This is incredible.

Movies like these are such precious cinematic red pills. 1997. The definition of a 6/10 generic Sunday night thriller for the late 90's. No one remembers it, no one gives a shit about it. This was completely standard. Watch it today with opened eyes and it will melt your brain. I always get the same whiplash when I launch a completely forgotten 90's thriller with mediocre scores. I can't believe what I'm watching. If it came out today, it'd be praised as a masterpiece.

I'm only 15 minutes in.

I check the wikipedia critical reaction. Critics from 30 years ago just treated it like standard crap. Because it was. It was just this generic vehicle for these two actors with a formulaic thriller movie plot and that's all they saw. I watch it today with today's eyes and all I see is the visual craft on display. This lost art. This competency crisis. This texture of celluloid film. this Hollywood lighting at its peak, before they decided to throw it all away.

It's directed by a woman. I went in with the worst fears. And I'm blown away.

It's the kind of shit everyone jerks off Nolan for these days. Just standard in its time, I really want to drill this point.

Those first 15 minutes are just a story prologue. A heist. We follow a train in Russia carrying a nuke, and a rogue military unit killing everyone on board and stealing the nuke.

The first 15 minutes. Without the two stars. Taking its time. Just following this object, this train. Russians in uniforms, no English, basically no dialogue, only visual exposition. All shot by night, high contrast, atmospheric, smoke everywhere. Silent tension in every shot. Shots are held for longer than 10 seconds, and framed purposefully, meaningfully, elegantly. There are long takes. Spielberg oners, with exquisite staging. Showing real, large scale practical sets. Cinematic character intros. Clever elipses. My god, the lack of cuts and CGI, all that cancer, gives me such whiplash.

We lost so much, it's insane.

The commandos with the glowing red goggles and laser sights looked really cool.

It's incredible how distant the pre-9/11, pre-smartphone zeitgeist feels even though 30 years is barely a blink of the eye in the larger scheme of things. This is what the invention of steam engines and cheaply manufactured steel must have felt like.

>>212903374 (OP)
Ok, I'm downloading it.

Does anyone understand what the fuck I'm talking about. Look at this shit. Restrained, elegant. Communicates so much with every little camera movement all while painting a larger picture, everything feels done with a purpose. It's like visual music to my eyes. It's like if David Lean directed Tom Clancy shlock. Effortless and not showy, not like all these self aware hacks trying so hard to do long takes these days for letterboxd jerking off. It's just what was expected of Hollywood profesisonalism back then. Show me one modern movie that looks like this and is paced like this. Even the shit that gets sold to us as oscar-worthy these days looks like cheap amateur crap or feels like try hard film student masturbation.

Yeah, filmmaking really is a lost craft in Hollywood. Any random scene, even a simply conversation between 2 or 3 people is shot 1000 times better than anything today, it's ridiculous.

>>212903374 (OP)
pic related is another movie like this

Pretty sure I saw this in the theatre. I used to see all of the movies in the mid/late 99’s. Nowadays I never see anything.

>>212903374 (OP)
YOU STUPID PEACEMAKER MANG

>>212903374 (OP)
>The definition of a 6/10 generic Sunday night thriller for the late 90's. No one remembers it, no one gives a shit about it. This was completely standard.
Exactly. And retards on /tv/ like you claim movies were better back then. 6/10 is charitable. It's really a solid 4. Movies have sucked forever. But we only remember the good ones.

Welcome to pre post-modern cinema. A world free of irony…paradise really. We didn’t know it then and can’t recreate to now.

>>212903374 (OP)
Whener someone tries that tired spiel about how there were always bad movies and nothing really changed, I tell them to check top 50 movies from 1996 to shut them up.

>>212903374 (OP)
>stops movie viewing to wiki scroll and 4chan post
>>212904054
>creating webms instead of watching the film

>>212904192
>Whener someone tries that tired spiel about how there were always bad movies and nothing really changed, I tell them to check top 50 movies from 1996 to shut them up.
op is literally demonstrating that movies were always bad. are you seriously simping for peacemaker? it was bad and that type of movie was common.

>>212903374 (OP)
very well put, op. right in every aspect. i watch movies that i considered just ok at the time (underworld, rush hour) and they feel like masterpieces with how much better everything is, how much more meat there is in those movies, how better they captivate than most these days

>>212904221
You completely missed OPs point you brown European

>>212904221
Yes and it would be top ranked movie if it came out today.

>>212904265
Is peacemaker a good movie or not? It's not. And op literally said these movies were common. So there were indeed a lot of movies back then that were bad. You're literally denying reality.

>>212903374 (OP)

Yeah the leap into garbage was when shooting digital was pushed into the mainstream.

Suddenly almost all of the craftsmanship built over decades was thrown away because "we can fix it in post" mentality kicked in. Everyone started halfassing it. Lighting was halfassed (since everything needed to be evenly lit for digital for easy compositing). Props were edited in, clothes went from worn and authentic to fresh off the racks stuff, haircuts went from realistic to overstyled. everyone suddenly started being overgroomed since they were going for that pristine crisp NEW digital look. Glazing over total blandless. Actors and actresses and directors started phoning it in. Why bother going all out since they can halfass 20 takes then just pick and choose stuff in post. Competency went out the window.
Before that they HAD to get it right since they were using actual film and processing and filming and so on took effort and money and hey would see dailies after a delay so shit needed to be tip top on set instead of the director sitting in some cuck booth watching 5 screens going "ehh, it's alright, we'll fix it in post"

>>212904054
I know what you're talking about, man.
I only have this one from the 90s on my laptop - Prince of Jutland (1994), nobody saw this shit when it came out.
A random shot in the movie - Gabriel Byrne just sitting still. If this shot is done today by a hack like Villeneuve plebs will praise it as visionary and put in those 3x3 graphs.

>>212904288
>Yes and it would be top ranked movie if it came out today.
According to who? You? You have nothing to qualify that statement.

>>212904300
He is saying it's better than most slop made TV retard. This is more a critique on how modern movies are so shit that average movies from the 90's mog them

>>212904234
underworld is a piece of shit. you're delusional. and yeah yeah before you start
>MOVIES THESE DAYS ARE LE TERRIBLE THESE KIDZ BETTER GET OFF YOUR LAWN
You're old and every old fuck talks like this. You aren't special or unique with this take.

