Thread 212860908

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>>212860908 (OP)
>$10 million wasted on a statue in UK where it flopped
Money laundering

why do they keep lying about budgets?

>>212861079
>why do they keep lying about budgets?
They have to pretend they lost a lot of money so they can plausibly deny having kept all the money.

>>212860908 (OP)
Cornsweat was paid 700k kek?

>>212861101
That’s not how math works, if they wanted to keep the money they would lie about their sales

>>212861148
Accounting cant fudge the sales number, but you can muddy up the production finances

>>212861125
Yes, imagine spending 0.002% of your budget on talent rofl.

They are going for a full rebuild. No need to get pattyson or gayvil and their 20million price tags when Gunn showed all you need is a talented director. The hungry new generation will replace the old gay legacy dc actors.

>>212861148
Nah. Hollywood has been doing this for decades. Inflating costs to make it seem like film didn't make money or even lost it. I remember WB reported they lost over a hundred million on one of the Harry Potter films. And, IIRC, Fox claimed they never made money of fucking Return of the Jedi.

so if the budget is 363 million, how much do they need to make to break even?

I call bullshit. There's no way this thing cost 10 million. It's just a regular-ass statue. That appears to be suspended in air with cables. At a 10 million price tag you'd expect it to levitate on its own.

>>212861125
that's pretty typical for a total noname. The MCU actors were paid like 250k or something for their first movies.

>>212861249
And yet they couldn't invest on a good script

>>212861344
>363Mil production budget
>200Mil promotion
>563mill
>1.1 Billion to break even

i know Corensweat was a literally who but its funny they couldnt at least throw him a million

>>212861079
It’s just fun posting bro

>>212860908 (OP)
Jeet cope thread. sneeder lost.

>>212860908 (OP)
>fantastic four first updates
So it was disneyshills all along huh, I mean both thunderbolts and F4 are getting ass raped by superchad so the jeetspam is understandable

>>212861444
lol no fucking way it needs a fucking billion

>>212861344
Break even is ballpark 2.5x budget, so $900 million

>>212861148
>That’s not how math works
We're talking about hollywood accounting, not math.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

>According to Lucasfilm, Return of the Jedi (1983) "has never gone into profit", despite having earned $475 million at the box office against a budget of $32.5 million.

>Winston Groom's price for the screenplay rights to his 1986 novel Forrest Gump included a 3% share of the profits; however, due to Hollywood accounting, the 1994 film's commercial success was converted into a net loss, and Groom received only $350,000 for the rights and an additional $250,000 from Paramount.

>According to screenwriter Ed Solomon, Sony claims Men in Black, a 1997 film he wrote, has never broken even, despite grossing nearly $600 million against a $90 million budget.

>The film Spider-Man (2002) made more than $800 million in revenue, but the producers claim that it did not make any profit as defined in Lee's contract, and Lee received nothing.

>A Warner Bros. receipt was leaked online in 2010, showing that the hugely successful movie Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007) ended up with a $167 million loss on paper after grossing nearly $1 billion.

Are you starting to see a pattern

>>212861351
yeah lol
probably 100k to make statue if its some fancy silicone one, lets say half a mil to owners of the building ( lets be generous ) and 100k for some company that usually sets up fancy satelite dishesh to set it up and take it down.

>>212861351
Economy is fake and gay when money is worthless and every corporation is just a glorified money laundering scheme

>>212861584
Nice conspiracy theories. You think the Jews don’t count exactly how many coffee cups are purchased throughout production? They know exactly how much money was made rofl.

Also if this is true, why do movies even report they are profitable at all?

>>212861584
Who was Lucasfilm trying to rip off?

>>212861402
Butthurt jew detected. Gunn supes is a champion for the weak

>>212861562
That is the calculation. I think it's around 2.25x the total budget with marketing it needs to make to break even after theater cuts.

>>212861584
How do they get away with this without shareholders sueing?

