Thread 212861601

Holy shit superman is really flopping that badly

Muh alternate timeline kino

Bro, like all the movies connect in the metaverse

Like whooa

who would he be?

>>212861697
Henry as The Eradicator would be fucking kino.

>>212861601 (OP)
Fake and gay. Ban India

>>212861697
>>212861601 (OP)
Bizarro just to rub it in

>>212861697
Batman

>>212861758
it wouldve been funny if he was Ultraman but wouldnt have made sense

>>212861668
Everything is connected
Everything is canon

Or cast him as Apollo and Ben Affleck as Midnighter

>>212861601 (OP)
GOOD MORNING SAAR HAVE YOU BEEN REDEEMING THE HENRY CAVILL?

>>212861697
apollo and affleck as midnighter

Make him Darkseid

>>212861697
Superman duh.

>>212861732
Not my eradicator

Holy shit Superman is doing that bad overseas kek. David Cornjew is NOT well liked

You just know they already have Snyder on the phone

>>212861697
Darkseid's son Orion

classic journalism trap
>ask gunn if he'd cast cavil
>says sure
>reporter "gunn, completely unprompted, BEGGED for cavil to star in a movie"
rangeban india from the planet
indians will literally be the end of the human race

>>212861697
Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne have always looked alike in a lot of artist renditions.

Cavill is as suited to play Batman as he is to play Superman and it would be quite an interesting twist.

>>212861601 (OP)
>another multiverse slop

>>212861697
Zod

>>212861697
Justice Lord Superman
https://dcau.fandom.com/wiki/A_Better_World

>>212861601 (OP)
Ultraman from Earth 3

Yeah he’s pissed Reeves won’t merge

>>212861697
Who's physically bigger than superman?

>>212861668
Metaverse means all jokers got gang raped in the butt.

>>212863927
Total bullshit. Gunn is only reason Reeves hasn’t been replaced. WB not happy at ridiculous delays in getting a script done. Gunn said he would suck at handling Batman and doesn’t want. a campy Batman. He’d rather defer Batman to Reeves so can do his wacky side characters he loves so much

>>212861732
>Henry as The Eradicator would be fucking kino.
qrd?

>>212861601 (OP)
Holy grim

>>212861697
The Wooden Cardboard

>>212861758
>>212861855
I think it would've made sense, as it was an imperfect clone. Goes into the black hole, appears in an alien world, instant Bizarro Superman adventure.

>>212861697
Pull a batman and I will personally go to Hollywood and apologize to all the jewish overlords I've offended,

>>212863927
Reeves is 100% gonna have to suck the Gunn.

>>212865436
Reeves has more power than Gunn ironically

>>212861697
Zod, or Batman

>>212864455
>>212863927
Reeves also has serious problems with pacing movies and structuring stories, which Gunn does not. while its not all bad, his The Batman is significantly less well-written than Superman 2025, and almost an hour longer.

>>212861976
good post lol
majestic or apollo is about the limit of cavil's ability

>>212861697
evil superman

>>212861697

snyderverse superman if they are smart. they need to do an infinite crisis

>>212861697
Cavil unironically could be a decent older Batman, wouldn't require much range

>>212865671
Problem i’ve heard is Reeves literally makes the script up as he goes. Pattinson and Kravitz have said this. And I guarantee the long hold up for the script was the WB wasn’t going to let him “wing it” and wanted a full working script before approving the budget

>>212863324
they did this to him about the immigrant shit too lmao, the guy asked him
>SO IS SUPERMAN AN IMMIGRANT STORY?
and Gunn was like
>Yeah, he's an immigrant, but it's also a story about human kindness an--

and then they just ran with "SUPERWOKE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT"

>>212861601 (OP)
James offered all the actors new jobs in the GUNN DCU
Jason took the job as Lobo (which who he wanted to play in the first place)
I like Henry but anything besides Superman is a step down.

>>212863022
BASED OVER SEAS MARKET SPAMMER!!!!! NEVER GIVE UP, SAAR

>>212865671
The movie would have gained a point if the Riddler wasn't fucking shitty - like it's such a tryhard attempt at a schizo psycho. They should have actually really channeled Kevin Spacy from Seven during the interrogation scene, which was a make or break scene for that movie a similar way to how the car scene from Seven was

>>212866865
Henry has to take what he can get, obviously it has to be big but he's not exactly a big star and his superman was divisive to be as nice as possible

>>212866906
The guy they got for Joker would've been better as Riddler, looked more the type.