>>212904370
So you're literally simping for peacemaker. Go fuck yourself you low standard brown trash.

Pay attention to how the camera is gliding, panning, zooming, lingering... to reveal new information or paint a whole scene, instead of cutting cutting cutting.

Pay attention to... just the visual texture, I don't know how to really put this into words. This pure sexiness of too much smoke in the dark making the scene feel almost otherwordly. The car being the only light source in the frame. The cliche of introducing a character status from the footwear, etc. It's all so effective, cinegenic. It's in every frame. Just good production values and good craft.

>>212904447
Dumb esl poster

>>212904441
>So you're literally simping for peacemaker
You really are an ESL brown European considering I never said this

>>212904486
Then you admit peacemaker was bad. And op said those movies were common. So movies back then were bad. Glad we agree. Movies being bad today doesn't negate the shittieness of 90s movies.

>>212904447
It's got layers. This is something you rarely see nowadays. I don't know if modern directors don't study paintings and photography, but they forgot that an image is interesting and has depth if you have things closer, further away, at random medium distances.

>>212904528
I never seen peacemaker in my life retard ESL

>>212904594
Exactly you fucking retard. You don't even know what you're arguing about because you haven't even seen the movie.

I feel bad for the "it's just nostalgia!!!1" people. They just don't know better, or aren't capable of knowing it.

>>212904395
good take. now name 3 vampire or werewolf action movies that are Better than underworld and were made since.

>>212904617
>You don't even know what you're arguing about
I am not arguing about it ESL though you would know this if you understood English

>>212904594
>literally admitting you haven't seen the movie
then.... you don't even know what we're talking about

>>212904621
Either zoomers or unironic retards who think things like art progress in a linear fashion, so obviously something from 30 years ago can't be better than something new today.

>>212904709
You haven't seen the movie. You're not part of this conversation.

>>212904716
Exactly. These brown posters can't even follow the conversation lmao

>>212904316
The joke here is Wes Anderson literally directed fantastic Mr Fox over the phone and it’s still completely exceptional.

>>212904716
I wasn't critiquing the movie ESL
>>212904761
>replying to his own phone post
>no u are the brown one
This thread is about OP making an argument that older average movies are better than current movies ESL

This a normie action movie in the 90's. Not an arthouse drama. Not an oscar bait. The MCU of its time.

I repeat. This is not a Tarkovsky joint. This is not a Michael Cimino vanity project. This is about some Spetnaz baddies stealing a nuke. This is the Dark Knight Rises intro.

Count the number of cuts. Compare it to any modern equivalent.

>>212903374 (OP)
THE PEACEMAKER is pretty good desu. Rock solider techno-thriller that's not a Tom Clancy adaptation

>>212904395
>You're old and every old fuck talks like this
That's not true at all you reprehensible zoomer faggot.
My parents were in their 40s at the time yet still count great 90s movies like Pulp Fiction and Casino amongst their favourites, and thought so at the time. Right alongside classics from 30 years prior like Lawrence of Arabia.
Cinema was of consistent quality for decades. They weren't living in the 1990s thinking
>blegh all these films are shit now, everything from the 60s was better than this!

Meanwhile people nowadays are barely into their late 20s and already noticing how movies are much shitter across the board than they were 20 years ago.

>>212903374 (OP)
The 90s is the best Hollywood decade ever. Millennial Chads winning again and again and again.

This was one of the first movies distributed by Dreamworks. Did Spielberg ghost-direct this?

>>212905001
>Christopher Nolan is not a European director
what?

>>212904965

Shut the fuck up boomer.

>>212904127
https://youtu.be/gnGqUOG5DcM

>>212903752
i dont remember this scene at all but that screenshot is amazingly based

I saw the peacemaker in theaters with a friend of mine. We were both into motorcycles back then. After the movie we both hopped on our bikes and went our separate ways. I learned the next day from his gf that he died on the way home. A drunk driver hit him. I never watched peacemaker again after that

>>212905180
he make peace with God

>the art of filmaking in hollywood is dead since marvel
>what else is new

Pic is from a site that shows off the best screenshots of movies.
I'll leave it without comment.

>>212903374 (OP)
I always got these two confused.

>>212904131
Did you watch Superman?

>>212903374 (OP)
I saw this in theaters with my parents when I was a kid.
My mom used to take me to a lot of movies. I have her to thank for seeing so much 90s kino.

17 minutes in a foreign language, almost no dialogue, without any stars, shot mostly in the dark. 17 minutes before the star of the movie appears. Almost the length of a sitcom episode. Isn't this what letterboxd kids these days would call a "flex"? If you understand anything about how movies are made, you understand studios would always pressure directors to have the stars in every scene, as early as possible, yes? There Will Be Blood is seen as a modern classic because it does this sort of long, slow, non-verbal visual intro, such a daring flex from the auteur PTA, and it does so with its star already present.

But this isn't an auteur movie, it's just 6/10 Sunday night boomer slop.

17 minutes in. This is how she is introduced. Again, two oners. Sorkinian walk and talk. The first one, chaotic, even ends with a frame within a frame. Also what's known as a subtle cinematography flex that no normie eye would care about.

This is not Aaron Sorkin and David Fincher's The Social Network, "the best movie of the 2010's". Celebrated for its use of frames within frames in cinematography circles. This is just 6/10 slop. They just stole that from The West Wing, "the most prestigious show on 90's network TV"! Oh hey, but look at that, irts procuer, John Wells was also a producer on that movie.

There will never be a youtube video essay critically re-evaluating the approach to pacing and cinematography in The Peacemaker.

Why are they bothering with so many little touches that no one pays attention because they're not "the plot"? Why the smoke in background doorways, the slow shoes close-ups, the little pauses on small details, the ominous zoom-ins, the dynamic background extras...? Why all that stuff? Nowadays it'd just be 3 people talking in an empty office with one static, digital wide shot and face close ups cutting every 1.5 seconds and it'd be a 8/10 on RT.

