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>>212862294 (OP)
SDTV was a simpler time.

>>212862294 (OP)
SNW season 3 really started off with a dogshit Part 2 huh. All interest I had in watching it as it releases is gone. Gonna just wait for the season to finish airing and bingeslop it.

weyoun best boy

>>212862294 (OP)
so about how many bots are talking at each other in here?

>>212862294 (OP)
>roll with the chair while giving a report
>"Captain, there is a massive en-ACK"
Clearly, exploding consoles and a lack of saftey belts isn't enough.

>>212862294 (OP)
>>212862739
The ones by the back tier of consoles are fine -- there's a rail. But the helm is absolutely insane, any slight shift and you're just falling.

>>212862528
Honestly, what did you expect?

Based Scotty cameo, watching this Loaded Weapon movie after that Naked Gun thread earlier.

>>212862830
Okay, fantastic, so not only will I be thrown off my chair, thanks to a lack of safety belts, oh no - I will be thrown through the bridge, slam into the rail or another console, and the damn chair will just break my back, because it wasn't bolted to the fucking floor as it is supposed to be.

>>212863009
...Inertial dampeners or some shit, probably! Whatever, man! It's all tech magic anyway.

>>212862830
A guy dies in the back.

>>212863009
And then the control panel next to you explodes showering you burning hot plasma and glass shrapnel.

>>212863079
How in hundreds of years have they not solved the exploding consoles kill the crew problem?
Yet every week the enterprise is trapped by a new insurmountable situation they immediately think their way out of.

what's this about >>212847074

>>212863171
Mankind forgot the art of boiling water to turn wheels to make things go. They're all doing this fusion power shit now.

>>212863329
They apparently forgot what fuses are too and every console needs 200 million volts of fusion generated electricity flowing through it.

>>212863171
>why haven't submarines figured out how to keep from depressurizing?
I'm guessing there has to be a ton of power running through those consoles to link them directly to the massive amounts of energy powering a ship's systems. You don't want input delay on a starship, or any sort of wireless fuckery, so it makes sense to have something powered by warp energy to be hard-wired.

Of course they're going to explode when you're being battered with energy weapons that overload your systems. Or something.

>>212862294 (OP)
>Shatner: George, you're not going to be with us for the final film. You want me to put in a word for you with Gene?
>Takei: I get to captain my own starship :3
>Shatner, recounting the event: I didn't have the heart to tell him it wasn't real

this actually happened btw

>>212863483
So they don't know what relays are I guess either and every console needs to be switching warp core level power directly for some reason?

>>212863552
Correct

>212863552
>every console needs to be switching warp core level power directly for some reason?
Yes. Make it so.

>>212862931
They were clearly trying to do their own Best of Both Worlds but holy shit it was so fucking lame
>Gorn are hyper-advanced technological spacefaring society
>but actually beneath all that they have the intelligence of locusts, easily lulled to sleep by certain wavelengths of solar light
It's so insultingly stupid it boggles the mind.

>>212863585
I realize these are also people who turn someone into a transporter hybrid every other week and still keep doing it, but could they at least not have giant flaming pipes just to explode out of the walls and crush you under your console ?

>>212863585
>SAUFEN JUNGE

>>212863713
The same people also de-evole the entire crew of the flagship of Starfleet, with the exception of the android and her captain with gene editing magic. And no, they're never going to think about how dangerous the EPS-grid actually is.
>>212863718
>Schwarzer Kaffee, Junge.

>>212862993

Shatner makes for a great comedy villain too.

>>212862537
>I order you a star trek book from schoolastic!
If you bedazzled a betazed and wrote about if you could fuck with the dyslexic

In Star Trek the meaning of life is to have an exciting job. Your job isn’t boring is it?

>>212864042
Exciting isn't correct but fulfilling is. And my job is fulfilling, yeah.

>>212862294 (OP)
What's the role of the guy watching the schematics? To make sure something doesn't blink red?

>>212863676
>Gorn are hyper-advanced technological spacefaring society
>but actually beneath all that they have the intelligence of locusts, easily lulled to sleep by certain wavelengths of solar light
Muslims are warlike except when they go dormant during one lunar month.

>>212863483
Based explanation. The ships wifi is always killing people anyway.

>>212864037
I have to know what happens in that story

>>212864042
The meaning of life is to search for meaning in life ... in star trek

>>212864042
the meaning of life is to raise a family.

>be me
>forget to put my tricorder on airplane mode
>ship goes warp
>we fucking explode
Oops

>>212864155
>trusting your soul to wi-fi packet loss

>>212864219
you damn fool, this is why Starfleet Academy exists, to drill it into your stupid heads to always put your goddamn tricorder on airplane mode before going to warp!

>>212862537
So i'm pretty far in my DS9 rewatch now and i know that the "real" reason the federation&starfleet won the dominion war was because they are the heroes of the story, but holly fuck from a story point of view how did they lose so hard while having the alpha quadrant by the balls so hard at the start.

>have weapons that go straight trough starfleet shields as if they werent even there
>have all the intel on the entire alpha quadrant even before they even know about you.
>wipe out the spoonhead and romulan KGB in one swoop.
>trick the klingons in open war with the spoonheads.
>blow up politicians on earth and make starfleet so afraid of it's own shadow that it wants to overthrow the federation.
>etc...
And then the actual war starts
>assrape starfleet in every battle
>take over the foothold in to the alpha quadrant.
>have major factions like the spoonheads and the breen join them
>etc...
And somehow they still lose.

/trek/ I’m going to NYC for the first time. Any Trek tips?