>>212861444
>>212861562
>>212861563
Pretty sure 363 includes the advertising budget, so roughly 725 to break even. Unless they pull the Man of Steel thing and say that, actually, it made 200 in product placement, so it only needs 525 to break even. Honestly, nothing would surprise me since WB can't let this fail.

>>212860908 (OP)
why is
>fantastic four: first steps updates
posting anything about superman?
why are you?

>>212861351
A lot of that money was probably for permits as well as insurance in case it came crashing down and killed someone.

>>212860908 (OP)
Stop making capeshit. Just let that shit die, please.

>>212861584
has anyone notified the president?
maybe doge?

>>212862036
superman is a music genre movie

>>212861972
>Pretty sure 363 includes the advertising budge

This means advertisement budget was roughly $363-225=138 mln which i hightly doubt because:
>it has the biggest promo campaign since like endgame
>$150mlns is a standart for blockbuster
>there was long time floating more believable $200mln figure previously
>movie is shaping up to be a flop so it makes sense for a studio to try and lower numbers they've spent

all in all i feel like $363 mln is the bulsshit too, and combined budget was 225+200=425 mln.

Anyway, movie is a certified flop.

>>212861351
Was it made during the strike

>>212861934
They are doing it for the shareholders anon.

>>212861972
It does. That's why they are talking about the supposed 10 million dollar advertisement with that statue.

>>212861351
80% was for making the UKfags allow it, retard
That's how shit works

>>212860908 (OP)
The $363 million budget is old news.

>>212861774
You're a retard. There's two books. The real one and the cooked up one.

You all are still living in the world of blockbuster movies as profit centers. They are not. They are ads for toy sales.

When the prequels came out, Lucas had already arranged $2 billion in toy franchising. The movies could have lost money, as loss leaders. As long as the net with toys is over the top (way over the top) all is good.

The movie just has to not suck so bad toy sales tank, then they owe givebacks to the toy companies.

Now, re-read this statement: "Jar jar is key!"

>>212861079
its just who he is.

>>212861351
are you implying that twitter posters clearly supporting Disney might not offer impartial reporting?

>>212862456
>They are not. They are ads for toy sales.
Same can be said for 99% of the blockbuster actors. They are not in it for the art or doing a project because the role seems interesting; instead, their entire persona is on- and off-camera, is to make money. Social media sponsorship deals that highlight fake interests and lifestyles just to lure followers in, online appearances on channels just to promote products and either a movie or their social media, and the list goes on and on. They really don't give a shit about a project, it's just a job to settle their a-list status, nothing more. They have no personality, no opinion and no spine, and whatever they say is just parroted from the sheet given to them by their manager and pr people.

>>212861972
The $200 million marketing budget is separate according to Penske media's Hollywood Reporter.
>That doesn’t include marketing costs, which sources said could be as much as $200 million.

>>212860985
How is that money laundering?

>>212860908 (OP)
Variety said the promo in the building cost 7 figures, so that retard clearly can't count

>>212861079
they are worried
>>212862629
based, fuck the faggot of james gunn

>>212862810
High 7 figures could be rounded to $10 million without being a lie.

>>212861351
>$10m to put a statue up for ONE DAY

>>212860908 (OP)
>source: Disneyjeet's curry crust asshole

>>212862750
So it cost 563 million to make? Over a billion just to break even? That's funny, but there's just no way.

>>212862887
>>212862755
Not exactly money laundering, but as someone who works in commercial making my gues sis that a) the permit for this shit was extremely high b) they probably had a dozen of corrections on the statue itself despite it hardly being visible c) all this was first done on paper, the idea that is, and then last minute they had to hire someone to actually make the statue and get it placed on top of the building d) safety regulations that come with high fees e) get a fucking drone or heli up there for the promo shots to prove "they did it" f) might include flying crew first class from the US to the UK, lunch, hotel- and party fees

>>212862973
Why not? Dr. Strange 2 cost $414.9 million and that was only the production budget. It didn't break even with the $955 box office.
Summer blockbusters are never cheap.

