William Shatner Edition

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luv bill

What the fuck was he thinking (he’s literally me)

>>212876842
mind your business stupid bitch

>>212876816 (OP)
Is this like the fourth or fifth Nu Trek hate thread OP in a row? Based if so, based regardless really

>pg3
why do you bake so early op? let it hit page 9 then start anew

>>212876885
n/m, I forgot the last one was about chairs. Oh well, you know what they say: nu trek fucking sucks.

>>212876885
>Is this like the fourth or fifth Nu Trek hate thread OP in a row?
It's about sending a message.

threadly reminder that shatner was speaking his true feelings when performing this sketch

>>212876914
probably trying to avoid some nutrek guy """stealing""" the thread because being chief faggot is important to him

>>212876842
It could have been worse, he dressed her very conservatively and not in a toga or her underwear.

i could make this a ds9 sucks thread, but i'm sleepy

>>212876719
I was happy they didn't become a couple and how the treated the relationship with Jennifer as an afterthought at best.

>>212876944
Pretty sure there is one nutrek guy and it’s you lol

>>212876914
Because he's desperate to avoid having a nuTrek fan make the thread. Also, this thread is literally the center of his existence, and he has a meltdown if it doesn't go completely his way.
>>212876944
This.

kek he's posting the SNL sketch already
>>212876975
You always get shit-housed in those arguments anyway.

>>212876917
>Oh well, you know what they say: nu trek fucking sucks.

>>212876993
nah, i will say that i watched an unspecified amount of nutrek and i hated every second of it and will take what I know to my grave.

>>212876975
It's 6 am in the morning where I am. I've been up for 22 hours now. Go ahead, make my day.

>>212876816 (OP)
I love how this is totally wrong.

>>212876914
i actually needed this for something diff but a quick bg removal looks ok. maybe someone will have use for it. jeri was so hot.

>>212877033
I'm watching a Japanese wrestling tournament that doesn't even start for another four hours.

We're all pulling long shifts tonight, brothers.

>>212877075
but morally right

>>212876980
>>212877043
It was very obviously about subverting expectations. Lefties love doing that. Tease that guy and gal may get together, follow up with gay shit. Lower Drecks got canceled because the writers got too cocky and thought they can pretend to be Rian Johnson. But when your show is extremely niche (and kept afloat by schizo shippers) you can't afford to be divisive.
So most people just dropped the show and then it got canceled. The end

>>212876980
And Boimler has much hotter women at home, and they can't wait to throw themselves at him. Seems like that'd make up for being on a raisin farm, but what do I know.

>>212877033
remember when ziyal couldnt possibly fit in on cardassia or bajor because the ds9 cast was so captivating they needed to shoehorn in another pointless character?

>>212876917
How embarrassing is that?

>>212877025
I think I tapped out when they irreversibly destroyed canon in SNW, such that everyone collectively agreed, including shills, to box everything post-2009 in its own timeline, but yeah it sucks bad

>>212877115
any excuse for more dukat is good, plus she mirrored that ep when dukat orphan'd that politicians kid

>>212877111
>So most people just dropped the show and then it got canceled
get woke go broke

>>212877109
>It was all true
>ESPECIALLY the lies

>>212877111
>It was very obviously about subverting expectations.
What the fuck does this mean? The main female and male leads should always fuck?

>>212877144
>>212877111
>>212877033
>>212876944
The founders have blessed the Shatner thread!

>>212877144
>Complaining about woke
>With start trek
MIGA are a most illogical race.

>>212877154
>The main female and male leads should always fuck?
Obviously. Only trannies and faggots think otherwise because they live in a perpetual state of seethe over straight people being society's default.

>>212877154
>What the fuck does this mean? The main female and male leads should always fuck?
Yes.

I wonder how long he's going to have a back and forth with himself.

>>212877154
>>212877211
>>212877224
to achieve peak TV performance the main leads should NEVER fuck but always be extremely close to fucking. once they fuck then its over.

>>212877248
NOOOO, they HAVE to fuck! Otherwise the fags will triumph over the straights.

>>212877248
>they fuck then its over
That's why they usually fuck in the final episode.

>>212877115
I remember Damar pulling a phaser on her and going to work. By the way. Pay attention to the voles. They too are spoonheads.
>>212877090
Yeah, I hate being on standby. And I can't fucking sleep.

>>212877083
First thing that came to mind.

>>212876917
Loved Combs' work as AGIMUS in Lower Decks.

>>212877243
He clearly enjoys playing with himself. He does it so often.

>>212877248
watching patrick even try the first ep of picard was painful to watch

>>212877395
>>>/pol/
but also when he dies it will be nothing but poop emojis

>>212877274
Don't be disingenuous. Men and women belong together and them fucking is always the logical endpoint. You know this, I know this. It's only natural.
This recent obsession with keeping men and women "platonic" is just stealth gay propaganda. I never see these faggots complaining that a gay or lesbian couple should have stayed platonic. Hell, they'll usually throw a fit if a show or movie doesn't have enough faggotry in it. They'll push for male friends to be faggots, like it was the case with Bashir and Garak. They're only complaining when it' a dude and a dudette.

Don't fuck people at your workplace

>>212877090
g1 climax?

>>212877299
Night shift it is, then.
>>212877449
You know I'm ready to MAX THE MAX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTbT7jT1KVU

>>212877427
>when he dies it will be nothing but poop emojis
again this is a nutrek thing none of us will get. why?