>>212864174
>star fleet sends its most hardened operative to fight off the dominion threat
You know i was being pithy but she's been impregnated by aliens, surgically altered to infiltrate the romulans, time traveled just to get wasted, survived multiple mind rapes and it never seems to bother her the next week. She'd be a goddamn green beret

>>212864219
>then you wale up
>everything is slightly different
>the dominion is the federation’s greatest ally
>ten years have passed
>weyoun is asking you for the codes to the key defensive position of the cardassian-bajoran border

>>212864327
Because they forgot about one thing
American determination

>>212862294 (OP)
Watched the first episode of the new season and liked it. Had forgotten it's been two years since the last season and I had forgotten it ended on a cliffhanger but that was fun other than inexplicably being able to transport hundreds of people near instantaneously on to a ship that should only have a crew of like 150-200 and the people on the gorn ship somehow having their magical gorn adventure when they'd been hyping the gorn up as nearly indestructible killing machines

>>212864327
From what I remember they took too long getting their shit in place (which was no one's fault in particular let's not point fingers) and make a show of force and then when it was about to happen, their shit all disappeared by literal magic. Meh.

>>212864505
People always give Sacrifice of Angels shit for the deus ex machina ending, but I'm with the writers on this one: if you have godlike beings literally next door, why not use them?

>>212864505
The changelings were stupid for waiting that long while they could raise entire armies of jem hadar in days.
They pretty much did that when the wormhole stoped working anyway.

>>212864646
It was more about the 3000 ships than the Jem'Hadar desu

>>212864347
based

>>212864686
Starfleet would have won anyway if they made it trough.

>>212864327
Let me go through your list point by point:
>Dax makes one singular off-hand mention of shield upgrades that may or may not be the reason why Starfleet shields suddenly work against Jem Hadar weapons (this is never actually addressed but we do see ship shields working later)
>The Founders are morons who studied the Federation for years prior to invasion and somehow came to the conclusion that the Federation, the friendliest and most peaceful culture in existence, is an existential threat to them; all the prior intel in the universe is clearly wasted on them
>Destroying Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar probably made the Alpha Quadrant way stronger without the glowies fucking everything up for everyone
>Using the Klingons to weaken Cardassia was an obvious blunder when the Founders wanted to make Cardassia their allied foothold in the quadrant (Founder logic once again proven at two digit IQ)
>Starfleet staging a coup on itself just helped Sisko purge the untrustworthy elements from the ranks and find ways to protect from changeling sabotage afterwards with the invention of phaser sweeps
After the war starts:
>The Prophets just fucking delete the main Dominion invasion fleet, the Dominion is working off of nothing but reserves and backup personnel after that point
>Sisko mines the wormhole, preventing further reinforcements and supply shipments (play of the game)
>Sisko nukes the one and only ketracel-white factory in the Alpha Quadrant, turning the Jem Hadar into ticking time bombs who have to be purged regularly to prevent uprisings as stockpiles dwindle (play of the game)
>Sisko assassinates Senator Vreenak to lure the Romulans into the war, who finally turn the tide (play of the game)
>Section 31 had already poisoned the Great Link years ago, Founders are dying left and right and leaving huge gaps in leadership
>eventually Cardassia turns out to enjoy living and rebels against the Dominion
When you lay it all out, Federation victory seems inevitable

>>212864332
Berimbau in the West village is the best Acamarian Gatherer food in town. Go there.

hey op you also left the last thead floating at page 5. you're posting bakes way to early. literally let the thread get to pg 9 in the catalog, then post the new one

humans: have faith of the heart
founders: are fucking goo that don't even have hearts

they never had a chance. shrimple as

>>212864833
Always liked the idea that the secret service of the most peacefull faction in star trek was running circles around all the other factions in star trek.
Always reminded me of quark telling sisko that deep down humans where much more violent then the ferengi.
I hate what nuTrek did with section 31.
Fuckers running around with their own version of the badge and all....

>>212864327
Thanks to Section 31 the Dominion War was won before it ever began. Even if the war went as bad as possible for Starfleet, eventually the last Founder would die of the virus and the Dominion just implodes.

>>212865149
i'm sorry but if you ever liked S31 at all you're stupid

>>212865149
>I hate what nuTrek did
Me too

>>212865119
The Founders do have hearts.
Hearts of Stone.

>>212865177
So in fact the founders where right about starfleet&federation being the ones to really fear in the alpha quadrant?

TOS is strictly worse than TNG, DS9, and Voyager.

>>212863839
The worst thing maaaaaan
Is that you can't even get high to nutrek maaaaaan
It's too stupid and depressing maaaaaan
Not very Naturalistic

>>212865252
That's like your opinion maaaaan

>>212865239
Yeah no shit. They'd already dusted the klingons and the romulans were thr galaxy's biggest paper tiger. The federation were the only ones expanding

>>212865239
Yes and no. The Founders had no clue Section 31 existed and feared the Federation because of its advanced technology and its enlightened values being completely incompatible with the Dominion's religion. They didn't think it was hiding some horrible super spy agency hellbent on genociding all threats to the Federation. They were wrong about the Federation being a threat to them because of its high aspirations as a society, but they were right that there was a threat, just not about who or what it was. But Starfleet still proved their assumptions about the Federation wrong in the end by giving the Founders the cure to the virus.
It's complicated but to sum it up simply: the Founders were wrong about everything which is why Section 31 was so effective against them. They legitimately did not believe anyone in the Federation was capable of launching a pre-emptive genocidal strike like that, especially one so cold-hearted and subtle. They fully expected it from the Romulans and Cardassians, which is why they baited that strike so that they could easily destroy it.

I think it's time we take stock.

>>212865519
bro can you stop you're making me hate DS9 even though I love it. you're dredging up feelings i thought i had buried.

>>212865239
It wasn't the Founders who said that, it was Quark.

>>212865627
Sorry man. It's just that there is a lot about DS9 that seriously fucked the entire setting. As great as it was as entertainment, it also opened the door to so much of the awful shit we see in Nu-Trek.