>>212903374 (OP)
I always thought it's great
plebs who don't pay attention talk shit about movies that are excellent craftsmanship
if a movie has restraint it is called standard crap
fuck you
funny how what used to be bare minimum is now miles above today's high effort

>>212905284
grim

is digital to blame for everything?

I love oners
Children of men has been a disaster for long takes

>>212904127
YES! As soon as I saw OP's post I thought of this. This director's other film Dantes Peak is the same thing.

>>212906195
It's a part of it but not entirely. It's moreso:
>Lack of auteurship and the creation of a film by committee
>Death of stylized lighting in exchange for color grading
>Minimalist aesthetic with mise-en-scene and costuming
>Shooting everything on a green screen soundstage

McTiernan's Basic, go watch it

>>212903374 (OP)
>If it came out today, it'd be praised as a masterpiece.
I agree, but it doesn't make watching these mediocre 6/10 90s movies any more enjoyable. They're still extremely dull and quite a chore to get through.

>>212905567
peacemaker
negotiator
bone collector
jackal
sum of all fears
air force one
90s feel thrillers (yeah some aren't from the 90s but they feel it)
are thrillers still being made? i guess they're made as tv shows like breaking bad

>>212906651
*I will ad, on a positive note, the craft that went into these movies is 100 times more impressive than modern films. And they, at the very least, LOOK like real movies, because they were shot on film, they were lit correctly, and composition/blocking/business were all of a much higher standard in general.

>>212905970
this is how a superman movie should introduce lois lane
gunn could never

Great thread.

>>212903374 (OP)
I agree with you but calm down with the Peace Maker praise my dude it's not that good

>>212904316
Its a little like McLuhan "The medium is the message" and like how the tools change the object. I like to read, and there is a difference between novels wrote pen-and-paper, typewriter, and computer.

Wow, some people got mad in this thread.

Another example

and another.
I have seen this movie at least 6 times as a kid. It annoys me now how retarded it viewed the internet and how many coincidences this bitch needed to be caught up in for this movie to work

>>212903374 (OP)
This is the first intelligent discussion thread I have seen here in........fuck......months maybe? These kinds of movies were the back bone the spine of Hollywood. They peppered these all throughout the year until it was time for the summer blockbusters although some of these were summer blockbusters too. Simple formula, two well know actors, usually man and woman sometimes two men and put them in an out of the ordinary situation where some bigger entity is after them or they are after the entity or both. I miss these mid movies. That movie Extraction was the last movie to feel like these

>>212908027
Watched this the other day.
>me and my bro about to do some blending

Alright. I'm watching your stupid movie.
>The train winding its way through the mountains at night with a soviet choir playing
Kino!

Oh yeah, well, wipipo don't season they movies bet you feel dumb now huh

>>212908027
Enemy of the state was only considered bad by people who couldn’t comprehend imaging technologies, also the cia didn’t like how it depicted their surveillance capacities and how they could be circumvented

>>212903374 (OP)
I always really liked this movie

>>212903374 (OP)
>I'm only 15 minutes in.

It's interesting that the same phenomenon seems to be reflected pretty much everywhere the past 20 or so years. Movies are either slop "content" or auteur cinema with no middle ground, clothing is either cheap synthetics or extra expensive with no middle ground, household appliances are either cheap crap that breaks in a couple years or extra expensive with no middle ground, etc. It's like there's talent out there but it's hyper-concentrated in only a few specific niches. I don't know if I'm imagining things or if it's something a sociologist, economist, etc. could study.

>>212904127
same anon as here >>212908490. I LOVE this movie

But the food tho.

>>212908535
It started with streaming. Companies just needed content. None of it went through the rigorous process of studio suits carefully sifting through scripts and making sure it is a good story and likely to make money at theaters, Every retarded script by every hack imaginable got instant approval so they could throw it on their streaming service and charge people monthly fees

>>212904054
Yes, I know. Funny you should start this thread, I thought the exact same last night when I was watching blowout from 1981. The shot of the lookalike walking through the market was crystal clear, no cartoony over saturation. I forgot how good things used to be.

>>212908631
>Every retarded script by every hack imaginable got instant approval so they could throw it on their streaming service and charge people monthly fees
I take this back, there werent even any scripts to sift through. some hack suits just pushed adapting cartoons and video games into a streamable content and hired hack writers to do it. At least even in a shitty script some poor hack spent years coming up with an idea and translating it into a screenplay. Now you dont eve have that. You have studio hacks just coming up with regurgitated ideas and hiring what is the equivalent of a mercenary "writer" to fill in the blanks to make it into something. All creativity has been completely sapped from the process

>>212908535
I know what you mean. The choice is low or high quality. Medium simply doesn't exist anymore. The middle-class shrinks, and so does that quality of product.
Also, I think some of it is just computers and automation. I swear craftsmanship requires hands on the tools.

>>212908535
When it comes to movies at least, that can be attributed to the death of DVD, most mid budget, average movies flopped at the theaters, but made their money back through DVD sales, nowadays since that isn't the case, the only types of movies that are profitable are high budget derivative action slop with universal appeal, or low budget indie auteur films

>>212904054
>Tom Clancy shlock
I guarantee you have never read a single tom clancy book. Tom Clancy was not "schlock," he was in fact the opposite of schlock as his books have beee some of the most technically accurate and well researched fiction novels ever written. The man was an expert on weapons military tactics and international politics and it was all reflected in every book he wrote (which I have read all of them)

A few days ago I created a thread about the same theme.
I watched both movies recently and it's amazing how they grab your attention.
One was hated while the other had a small budget. They're not perfect and you'll notice a few problems here and there, but, somehow, both will hypnotize you.
People talk about soul, but you'll feel it if you watch an old movie.

ronin has 7/10 on imdb
the movie has one of the best car chases i have ever seen and all that without cgi

>>212908882
Well, as someone put it so well in this thread, that film movies in the 90s had mastered visual storytelling. Put them on mute, and they look great, and you can still follow the story.

>>212908876
To add to this, ironically, the movie you are cumming buckets over in this thread, would actually be considered the "shlock" as a cheap knock off of a Tom Clancy story.