>>212877473
this is the emoji movie where he played the poop emoji

>/pol/ playing the victim
>again
What is the TOS equivalency of trump covering up the Epstein list?

>>212877395
This poor woman's entire career was just people enabling her mental illness.

>>212877492

Bridge bitches leave.

>>212877514
I don't even think Jennifer was mentally ill before she got to Hollywood, it just made her insane. She's a victim.

>>212877483
patrick played a poop emoji in a movie? i really don't want to know more, just a yes or no will suffice

whenever he does die there will be mock funeals held around the the world with nerds dekked out in attire appropriate for it. that will definitely happen

>>212877447
Why is it okay to turn Garak and Bashir into faggots but the main girl and main guy from Lower Decks are supposed to have some scared platonic bond? Oh, we all know why. Because that's the fucking agenda.
Turn all close same-sex friends into buttbuddies but keep men and women in the friend zone. This lost at the ballots last year, by the way.

>>212877530
unfortunately yes. i envy your ignorance.

>>212877538
>turn Garak and Bashir into faggots
I'm sorry, what?

>>212877491
You incredible dumbass. Can you even see past the end of your nose? You completely lack strategic thought. His purpose was to goad the Democrats (who had 4 years to do this & did nothing) to demand the List be released. It was so obvious.

>>212877542
thats really sad to here. he certainly doesn't need the money.

>>212877575
Garak and Bashir are fucking each other's crusty holes in NuTrek. Sorry to break the news.

>>212877538
But Boimler had white hotties at home, and Beckett, in case you haven't noticed, is black.

>>212877623
Nobody cares about cartoon lore and TAS proves it.

>>212877623
see >>212877248

>>212877623
So Bashir left ezri for Garak?

>>212877575
>>212877623
Actual explanation is Garak and holographic version of Bashir, who are both from different alternate realities, become a couple. They aren't even from the same universe and most of the time they're just arguing over which reality they should both return too.
Also don't promote Kim or he'll go insane.

>shipping discourse and faggotry
Nice legacy you got there Lower Drecks

>>212877577
I'll take that as a no, you can't defend trump covering up Estpein's list and the fact you're being a good sheep deflecting any way possible because that's his current demand.
Have fun defending that pedo trump until the heat death of the universe.

>>212877702
But it's the OP that wants shipping. Just with his couples.

>>212877702
what's worse are the faggots who legitimately waste their time on the internet in culture wars because of a rick and morty-trek

Let's talk about how good the visuals were in SNW season 3 episode 1: Hegemony (Part II) instead

>>212877702
TOS started it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70r2vjTlfFM

TTD

>>212877773
Seatbelts save inflatable-doll lives.

>Running a cover up now
The noticing intensifies

>>212876816 (OP)
I like that lower decks at the very least was obviously written by people who actually watched and know star trek, not a bunch of women who skimmed a wikipedia page before writing the exact same woke womanslop drama they always do, like what they did to STD and the john luke pickered show.

>>212877788
No, homosexuals like yourself started it I'm afraid.

>>212877827
please keep your schizo ramblings on topic, they're very entertaining otherwise

>>212877827
covering up what exactly

>>212877471
Pretty much. I'm gonna need something stronger than coffee...

>>212877669
Correct. You're supposed to string the audience along and milk their engagement in the main couple. God forbid you sink the show's main couple two seasons into the show because that'll just result in people fucking off. And that's exactly what happened because NuTrek is made by morons like Alex Kurtzman.

KIRA'S MOM IS A WHORE

>>212877858
You need to follow your own advice.

>>212877833
the video footage cannot be contradicted. you were watching faggots in space the whole time

>>212877865
Let your hatred of all forms of faggotry sustain you, anon. They'll give you the statue you deserve eventually. They will acknowledge your greatness.
>>212877878
I can personally confirm that this is true.

>>212877905

>>212877875
That graph only shows legitimate viewers. It doesn't incorporate people like me who download it, then later buy it on DVD. You have such an old geezer mentality. What next, Nielsen ratings?

>>212877930
WokeS9 episode

>>212877961
>only shows legitimate viewers
No, you fucking retard. It shows online interest. People looking the show up, talking about it, overall online interest.

>>212877875
Looks like pretty solid engagement, the problem is it's streamed so of course it's going to die out since everyone watches it different times unlike TV broadcast where it was a big watchalong.
The Orville ones were fun.

>>212877875
That's a very important and meaningful graph and I respect it deeply. https://southpark.cc.com/collections/qh14ns/south-park-april-s-fool/znqt7t

>Once you were pulled into the Delta Quadrant, Tuvok could have secretly transmitted final instructions to the Caretaker. A short time later, Captain Janeway guided Voyager to the same coordinates and was also pulled into the Delta Quadrant. All of these events took place within a matter of days. I find that suspicious.

>Neither phasers nor torpedoes are capable of creating a tear in subspace. A tricobalt device is. As Tuvok detonated the device, a cloaked ship locked on to one of the array's tetryon reactors and pushed it through the tear into subspace, protecting it from the blast and hiding it from Voyager's sensors. But the Captain and Tuvok knew exactly where it was going. Once Voyager left the area, the reactor was retrieved and began a similar journey, carried by a series of vessels until it was finally delivered to Mister Tash.

>I don't think Captain Janeway is planning to use the catapult to get Voyager closer to home. I think she's going to use it to bring in more vessels from the Alpha Quadrant. If I'm correct, this region of space will soon be occupied by a Federation-Cardassian invasion force.