This was the man who won the war.

>>212865734
But that's not Rom
>Rom is the one who invented the self-replicating mines that sealed the wormhole, literally saving the entire Alpha Quadrant

>>212865725
The 1k+ fleets going head to head in DS9 did kind of fuck up all the previous lore.

>>212865734
i will never forget the throwaway line about how these guys told Section 31 that Damar was mkultra murdering people via giving speeches

>>212865734
These schizos nearly COST the Federation the war.

>>212865734
he was wrong tho. he forgot sisko was automatically mary sue

>>212865793
yeah, having fleets of thousands of ships in one single battle is like
>yeah of course there'd be tens of thousands of ships in Starfleet, how the fuck would anything get done otherwise over such a massive span of space with so many worlds and colonies to service?
but it's also just utterly contrary to Gene's entire vision of not that many ships meaning every single starship is incredibly precious. A lot of DS9's creative liberties are like that. They're a reasonable take of real-world logic that allows for DS9 to do big, impressive war scenes and other new concepts, but they mess with key principles behind what made Star Trek and TNG so unique compared to other sci-fi settings.

>>212862294 (OP)
Funny, its Sulu that actually has a goofy, start-stop style of delivering lines, not Shatner. "This is USS Excelsior....we have detected an explosion....do you require....assistance?"

>>212864327
They lacked the human faith of the heart, simple as.

>>212866181
Don't be racist pls.

>>212866161
I good fix to this would have been no or very rarely decommissioning ships. Everything is always being retrofitted because why would you bin a starship? Would have been cool to see big battles with a bunch of historical classes being shoved into them

>>212862537
he had faith...of the heart....he belonged in Starfleet bros.

>>212866302
sacrifice of angels did have starfleet ships that where a hundred years old if i remember it right.

>>212866434
Yeah Excelsior Class ships were in service for a hundred years, but they are the exception to the rule

>>212866302
There were some Excelsiors and Miranda-classes in the Battle of Cardassia, so clearly Starfleet does refit a lot of very, very old ships to keep them in service

>>212866481
Miranda class ships in ds9/wolf 359 were "reliant" class ships if I remember correctly.

>>212866457
miranda, ambassador

>>212866434
>have a massive stockpile of mirandas and excelsiors
>"you don't throw something like that away!"
You really don't.

>>212866506
Reliant-class is the STO T6 modernized configuration of the Miranda if I'm not mixing up my class names. Do you mean the Soyuz-class, the same class as the USS Bozeman? Even that one's pretty ancient

You just know that past the 25th century the galaxy class will be still blowing up shit in the alpha quadrant.
They made too many of those during the dominon war that where barebone to just give them up.

>>212865793
>>212866161
Didn't they build a fuckton of ships because they got BTFO at Wolf 359?

>>212864876
That's actually really close to where I'll be, thanks for the tip lieutenant.

>>212866675
Starfleet looked in to making ships made for war, to back up the regular fleet.
Thats what ships like the defiant where for.
But then the put that idea in the fridge when the borg backed off, and then the domion war startred and they started shitting out the galaxy class like there as no tomorow.

>>212864327
The real reason the federation and starfleet won the dominion war is because they abandoned all of their principles and became subversive genocidal assassins.

>>212866795
It was the sacrifice of one single man's self-respect that won the war.
>I can live with it. I *can* live with it. I can *live!* with it.
Not ending DS9 with Sisko suck-starting a compression phaser rifle in his office was a massive mistake. That chosen-one angelic sacrifice crap to beat the demons was so retarded.

I have to say the first real "come on" episode of Star Trek, having watched a hell of a lot in order, is the "Aliens who sleep all the time and invade people's dreams" species. It just spawns too many bizarre questions. Just, come on. Chakotay just walked in and there's a huge cavern with with a bunch of aliens sleeping on their backs? It's just the worst. It's a shame because I dig the alien design.

Uh oh DS9 is catching heat. Better whine about a random non-offensive Voyager episode

>>212867142
It's one of the problems of episodic shows, sometimes a really bad one comes around.

>>212867142
i genuinely don't understand your problem with it. i haven't seen the episode though but it doesn't sound bad.

>>212867201
I just randomly popped on calm down there anon. Of course it's non-offensive but it's very very stupid.

>>212867291
People like it for the wacky dream scenes, but the whole chakotay dream&moon shit was so cringe.

>>212867256
The episode is saved by the final shot, Tuvoks absolutely fantastic pajamas.

>>212867291
You have to see it. It just makes so little sense. Also, what was the aliens' goal anyway?

>>212867411
there's been a lot of aliens that are disembodied consciousnesses and they're always like "we used to be corporeal beings like you and we evolved" so i can buy that laying down in a cave and dreaming for your whole life as an intermediate step

I like the one where the alien conjures up hallucinations just to fuck with people. Persistence of Vision.

>>212867502
the one with the beacon that makes everybody relive the alien version of vietnam when they pass close to the planet?
That one was so fucked up when you think about it.

>TOS
>TOS Films
>TNG
>DS9

Skip everything else because it's abysmal dogshit.

>>212862993
I liked Doohan.

>>212867411
>>212867471
The aliens were mostly a mystery. Voyager's crew never found out if they were ever awake or not. Seeing as they had built a machine, they probably just lived a life of reversed awake/sleep hours and considered their dream state to be their main mode of existence.

>>212867545
and as usual, Janeway makes the least ethical decision possible and decides not to blow it up to spare other travelers the same horrifying fate of enduring those memories
Kathryn "Let the Galaxy Burn" Janeway

NuTrekkers on suicide watch.