>>212862629
Jamie pull up Trumps visits to Epstein Island

>>212862973
you heard right anon, it cost over $800 million to make.

>>212861774
Kike is mad lol

>>212863130
It's not really the Gunn method that made GOTG successful, but even further than that, I wouldn't think WB would be that suicidal to put their entire brand on a 1 billion break even film.

>>212861476
Shut the fuck up reddit

>>212862413
>You're a retard. There's two books. The real one and the cooked up one.
Um that's illegal though?? Hello?? Chuddie??

>>212860985
Nope. The Indian running that account got that wrong.

> One rival studio executive estimated that the Shard gambit alone cost seven figures

So a guesstimate from a rival that could also be 1 million. Also conflated the movie and marketing budgets.

Now the Snyderbots will take that as the budet , add 50% marketing and say the movie needs to make a billion to break even.

>>212863218
Well, Warner Bros did exactly that and Zaslav needs a huge box office hit which would launch the DC Universe the MCU-style. Superman is their biggest IP right now while Reeves can't pull a finger out of his ass and start making next Batman.

>>212862755
Its not laundering, but all his buddies in the UK were paid with it. Conflict of internet is more accurate.

>>212861148
They can screw with budget numbers but they can't screw with things like actor salaries and ticket sales (Unless you are Disney buying tickets to Captain Marvel)

It's why Disney lowballed all of the salary offers for Reed Richards and everybody balked until Pedro Pascal actually bit. It's because you actually have to pay the money to the actor instead of just moving a bunch of numbers around on a balance sheet.

>>212861820
>Gunn supes is a champion for the weak
You don't even realize the joke you're making lmao

do accounting firms audit hollywood?

>It will hit a billy
>It will hit $500 million today
YOU ARE HERE
>It flopped but it has restored the brand.

>>212861125
He had fuck all the negotiate with as a no-name. They'd find a replacement vs. giving the 6'4 Superman-looking guy something like 2 mil.

>>212863531
Disney lowballed the actor salaries for F4 because they know there's no built-in audience for these movies.

>>212863895
>>It flopped but it has restored the brand.
That's true enough though. I am surprised at how bad the numbers have been though.

It's ok, they will sell more Krypto dog bowls to make up for the box office loss

>>212860908 (OP)
It doesn't need to make a profit, just restore the brand. Supergirl will be our true hit

>>212864013
Gunn made back-to-back commercial flops with Suicide Squad 2 and Superman, that's not how you restore the brand. When Supergirl flops too, schizos will find a way to blame Snyder again.

>>212861776
Darth Vader actor.

>>212862165
>if I make the numbers up then this objective success is actually a flop
Why are pajeets like this?

>>212864013
why were you surprised? do you have large amounts of in-depth knowledge about the popularity of Superman overseas? back up your rhetoric.

>>212861125
>David Corenswet: $750,000
>Rachel Brosnahan: $750,000
>Nicholas Hoult: $2 million
>All three actors are reportedly eligible for bonuses depending on Superman's box office performance.
Which they won't get.

>>212864369
Cause Superman is one of the most recognisable characters ever and with good reviews I expected more in all honesty. It's not even an American-centric perspective because I'm not even from the USA or North America period. Simply surprised me a lot.

>>212864228
TSS gets pinned on the coof, the Ayer movie damaging the brand, and the fact that the brand itself is nowhere near close to Superman.

>>212864609
Spider-Man No Way Home earned $1.9 billion despite the pandemic.

>>212864777
I went on about 'the brand' twice. Spider-Man and TSS are not the same, Spider-Man didn't have panned sequels, your 1.9 number is inaccurate, and the hype of Andrew and Tobey which was very much an open secret.

>>212861351
You need to understand how embezzling works. Sure it didn’t literally cost 10 million, but on paper it did.

>>212860908 (OP)
Actually it was a hundred quintillion dollars and the number will go up every day because I will it.

>>212864576
the way to box office today is memes, not making a good movie.
all the "underperformance" is explained by 1) older audiences thinking they've already seen Superman and don't need to do so again; and 2) younger audiences (especially in asia) not caring about the character at all when the last good movie was in 1980.