>Stardate 51008, Captain Janeway allows Kes to leave Voyager. Neelix told me that Kes had suspicions about the Caretaker. Was the captain trying to silence her? Stardate 51462, the Doctor's programme is transmitted to a Starfleet vessel on the outskirts of the Alpha Quadrant. An attempt by the Captain to contact Earth or a secret communiqué informing Starfleet of her progress? Stardate 50984, Janeway forges an alliance with the Borg. Stardate 51762, a cease-fire with the Hirogen. Stardate 52861, a non-aggression pact with the Terkellians. She called each incident diplomacy. I believe she was trying to establish a tactical infrastructure in the Delta Quadrant. Over the past five years, Captain Janeway has altered course two hundred sixty three times in the name of exploration. In reality, she was mapping the region and collecting strategic data regarding

>>212877864
Ask about a list. Also Orion AI slop incest is meh.

>>212877987
Other than this thread, I have literally never discussed Lower Decks online, so it doesn't properly capture my interest. Only the terminally online would even think that was meaningful. You embarrass yourself yet again. Has your flesh melded with the filthy couch that you're too fat to stand up from anyway?

Forget exploring space. Let's just explore tits.

>>212878162
>Tits and vagoos
The incel's final frontier.

>>212878113
I'm sorry to hear that you can't get it up anymore. Truly, I am. No wonder you're so angry.

>>212878162

>>212878067
>Looks like pretty solid engagement
Let's put some things in context then. Let's compare Lower Decks to a real show like Hazbin Hotel, another adult animated comedy. See how you can't see it anymore?
When your show is so aggressive niche, you can't be intentionally divisive. But NuTrek just cannot help itself. It wouldn't be NuTrek if Alex Kurtzman wasn't shitting on his own audience. Hollywood's hubris is mindboggling and it reached its peak during the Joe Biden administration. It was just unbridled hubris.
We're seven months into Trump 2.0 and SNW has been canceled, Colbert is being taken off the air, and Paramount has abandoned all DEI initiatives.

>>212878224
>More graphs
>/pol/ ranting
Care to state the nature of your medical emergency?

>>212878253
>/pol/ ranting
You lost and orange pedo is your president.

>>212878218
weak

>>212878224
One thing hasn't changed in Trump 2.0...you still can't get it up, and your mom's sponge baths just don't do it for you anymore.

>>212878298
I don't take insults from AI sloppers.

>>212878280
>Supporting the orange pedo
Gene would be devastated at the dystopia we live in now.

>>212878344
>Gene would be devastated at the dystopia we live in now
Word.

>>212878280
If there was even a shred of evidence Trump had engaged in pedo activities, it's utterly irrefutable that it would have been leaked by Biden's regime.
>>212878295
Too much clothing.
>>212878321
Holodeck hater, huh?

>>212878295
this is unironically how I remember it

>>212878380
i think the guy that did these was from /trek/ but i dont remember

>>212878380
>Holodeck hater, huh?
TNG did an entire episode on the dangers of holoslop.

>>212878424
>dangers
i think you mean basedness, everyone does it including picard.

>the coomers and political spergs fill the thread

>>212878400
Much more like it!

>>212878380
>This is the best cope created by Ferangi porn lovers.
At least Quark wouldn't help operate a child sex trafficking out of his bar.

>>212878464
posting 7o9 and tpol and troi are baseline coomer. not even reaching into freaky tentacle/catgirl "gene" level coomer.

>>212877526
Why does this dude carry a stick?

>>212876816 (OP)
Thats the worst part, it wouldn't be so bad if they were just bad writers. Bad writers can get better. But they actively hate you, and cant resist going out of their way to show it.

>>212876816 (OP)
Love or hate Lower Decks, as long as we can all agree Discovery should had never happened both sides can find asylum in this thread.

>>212878464
You could just pretend to make your own thread on your cell phone, you know. None of that messy interaction with other sentient beings. Bonus: no one here would miss you.

>>212878656
I love lower decks and refused to watch discovery on principle.
Take that olive branch as you will.

>>212877623
Stich in Time > lower decks faggotry

>>212878665
I have a better idea. You do a kys.

>>212878656
Indeed. How many times did "Michael" cry? Starfleet officers don't cry. And what was that stupid "red angel" thing? I'd rather watch android-loving Cthulhu emerge from a portal again.

>>212878686
Just make Garak bi, makes the most sense since he fucks with everyone.

>>212878656
Like, how did such a fat bitch ever get through Starfleet Academy? She's literally a danger to the ship.

>>212878717
You first. I'll be right behind you. I promise.

>>212878464
The trick is to just ignore them and talk about Star Trek.

This is their first successful trolling of the thread in weeks really, because people kept taking the bait.

Yeah I'm thinking based

>>212878878
This is from a mental asylum right?

>>212878847
Weeks? It was only 4 days ago when the thread was filled with AI-generated Star Trek pr0n. And it's pretty arrogant to say any discussion of Trek you don't like is somehow "derailing".

>>212878798
She wasn't that fat at first, she even ran throughout the ship as part of her daily workout. But after the first season the actress spent all her money on weed and food and after her hospitalization for marijuana induced psychosis she only had food left and put on a hundred pounds in like three months.

>>212878795
>indulge my sodomite fantasy
No.

>>212878878
Oh, wow. The Muslim turbovirgin has nothing on whatever this is.

>>212878982
I'm not going to judge you for your sodomite fantasy, much. But your Vulcan friend will.
Yes, they only consider you a friend.