>>212867545
No the one where Janeway thinks her holodeck romance program is trying to kill her

>>212867589
Janeway really was the most all over the place captain in any star trek series.
Sure sisko did some fucked up shit, but at least the DS9 show made it clear it was kind of fucked up.
In VOY, janeway does fucked up shit all the time and the show shrugs it off like it is nothing.

>>212867589
To be fair she does leave a warning buoy so people can bypass that star system.

>>212865593
Been simmering it all day, anon.

>>212867772
I sure hope all those other Delta quadrant ships can understand English! They don't even have 22nd century protein resequencing tech, seems risky to assume that they'd have universal translators

>>212867589
>>212867700
As usually you leave out an important detail >>212867772
Janeway did the typical Starfleet thing. Did you expect her to destroy that civilization? It was their territory and that's how they defended themselves against others. Janeway rescued her crew, warned others and went on her way. This isn't Deep Space Nine where the captain bombs a planet because they won't give in to his demands.
Welcome to Star Trek.

>>212867842
Anon... that civilization was already dead. They had built a monument to their own stupidity to forcefully beam the memories of how they wiped themselves out into the minds of all passing starships. Literal mindrape to immortalize their own stupidity. You didn't watch the episode.

>>212866735
Get the feijoada.

>>212867895
No they weren't

I'm really enjoying the new season. They've expanded on the premise without falling into the usual traps and the world feels real with characters who are allowed to grow.

>>212867895
It's never stated that their entire civilization was dead. Just that they wanted people to remember the colonists who were massacred.

>>212868001
Dude, you didn't even read the memory alpha article on it. Just stop.

>>212868034
It was a dead planet. There was no one left. Voyager couldn't contact anyone else from the civilization, because they were gone. The entire reasoning Janeway gives for not blowing up the monument is because it's all that's left of an entire civilization that destroyed itself and hoped that by imparting their memories, others would not repeat their mistakes.

>>212867895
>>212868037
>>212868124
You're talking about a completely different episode.

>>212868158
I said Persistence of Vision and everyone is seething about Memorial.

>>212868026
The writers have had to learn some hard lessons about Star Trek but this season is a gamechanger
and I'm really looking forward to seeing how this whole thing pans out.

>>212867635
Hahahahahahahahahahaha Colbert getting shit canned is so fucking funny I love it so much.

>>212867635
Skydance is looking through Paramounts ledgers and asking why they keep giving Colbert so much money when he brings in very little.

Data is a computer. Nothing more.

Would.

the shilling is just sad

>>212868560
and that's okay. Unless you're some sort of religious zealot full of hatred for anyone or thing that doesn't fit into your dogmatic tome of hate.

Looking forward, this season is exploring a side of the Star Trek universe
that was left largely untouched by earlier iterations. How they face this new threat
and deal with the challenges posed is a really exciting premise.

>>212868560
Can a computer aura farm? Can a computer choose to have a best friend? Can a computer lie and disobey programming?

handjobs from edosians

>>212868757
What in blue blazes is "aura farming?" Speak like an educated adult who owns property.

>>212868986
where's ferenginar?

>>212863552
I guess this means the bridge consoles have their own dedicated conections to the EPS conduits. So the console is all the separates whoever is sitting at the station from warp drive plasma?

>>212868842
>The Patriarchy

Name 'em
>The Doomsday Machine
>Darmok
>The Visitor
>Blink of an Eye
>Carbon Creek

>>212869221
We expect our customs to be respected.

>rewatching "Babel One"
>Archer voice over says its a neutral planet where they're taking Tellarites so humans can mediate a trade dispute with Andorians
>Trip asks why they're shuttling Tellarites if they have their own warp ships
>Archer explains Babel is in Andorian space and they'll shoot at Tellarite ships in their territory (even though they presumably agreed to meet with them)

Then that's not a fucking NEUTRAL location is it?

>>212866181
Sulu, a mere Starfleet captain, was on the radio with the equivalent of the Soviet Politburo after the equivalent of the Chernobyl disaster damaged his ship. He was probably a little unsure what to say.

>>212869021
did they locate the Antares Maelstrom close to Regula I because of that one throwaway line Khan had in the movie?

>>212869925
Please theme your reaction images.

>>212869951
make me.

>>212865777
Fantastic, lol.

>>212864037
>don't betaze me bro

>>212868617
>New Guinan but cute ayy
Is she supposed to be one of Arex's race like picrel?

>>212870975
Yes and I'd fuck it

>>212868842
First map I've seen that actually gives the Cardassians a more realistic size.
Almost all other maps give them a size close to that of the Romulans and Klingons, which is ridiculous.

>>212870975
I doubt it.
Edosians have their third arm in front of them, kind of like the Vortigaunts from Half-Life.
This one has a third arm on her back.
Plus she's got five fingers. Edosians have three.
Probably was 'inspired' by them, but it seems to otherwise be one of those background aliens that only show up once.

The scene of all of the California class ships appearing to fuck up the Texas class was great, fuck anyone who disagrees.

i'm watching trek from an antenna and the shill cant stop me

>>212868842
why are the Talarians depicted as a major power when they appear in that one TNG episode

and why the Tzenkethi who only appeared in dialogue in the DS9 S3 finale?

Just a bloody odd choice.
Why not include every non-federation species that appears for one episode and vanishes forever?

>>212871249
>lets send one weird galaxy-akira-thing i can't recognize and 19 mirandas
this would be a short battle

>>212871362
The boy abducter reeee faction wasn't beloved enough for a second episode.