>>212866982
>his superman was divisive to be as nice as possible
B-but snyder fans told me he was universally beloved by the moviegoing audience

>>212861601 (OP)
Jason "the Demon" Blood

>>212861601 (OP)
Cavil got fucked, had he the script in Superman 2025, or had Snyder had let him speak for more than 2 lines at a time he maybe could've been a good Superman or at least likable. Mamoa is happy with Lobo so maybe Cavil can find someone else he'd be interested in playing, or maybe just have him play his Superman in a crisis of worlds multiverse slop again

>>212861697
literally any one of the millions of beefcakes in DC

>>212861697
>who would he be?
DCEU Superman. Use the Rebirth comic and kill off Corenswet Superman.

>>212867035
People quite rightfully shit on Josstice League but it was valuable in at least showing Cavill, whatever his flaws may be, was capable of actually behaving like Superman - amiable, approachable, cheerful bro that people actually like. It was still funny as fuck seeing that movie pretend he was ALWAYS like that in the prior movies rather than a cold, distant, brooding overly laconic twat, and dumb shit like
>Well I know you didnt bring me back cause you like me
>I don't.... not
I got a ironic kick out of how hard they made Batman, the guy trying to kill him in the last movie, be a total fangirl spilling spaghetti

>>212867028
i mean i like man of steel but the worse part of that film is snyder's interpretation and intentional dehumanization of Superman, he's so distant from humanity, i get the whole "i never felt like i belonged" angle for Superman but it's so dull and uninspiring to see him be constantly conflicted on whether or not we deserve to be saved. Some people like god Superman, i cannot stand god Superman, Superman isn't Jesus, Jesus is Jesus, Superman is Superman

>>212867111
>People quite rightfully shit on Josstice League but it was valuable in at least showing Cavill
correct take, whedon sucks but he was right in trying to humanize Cavil, but the writing and distracting mustache ended up being worse for the character

>>212866775

also if gunn really wanted to give cavell's supes a proper send off he should also try to introduce superboy prime at some point to the buildup of infinite crisis as. he would be the perfect antagonist to represent MCU and comic book movie viewers in general that start a lot of flame wars within all these comic book movies and reboots. they could have Gunn's universe and Snyder's universe characters try to stop the guy

>>212861601 (OP)
He should play Superman and Gunn redeems him in some way, similiar to how Andrew Garfield's Spiderman was redeemed

>>212861697
Batman

>>212867111
I seriously can never understand the adoration for Superman the character in the Snyerverse from Snyder fans. I simply cannot and they become aggressive assholes the second your dislike is linked the inseparable context of the character being a cultural icon for decades with very well understood and accepted traits. Even if they wanted a darker version of the story, Superman, the character at the centre of it all, should have still been Superman and how he responds to stuff like a world highly ambivalent (at best) towards to him

Give Cavill his MoS 2. End of. Give him the movie with McQ (from MI) that WB execs wouldn't greenlight. Just a one-off Elseworlds movie. If Gunn is truthful (which he isn't) about giving everybody a shot and making sure DCU/Elseworlds get equal treatment, he'd do this. But he knows he'd pretty much embarrass Corenswet by doing it and ruin his own DCU even though this hypothetical movie would be Cavill's own Superman and nothing to do with Snyder. But alas, it'll never happen.

>>212867255
The Superman in MoS and BvS are not the same character in any way, shape or form.

>>212867263
Yes. Cavill could’ve easily gotten an Elseworlds movie but Gunn doesn’t want the competition.

>>212867143
>he's so distant from humanity, i get the whole "i never felt like i belonged" angle for Superman

thats the worst part of Snyder's superman, Clark is more human than kryptonian, Earth is his home, humanity is his people, it's why he does what he does

>>212867263
>Give Cavill his MoS 2. End of. Give him the movie with McQ (from MI) that WB execs wouldn't greenlight. Just a one-off Elseworlds movie.
This.

>>212867111
Whedon was on the verge of running DC back 2009. He was going to direct Wonder Woman with Morena Baccarin as WW but it got stuck in developmental hell. So WB just hitched their wagons to Nolan to handle a Superman movie

reminder Cavil fans are just "closetted" homosexuals

>>212861601 (OP)
>source
>some retard on twitter

>>212867360
Truth. He can’t act.