>>212879001
thats some nightmare fuel there

VOY > ENT

There, I said it.

>>212878950
And the showrunners didn't even have the decency to pull a Pulaski on her and claim her character went somewhere else for a year? Somehow I hate Discovery even more now.

>>212879073
Pretty sure Pulaski was killed falling down a turbolift shaft.

>>212879030
Dog food > dog shit
No one is arguing against your position.

>>212879029
You have something against nude-colored bodysuits? You may wish to consider the possibility that you're a faggot.

>>212879223
sort of but its mostly the giant horror clown alien

>>212879030
Meh

>>212879254
giant girls > short stacks

>>212878950
is this real?

>>212879280
debatable but horror clown aliens are not girls or like girls

>>212879173
Do not judge ENT for what it was, judge ENT for what it could had been had the director of CBS not been a faggot

>tfw you'll never hang out with your blind incel black friend and fight intergalactic wars with your combat bone

>>212879223
>Kim doesn't even have an Ensign's pip in that AI slop timeline.

>>212879094
Pretty sure she's repeatedly getting nailed by RIker's dad.

>>212879345
They're just friends now.

>>212879030
Yes, you express this opinion rather frequently tripfag. I’d hate you for it, but you know your Trek. ENT>VOY all day everyday

>>212879311
I'll judge ENT for being an extended Sam Beckett leap that Al neglected to rescue him from for no clear reason.

>>212879398
>>212879030
i judge ENT on a season by season basis and VOY by regular standards. too close to call.

>>212879390
That's some serious incel coping there, anon, even by 4chan standards.

>>212879398
The fact remains that the stories of Enterprise are never discussed, only the coom.

>>212879444
Did you bother to watch the episode? I mean it's obvious you didn't.

>>212879450
I think most of us burned out on the "stories" where every episode of TOS involved a mortal threat to the ship that Scotty somehow fixed in the nick of time.

>>212879450
the best ENT stuff is either porthos-centric or riffs on TOS/TNG plots.

>>212879403

>>212879474
I did. Why do you assume everyone tells the plain truth at all times and has no ulterior motives? There's autism & then there's whatever you have.

>>212879478
I don't think you've watched TOS or a lot of Star Trek in general if you are unaware that it's all about the writing and the stories. But maybe after 10 or so more watchthroughs, you'll be able to discuss Star Trek on the level of /trek/'s best posters.

Stick with it, anon!

>>212879512
>filename

>>212879485
I remember that episode! I spent the whole thing waiting for Dean Stockwell's character to reveal himself as Al and to tell Archer he was just having an extended leap. Imagine my disappointment.

>>212879450
And what glorious coom it is
>>212879485
The best stuff in enterprise is the Andorians.

ENT is extremely cozy. I'll point to Season 2, Episode 5: "A Night in Sickbay"

Where Captain Archer spends the night in Flox's medbay while Flox helps Porthos get well.

>>212879518
Wow, so much to look forward to. I'm just trembling with anticipation.

>>212879540
You're still on a whole other level. And that's nothing to be proud of.

This guy definitely sounds like a Star Trek fan to me and not someone with virulent contempt for the series!
>>212879478
>>212879590

Shran is strangely really good at comforting people on their death/sickbeds and making them feel loved and not scared? Unexpectedly wholesome.

>>212879622
You're just jealous of the superior intellect.
I'm laughing at you.

>>212879567
okay the best EPISODES and STORIES in ENT are far away from andorians. sure it's always better when Shran is on screen but you get shit like Aenar.

>>212879623
I have all of TOS, TNG, ENT, and LD on DVD, as well as the first 10 movies, and I've downloaded everything, including Star Trek series I'll never watch. Now why do you suppose I did that?

>>212879654
>you get shit like Aenar.
I just watched this one and I hated it

>>212876816 (OP)
People actually watch Nu-Trek?

>>212879640
>superior intellect

>>212879654
I’ll agree with that distinction. A lot of the andorian episodes are coupled with stupid Vulcan shit.

>>212879567
I hate that stupid ship so god damn much

>>212879667
Autism? A desire to identify as a nerd? A lack of narrative comprehension? There could be a lot of explanations for why you identify as a Star Trek fan while what the series is all about sailed right over your head like one of those wooden Bajoran shitwind crafts.

You could just be really fucking stupid like most other Nu Trek fans.

Grrrrrrrr.....

>>212879726
Enterprise-J, baby. CGI slop design at its finest.

>>212876919
These numbers need work

itt

what star trek characters would be on the epstein list?

>>212879877
Julian Bashir

>>212879877
Neelix

>>212879877
Vic Mignogna Kirk

>>212879877
Dukat obviously! He would probably tell people he's going to release it to gain support and at the last second act like it doesn't exist!

>>212879877

>>212879877
Dax
Morn
Rom
Dukat
Harry Kim
Neelix
Malcolm
Geordi
Barclay

>>212879928
Kek

>>212879877
>>212879989
Also Wesley (because he was diddled)

>>212879731
I'm more nerd than you'll ever be. Your NEETness can't hold a candle to my STEMlord nature. I'm actually building the future, instead of just drooling all over it. But you'll have to do it without me for now.

>>212879965
>>212879989
neelix canonically likes powerful ladies
>Dax
at least four of them
>Rom
can't afford it
>Harry Kim
>Geordi
permanent virgins, impossible
>Barclay
3dpd

>>212879989
The Grand Nagus, Brunt, and other leading Ferengi too no doubt

>>212879989
Curzon was basically like space Jefferey Epstein

>>212879946
But Dukat cares about his children and doesn't try to fuck them, unlike a certain orange pah wraith.