>>212869035
Um Duh alpha quadrant

>>212869221
Their not doing gangbusters according to the map

>>212871222
It's nutrek though, so you can't trust them to get anything right.
Or maybe it's like a Cheronian thing. Some have it one the front, others on the back.

watched an ai upscaled episode of ds9, god that shit is atrocious, would rather watch a bad vhs recording than those plastic slop faces

>>212869021
some fun ones here
>Typhon Expanse (at the very top next to the Romulan Empire)
this is where "Cause and Effect" takes place and causes Kelsey Grammer to travel from 2278 to 2368
>Flaxia (right of the Romulan Empire)
The homeworld of that guy hired by the Tal Shiar to assassinate Garak which is why Garak blew up his own shop so Odo would do the dirty work for him
>Nyberrite Alliance (bottom right)
Literally only mentioned in DS9 S4 premiere where Worf was contemplating leaing the station and starfleet and become a mercenary
>Yridia (bottom left)
James Cromwell in "Birthright" who tells Worf the lie that Mogh is still alive
>Kzinti Hegemony (on Klingon/Federation border)
Those cat like people who literally only appeared in an episode of TAS. The only TOS/TAS episod where Kirk doesn't appear. It's just Spock, Sulu and Uhura for 20 minutes.

And there's Guinan's El Auria up there in the top right.
I see many things

>>212870806
>>212869221
Don't mess with a woman or I'll teach why men are betas living in a zoid galaxy
>I love how Kira wrote this shit and put herself front and center lol

>>212871559
Based, more

>>212871379
Helps to get context given the Texas Class is an AI ship and 3 of them took out a Sovereign class in 20 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q38Dv9CDWYU

>>212871533
>Trusting AI
>Ever
Fake Trekker spotted

>>212871533
there's good ones out there

>>212871533
looks good for what it is maybe you're just lame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMf1H0G24pk&start=55

>>212871563
>Women of Trek for Kamala
7o9, Kira, Janeway, Beverley, Jadzia Dax, Tasha Yar, Hoshi Sato, Leeta, Keiko
Uhura was already dead of course, but then there's Ezri and Troi who hate orange man even more

Why is such a giant show like Trek so homogeneous?
Little bit odd.

>>212871622
>3 of them took out a Sovereign class in 20 seconds
i'm not familiar with that class as the soverign was the farthest we've actually seen (aside from the future ent j in ent i guess). 20 seconds seems really fast.

and the soverign was supposed to have been built with the borg in mind

>>212871794
Texas Class was designed to be AI controlled so anything used to support an organic crew was removed and replaced with components to make the weapons, shields and engines stronger. Combine that with the fact it has tactical knowledge of every Federation ship and station, it's a given it would be a terror if it went rouge. Which it did in 25 seconds after being given independent control. A new record for Star Trek AIs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsEyok6poRc
And before you ask, yes that was the admirals liver, intestines and ribs before he was fully vaporized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GqAzuZerWU
You can also say the Sovereign jobbed, but that's a trek tradition too, I.E. the Galaxy class getting destroyed by the Jem Hadar in DS9.

>>212869236
>Blink of an Eye
my man

>>212871249
I loved this scene too. And I like that it was all set up too.
Because the Callis were all called back to be decommissioned, that meant they were all nearby to respond to the call.

>>212872094
>nutrek
not clicking that junk. i was a fan of seeing where they'd go after voyager though, in bridge commander and a few games there a common yuge class that outdoes the soverign called excalibur class that i thought was cool. it was like a redo of the soverign but with weapons out the asshole with priority on superiority to any threat

What was the French reaction to TNG? I can't imagine having an Englishman like Stewart playing a French captain sat well with them.

>>212871563
This is the first piece of Trek media I've seen that included Burnham yet hasn't put her front and centre.

that time when nutrek all had similar season finales where AI takes over fed ships and makes them shoot at each other

>>212872245
French people don't consume any media that isn't French. they probably don't know what Star Trek is

>>212872240
Your loss, it's a very well executed scene.

>>212872319
uhh based?

>>212872341
i saw what they did with discovery, and picard, and lower decks being bean mouth rick and morty. no thanks!

for your trouble though, heres one of my favorite janeway scenes:
https://youtu.be/D4BRv_-aTmk

>>212867570
threadly reminder that TNG is nuTrek so you must start seething about it immediately

>>212872439
TNG redeemed itself. Nutrek hasn't and won't. Big difference.

>>212872547
LD already redeemed itself.

>>212872240
>giga hyper advanced slick Excalibur
>probably gets assraped by an angry flying brick designed by The Sisko

>>212872402
The first season was meh, but like any good trek, it hits its stride on the 2nd season. Also the show seemed to specialize in filling in plot holes or inconsistencies left by previous shows.
Like the fact you brought up Voyager. Lower Decks brought back Nicholas Locarno.

Call me when your show has an Andorian and Trill making out.

>>212872402
Kate Mulgrew is an absolute champion. So is Tim Russ. Fantastic scene, thanks for reminding me of it.

>>212872634
i watched ld and it was pretty consistently boring
just boring not aggressively shit like for example picard

>>212872597
i love the defiant but as i recall, they couldn't get the measurements right. there WAS a model, but then they didnt use it or something. and then theres an ep where the defiant docks a shuttle? and its even thrown more out of whack

>>212872688
aren't they both great? i love how kate dips her head in awe as she's realizing the extent of whats going on, its a womanly thing...picard would have just went oof. but kate shows her womanness for a sec, then goes right back to captain mode. its wonderful.

>>212864155
It's not a based explanation it's a retard take. Depressurization has nothing to do with that. It would be more like the equivalent of routing the steam for the engines on the titanic through a bridge console so you can control the speed of the engines.

>>212872688
Kate Mulgrew gets points for not only being totally unapologetic for killing Tuvix and doubling down on it.

>>212872733
That's fair.
After watching Lower Decks I usually felt relaxed and happy, not excited or blown away.

>>212872916
she sounds like a total cunt outside of the show. but as a personality and a captain, she was great. it was the writing that made her insaneway.

no one that hates janeway hates kate.