>>212867296
I recall him being even moodier and too laconic in BvS and having 90's edge - MoS they did try at times with giving him levity but the filmmakers unintentionally made him look like a sociopath because they wanted spectacle without fully considering the consequences, i.e. Smallville is Clark's fault but no guilt/remorse, he has a total nonreaction to see the aftermath of Metropolis and when confronted with the architect of this mass murder, Zod, he isn't angry and barely containing himself in attempt to reason, he is giving him the strangest puppy dog eyes look. So jarring

>>212867363
This DCfag is seething! DC is dead. Bury it.

>>212867404
The disconnect between the action scenes and the story is well documented but the character was definitely far more human and realistic in MoS. He wasn't a fucking caricature of kindness and empathy by some deranged turncoat LARPing pedophile like James Gunn who's entire being not barely 20 years ago was being a miserable, mocking spiteful human being. We all know the tweets. Human doesn't mean being a doormat and a wish-fullfilment center for others.

>>212863022
No one gives a fuck about Bangerstan box office anon

>>212867363
Here's the whole interview. Idiot.
https://youtu.be/oJogzyy5d74?si=0ZCr3xqx2egJC9h7&t=948

>killing Zod in MoS was very fucking controversial and in film treated like a traumatic thing to do for Superman
>first thing he does in BvS is tackle an African guy through multiple concrete walls
So fucking strange, like WHAT THE FUCK did they expect the audience to think when he did that? Anybody should have been able to realise they'd think that Superman killed a regular human casually

OP was paid ten cents for his cope post

BvS is my favorite cbm of all time and yet I harshly disagree with Snyder’s direction post Justice League. IMO BvS should be the darkest part of part of Superman’s life. Post resurrection Superman should have a big character change. Taking up the leadership mantle and a strict confidence that wasn’t there before as part of his second chance at life. This is why more or less I could get behind killing him off at the start. But looking at Zack’s plan it seemed to be very Batman oriented with Superman still being a mopey introvert in the background despite the godlike symbolism trying to suggest otherwise. That being said I would still easily take the Snyderverse over the Hamadaverse we got.

>>212867544
In the bathtub scene right after he said he didn’t kill them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>212861697
jonkler

>>212867614
i was hoping the snydercut would be and entirely different film, instead it was just a better version of what we got, Superman did not change really at all

>>212867655
Lol. It's fucking insane to me that in that movie they gave us a scene where obviously most people's first impression of Superman is him giving a wry smirk before killing a man. 'Oh golly I guess he didn't kill' doesn't really undo the sour taste that initially leaves and still makes him look cavalier as fuck about life because I am fairly sure tackling a man through multiple walls of concrete at superspeed is playing fast and loose with his ability to continue existing

Gunn is an idiot, trying to have it both ways. He wants to uphold DC's reputation as the company that actually makes respectable movies but is a manchild moron who wants to do his little childish fictional universe crap on top of that. Him flip-flopping and fucking people over like Flanagan and Guadagnino will sever his industry clout and he'll be usurped as DCU head not too long from now. Superman gave him some borrowed time but Supergirl will flop (if Superman can barely break even, it's over for the rest).

>>212867533
I'm always taken aback at Gunn's voice

>>212861697
Batman
then bring Affleck as The Joker

>>212863634
Just do the Crime Syndicate at that point

>>212861697
>Cavill az Zod
kino inbound

>>212867803
>but Supergirl will flop

>>212867533
Gunn is 57 years old. He might not want to accept it but he is. How will he run a franchise that's supposed to be a decades-long thing? They really didn't think this through at all. Not like the DCU will survive the 2020's anyway.

>>212867803
>Supergirl will flop
i really don't think so, people seem more hyped for that than seeing clark

>>212867943
>people
AGP-riddled schizophrenic porn addicts on fringe forums don't count as people.

Telling he’s coming back as The Eradicator

>>212867762
Superhero movies don’t really care about your sense of disbelief especially the new one

>>212867812
Why?

>>212867205
Superboy Prime actually kills off Earth-2 Superman (who is an older, more experienced Superman) in IC, would be hilarious is he gets a send-off like this.