>>212880067
As far as we know...

>>212880067
>But Dukat cares about his children
bruh

>>212879584
ent has the most solid first seasons of any show. the rest need the 'growing the beard' thing, tos aside.

>>212880067
>Damar kills Ziyal
>I did it for Cardassia?
>...Yeah alright, we're cool Damar. Anyway, I'm gonna go be a Pah Wraith now, take it easy.

DS9 s8 ep12, "The Nagus Files"

>>212880102
>>212880118
Skipping over the total mental break down he had first.
For shame...

>>212876816 (OP)
how did that guy make it to age 94 and how do i do the same

>>212880151
Sure, you can go with the whole "Post S5 Dukat isn't canon" view. I respect it. They definitely hard reversed course on his character arc.

if Ziyal was into and pushed the issue, Dukat would've fucked her

>>212880151
her dying was a triggering event but it wasn't because he actually cared about her

>>212880181
Eat fetus's

>>212880189
This guy is definitely one of the Nu Trek posters because he is definitely a pedophile.
>Dukat didn't care about Ziyal
Of course he did, you weird fuck. He would never fuck Ziyal, she's a filthy half-breed and he only wants pure Bajoran milf pussy.

>>212880224
>>212880189
ziyal dying was another bajoran "abandoning" him despite his loving patronage

There are two Dukats. Pre-Behr and Post-Behr.

>>212880184
>>212880189
If you two lovebirds are done kissing.
You're also ignoring the fact that Dukat threw away his career and his wife left him over the fact he decided to take Ziyal back instead of killing her at the camp. Or the fact he was going to overlook her conspiring with the Federation and then stayed with her corpse, ignoring his own safety. The orange pedo wraith would have abandoned his kids at first convenience, unless he was trying to fuck them.
Shows Dukat is a much stronger man.

>>212880246
Waltz is pure kino.

>>212876919
Implying SNWfags like STD is too grave an insult, even for NuTrek

>>212880224
>Of course he did, you weird fuck.
He didn't. In the end he didn't care that Damar killed her. And what he actually cared about was her as a source of total and complete validation which was basically all he wanted in life from anyone. Kira, Sisko, Weyoun, etc. She was a total godsend in that case. She was his flying monkey and totally believed in him. A perfect source of supply. That's how narcissists work. When he said
>I couldn't live if you hated me
he meant that shit.

>>212880272
>You're also ignoring the fact that Dukat threw away his career and his wife left him over the fact he decided to take Ziyal back instead of killing her at the camp.
I'm not going to hand it to him for not killing his own daughter in cold blood because he felt too guilty in the moment and probably part of it was the fact that he didn't want Kira to see that.

>>212880284
Character assassination kino but kino nonetheless

>>212876943
he called his autobiography "Get A Life! Wiliam Shatner"
I have it on my bookshelf next to George Lucas's autobiography "George Lucas: A Life", its a little joke I left there for keen eyed observers (but mostly for myself)

>>212879989
For your information, Barclay is only freaky toward proper women

>>212880336
>Just ignoring the fact he sacrificed his entire life for Ziyal
>He didn't care
ComeOnMan.jpg

>>212880348
it's not even character assassination, it's subtle failure of character assassination. SISKO is the real villain of the episode, Dukat was a broken mentally ill person but Sisko keeps taunting and pushing those ideas onto him until he fucking snaps.

>>212876943
Shatner says this yet he writes multiple fan-fictions of Captain Kirk's extended adventures after the wet fart that was Generations.
He can't deny he is more alike to those fags in /tg/ than he is to Patrick Steward who needs to be constantly reminded how to Picard.

>>212876816 (OP)
hey at least we got one more t'pol appearance out of it

>>212880383
He didn't sacrifice his entire life. his career got set back and he lost face. that's not "sacrificing your life." especially as a parent. his life went on just fine and even he didn't really care because he was just like
>Whatever I can get it all back

even he doesn't believe that shit so why do you?

>Whoa, Reg. Hold on a moment. That holo program is NOT okay. Look I know it may be technically legal in this sector and that race is older than they look but that doesn't make it right. I'm sorry but I have to inform the captain if you don't go and talk to Deanna right now.

>>212880406
Sisko is also mentally ill so its just a battle between two schizos.

>>212880410
Picard is not a likeable character for one. The TNG cast in general is too sterile and Pat always had more "serious" work to do in the 80s and 90s.
Xavier was perfect for him because he was already mostly retired by then

Just FYI but the entire Ziyal subplot was actually written by Marc Alaimo's friend as a deliberate attempt to make Dukat an antihero. And it worked but eventually Behr got too much power and essentially did a hard reset on Dukat.

>>212880450
yes, its fucking glorious. all the poo wraith magic bullshit might legit be straight up delusions at that point.

>>212880423
He went from a Gul to a freighter captain and his wife left him.
Your gaslighting doesn't change that fact he flushed away his life and career for his daughter. It shows his determination that he clawed it all back.

>>212880538
nothing I said is gaslighting. throwing around buzzwords you don't understand isn't gonna make your watsonian cope any more convincing.

>>212880538
This. We have to assume that Dukat loved his daughter on some level because he knew what would happened if her existence was revealed and ultimately he chose to protect her as best he could.

>>212880594
the
>on some level
is the key phrase here.