>>212909007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6BOe4GgL2c

>>212909031
fix your english

>>212909026
It's hard to explain, but Tumbleweeds is cheap. Like, it looks like shit, but the movie is good. I'm not joking when people talk about soul, it's like Walter Benjamin talking about aura. The movie has aura.

>>212909157
>missing some commas because I am lazy
Grammar is not "English," If you want to larp as someone's intellectual superior at least actually know what you are talking about drooler

>>212909190
Well, apparently, Janet McTeer was magnetic. But jokes aside, I know what you mean.

>caring about ratings
ratings are to be taken inversely at this point

remember pic related?
and when they deleted user reviews for Captain Marvel?

>>212909007
ronin's car chase has to be the best car scene in cinema history, it has to be

>>212909238
Its not the commas, its the words you chose.

>>212909238
sorry, missing one comma I meant

>>212909411
There is nothing grammatically incorrect in that sentence wtf are you on about retard?

>>212904127
pure Val Kino

>>212903374 (OP)
Fun fact Clooney broke his back filming this which he why he hasn't done a straight up action movie ever since.

capeshit is eternally mogged by pulp kino

>>212909540
>Clooney broke his back
That was in Syriana retard

>>212909592

>>212909592
I'm convinced pulps of the 30s/40s are the lit equivalent of 80s/90s action films. Even down to the fact that they were considered low-brow at their time, but from the modern lens, they are high quality.

>>212909685
this was the first movie I ever saw Catherine Zeta Jones and my god was she smoking hot

the 90s were so comfy
we never knew how good we had it

>>212904528
stop posting forever and go back to r*ddit you subhuman shitstain. Baiting your betters into asinine arguments because you're too smooth brained to understand OPs correct point, disgraceful.

>>212909425
this film was well reviewed and received at the time of release too, it just wasn't timed well or advertised properly, it did great in the rental market.

>>212909405
how does it compare to the blues brothers chase scene? odd question i know.

>>212909629
Sorry my bad George. Can be president? I heard you have some pull.

>>212909449
He is broccoli headed zoomer with a tik tok attention span. They aren't used to multiple ideas being expressed in a single sentence.

wettest kino on record

>>212909923
>well reviewed and received at the time of release
a lot of (((critics))) try to gaslight away how bad they review cult classics after they become popular

>>212910094
Movie gave me nightmares as a child. Havent watched it since lol.

On a related note, my God did 1990 produce some great films.

>>212910094
The town in this movie was so comfy

>>212908495
I had to pause it. I'm not exaggerating. It's really overwhelming to me. I had to share it. I feel strongly about film, the language of film, the music of film. I am sensitive about the texture of an image or the tempo of a shot, these things that are difficult to put into words and I am very frustrated with the discourse of film criticism and film theory. No one talks about these things, they just talk about plot, could be commenting the screenplay. Not what is contained within the moving images. It's hard to put into words. Like prose or melody. How do you explain why certain prose style moves you or annoys you? It's weird to me that it's seen as weird on a film board. It's weird to me that so few care even here. But I'm glad a few anons understand even if I know I sound very spergy or not clear enough.

I tried to explain clearly and made points, like the objective devolution of length-per-shot over decades but also I hope the webms are self evident and don't need me to explain what is obvious if you have eyes. Sometimes I wonder if people still watch movies with their eyes? Do they watch, but do they not see? It is the same as music, do they hear but not listen?

I was instantly struck by the Spielbergian elegance and tempo. I described it as such in OP. Before I learned he pre-produced it, likely storyboarded etc. My senses and cinematic intuition are on point. Like recognizing a melody or a prose signed anonymous but belonging to a master. I saw. Yet I find 0 resource online digging into this connection

The last time I was struck like this was when I rewatched Jurassic Park.

>>212908876
My words are layered, I am talking about how things are perceived, described, is this not obvious? I am misunderstood itt. You have to read between lines. I love "Clancy shlock". A Clancy sort of plot as adapted by Hollywood and as perceived by consensus, Clancy as a brand, genre and derivative formula, not my thoughts on Clancy the author.

>>212909031
exactly...

>>212903374 (OP)
Quality, dedication, craft, patience, beauty and timing are all white supremacy, bigot.

the schoolgirl in this is what got me into JAV

>>212910358
she was pretty hot

for a vietnam fucking shit

>>212909007
What color was the boathouse at Hereford?

>>212910318
Small towns work so well for goofy horror-comedies.

>>212910157
>Roger Ebert, who later included the film in his list of Great Movies,[88] retrospectively noted that in his original review he had "described a four-star movie, but only gave it three stars, perhaps because it was a 'Spaghetti Western' and so could not be art."
film critics, in the trash. absolute cretins, the lot of them

>>212910318
>>212910566
true
small town high trust communities are very cozy.

>>212910591
about the good the bad and the ugly*

read this moronic take devoid of any insight or understanding of kino https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-1968

entire career is invalidated

>>212910481
*wets pants*

>>212910358
kino

>>212910156

even the C movies were kino back then

>>212910481
stfu nigger

Man, we can really have a 90s general just to discuss kinos. Me? I might plant my flag in 1990 and only watch kinos from that year until its exhausted.

>>212911036
you don't want this to be a general. you think otherwise because you've never suffered a general. generals are where discussion goes to be murdered by a schizo.\

if you don't have anything to say, don't make a thread. its that simple.

>>212911036
>search "199" on my movie HDD for recommendations for the thread
>382 results

It's not a 90's thread without our guy

>>212911087
Yah, probably right. Better just to post movies as we watch them.

>>212911193

>>212911193

>>212903374 (OP)
The standard had already plummeted by 2019 but people are only just now admitting it

OP is correct.

I vividly remember the film Thir13en Ghosts with Matthew Lillard in it being absolutely panned and run through the mud as one of the worst horror movies of its time. Rewatching it recently, it is absurd how much higher the level of craftmanship is to typical, pretentious shit coming out today. There is a tracking shot near the beginning of the film that introduces us to all the family members who are central to the story. By todays standards you would think it was a scene ripped straight from Children of Men.

I think one of the biggest parts of it is purpose. Or purposefulness even. Today, and flashy camera techniques or tricks, or inventive shots are largely superfluous. Just directors or studios flexing technical ability for no reason. Something that died off in the 2000s was the fact that filmmakers had an ingrained understanding of how to use the medium. That's pretty much gone now.