China was also probably never going to let the movie get any traction when its an inherently American IP.

>>212862165
Holy cope...

>>212861562
It doesn't. The 363 million includes marketing. It was already reported that marketing was less than 200 million. Snyderjeets are massively coping.

Nice so it already made it back

>>212864305
>objective success
$310 mln so far on $225 mln budget so far isn't a success
To break even it needs 450, if to include massive marketing budget then it's about 700.
That's to break even.
To be considered a success it needs to do more than that. And it won't.
It will most likely stop at 500.

>>212861125
He probably has a piece of the receipts.

>>212865343
It's already expected to make 700 million. It has great record breaking domestic legs and European numbers are starting to improve as well. 500 million domestic and 300 million overseas is the absolute minimum. It will make well over 400 million by sunday. Fantastic four is expected to flop opening weekend and initial reviews are reportedly very mixed as a result it will have weak legs. It's another dud from marvel/disney.

>>212865853
700 million is a dream. 600 tops

>>212865201
ummm aktchewally you forgot all the advertising budget so really they need to make 1000 trillion bazillion to break even.

Let's compromise: whatever the figure to break even is, it's unlikely to reach it

>>212860908 (OP)
>wasting the equivalent of all the main actors' salaries put together in a prop that could easily have been cgi
That can't be true.

>>212866090
no shit, it's clearly a failure, so instead, we've started arguing over how bad it will flop and taking bets

>>212861351
you underestimate the corruption and redtape of bongland

>>212862755

Closer to embezzlement but not quite - we need a new word for it.
Basically they want to lose money to reduce tax burden and probably to get tax credits. The methods are similar to government contracts where they want to spend as much as possible because who cares we are just moving money from the taxpaypigs to our buddies and donors. Except in this case they are moving the studio's tax burden over to the film company and their vendors (which are all owned by the producers anyway). This way the actual production executives can be paid reasonably low salaries thus also incurring low income tax, but most of their gains will come from their fake little LLC's that bill the studio 10x what they actually supply to the production, and THEN they can bill all their trips and personal expenses to those companies as business expenses so that the companies make no profit and no taxes get paid.

Either that or Hollywood is sincerely FUCKING retarded.

>>212861079
it allows them to jew taxes

>>212865932
I just want to see normalfags reactions when Superman makes less than MoS

I fucking knew it. Gunn kept using pointed language like comparing the flying scenes to Top Gunn Maverick and other billion dollar films because he needed it to make a billion. and now its flopping.It deserves to flop Gunn is a dumb ass for doing that.

>>212860908 (OP)

90% of the fucking movie is AI slop lol

>>212867060
and somehow it cost more? what the fuck

>>212860908 (OP)
wow I bet "Fantastic Four First Steps" is a real source of real info

>>212861351
>if you give them the statue they'll let you put it up there for as long as you want for free
I sometimes forget that the average iq on this board is sub-80

>>212866360
Or....the numbers are wrong and reported by bad faith actors

>>212862871
>could

>>212860908 (OP)
>363 MILLION BUDGET

Im amazed at how bad this movie looks for that price.

>>212866360
For decades it was called Hollywood Accounting

>>212861659
>lets say half a mil to owners of the building ( lets be generous )
You think that's generous? A prominent statue on display of one of the most famous superheroes in existence on the tallest building in the uk? You think 500k would be generous?
You're a fucking moron

>>212861351
This: >>212861998
I've had to work on projects in urban bongland and it costs $5M just to put up a billboard. Six gorillion different offices and programs have to get paid before anyone signs shit.

>>212863182
>Talking about Superman budget and the weird director comments about other movies
>BUT WHAT ABOUT DRUMPF?!
Holy fuck, do you faggots ever just TURN OFF for five minutes? go back to /pol/

>>212860908 (OP)
>>212860985
What is this statue? They made a statue to advertise this for $10m? Wtf?

>>212867317
It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome for a reason, anon.