>>212880558
>Doubles down on gaslighting
AnAttemptWasMade.jpeg

>>212880594
dukat loved the idea of ruling bajor and bajorans and them needing his rulership. thats the case from ep1 onward.

>>212880463
I don't see why they didn't just do a more defined version of the Ekos plot where Dukat after extended suffering caused in consequence to his actions learns that fascism is le bad and strives to turn a new leaf with what is left of Cardassia.

>>212880646
because that would have been stupid and would have sucked. that's why.

>>212880658
Possibly correct, but it would had been less dumb than him becoming space satan.

you can't fucking fix him. you shouldn't even want to. he's perfect the way he is and that's why everyone loves him.

>>212880613
I actually regret writing that bit because there's nothing in the story to indicate that he didn't fully love her.

>>212880646
Somehow I get the feeling that Behr wasn't the driving force behind any subtlety in DS9. Literally the season after Robert Hewitt Wolfe left, who apparently was one of the driving forces behind making Dukat a morally grey character, we got pic related.

>>212880705
He was such a wise, efficient, and benevolent administrator that Kira's mom rewarded him with sex. Also it's tough to be a worse government than provisional gov so maybe it's true-ish.

>Kira's mom owes me sex - Gul Dukat

>>212880733
i'm talking about from a character and fandom perspective. these calls for a "redemption arc" are misguided. he shouldn't be redeemed.

See, I told you guys. Star Trek discussion drives them off like bug spray.

lol that all the new ship designs in the SNW s3 opening sequence were unauthorized models tossed in by the effects company that did the opening so they're never going to appear in the show

>>212880762
Well from a dramatic perspective nothing can beat the ruination of everything Dukat loves due to his personal choices. Proper greek tragedy in the original Klingon.

>>212880762
Obviously, nobody should forgive him for his actions, but him displaying rationality and regret after getting his family and society wrecked by pursuing space authoritarianism isn't...bad.

>>212880883
he does not care about any of that. Damar does which is why he got that arc instead.

>>212878218

Could this technology be applied to breast expansion? Asking for a friend.

>>212880947

Chakotay? You.....look different.

>>212880883
That makes the bold assumption that authoritarians have the ability for self reflection and wouldn't just blame everyone but themselves.
There's a reason Damar got the redemption arc.

>>212880791
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>>212879631
>It's hard to be strong.
>You make it look easy. Keep being strong...for me.
uwu

I love old Trek art of stuff we never saw on film

>>212880762
>he shouldn't be redeemed.

He shouldn't have been redeemed but he should have stayed true to character rather than going mad.

Dukat is driven by egotism, narcissism, a desire for power, nationalism, the belief that his people are destined to rule and on the more positive end loyalty to his people.

Now in a scenario where the Founders have stripped him of his power and have subjugated his people to being cannon fodder who no longer have control of their own homeland what is a man like Dukat going to do?

He's going to fight the founders; because his ego, his desire for power, and his loyalty to his people have all been slighted. That doesn't mean that he's redeeemed, it doesn't mean that he's abandoning his dreams of being a conquering dictator, its simply him being driven to do the right thing by his own principles the same way as he did when he fought his one man war against the Klingons and when he made his faustian bargain with the Dominion. At every turn he does what he thinks will make Cardassia strong.

That is until after he goes nuts when he becomes a demon possessed loon who's inexplicably obsessed with Sisko.

They should have done one of two things with Dukat. He joins Dumar's rebellion and eventually Dumar decides that he has to go because "his Cardassia is dead and its not coming back" and Dumar offs him. Or he makes it all the way to the end when the Dominion starts destroying Cardassia and the outrage of it is enough for him to put aside everything else and focus on saving his people which results in him getting killed and Kira and Garak lamenting the fact that the son of a bitch is going to get to be remember as a hero even though he doesn't deserve it.

Besides the whole Pah Wraith plot with Kai Winn would have been more interesting if her lover was a Pah Wraith possesed changeling who planned on letting the Pah Wraiths free so they could possess the great link.

>>212881356
>He's going to fight the founders
No. he is the one who sold his people out in the first place. he doesn't get to get "redeemed" by then doing a face turn and "saving" them. it's HIS fucking fault and that needed to be the point driven home by the end.

yeah Damar killing him would have been ideal but whatever

>>212881403
NTA but Cardassia would have been steamrolled by the Dominion if Dukat hadn't sold them out, so him turning on the Dominion to free Cardassia actually works on that level.

>>212876842
>Yeah. That's me. You might be wondering how I got here.

>>212881403
>he is the one who sold his people out in the first place

He didn't sell out his people. He did what he thought would make them strong. And him being loyal to his people is in character, that's why he was a good character up to season 6 and not a retarded mustache twirling villain.

He's still a xenophobic power hungry womanizing fascist. He's just happens to be a xenophobic power hungry womanizing fascist who's fighting to liberate his people.

>>212881494
no it doesn't. he knew he was selling them out he just figured it was worth the price because it would give HIM his power back. he admits it.

>>212881517
>He didn't sell out his people.
he did. he literally acknowledges he did it. i can't talk to you people who literally don't even know what goes on in the show. this
>LOYAL TO HIS PEOPLE
shit is such bullshit. DUKAT SAYS THAT. that doesn't make it true. he has delusions of grandeur, megalomania and narcissism. you can't just parrot his worldview as if it's fucking reality.

>>212877435
Slash fans have been infecting Trek since the TOS era. Do not give them an inch or you'll end up with another Star Trek the New Voyages fiasco.