Social media has undoubtedly played a role too by hugely reducing the average attention span.

>>212905104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuF83bkOAB8

It's K I N O

>>212911323

People took pride in their work. Simple as.
Today the "work" is done only to harvest likes on social media as quickly as possible. It's not meant to have any quality past getting that like.

>>212911323
I find that with older authors as well. As much as it is common to criticize them for being over wordy, and using 12 words when 4 would do, the fact is, they never waste a word. Every word has a purpose. Its like the artists had a far higher precision of vision and thought, so they needed to use everything (and couldnt waste anything) to express their artistic vision.

>>212911323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7NMFOoH7jc
Here is the scene from Thir13en Ghosts if anybody is actually interested

OP is right. The movie IS mediocre, but its head and shoulders above current mid movies. The scenes without the leads are way more interesting btw.

>>212911538
Honestly I can't even imagine seeing that kind of scene today.
If it was attempted to get made it would be the most obvious composited sloppa that would not feel "real" at all.

one thing I also enjoyed back in the 90's were movies competing
member when they released basically the same movie to compete which one was actually better

Based thread OP make more of these. Fuck anything after 2012

>>212910623
this movie is really bad

Kidman is a terrible actress. No one talks about this. Watch her next time you see one of her films. Unnatural at all moments.

>>212905970
I used to have a massive thing for her. She was perfect for about 10 years.

>>212906699
As an ex-submariner, def turn your brain off for this one. The Enemy Below if you want a good one.

I didn't agree with this a couple of years ago but movies genuinely dropped significantly in quality over the past 5 years, I feel like every single movie i'm supposed to like is overrated.

Millennials don't have it, And i doubt zoomers will when they start creating stuff. Something is missing and everything feels forced and inauthentic, From the writing to the filmmaking, There's nothing distinctly good about this era of movies.

>>212905970
You are pretentious and boring as shit. Nice blog, didn’t read.

SHOOTER TAKE THE SHOT!

Here's what's different now. Movies used to be ABOUT SOMETHING and often made for ADULTS who had at least a high school diploma or would be getting one. We're dumber now for reasons, plus they don't want us thinking unless it's White man bad.

>>212911642
I like how her accent continually changes. Its cute and makes me want to honk her nose.

>>212911593

>>212909853
They tried so hard to get our attention. They really worked their asses off. The entire world was in awe.

>>212911681
tell us what it gets wrong and recommend submariner approved kino.

Red October? that silent water propulsion system was cool

>>212910413
I never saw this, I have to get it now, thanks for the reminder.

>>212911696
well sure but she's not cute anymore. bogged to oblivion

>>212908535
>I don't know if I'm imagining things or if it's something a sociologist, economist, etc. could study.
The "missing middle". It's pretty well known, an example I've noticed is the demise of midsize music venues. It's either one room in a bar or an arena, nothing in between. I think this is also why festivals got so big, mid level bands that get college radio airplay and got too big to play bars need somewhere to grow their fanbase. Another example is guns, everything is either $500 or less AR/strikerslop or $5k+ collector's pieces. A counterexample is cars, where the high end and low end have essentially disappeared as the mid range offers so many features of the high end and there's fewer and fewer features that you can cut for the low end because they're now seen as standard.

>>212904316
I greatly appreciated how Materialists was shot in film. Good movie, not saying it was a perfect movie, but a lot of the criticism of it was overblown by Pedro Pascal fans and/or critics who got angry that a white woman would rather be with a poor white man than a rich Latino.

>>212911758
Thats because I wasnt there to honk her nose :(

>>212910334
> I had to pause it. I'm not exaggerating. It's really overwhelming to me. I had to share it. I feel strongly about film, the language of film, the music of film. I am sensitive about the texture of an image or the tempo of a shot, these things that are difficult to put into words and I am very frustrated with the discourse of film criticism and film theory.
Damn son.

>>212911585
Yep. And this is some random horror flick that everyone thought was total shit at the time and only really remember for having Shaggy and Monk in it....
I actually enjoy this movie btw

>>212911267
The first time that movie title had impact. I don't think I ever saw that, but it still takes me back.

>>212911267
>Oh my stars a negro.
Couldn’t be made today.

>>212911701
year 2000 but still counts imo

>>212903374 (OP)
Same with the Keanu Reeves movie "Chain Reaction" - not nearly the polished production as your example, but still, does laps around anything made 2020+

I was calling this out in 2012 and I sent to the looney bin because of being a doomer
I was right all along

>>212911683
>Millennials don't have it,
Most of them have nothing to do with this. It's still Gen Xers running the show and yeah low and behold they are going senile and don't give a fuck anymore even if they think the do. The only millennials who contribute to the destruction of the medium are the ones that would never have ever got a look in 20 years ago.
So in summary the writing pool is now actively filled with
>geriatrics
>retards
It's no surprise the product is defected. I'm certain there are talents across all generations technically. But if things aren't course corrected soon then the knowledge of craft will objectively evaporate, and that's where it's really hard to come back from.

>>212911614
For me, its around 2005, with the odd exception.

>>212911845
neither are great but mission to mars wins

>>212911935
for me the cutoff is 2008.
Obama getting elected was the sign of the end times.

pic related is my favorite comfy movie.

>>212911900
>I sent to the looney bin
for calling out the death of kino? story?

>>212910358
>>212910452
you werent lying

Not thriller or action but the craftsmanship behind this movie is insane considering it's subject matter. Is like goth looney tunes. The set design, music and special effects were incredible.

>>212912024

The cutoff point was Attack of the Clones. It look clownishly bad, even compared to TPM. The compositing was total ass, the special effect work stiff as fuck and that was (at the time) lauded as a high water mark in special effects. Lucas himself was lauded as the pioneer of digital filmmaking (despite being clowned on at the same time). And a lot of studios immediately converted to digital as a result. Not because of some artistic choice or quality but because it cut corners on all fronts.
Directors could sit in a comfy chair and see how the shot looks right there instead of waiting for dailies. Producers could do the same. This consequently cut down on effort and halfassing everything started. "yeah bro the shot ....uhh... it looks good okay we'll fix it in post, let's wrap up".
But yeah, I remember distinctly AotC being the turning point and a lot of the buzz in the industry being about the digital production rather than the quality of the movie.