>>212872733
I liked it because it shows the less glamorous, but equally necessary work of the Federation even if the stand alone episodes were a bit formulaic over 'Misunderstanding that could have been averted if they talked earlier plots for character development'. But the sheer amount of homework the writers did and bringing back lesser known races and people and making them interesting. I.E. making the Pakleds a legitimately threatening race.

>>212872998
>she sounds like a total cunt outside of the show.
How so?

>>212872650
Or when it tells the truth about the useless shape of the storage crates.

>>212872916
Absolutely based. Voyager was still garbage though.

>pacifist Andorians
oh brother..........

>>212872998
>she sounds like a total cunt outside of the show
She was definitely mean as hell to Jeri Ryan

but she also had every right to be pissed about Jeri Ryan's inclusion in the show and suddenly becoming its central focus.
When anons were ratings dumping yesterday, it was interesting to see that 7 of 9 didn't help Voyager's ratings tailspin at all, it just continued to go down at the same rate more or less. So yeah, imagine you're the star of a show and suddenly they bring in someone who makes you something of a secondary character on your own show on the justification of ratings being bad, and then they just get worse.

>>212873100
she was a total cunt to jeri once jeri became the hot chick on the set. she purposely stopped filming after they got jeri into costume, purposely extended it later afterwords. she was just an asshole on set.

she actually wrote about this in her own words, maybe someone has the content, i don't. she was just a jerk lol, especially to jeri who was obviously brought on cause BOOBA

>>212864174
IIRC the real-life version of Crell Moset is in it. After the Dominion takes over Betazed, he starts experimenting on the betazoids.

>>212873224
i think i wrote this to fast. to be clear: someone once posted interviews with kate where she talks about what an asshole she was on set, and most of it was directed at jeri. it was typical female cattary. i don't have the original context though

>>212873298
I hated Janeway on first sight. I thought it's because she had grandma vibes and sounded like Prymaat Conehead. Now I have an additional reason to hate her... because the actress portraying her was a jerk.

>>212873220
Also 7 of 9 helped to further make the Borg a complete joke instead of the nearly unstoppable force they've been for a vast majority of the franchise.
Not to mention the whole Pandora's Box where they used 7 of 9's NANOMACHINES to bring Neelix back from the dead so he could have his spirituality crisis, and then completely abandon the tech for any dead crewman.

I first knew about Kate Mulgrew from Dragon Age

>>212873468
tuvok is in there too, how can you miss him?

>>212873126
Or be the only series to reference Star Trek: The Animated Series

>>212873298
Older dykey lead didn’t like younger hotter new lead? Crazy. Next you’re going to tell me these shows aren’t actually filmed in space

>>212873419
i don't hate her at all personally. i dislike the beehive hair and theres plenty of times she's 'insaneway' rather than 'janeway'. but as an actress playing a captain, i like kate

i recently watched throw mamma from the train and omg that scene where they kill kate is hilarious, she's half hanging off the ship

>>212873443
Voyager was the worst when it came to technobabble.
I think at one point they put nanobots in a photon torpedo.
Like, not to alter the torpedo but to shoot nanobots at a thing.

>>212864327
>was because they are the heroes of the story
The Section 31 plot undermining this really highlights how poor the metaplot writing in DS9 is.
I'm surprised the same show had an episode where you were left to realise yourself an engineered plague was designed to prevent an entire planet's society from rediscovering advanced technology so they would be a permanent reminder of "Don't cross the Dominion".

>>212873537
she wasn't even old when they started filming?? man you are just looking to argue about nothing. i never thought i'd be defending janeway in some form

People take Mulgrew for granted. Imagine how awful a Star Trek led show by a badly miscast female captain could possibly be.

It's one of those situations where we actually are living in the good, prime timeline and dodged much worse outcomes.

>>212873650
That’s why I said “older” not “old. Kate was 40 when voyager started. Jeri Ryan joined the cast at 29. Wasn’t shitting on Kate Mulgrew was just saying the cattiness seems not at all surprising to me.

>>212873631
>left to realise yourself
um don't they explicitly spell that out in the episode?

>>212873869
kate was 40 at the start of voyager? no way. she looked ok for that age, but it was that fuckin beehive hair that killed any sex appeal she might have had.

jeri i can see at 29, she honestly looked it but we were all looking at her magnificent tits too.

>>212873959
Maybe. If someone else knows then that'd be great.
I just thought it was
>ohmygosh technology makes it worse!
>are we going to elaborate why this is plot relevant?
>naaaah

>>212872774
>i love how kate dips her head in awe as she's realizing the extent of whats going on, its a womanly thing
I like that you bring that up. I've always been a fan of how Mulgrew managed to make Janeway authoritative without losing any femininity. IMO that takes an impressive level of naturalism in acting. Janeway never felt cold, compensating or like she was throwing a tantrum but at the same time remained resolute and professional when it was needed. It made the character feel very human and fully realized.

>>212873631
>>212864327
The only reason the Federation won the Dominion War was because both the Federation and Sisko were willing to betray their core principles to win.
In the case of Sisko, lying, cheating and murdering to get the Romulans to join the alliance against the Dominion.
And the Federation? Everything Section 31 did. If Gene came back from the dead and found out about section 31, he would hunt down and murder every writer responsible for it.

Hate this nigga so much it's unreal.

>>212873985
and magnificent they were

>>212874021
TREVEAN: We had sophisticated equipment once. Do you think our world was always this way? Two centuries ago, we were no different from you. We built vast cities, travelled to neighbouring worlds. We believed nothing was beyond our abilities. We even thought we could resist the Dominion. I see you've heard of them. Then take care not to defy them or your people will pay the same price we did. The Jem'Hadar destroyed our world as an example to others. Bring me Milani's child. More than anything, the Dominion wanted my people to bear the mark of their defiance. So they brought us the Blight.

