Thread 212886642

Why do old war and military movies feel so much more realistisch and impactful? What did they do differently?

Shot on film.

>>212886663
yeah this makes such a huge difference and isn't really replicable in the end.

>>212886642 (OP)
These guys were 28 and 31, respectively

>>212886642 (OP)
modern day directors don't know anything about staging or blocking. every conversation needs to be a shot-reverse-shot or walk-and-talk. it's so boring. look at nolan. his directing style is so bland.

Half of the guys in those movies were WW2 veterans or had other military background and it shows, those were men unlike nufaggots

>>212886642 (OP)
because they used boomers who weren't afraid to get in the mud and do front rolls spraying their submachine guns

>>212886642 (OP)
A lot of the actors, writers and directors were in the war so they know what it's supposed to be like

>>212886642 (OP)
some of those old actors were actually in the army

>>212886663
This + Sweat and Dirt

Even when actors are made to look dirty these days it doesn't feel real, more like they put some makeup on that'll wash out with a bit of rain.

>>212886663
They need to bring back movies shot on film before moviemaking dies completely.

I like how simple death scenes are in old war movies, guys just die and the movie moves on, maybe there's a shirt musical cue but that's it. Hits much harder than the theatralics and exaggerated oatjos of later movies. If the character is well done don't need to drive the point home, him dying is impactful enough.

>>212886663
in addition to:
>actual actors
>actual props
>good sound mixing
>good script, writing..
Nowadays everything is CGI + millennial/AI writing + ugly nepobabies everywhere

Not to mention that War movies today are just bland obvious propaganda

>>212887242
oh ok

>>212887191
I like how relatively bloodless they are. I know war wounds are bloody and gory but making it look like a horror movie doesn't improve the film for me. Just some red splotches on clothing is fine (plus they used actual squibs then)

>Why do British movies about WW2 feel more real?
They weren't hiding the whole time.

They had armies of extras instead of CGI. The movie Gettysburg is a fantastic example because they used the highly autistic civil war reinactors who brought their own uniforms and gear and would have ragequit if one blade of grass in the frame was inauthentic, they did allow some compromise with composite charecters.

>>212886642 (OP)
They were literally war veterans, anon. Even Alan Alda and Jamie Farr were Korea vets

One of Dunkirks major failings was BRAVO’s insistence on no CGI. So what was supposed to be a scene of hundreds of thousands of soilders tightly pressed into a beach looked like a few hundred guys just hanging out waiting for a boat ride like tourists on vacation.

>>212886642 (OP)
>impactful
Because we'd be speaking German if it wasn't for them. ...Wait a minute
>realistisch
NO

>>212886642 (OP)
Actors and writers were largely real people and/or veterans who had a baseline level of respect for the warrior class instead of generations of seething Jewish resentment learned from TV and public school.
1917 is the most disrespectful WWI film ever made.

>>212886682
Moore was 51, Burton was 53 at the time.

>>212887851
Early X through millenials had 19 years of endless war without the mass mobilization of a world war.

>>212886642 (OP)

But they all had the exact same gunshot sound effects. Takes me out of it.

>>212888291
Nobody in the film industry was involved.

>>212886642 (OP)

I gotta check out "Dark of the Sun" sometime. Looks brutal.

>>212888780
Just watched it last night. It kicks so much ass.

>>212886642 (OP)
Being only a couple decades out from the War probably helps. Attenborough, who directed A Bridge Too Far, was a combat filmer for the British army during the war.

>>212888291
Very few actually served in the wars. People are saying Warfare is very realistic - the director is an actual combat veteran.

>>212886754
>if you don't risk your life for risk, you aren't a real man

>>212886642 (OP)
Best war movies?

>>212889270
t. gay

>>212886642 (OP)
Many were veterans such as Jessie Ventura and the cast received real training. Predator benefited hugely from it since they acted like real soldiers would and used tactics/lingo taught to them by real soldiers

Apone in Aliens too. Helped whip the cast into shape

Anons learn you can just hire people in the military to advise you on military-related matters

>>212888780
>>212888816
Based movie, there's rumours about an x rated cut and things like that but if it hasn't turned up by now it probably never existed

>>212886642 (OP)
They shot the extras

>>212886642 (OP)
Because they had real wars still going on in their lifetimes so it was easier to draw from. Now you just have terrorist shit like car bombs and that’s not easy to make a movie out of unless you make up 20 different evil organizations instead of just using the one that actually exists.

>>212889278
Not The Wild Geese.

Because the men act like men. Men in movies today act like women or children.

A big part is just the way men move. If you watch vietnam combat footage or the Africa Addio scenes where they're doing jungle assaults, you can see how actual people move when they get shot at. They make themselves as small as possible, they lurch from cover to cover, they lay down a lot. I think modern movies just choreograph too much, so every little action is designed to look as Cool as possible.