>>212912024
Thats a fair cutoff. Mid 2000s, definitely pre-2010. I think it was the hobbit movie that sounded the alarm for me.

Well, I just finished The Peacemaker. Really enjoyed it. The whole opening scene was just fantastic. Went away a bit at the end, but such is life.

>>212903374 (OP)
>reading wikipedia in the middle of a movie
>Giving a shit what some faggot critic thinks
>Or what these contrarian miserable shitass losers on 4chan think

>>212912217
Lucas ruined cinema twice

>>212912217
There are 3 Star Wars movies. And there should've only been 1. George Lucas ruined filmmaking with his dumb space wizard movies for kids.

>>212912399

In my ideal version of Lucas' career he stopped doing SW after the first movie and continued working on new projects.
He unironically had a brilliant run with American Graffiti, THX1138 and SW. Just an amazing sequence there. His Indiana Jones stuff is also superb and augmented by Spielberg.
But the hard pivot into blockbusters prevented him from continuing to work on new projects and if his career had gone that way we would've had more kino from him for sure.

>>212911933
>thinking Hollywood is run by older Gen X
Hollywood is run by baby boomers. Most of my generation are working tradesmen in Hollywood. Millennials and Zoomers have zero creativity.

>>212912494
Star Wars should've been a 1 and Done, and it not only would've been one of his hallmarks, but a touchstone of independent filmmaking.

But muh lore, muh trilogy, and fucking nerds.

>>212912505
Tell me the top 10 directors working today in your opinion and let's see

my head cannon is the ones in charge of Hollywood got really pissed off around 2004 and decided to forgo the pleasantries of their propaganda.

>>212912552
No.

>>212912574
Yeah that's what I thought you stupid faget. Like I said, you're going senile and you don't even know it

Gonna throw on this kino and go to bed

>>212912640
This movie suffered from trying to rebrand itself as American Pie like in the poster you posted
It's more like Dazed and Confused for the American Pie audience. Actually briddy gud

Extremely based thread

>>212912698
And already, such a well shot film.
>The opening scene with the main character describing the first time he saw JLP, and its shot in a b-movie horror style
>the nerds planning their party prank with their models and toys like its a b-movie scifi about world domination

>>212903374 (OP)
>It's directed by a woman.
Check out Mimi Leder's other great 90's movie Deep Impact aka "the other 90's asteroid movie". I watched Armageddon maybe twice, but I've watched Deep Impact countless times. Vastly superior movie.

>>212903374 (OP)
>I'm 15 minutes in and I just had to stop and post an autistic babble on 4chins about it
Your terminally online brain is irreparably fried.

>>212908071
Yeah, The Net is ine of those films you throw on the "the past isn't better" file. Beyond having one of the dumbest plots in the history of cinema, it's also shot like there was a drunk Gibbons behind the camera, while, paradoxically, the costuming and sets are so apathetic you'd think the crew was on laudnum.

>>212903374 (OP)
I remember seeing this in the cinema with my buddy.
It wasn't very good at all.

No one mentioned how the Writer's Strike purged the industry of most no-names over the age of 50.

>>212903374 (OP)
>no dialogue, only visual exposition
can't watch while doomscrolling, audiences will never go for that

>>212904054
>>212903374 (OP)
There is an utter deficiency in cinematic nuance today. The talent is gone.

>>212908446
Some of the imaging technologies shown in the movie are complete fantasy. Optical resolution from space is *maximum* 2-4 inches (on a perfect still day) due to the law of diffraction. So you can't see someones face from space. You can't retask any satellite in minutes due to orbital mechanics. So you can have guys in a control room saying shit like "get me realtime satellite view" and then ten seconds later it's on the screen. Cool movie though.

Genuinely what can you even do anymore when no one knows how to make anything and nobody wants to invest the time/money to redevelop that knowledge?

>>212909521
That movie is essential 90's kino. Especially considering it's based on an actual true story.

>>212913589

Literally nothing because the next paradigm shift is AI. It might take a few years or a decade but it'll get done and once it's done all of this from the production pipeline to the knowhow is gone and buried forever.
What people don't get is that entire schools and workshops and education systems related to production will be gone overnight. why study something for X number of years and develop a skill when your "skill" is not necessary anymore to produce a "movie".
And while prompting and styling will be able to mimic any style obviously it won't be the same but it will be so cheap and easy that it will overtake everything, forever.

imho though it will still be better than the flat color graded digital slop we get today

>>212910413
I see you and I raise you

>>212911366
In the 90's teenage me was utterly in live with Alicia Silverstone.

>>212905108
Jesus fucking Christ

>>212911701
Both of these are good movies but for different reasons. Dante's Peak is cozier though.

>moron loses his mind at mediocre action flick

anyways any of the mission impossible movies mog the shit out of this garbage

>>212906699
This movie is essentially just a couple of dudes walking around a submarine for 120 minutes and it's one of the most exciting and suspension driven movies I've ever seen, not one single gun shot is fired, Tony Scott really was the most underappreciated movie director who ever lived, Michael Bay is inspired a lot by how Tony Scotts films look like, but Bay would never be able to direct a movie like Crimson Tide at any point of his life.

>>212911900
He may be Neo or John Wick for most people but he'll always be Lieutenant Jack Travern to me. I still watch this movie to this day.

>>212913674
at least most of what has come before still remains, especially with movies, pretty much outside of some niche films from the 50s+60s everything is preserved in some way these days.

Its older, but more intelligent and sophisticated, and reliable, technologies being lost now, that we'll pay badly for in the long run.

>>212909007
I always liked it more than Heat, Heat gets drawn down by it's love story plots, Ronin is straight up professionalism and the one "love story" is just De Niro hooking up with Hank Moodeys wife from Californication (which is unrealistic enough, why would a hot late 20s chick wanting to fuck a mid 50s De Niro) and then not wanting her get killed.
Also France is just more interesting to look at than L.A. and Michael Mann is already the best who ever let that city look interesting and it still fails in comparison to how France looks (or looked, it's now a niggerfied shithole).