>>212874127
Love this nigga so much it's unreal

>>212874076
in the same scene when she already dismissed b'lenna, she shakes her head and puts her hand up to her mouth, shaking her head like 'no no no', and then has to deal with tuvok. the whole scene is feminine. after her head shake she goes into captain mode for a sec, then back to frienship mode (tuvok and her have been friends for 20 years at this point, tuvok isn't just an officer). how she looks at him, treats him, is very feminine yet firm. that is the janeway i like, and i can't imagine many people besides kate delivering it

>>212862294 (OP)
What did the bonding do right that hero worship did wrong?

The cartoon tranny tried shilling his tranny show again half an hour ago. He was talking to himself for like 30 minutes, then started spamming CalArts lesbians, and then quit. What's the deal with that?

>>212874105
>If Gene came back from the dead and found out about section 31
"B- but Mr Roddenberry! It was never real! It was just a conspiracy theory plot! There was no Section 31! It was just one guy! N- NOOOO-ack"
I think Gene would despise most of Star Trek, its lack of hot Native American babes, be confused why women aren't wearing dresses and when people call him a Nazi he'll be confused and think it's because he called it the most efficient country known to man in the Hitler episode rather than because he's been left behind and is no longer with it.

too much melodrama in this episode sheeesh

>>212874224
Well, that's what I mean.
It's not spelled out. It would be normal for a Star Trek plot to have a race lose all its technology because someone blew it all up, not because a cause-and-effect virus was created.
They spelled out every part of the Blight as a killer, they didn't spell out the tech part.

I personally just assume they cut the scene.

>>212874543
He's already have it out for DS9's writers for reviving the coup plotline which he specifically vetoed, and why the neural parasites became a thing.
Was honestly shocked they never brought them back for Lower Decks. Or I thought they were the antagonists of Picard Season 3 before they asspulled changelings trapped in the alpha quadrant and then the Borg.

>>212862294 (OP)
What actually happens during a Red Alert other than raising shields and arming weapons?

>>212874693
officers go to their stations. medics go to med bays, obrien smokes a cigar

>>212874693
Children in the nursery start to cry if it's not a military vessel.

>>212872586
That's not even best girl

>>212874693
It's like Beat to Quarters, but with a really annoying alarm and flashing red lights

>>212874448
you don't have the slightest clue. stop pretending. if you're not embarrassed, i'll be embarrassed for you

>>212872547
I don't know, SNW is just goofy enough to almost be, dare I say, comfy.

>>212875096
She looks like she has a disease.

>>212875079
I know, right? I like me some Space Daria, too. Our cup truly runneth over.

>>212875164
She's also the one of the most realistic depiction of a Vulcan since they do have emotions, they just suppress them, which is why T'Lyn is such a loose canon and was kicked off her ship.

>>212874448
>nooooo the only option is to stay on 4chan and post constantly, no one is allowed to go off for a while and do something else
such a limited life you lead

>>212874847
>officers go to their stations. medics go to med bays
Shouldn't those guys already be there?

>>212874693
Everyone stops what they're doing and hastily walks down the corridors

>>212875161
your sad attempt to insult her looks doesn't have any credibility

Friendly reminder, do not engage the Trannoid Collective if you want to avoid another Thread 349.

>>212874303
I'm sure you've probably seen it already but that film test of Geneviève Bujold as Janeway really drives home just how incredibly good Mulgrew was.

>>212875275
not really. they could be off doing w/e around the area without being directly at their console.

ent actually has an ep about this, where they all become obsessed with something like trip with the chair. malcom's is about an alert that will auto trigger shields, weapons, etc. its obviously later what saying 'red alert' means in tng+

>>212875311
Lol. I could say the same about your failed attempt to picture me.

>>212874693
Red Alert should automatically power off the holodecks to reroute power from them.

>>212875275
That would be a terrible waste of resources. There are a lot of other tasks that need to get done on a starship of that size.

I'm kinda shitfaced, recommend me some Trek episodes.

>>212875380
>film test of Geneviève Bujold
i'm pretty drunk and high so maybe youre messing with me but please expand

>>212875510
No one wants to see what you're really like.

>>212875551
someone might be doing important science shit in there, also you never know when you need emergency control stations cause of some bullshit lockout or boarding parties

>>212875603
yeah i checked. you suck, anon

>>212875664
>someone might be doing important science shit in there
Whatever they're doing can't be more important than the ship being in mortal danger!

>>212875705
they do lots of important shit in holodecks. tricking invaders into them, food and medical stuff works when spawned in holodecks. it's like a general purpose area that happens to take a ton of computation and presumably power but nobody ever had a brown out onboard a starship.

>>212875705
The ship is not always in mortal danger. Do you creep around your studio apartment, holding your cell phone, ready to dial 911 at a moment's notice? (I'll discount the idea that you live in a house, own a firearm, or do anything but obsess over whether you're about to be attacked.)

>>212875818
why do you keep mentioning nutrek at all? its one thing to poke fun but now its two threads with references no one wants, and you're still making jokes. its shit let it die.

Someone is clearly way to tense for this thread and needs to relax.

>>212875603
>>212875698
Eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SIZcDWKyw0

>>212875853
>The ship is not always in mortal danger.
Kek! I'm pretty sure if they are at Red Alert they are.

>>212876013
>Flat voice
>>No charisma
>Overshadowed by every other character she is interacting with
NGMI

When will Tuvok get his chance?

>>212875924
Why are these two gay now?
Women?

Is there a TNG character that dies and is replaced by a duplicate like O’Brien and Harry Kim?

>>212876144
tuvok and neelix love each other very much in a straight way (too old?)
>>212876158
>now

>>212876158
Alternate timelines and Garak just likes to have someone to argue with, and who argues more than a married couple?