>>212881547
and that's a redemption arc if at the eleventh hour he risks everything to save Cardassia and his people. You can have your opinion but it's bullshit to act like it would be narratively impossible to have Dukat rebel against the Dominion for the greater good of his people.

>>212881547
>he did. he literally acknowledges he did it

"Cardassia was on the edge of an abyss"

https://youtu.be/Po51-XOuWpo?t=132

>>212881547
>shit is such bullshit. DUKAT SAYS THAT. that doesn't make it true. he has delusions of grandeur, megalomania and narcissism. you can't just parrot his worldview as if it's fucking reality.

Really? Then why does he continually risk his ass for his people? No villain is ever the villain in their own mind. Thinking that your enemies could have no virtue is a juvenile concept.

>>212881641
using mental gymanstics to make a villian have to be good deep down and trying to do the right thing so you can justify liking them is a juvenile concept. i like Dukat BECAUSE he's not good and BECAUSE he can't be redeemed. the nuance of why he's evil is what makes him great.

>>212881615
>>212881641
the state of cardassia is a reflection on him personally so of course he can't abandon it but turning on the dominion would also be an admission of his personal failures and that's impossible. guiding his people to suicide rush to save the quadrant so he can be remembered as a hero to the (non-cardassian) people whose opinions he cares about? maybe could work.

>>212881615
>and that's a redemption arc if at the eleventh hour he risks everything to save Cardassia and his people.

I don't think it is and I'm the one advocating it. The whole point is that Dukat is a ruthless power hungry nationalist who wants his people to be strong. The same motivation that makes him a war monger to make his people strong also leads him to fight for them when he needs them. The nationalist and the tribalist can be useful to you when they're on your side; but they're still dangerous.

>using mental gymanstics to make a villian have to be good deep down and trying to do the right thing so you can justify liking them is a juvenile concept.

I didn't say he was good. Thinking that a desire to defend your people and make them strong at all costs is inherently good or bad is a juvenile concept.

A character who's an unrepentant fascist who still wants to be dictator and still wants to conquer the galaxy is not redeemed. He's simply on your side for the moment.

When Stalin was killing Nazis was he the good guy? Or was he still a genocidal totalitarian asshole?

>>212881615
>and that's a redemption arc if at the eleventh hour he risks everything to save Cardassia and his people.

I don't think it is and I'm the one advocating it. The whole point is that Dukat is a ruthless power hungry nationalist who wants his people to be strong. The same motivation that makes him a war monger to make his people strong also leads him to fight for them when they need him. The nationalist and the tribalist can be useful to you when they're on your side; but they're still dangerous.

>>212881673

>using mental gymanstics to make a villian have to be good deep down and trying to do the right thing so you can justify liking them is a juvenile concept.

I didn't say he was good. Thinking that a desire to defend your people and make them strong at all costs is inherently good or bad is a juvenile concept.

A character who's an unrepentant fascist who still wants to be dictator and still wants to conquer the galaxy is not redeemed. He's simply on your side for the moment.

When Stalin was killing Nazis was he the good guy? Or was he still a genocidal totalitarian asshole?

I don't see what's different between Dukat setting his lot with the Founders and Sisko setting his lot with the Cardassians to begin with, defending them from the Maquis and later the Klingons only to be rewarded by them siding against the Federation anyway. Sisko already went beyond the pale with his convictions and never really admitted he was wrong but cut ties with them when their hostility was impossible to ignore, so it wouldn't be a stretch for Dukat to do the same with the Dominion.

>>212881747
>nationalist
>defend your people
i think you've misunderstood his reasoning. he believes all of cardassia is 100% behind whatever he does because in his own mind he cannot take any action that would harm cardassia because he's basically perfect already and any weaknesses come from people not agreeing with him.

>>212881778
I mean Dukat basically agreed to make Cardassian a subjugated race in exchange for military force. That's not quite comparable to Sisko's machinations.

>>212881771
>I don't think it is
Well you're wrong. Dukat rebeling against the Dominion wouldn't make him a good guy or any less power hungry.

>>212881778
To be fair though, the Cardassians did pull out for the Federation in the end, after they got bombed to shit and betrayed.
The irony is that if the Maquis had kept their heads down for longer they would had survived to see their colonies become part of the Federation again.

>>212876816 (OP)
The CGI Nickelodeon show blew my fucking mind. When I saw screenshots of it I thought it was gay.
When I heard "but it has cool cameos" I thought it was gay.
but then I realized that it's serial planet-of-the-week that reached into peak Voyager/ENT-Xindi Arc territory.
Damn, not bad.

It was a great Trek show.
Prodigy

Damn. I was shocked.
And then the cameos were amazing
>Jellico
>Barclay

>>212881828
>Well you're wrong. Dukat rebeling against the Dominion wouldn't make him a good guy or any less power hungry.

Agreed, that's what I said.

Anon said....

>and that's a redemption arc

I said....

>I don't think it is.

>>212881320
>Earth Space Probe Agency

>>212881320
Star Trek Continues is fucking great.
Also, most people never get around to S3 of TOS which has EVA suits, phaser rifles and tons of crazy ass shit.

>>212881877
No. It's still a redemption arc. It doesn't mean he's washed of his sins or failings, it just means he redeems himself in some manner. Are you new to stories? Having a villain redeem himself at the climax in some manner but still pay for his sins in some way or remain an adversary is a cliche.

>>212881805

That's what Dukat says in the 6th and 7th season after he's lost his mind. I think you're correct that Ira Steven Behr wanted Dukat to be just a pure egotist and that's what he has him become in the last two seasons.