>>212903374 (OP)
this movie is genuinely dog shit. youre a fat fucking retard OP and possibly indian

>>212913991
>Its older, but more intelligent and sophisticated, and reliable, technologies being lost now, that we'll pay badly for in the long run.
Like what?

I love JCVD anyways but I watched this again the other week and it would be a 10/10 today. Zoomies would shit themselves.

>>212913674
Same props and sfx artists. The older people in that field basically say that the younger guys who in their day would have grew up sculpting practical miniatures are now growing up sculpting polygons in Blender or 3DSMax. Can't blame them, the barrier to learning vfx is lower than sfx.

>>212911701
Dantes Peak is way better. Its in the rotation at home.

>>212914072
Shut the fuck up zoomie

>>212911716
Damn

>>212911642
I still think about her naked legs in Days of Thunder. Her peak was good.

>>212914079
Think how many kids don't know how to find a file using windows explorer.

Y'all are full of shit. These 90s thrillers are slop. Just because contemporary slop is worse doesn't mean 90s slop stops being slop.

We also had ironic movies in 90s, pic. The only reason capeshit is so hated nowadays is cause the same formula has been done so much, like with westerns back in 60s. Y'all loved Firefly back when that meta style was new and fresh.

I watched deep blue sea yesterday it was better than jaws

>>212914122
There are plenty of people still doing those things. It's easier than ever to get into these crafts with youtube tutorials on everything from model building to creating cosplay costumes and props. Easily available 3D printing makes it even easier to make high quality custom details for both fields. They are simply not being hired by movie studios.

>>212914079
is this a serious question or are you trolling? Saturn V rockets are unable to be made in the modern day, anything analogue will within a decade or 2 stop being produced, hell, i miss having a volume knob for my radio in my car, its all touchscreens these days, i can't adjust it without taking my eyes off the road for a second.

My grandfather had a bunch of antique hardware equipent in his shed i used to toy with and stare at, he had a hand-powered drill. Yes. They exist.

He even had a hand-made pedal-powered stone wheel for sharpening knives, and a wire-brush rust-remover attached aswell, he made it himself with old rubber timing belts he scrounged from other equipment.

>>212914202
firefly still holds up though, and Farscape was better. I havent liked a modern scifi outside of the Orville, which is a love letter to old-trek.

>>212914202
>Y'all

>>212906195

I met the DP of Batman Returns, nice guy, and he's still working. We can still shoot things like before, but tastes have changed. People are okay with bland slop and don't want to push for the aesthetic that worked for all those classic kinos.

>>212911759
I have another counter example, guitars. Even cheap Chinese shit is smoking Gibson and Fender on features and the build quality is comparable at a fraction of the price. You pay extra for dumb shit like "tonewood" and vintage finishes, along with the magical name on the headstock that superstitious and retarded guitar players think makes them play better. This is one of the few areas I've seen this phenomenon though, modern cars along with about everything else are disposable garbage.

>>212914280
My statement was regarding less people doing it now, not that nobody is doing it anymore. Also it should be obvious to you that a one-off purchase of a computer and a software is a lower barrier to entry than the continuous ongoing cost of buying resources required to learn to and make practical models.

>>212911759
cars is a bad example, western countries conflicting and contradicting regulations on cars has damaged the industry to the point where the only 'cheap' cars you can buy new, are pieces of festering shit that will fall apart within a few years, because they have to piss away money on the design budget on environmental crap and excess safety features like side airbags for rear seats and shit.

>>212911985
shit, i was kinda wanting to watch a movie is Moss in it, she was soo hot.

>>212912024
gonna pirate that now, but there's still good movies being made, its just much rarer now.

Edge of Tomorrow, probably my all-time favourite standalone scifi film. If you like anime, Apocalypse Hotel is fucking kino aswell, if you aren't hooked after the first 3 minutes you're emotionally dead inside.

>>212912217
>>212912399
the phantom menace was a very flawed film, but many of the scenes in it were incredibly well designed, lit and animated. All of that was immediately thrown out of the window for the 2 sequels though. the Naboo starfighters and the entire planet really was an artistic stroke of genius.

>>212912640
shit, i gotta add this to the kino 'they dont make films like this anymore' collection, i forgot all about it.

>>212915231
Yeah I hate more efficient and safer cars.

>>212915531
My Mazda B Series will be running long after your disposable plastic shitbox is rotting in a dump somewhere. But it's better for the environment, right?

>>212905001
>This was one of the first movies distributed by Dreamworks. Did Spielberg ghost-direct this?
No. It's shot like the ER tv show that Mimi Leder also directed
>>212910334
it's mostly the music, that's the main thing that has gotten horribly wrong with the times
>>212905032
nolan has american passport

>>212915231
I was thinking more how 30years ago A/C was optional, power steering was optional, even a cassette player was an option. Those are all now standard features that no one would even attempt to bring a car to market without.
>>212914600
I think a lot of that is the skills and knowledge obtained from the 50s-90s guitar boom. People were trying to make good instruments as cheaply as possible, which is kind of a historical aberration that only really has precedent in the invention of the modern piano with cast iron frame and the piano's role as middle class signifier 1830-1950(ish). That is to say, luthiers were trying to make a good guitar as cheap as possible, not make guitars "the way they've always been made". I hear modern brass instruments absolutely blow older ones out of the water too.

>>212916229
>That is to say, luthiers were trying to make a good guitar as cheap as possible, not make guitars "the way they've always been made".

Funnily enough, what was the cheapest minimum viable product at the time (the Fender Telecaster, which is a couple of planks bolted together) has become the standard and any change is resisted by brand simps because to go against "the way it's always been made" makes it sound worse in their imagination.

>>212903374 (OP)
I think I picked this up from a $5 bin at walmart back in the day. I was learning some Chopin on the piano at the time and there's a scene where one of the bad guys is teaching a nocturne to a student and gives a speech about how one note can make all the difference, and it was the same nocturne I was learning at the time. Instantly became a favorite movie of mine until I lost my dvd collection and I forgot it existed until now. Thanks anon

>>212903374 (OP)
it's all exposition at the start because they had to wait for cinema goers to get to their seats and it was good because it had to compete against possibly better things at release date to make any money. Subscribing to exclusive things indefinitely never puts any pressure on the quality to actually go up.