>>212876092
Yeah she didn't work. It's interesting that they tried to cast what is essentially an actually somewhat French female Picard.

>>212876158
We don't call it "Lezzie Dykes' for nothin

>>212876182
what makes you ask the same thing every thread? is it a fetish?

>>212876182
O'Brien was one of the first people ever on screen in TNG.

>>212876031
Are you being deliberately dense? The ship is not always at red alert. Hoshi needs naked time.

>>212876222
I’ve not been participating in these threads, they get too much, I’m glad there’s a likeminded person out there though

>>212876158
>Why are these two gay now?
Because NuTrek is made for queers and queers only. This is the audience Alex Kurtzman has been cultivating for almost ten years now.

>>212862294 (OP)
The excelsior bridge used to be huge, what the fuck

>>212876247
He’s not replaced in TNG, though

>>212876276
mirin them green glowing chair-bases

>>212876276
It's the battle bridge from tng

>>212876182
Not many people know this but Riker

>>212876265
>they get too much
what do you mean?
trek threads are wonderful and harmless. welcome to our little hellhole of tos-ent though.

>>212876213
I was all in for all the seething over Mariner having a fling with the Andorian instead of Boiler.

>>212876443
it means kill yourself

>>212876182

>Is there a TNG character that dies and is replaced by a duplicate like O’Brien and Harry Kim?

Everyone who uses the transporter.

>>212876182
Yeah picard

>>212876476
Not when I can mock shipper fags like you.
Fag.

>>212876383
>The entire scene was an allegory for pro choice.

>>212876443
I hope Boimler has higher standards than that. Back home, Leann would bed him in a split second. I'd take that strawberry blonde angel any day.

>>212876383
I like the webm

>>212876383
>create life
>it's definitely not an embryo anymore and is almost a fully formed adult
>instantly aborted by federation officers
I'm surprised this happened past TOS/Season1TNG.
Sanctity of all life and its right to self determination, even at the cost of your own existence/moral heatmap siding with space rocks versus family, sorta became a recurring theme in TNG.

>>212876443
Boimler has a lot to choose from, just in this shot alone.

I've got to fly out again in the morning so my fun times are mostly over for a while. I just want to say that I love you /trek/ these have been some great threads of late. /trek/ is back baby!

>>212876638
>>212876594
That's not how the mind of a shipper works, they wanted him and Mariner to be a thing.

>>212876669
The threads have been great lately, it's true. Godspeed, anon, hope everything goes well for you out there. Peace and long life.

>>212876606

Why did you shoot yourself in the dick Commander?

>>212876417
It has just become very popular all of a sudden, I meant nothing bad from it, they would be quite dead because a random nuTrek guy would come and kill the mood (I wonder if it has just been one person at it for years)

>>212876694
personally i dont want either of them to be a thing. the show might be decent if it wasn't for them specifically being too meta.

>>212876606
I don't know why exactly but the phaser toting triplets crack me up.

>>212876753
I love that they all look like Eddie Murphy body doubles

>>212876753
coming straight out of some beverly hills cop parody

>>212876777
checked and kekd

>>212876816
>>212876816
>>212876816

>>212876694
What the hell is a "shipper"? I'm a fan of LD and I never wanted those two to be together.

>>212876823
bit early but nice to be on the ball this time
>>212876849
joss whedon fanbase level things, dont learn the details.

>>212876849
>I never wanted those two to be together
Most people did and it killed the show. The viewership nosedived after S2. It got canceled one year later.

>>212876886
Nobody tell him

>>212876965
It's the truth. The show was too niche to afford to be divisive.

>>212877008
It's clearly not since you're ignorant of a basic fact.

>>212863676
It's clearly like a Borg situation where the Gorn are simply do not follow YOUR enlightened socialist utopia rules. They clearly have mental capacity to understand that they're using sentient lifeforms as incubators, fuel, and food and they simply don't care.

The episodes have left enough of the Gorn a mystery to show audiences that some things simply cannot be understood in YOUR mental framework. The other anon comparing them to religious fanaticism is on point: if you try to california brand champagne socialism on some jihadists you just end up with your head cut off. Doesn't matter that you have a matching number of limbs or how skilled they've become at calculating mortar trajectories.

>>212876875
OMG, that's so sad. Fans actually obsess over characters getting into a relationship (hence the term "shipper"). Every day, I'm more and more embarrassed that I share DNA with this disgraceful species. Besides, there's a completely different relationship I wanted to see, and thanks to AI text-to-video, I can.

>>212877460
>socialist utopia

>>212877502
>Trusting the germans with anything

>>212866302
>>212866434
>>212866457
>>212866481
>>212866506
>>212866510
>>212866510
That whole "hundreds of years old starships can still be effective combat units" is a retarded meme. Go watch some videos on how Battleship Texas works ("Tom Scott, the older one" is good) and the crap they had to do, like motor-generator sets, to bring it up to even a minimally effective support role for WWII. Then learn about the Iowas where you'd see that a WWI ship could never stand up to the WWII ship even if you did so much work to the former that it would've been better to start over. And then learn about Burkes which could knock them both down without a lot of trouble and that there's zero way to get an Iowa upgraded enough to support the tech that a Burke has without doing so much modification that it would be easier to build new. And that's only an 80 year difference. The only way you could get the old starship being worthwhile thing going is if your technology is stagnant.

>>212864327
counterpoint: wormhole aliens

literally that's the entirety of it. time-based metagods were on the winners side the entire time. The Dominion never stood a chance, the Sisko got to explain baseball to a group that cannot experience linear time, first.

>>212877668
Weird you're posting that about yourself when star trek is all about post scarcity socialism and openly rejecting the corrupt capitalist system.

>>212877798
It only "works" because they made magic boxes that make stuff for free, and never explain where all the electricity comes from. Total hand wave.