>>212868002
I did frame this all within the context of how baffling it was of the filmmakers to do given that this Superman is controversial for having killed Zod. It's sheer bafflement at what the hell they were thinking

>>212868062
>read up a bit on this character
>it's all meta commentary stuff
Errgggh. I usually really do not like meta stuff

>>212867263
If he gets a second movie he's gonna run out of necks to snap

>>212868184
Prime does get a really nice send off and redemption.
It happened like 20 years later, but it was nice

>>212867803
depends of it they try to give Supergirl an insane budget or not, but since it will probably be a space adventure they probably will

>>212861601 (OP)
awkward. would be funny if Cavill got to play bizarro Superman lmao

>>212867205
Who's a good DCU villain that isn't Darkseid? Or is Darkseid basically someone you can't top?

>>212868273
Don't see how they can make a Supergirl movie in space without a 300 million budget. It'll probably be released, flop, Zazlav will punish Gunn for failing so soon after he lauded this new DCU publicly and things will just unravel from there. Just like Snyder. Time is a flat circle.

>>212868298
Darkseid's true form is the basis of all existence. He is an unjobbable villain and the ultimate evil in all of comic books, let alone DC. They will never touch him because of Snyder poisoning the well and because of the purple ripoff from Marvel.

>>212861697
are there any mute characters who can literally stand there looking muscular but not require any real acting or line reading? bonus points if they're bald I guess

>>212861697
Specter

Since 2007
>Actors playing Tony Stark: 1
>Actors playing Thor: 1
>Actors playing Captain America: 1
>Actors playing Clint "Dickless" Barton: 1
>Actors playing Black Widow: 1
>Actors playing Hulk: 2 (!)

>Actors playing Superman: 2
>Actors playing Batman: 3 (not including multiverse variants)
>Actors playing The Flash: 2
>Actors playing Wonder Woman: 1 (but soon to be 2).
Of course people are never going to get invested in a '''''cinematic universe''''' that keeps being half-assed and re-re-rebooted, and never reaching any sort of overall conclusion or story arc for any of the fucking characters. The bean counters were so worried about their shekels that they refused to commit to a long-term underlying story arc which led to every movie being an entirely self-contained plot which failed to properly foster a sense of intrigue.

MCU is slop but at least all the major characters had clear progression and story arcs across many movies that actually reached conclusions, with the underlying Thanos/Infinity Stones plot being foreshadowed years in advance.
That's why the MCU tailed off since Endgame. People were encouraged to keep watching every movie because they were all linked with a background plot that was slowly advancing towards a constantly teased zenith. Once they spaffed the load at least half the audience lost interest. But DC never fostered that interest in the first place.

>>212868357
This DCU won't last to 2028, let alone the next decade. One flop is all it takes for it to unravel and for Zazlav to disband DC Studios and just go back to making Batman movies forever and ever with the occasional Elseworlds movie like Constantine or Watchmen. That's where this experiment is headed. It's a last gasp attempt at reviving the cinematic universe gimmick from the 2010's.

>>212861601 (OP)
in the interview he said he brought it up to Cavill as early as the meeting they had when he told them he was being replaced. Which was especially awkward since that was after The Rock and a producer put him in Black Adam despite having no intention of having him continue

>>212861601 (OP)
He's not coming back to a verse that's even more divisive and less successful than the one he was fired from

>>212868328
Huh. I struggle to get a pulse on what the hell he is, cause I've seen descriptions of him similar to yours and then othertimes he's basically an alien warlord that wants anti-life to control all free will for whatever reason. I am pretty sure most casuals like myself like the idea/iconography of Darkseid more than anything else. Like I really fucking doubt most people who got hyped for him in Snyder Cut actually read Final Crisis, Kirby, nu-52 stuff, etc

>>212868403
>Which was especially awkward since that was after The Rock and a producer put him in Black Adam despite having no intention of having him continue
This was a coup attempt no? Put the suits into a dillemma if that movie made over a billion to rave reviews. Of course that was a fucking delusion though lol

>>212868534
>be cavill
>get fired
>in alternative universe see DCEU baffling have Black fucking Adam be its centre and get beaten and humiliated by him on screen constantly because of Johnson's ego

>>212868437
Watch this video to understand why Darkseid is the best creation in all of the comics medium:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcJ8QmogoXY

>>212861697
They want him as a Zod.
Just in case, picrel is a typical bot with partially botted likes.
Those bots are operated by the lobbying corporations.
If there is the tweet with 270k+ likes, it means corporation (WB in this case) is forcing it to see the reaction from the Internet.
It seems very positive.
So buckle up, we may see kino villain.