It's why stuff like the Air Force base attack in Dr Strangelove is so good, since all the extras were soldiers and air force MPs and were basically just doing battle drills on camera. The physicality is just better.

>>212891792
You can tell which actors have no experience with a firearm, they blink every time they pull the trigger. The guys who saw combat don't flinch

movies were made for adults then, now they're made for metrosexual lgbt teenagers and women who cry about ptsd when someone says a bad word
directors and actors likely had veteran background or at the very least working class backgrounds, people like bronson, lee marvin, etc who used to work in the mines or shit like that and had ugly faces but full of mature character instead of being fashion models and theater drama queens
godfather, lawrence of arabia were the popular blockbusters of their eras, not barbie and aquaman, audiences got gayer and dumber
used practical effects, now its all cgi and green screen, kino like the train blew up real traines, a bridge too far blew up real bridges, russian kino like war and peace and waterloo funded by the gov got thousands of army guys to play extras and blew real shit up etc
modern directors have capeshit comicbookbrain where violence can only be depict as "cool", slow motion dual akimbo backflip garbage, either that or they're try hard hipsters who think they're kubrick and have some deep le war is bad message because they can do symmetrical shots and long takes so you never get something genuine and raw
they're all libshit tards and gone full jew too so they despise goy warrior class, and when they make simple soldier movies it's low effort straight to video trash for the white male cattle, you can feel the contempt
war itself also got gayer and sterilized, drones, "surgical strikes" etc and is now only done for israel instead of nationalism so only broke retards still go to war
same way they ruined society with feminism etc, men were men and went to war because muh woman muh family at home, men as protectors and patriarchs, now most men have zero incentive to give a shit about anything

>>212886642 (OP)
>Why do old war and military movies feel so much more realistisch and impactful?
why do you lie?

only a few are realistic

>>212886642 (OP)
Movies set in the middle-east tend to pass the vibe check. I think Hollywood just didn't bother to explore the setting much. Part of it is surely because modern Hollywood is so hopelessly distant from the military and blue-collar people to the point that the actual military sends them consultants to help make things realistic and keep the PR good.

>>212887303
I like that too. It puts the focus on the person dying, not the wound. Their death would be just as much a shame if they had fallen down some stairs instead of getting blown up and dismembered.

>>212886642 (OP)
Many actors actually had military experience. Just search through the cast of the Great Escape
>>212886663
Fpbp

I made it about 30 seconds into The Wild Geese before shutting it off because of the horrendous musical score. The movie where Roger Moore blows up the German ship in India is decent though.

>>212891792
the whole "operator" fade has ruined so much shit. even in random comedy action movies people are constantly doing like center axis relock and shit for no fucking reason.
the john wickification of guns

>>212886754
Actually almost none of those men were veterans, many however kept acting in movies throughout the war, while others risked their lives on the frontline.

>>212886642 (OP)
>All Quiet on the Western Front
>Onoda: 10,000 Nights in the Jungle
>The Forgotten Battle
>Blizzard of Souls
>The Outpost
>Mosul
>Unknown Soldier
>Journey's End
>Hatred
>April 9th
>My Way
Plenty of modern war films better than boomerslop like The Dirty Dozen.

>>212889404
Not just Ventura. The guy playing Poncho was a vietnam vet too

>>212894694
Video game shit. Even realistic video games are cartoony so it doesn’t translate well to movies. It looks cooler so I can understand the temptation.

>>212894778
Richard Burton - WWII veteran
Hardy Krüger - Waffen-SS veteran
Stewart Granger - WWII veteran
Jack Watson - WWII veteran
Kenneth Griffith - WWII veteran
Jeff Corey - WWII veteran
Barry Foster - Air force
Ronald Fraser - military
Ian Yule - Korean war and real mercenary the film is based on
Brook Williams - Air force
Percy Herbert - WWII veteran / POW
Patrick Holt - WWII veteran who did missions behind enemy lines

12/14 adult male cast members in OP's film served in some capacity.

>>212886663
it's absolutely insane how 90% of boils down to this
compare Corman B-movies from the late 80s/early 90s to the stuff he started making for the Sci-Fi Channel in the 00s
identical budgets but a fraction of the soul purely because the old ones were shot on film and the new ones are digital
modern digital workflows can be indistinguishable from film if the cinematographer and editor knows what they're doing but half the time they don't color correct for shit

>>212887851
>1917 is the most disrespectful WWI film ever made.
yeah, it sucked

>>212886642 (OP)
Because WW2 happened in their lifetime.

>>212887851
>1917 is the most disrespectful WWI film ever made.
*blocks your path*
this movie legitimately pissed me off, probably the worst piece of shit I've ever paid money to see

>>212886642 (OP)
They were taken seriously. Nowadays war movies are too over the top and filled with bad CGI

>>212887303
>I like how relatively bloodless they are
just as if some wanted war to look like a fun adventure for young men such as yourself goy- I mean boy

>>212895603
Dirk Bogarde was one of the first people into the Bergen Belsen concentration camp. The guy saw some serious shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QaNCbig82Q

>>212886663
Lack of CGsloppa helps, too.