What I'm saying is that concept makes Dukat a less interesting and less realistic character than the power hungry ultra nationalist he was in the first 5 seasons.

Dukat is a villain and he should stay a villain, he shouldn't be redeemed; but despite all that having him on your side because he cares about Cardassia even if only as an extension of his own ego makes for a more compelling character than a man who doesn't care about anything but himself.

>>212881996
>having him on your side makes for a more cliche and tropey character that I can wrap my tiny brain around

ftfy

>>212881320
The budget murdered the poor shuttle...

>>212881974

No, I feel redemption requires good intent. A character who does something that the other character's perceive as positive; but whose intentions are still bad isn't redeemed.

For example. When Gollum bites Frodo's finger off to get the ring of power back in the Lord of the Rings and then falls into Mount Doom destroying the ring and defeating Sauron that is clearly a positive act that helps save the protagonists and the world. But is Gollum redeemed? He didn't take the ring into the fire because he wanted to save the world he did it because all he cared about was getting his precious ring back.

That's what I'm suggesting they should have done with Dukat. He's helping you, maybe he even gets to die a heroic death and his people remember him fondly; but he isn't really redeemed and he isn't really a hero because in his heart he still wanted to be dictator and he still wanted to conquer the galaxy.

>>212881996
It's around the end of S5 before the madness when he's retaken ds9. He's the undefeatable living legend Dukat before the death of Ziyal and thats why it hits him so hard.

>>212882123
Yes, Dukat can save Cardassia because he doesn't want his people to be subservient or perish. That's good intent and consistent with his character and doesn't overwrite his desire to be a rapist dictator of Bajorans. Your view of Dukat is extremely black-or-white and really sort of insulting to a really interesting villain. I have to go to bed now so good luck.

>>212882175
>overwrite his desire to be a rapist dictator of Bajorans
he doesn't want that. he wanted to be beloved by Bajorans. you actually have no idea what you're saying you just have it in your mind that Dukat = Hitler and go from there. you understand actually nothing about him.

>>212881848
It's a shame Prodigy got written off for being a kids show when the kids show premise kept the retards who want to turn Star Trek into action shlock at bay.

>>212882123
Well, you watch Nu Trek, so your opinion must be dismissed sadly

>>212882772

I don't watch anything past ENT

>>212877182
If it wasn't for slavery, pakleds would be our metaphor for subsaharan africans.

>>212882833

You're the guy who spaces after every post link like this, and yes, you're one of the main nu trek shills.
Fuck off or learn how to post without an obvious signature if you intend to be a more accomplished liar.

I like that ENT episode about the aliens doing their own version of the PD where they just watch while Hoshi and Trip succumb to a disease with mild amusement and betting on what might happen based on the past aliens who encountered it. And then Archer lectures them about how humans are da best in the whole universe cuz we have faith of the heart and they dont and they agree and change their ways. I feel its also what Kirk probably would've done.

>>212877111
>Lower Drecks got canceled because the writers got too cocky and thought they can pretend to be Rian Johnson.
What did they do?

>>212882959

Sorry Holmes; but you're way off base. The only Nu Treks I've ever seen were the first two Abrams Treks and I'm not a fan of either of them.

wtf is gorn

>>212883056
I hope SNW will correct its decisions by showing the FASA Gorn lore is true.

tfw no monke pixie gf

https://youtu.be/5ONWV2Y9zpo?si=uh43gFTNajJ70xmj

>>212882928
The idea Lincoln was middling is a misconception due to political manipulation. His private communications have revealed his intentions and views on slavery were consistent through youth, to presidency, his morals never changed ha simply had to smile and nod and racists in power he needed to manipulate any man who has actually worked despises the idea, and he was a real man. Friendly reminder he was a republican conservative and neither parties interest has changed. The welfare state is the democrat war mongers meat grinder slave pool and the get out the ghetto sports ball pipeline is just pt for their military started in kindergarten

>>212885225
>Namefag
>Democrat warmongers
The Dems didn't start the war in Iraq and they didn't bomb Iran because Israel told them to

>Hosts a conspiracy theory show at like 94 years old
How can one man be so based?

>>212885225
he was still a real ass war criminal but nobody cares

one thing that feels like an unresolved issue that DS9 never got round to wrapping up - SURELY Section 31 would want to assassinate/punish Julian for causing Sloan's death?
Surely the most omniscient omnipotent organisation in the Alpha Quadrant would seek revenge?
Perhaps against Miles too.

>>212876816 (OP)
how does one image cause so much seethe?

>>212885483
This is the first thing I read and though I agree I'm not in a /trek/ thread to argue partisan bullshit so im gonna post picrel because no one will argue it then I'm gonna get a coffee

>>212886028
section 31 might not exist

>>212876842
How did writers predict women would be mad about this scenario?

>>212886519
Picrel
>no coffee no talkie
>no toast no post
Good morning anons

What went wrong?

>>212876816 (OP)
shatner is based and out of all the oldmos he looks the healthiest too

>>212879877
Data Lore.

>>212886572
did he try to defend it?
did anyone?

>>212886572
>what went wrong
Nu trek is an abomination

>>212886640
No he just dropped it completely.
Everyone else looked the other way and pretended it didn't exist.
I myself was never going to watch it to begin with.

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>>212880791
No, I merely went to bed.

>>212882959
t. NEET who tracks his mother's menstrual cycle

>>212886705
If this is an abomination, I'll take it.

He did say he was fully functional...