>>212861697
Brainiac.

>>212868399
We'll be on our ninth Alfred by 2030

>>212868357
>>Actors playing Captain America: 1
U wot m8.

>>212868775
Hopefully not, they should use other villains.

>>212868357
This version of DCEU will be rebooted too when Superman flops.

>>212861697
actual All Star Superman where they do the 12 Labors and he gets a Logan style send-off

Cavill will never, ever, not in the million years work with DC again after the humiliation and heart ache he suffered back in 2023.

Iron Man 2 came out two years after 1. Gunn hasn’t even announced a Superman sequel let alone finished a script. After Supergirl there’s nothing at the moment. The next thing won’t be until 2028 the earliest. The DCU is fucked.

>>212861697
General Zod of course.

>>212868875
Unless of course he got to reprise Superman again. But he’s definitely not going to take any handmedown DCU role.

>>212868861
I was thinking the exact thing

>>212868829
Presumably means Steve Rogers.

>>212868875
>Cavill will never, ever, not in the million years work...again
got rid of some unnecessary words in your statement familia

>>212868887
Isn’t pic rel actual Justice League concept art

>>212868861
What a beautiful, powerful and perfect idea. Will never happen because Gunn is a talentless, spiteful, psychopathic pedophilic manchild.
>>212868906
Nope, not even if he was handed MoS 2 or his own reboot on the side. Henry clearly wants to let bygones and bygones and move on with his life.

>>212868946
No, it was a fan art piece made by a great DC artist called Datrinti who then trooned out and nobody cares to remember he exists.

>>212868861
Gunn is obviously saving All-Star for Corenswet’s send off. Cavill is better suited for Kingdom Come with some adjustment. Since for one he already has a JL established, and becoming a farmer is a good callback to that one car scene in MoS.

>>212863469
Peacemaker season 2 is all but confirmed to feature multiverse shenanigans
>>212865671
>gunn doesn't have problems with pacing movies and structuring stories
lol, lmao even

>>212869117
That makes me wonder why WB is so blase about this movie flopping. Do they think that if audiences just accept Corenswet Supes that they'll make a gorillion in the send-off movie so it's all ok?

>>212869117
That would be terrible. The entire reason Kingdom Come Supes initially retires is because he disagrees with Magog killing The Joker. Cavill's Superman has never shown that level of morality.

>>212867096
All jokes aside, I'm fairly convinced man of steel 2 would have done better at the box office than this movie

>>212869639
DC/WB are in the late-stages of sunk cost fallacy which is the maximum phase of self-delusion before they either cut their losses or crash and burn. The movie is not a success cause they are not profiting anything other than a few million dollars. Zazlav wants badly to delude himself into thinking these numbers justify the DCU and will go on deluding himself until WB/DC get a big bomb (Supergirl) that finally makes it clear to them they should cut their losses. Add to that Batman II outperforming both these DCU movies in 2027.

>>212861601 (OP)
I want to make sex to his fine aryan nose.

>>212869710
This movie is doing...fine but it would've done actually good if people knew who the fuck David Corenswet was and if Cavill wasn't Superman as recently as 2023. Too little time passed. A MoS 2 by McQ or Matthew Vaughn and ignoring anything past MoS 1 would've done a billion. Easy.

>>212869117
Kingdom Come should be the endgame for Cornswet's Superman. Apart from Superman the DCEU as a whole conflicts way too much with KC's story.

>>212867890
Good morning sir!

>>212869761
Yeah the speed at which they keep recasting at DC is ridiculous. I know it's not their target demo but I can only imagine how confusing it is for older people who only have a passing interest.
>wait isn't Christian Bale Batman? Now it's Ben Affleck? Is it a sequel to the Bane movie?
>now it's the kid from those Twilight films?
>That's Superman? What happened to Henry Cavill?
lol
But when you leave it for ten years, like from Clooney to Bale, everyone knows it's a new narrative.