>>212893493
Its a great movie.

>>212887851
>>212896619
>1917 is the most disrespectful WWI film ever made.
Why?

>>212886642 (OP)
Done by people who actually had war experience.

Realistic effects and no CGI. Not because CGI BAD inherentli but actors react way differently if they are stuck in a actuall muddy trench with shit exploding nearby then if they are in a climatised studio surounded by green boxes and some faggots in greensuits and then have to make 100% make-belive.
Das Boot is great amongst many thing that its director was insane. Build a replice submarine, put it into a hangar, and spread around machine oil everywhere while the actors werent allow to leave the hanger all filiming so they would not tan, be missarable and only smell and feel claustrophobia and missery.
One actor broke his leg and he didnt allow the ambulance to take him until he was under a tarp and ensured he would be under a tarp in the hospital so he wouldnt tan.

>>212891058
>[Sidebar: Some viewers posting on the web insist that older, longer cuts exist of Dark of the Sun, showing more violence, gore, and sexual assaults. But no examples have appeared to back up the claim. The British Board of Film Classification gave the film a Certificate X rating on January 19, 1968, at 100 minutes and 25 seconds, the length of this Warner Archive Collection disc. But a couple of violent moments do look as if some trimming has been done — slightly mismatched action continuity suggests the removal of shots. Accounts of the filming and some stills do imply that more explicitly gruesome action was shot for a number of scenes. Perhaps Cardiff & Co. just went all-out, leaving the producer and the studio to pull back the excess. Is there a longer ‘international’ or ‘Continental’ version of The Mercenaries out there somewhere?

>>212896893
>WW1 movie
>center-Nigger
Also is that Rasputin? I dont know that movie but considering it looks like a modern Bong movie im going to assume the secret service Niger AKSHUALLY killed him before saying something how this is for womens rights

>>212887683
You know the OP pic isn't from MASH, right?

>>212898771
Made with the aforementioned seething resentment. WWI films made in Nazi Germany have more humanity.

>>212894694
>>212895254
I feel like Operator shit has even ruined actuall special forces because we have reached the point where actuall Politicians/the Vooters/Guys signing up for it are influenced by it where they expect some dudes who are somewhat better at shooting, surviving and not getting strung up by the locals to do some fucking Anime-horseshit 1vs1 100 dudes instead of doing recon and maybe blow some shit up/be a force multiplier.

There are few directors who are directly involved in the war.

>>212899051
NTA but can you give examples from the film? I havent watched it

>>212886663
Plenty of slop nowadays is shot on film, i dont know why /tv/ thinks it being shot on film is the only thing that matters lol

>>212898962
>Djimon Hounsou as Shola: A butler, member of Orlando's spy network and founding Kingsman Merlin.

>>212899170
German pilot crashes, is pulled out of his flaming cockpit & rescued by protagonists, he immediately throws his life away just to stab one to death.
Civilians behind German lines live like Anne Frank hiding from rape gangs but are overjoyed to see a British soldier break into their home
It was good = good, bad = bad in a way you won't see even in silent film.

>>212899517
>German pilot crashes, is pulled out of his flaming cockpit & rescued by protagonists, he immediately throws his life away just to stab one to death.
>in WW1
Even for WW2 that would be silly but for WW1 thats just harebrained. German pilots of that time were almost all Nobility and very highstrung on "chivraly"
How the fuck do you make a WW1 movie and go "Okay, so the germans were the Nazis in this one right?"

>>212898889
Case in point Masters of the Air vs Dunkirk for two modern attempts. Dunkirk didn’t have nearly enough planes but they made us of what they had. Masters looked like dog shit on evey level. The older warbird movies looked great for the era.

>>212898962
>WWI
>black people
>world war

>>212886642 (OP)
Many of the actors from that era had seen combat or at the least had performed military service of some sort.

>realistic (realistisch)
Bernd, this is not realistic. Soldiers used to be teenagers, not middle aged men. In Das Boot the captain called Old Man by the others was just in his mid 20s.

>>212887615
this movie is about mercenaries in Africa in the 70s, don't know why you mentioned WWII

>>212901213
Op's pic is from The Wild Geese which features mercenaries fucking around in Africa who WOULD have been teenagers/young men during WW2 and gotten their taste for fighting there.

>>212891792
Africa Addio mentioned. The Congo Mercenaries scene is intense as shit. Special mention to the guy who takes the mounted machine gun off his truck and sprays like a motherfucker into the jungle. I always imagine Jacopetti grinning like a lunatic when shooting stuff like that while Prosperi is behind him, wondering if he should've jumped ship after Mondo Cane 2.