Thread 212861585

this fucking sucks

>>212861585 (OP)
You got filtered by goofball kino

kill yourself.
>saged
>reported

How do you get filtered by the big sleep lol

>>212861585 (OP)
It’s alright but it’s not as good as the title. Lots of noir movies had cool titles and a b-tier plot.

I was drinking heavily at the time I watched this but it was still confusing to follow. Don't think it sucked though.

>>212861585 (OP)
I never likes it until I saw the original cut which was closer to the book and less Bacall. Bacall’s career was flopping so WB panicked and added reshoot scenes of her singing and basically acting like her breakout character in To Have and Have Not

>>212862550
That’s a Hawks thing as much as anything. He would rewrite on a whim to build up characters he liked and downplay actors he didn’t. On Red River a couple of years later he revised and threw out scenes while he was shooting so that a seemingly important character nearly vanishes from the film and the ending is based on something he wanted to use for “the Outlaw.” I wouldn’t be surprised if he agreed with the studio on the need for more Bacall and less of the plot making sense.

Arguably one of the things about Hawks that influenced New Wave and New Hollywood filmmakers is he made Hollywood genre films but didn’t really care about the plot or even the expectations of the genre, he’d just put in whatever he thought was a good scene.

Big Sleep adds so much comedy to the book that at times it’s almost like a film noir spoof before anyone even made up the term film noir.

>>212861585 (OP)
It's one of the best movies ever made, faggot OP

>>212863092
Other Hawks "writing by the seat of your pants" moments include that most of the scene with Dorothy Malone and Bogie in the bookstore was shorter in the original script and Hawks decided to make it a scene where they flirt and have sex (offscreen, of course) mostly because he thought Malone was hot.

>>212861585 (OP)
No it doesn't, but as usual, it would have been better if they had stuck to the book.

They did stick fairly closely to the book to begin with but they had to play up the "Bogart-Bacall" thing which meant a stupid happy ending where Eddie Mars gets killed (in the stupidest way possible) and the two get together. And they had to goof up the book's sombre tone.

Also Carmen is just not right at all. She should be more like, say, Juliette Lewis in "insane nympho" mode. They make her way too normal.

>>212864617
Carmen was also more naked in the book.

Im not a big fan of this movie either. Its well made and entertaining but I cant help but compare it to the book. The movie completely misses the point because of the censorship at the time as well as the fact that there had to be some kind of justice. I have never really been happy with any adaption of the Marlowe novels although I do prefer Murder My Sweet to Big Sleep. The Long Goodbye adaption makes me angry.

>>212864107
Perhaps the most attractive one-off character in the history of films.

This movie is extremely underrated

>>212861585 (OP)
It's about the characters, not the plot, which is basically incomprehensible. Even the filmmakers didn't really understand the story.

>>212864107
What a cutie

>>212866972
Yeah she's absolutely gorgeous. The eternal template of the hot "bookworm" girl.

>>212861585 (OP)
The Big Lebowski is unironically the better version of this movie

>>212863092
>Big Sleep adds so much comedy to the book that at times it’s almost like a film noir spoof before anyone even made up the term film noir.
Agreed. I also agree with Eddie Muller that the 1946 release is not really a noir at all - Spade is never in any real danger (even at the end - Bacall's character isn't present for that in the novel so it really isn't clear Spade will make it out). Still fun as hell to watch. I wanted a follow up film for Agnes' character. She was a hoot.

>>212862226
Lots are plotfags are filtered by the big sleep.

>>212861585 (OP)
Check out It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, World.
I enjoyed it.
Also the 1920s Safety First.

>>212864107
Also worth noting...
> possible the original use of the "pony tail and glasses makes you less attractive, removing them makes you suddenly pretty" meme that was over-used in the following decades

>>212861585 (OP)
We had it all
Just like Bogie and Bacall
Starring in our own late, late show
Sailing away to Key Largo
Here's lookin' at you, kid
Missing all the things we did
We can find it once again, I know (Ooh, ooh)
Just like they did in Key Largo (Ooh-ooh-ooh, ooh)

>>212861585 (OP)
Filtered

Is it because you're short

>>212863092
>it’s almost like a film noir spoof before anyone even made up the term film noir.

They were just called crime movies. Old and established genre. Government nerfed mafia movies of the 30's, so they evolved into milder detective flicks.