>>212868993
>who then trooned out
what waiting for the snyder cut dose to mfs

>>212869117
I think Cavill would be a better All Star fit because he has that sort of gravitas and sincerity needed for the roll. Would fit well with the Supes in MoS.

>>212869639
The movie is not flopping thoughever

>>212870251
Are you the thoughbeit anon or yet another annoying faggot with a speech deficiency?

>>212861697
Zod.

OH NO NO NO
>https://article.wn.com/view/2025/07/18/Fantastic_Four_Box_Office_Projections_Are_Lower_Than_Superma/

>>212861601 (OP)
>Snydercucks call this a win

>>212861697
zod

>>212870056
Not a capefag but I don't care, I just see it as eg a James Bond thing

>>212868775
cavil does have the hairline for Zod

I love how /tv/ loves to make bump limit-reaching threads which are just
>reporter asks X if they would be willing to cast Y,
>X of course says a non-commital "sure yeah"
>reporter goes "Y IS ABOUT TO BE CAST?" or "RUMOUR SAYS Y IS GOING TO BE CAST!!!"
It's the same shit as Idris Elba Bond or Hunter Schafer Zelda.

>>212861601 (OP)
lol, so they assume the snyderverse fans will accept it as some sort of concolation prize and support Gunn's DCU just for a lame cameo without Cavill returning as Superman?

>>212871066
>cavil does have the hairline for Zod

>>212871202
less of a consolation prize, more of a bone or a pity prize

>>212861697
adult Brightburn

>>212861697
Black Adam

I saw the interview, and his words are not that he offered a role now, but way back when Johnson (the Rock) made his stunt with Black Adam, and they had to sit down with him about what was next for the DCU.
Basically, Johnson was the one that screwed up with Cavil. And this whole "be willing" is just pure words, basically Gunn is ok with it, but nothing yet.

>>212861697
Batman.

>>212861697
Zod would be the most kino answer

>>212861697
batman.

>>212871924
Doesn't fit him at all

>>212871924
Still wont watch

>>212861697
Money.

>>212861601 (OP)
Can't be, he's the next Wolverine or Bond

>>212861601 (OP)
Gunn is the same man who promised Gadot a WW3.Just because someone says “they’d like to” do something, that doesn’t mean it’s already decided that it’s going to happen.

>>212861697
It could be badass if they made alternates for every character be the old actors. Except for Ezra Miller he died in the speed force sadly. Aquaman is now blonde but his alternate villain is LOBO, Wonder Woman is now Asian to help box office overseas but Gal Gadot is now Circe the villainess from WW Comics. Not sure if Batman needs one.

>>212872679
>is now Circe the villainess from WW Comics
Circe was the main antagonist of Creature Commandos

>>212872679
Circe was already cast

>>212871924
Is Kingdom Come worth reading?

>>212872679
Why would Gunn work with Gal Gadot of all people when he lied to her already? He clearly doesn’t care for her.

>>212873013
It's like an unofficial ending to the genre as a whole. I have a suspicion that Gunn's endgame is to adapt that.

>>212873013
worth it for the art alone, but the story is pretty neat too

>>212873344
Spectre kino when?

>>212873387
When they adapt KC which again seems to be something that could be in the pipeline. Either that or a "Superman vs The Elite" type story.

>>212861601 (OP)
>capeslop
grow up

>>212861697
anything other than zod would be a miscast

>>212861601 (OP)
>DC COMES CRAWLING BACK TO HENRY CAVILL, BEGS HIM TO RETURN LMAO

>>212861697
Still the Snyder Superman. Just have his Earth be defeated by Darkseid, so we have the new Superman getting caught on another Earth and trying to inspire Cavill to rise again.

>>212867932
The previous president was in his 80s and the current one is nearly 80. Running a country is more tasking than running a movie studio.

>>212861601 (OP)
But the new movie hasn't even been out for two weeks...

>>212861668
>Luthorcorp

>Not Lexicorp


Yeah Gunn's movie was kinda trash but I have a sneaky feeling he's setting it up as an alternate universe that will be wiped during some big Crisis event. Too bad this slop isn't worth speculating about such things.

>>212873584
Disney shills, anon

>>212861697
Idris Elba

>>212873158
Meanwhile Gunn used the GotG3 crew to film Ezra’s Peacemaker cameo, something that had never been done before prior to that (DC and Marvel swapping film crews/cast).