>>212916229
they were not options outside of niche vehicles even 30 years ago, 40 years? yeah maybe. How old are you anon? im 37 and i think you're at least late 40s with that comment.

>>212908535
No one wants to associate with fags or communists and they've infested all aspects of life especially entertainment media
It's not the WEF
It's not the ultra rich
It's not even always the Jews
It's not religion or secularization
It's not even race
It's gender insofar as women emulate homosexuals and sacrifice their unborn children to their taboo worship, but it's not just about gender
It's not about any genuine shift in values
It's not about nutrition
It's not about lifestyle
It's not about abundance
It's not about choice paralysis
It's not about the organic gradual decadence and fall of the west
It is about gay feminist communists and they are the cause, not the visible symptom

>Critics from 30 years ago just treated it like standard crap. Because it was. It was just this generic vehicle for these two actors with a formulaic thriller movie plot and that's all they saw. I watch it today with today's eyes and all I see is the visual craft on display. This lost art. This competency crisis. This texture of celluloid film. this Hollywood lighting at its peak, before they decided to throw it all away.

>>212904127
Chain reaction with Keanu is a twin movie.

>>212909007
When there is doubt. There is no doubt.

>>212903374 (OP)
Shitty movie then is a shitty movie now.

>>212910156
Good pick.

>>212907473
You insufferable faggot, ruining the flow of the thread with your pedantic bullshit—it’s over your head faggot.

>>212904054
You read like an actual zoomer that's discovering actual cinema for the first time. Not a dig, I truly pity you: born in post-post-modernity in which everything is a disgustingly stupid ersatz of the real thing.

Yes, you're right, but it's not that mindblowing. We are fallen.

Slop from yesteryear is much better than contemporary slop.

>>212905180
The drunk driver was a piece maker.

>>212910156
watched this as a kid and was disappointed to later learn that it was panned cause the setting is so unique

I love these threads because I know my enemies hate them.

>>212917148
not to be confused with another pure kino where Christopher Lambert faces off against Ninjas & Samurai.

>>212911845
>>212911985
Red Planet is just too goofy. Why on earth did they have a combat mode for the robot?

I hate this thread. Where is this >>212918156 anon he is my enemy I must stop him

>>212903374 (OP)
The standard level of competency dropped like a rock after the 2007 writers strike
Feels like Hollywood just got rid of everyone with any talent behind the camera so they couldn’t go on strike later

>>212904054
the fuck are you talking about? it's just some random guy walking around a military base. i think you're reading into it a little too much.

here's an Ironic example
a pure evil movie specifically designed against the very concept/idea of this thread

>7.5 IMDB
>86% 79% RT

>>212918825
it's literally this meme

>>212903752
Oh i wonder if this was an inspiration for Splinter Cell

>>212903374 (OP)
This movie was bad then and is bad now, although why would you rewatch it?
I saw it in the movies back in the summer o' 97. It sold tickets based on Clooney's star power alone in the 90's, that's it.

>>212918853
>although why would you rewatch it?
>summer o' 97
ESL typing styles are getting more bizarre every day

>>212918904
american tier literacy

>>212918642
But sagaftra strikes constantly
You're just trying to sneak in a "guys it's not the REAL writers to blame!!!"
Fuck off union bootlicker

>>212918918
You're not from Britain, Canada or Australia with that sentence structure, he's right. I don't know why he's being pedantic though.

>>212918904
>>212918944
>doesn't know what an apostrophe is
yikes

>>212904054
>Show me one modern movie that looks like this and is paced like this
Juror #2
The Holdovers
Coup de chance

>>212910358
this gave a whole generation of men yellow fever
including Mark who dated her for 4 years after this scene till she hit the wall

>>212910358
>>212919364
>dumps sheboon & evil jewess for pure jailbait asian qt
Mark Wahlberg has always been /our guy/

John Wick gets praised as an action masterpiece when it's Steven Seagal-tier

>>212918927
I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said

>>212919586
modern cinema is deliberately deprived of masculinity
of course every mediocre action movie will look like kino

>>212913385
Did this happen to non-writers too? The entire skill level of "behind the camera" workers dropped like a rock after the writers strike

>>212918684
>the fuck are you talking about? it's just some random guy walking around a military base
And how would a modern movie show a random guy walking around a base?

Have you just started watching movies? Movies have been garbage since at least 2000 and that's being generous.

>>212917148
Kino ending

>>212919364
>dated her for 4 years after this
I bet they kept her schoolgirl outfit
If I was Mark I'd put it in my contract

>>212904054
Looks like an episode of Seinfeld

>>212919686
based hates-everything-but-still-uses-forum-for-it retard

>>212919633
Strikes that big usually have sympathetic strikers too, even including actors and directors.

>>212903374 (OP)
So this is what a wall of text from a 100IQtard looks like. A lot words to say very little.

>>212904538
This is why I've been a fan of found footage films. It reintroduces that kino

>>212904909
Checked your second row. Whoever made this is an idiot. In the Snyder portion this isn't meant to be a crowded place. The scene is what's being observed on the TV screen. Disingenuous retard

>>212919865
saar you benchod why you insult snyder good morning

>>212906724
Cap 4 felt like a 90s tv thriller...

>>212908882
Groundhog Day (2002) is my go-to citation for movies with soul

>>212917148
The DVD and the first BD's had a shit tier soundtrack. Badly mixed. Hope they fix it for a proper release.

>>212904965
wtf am I watching. it's so incoherent and ugly. It is offensive to the senses. It is vomitous. I hate Daniel Craig.

>>212911036
/90s/ - Peak Humanity General
>It's a random Direct To Video is better than anything from the last 10 years Edition

Previous >>212903374 (OP)

>>212903374 (OP)
Mercury Rising gave me this feel recently.
Solid 90's 00's thriller full of cliche tropes and is comfy as fuck
Absolutely no one remembers it either despite being full of a-list actors

>>212905987
How'd they do that?! a question one never hears anymore because it's all done with shoddy homogeneous cg.

>>212908446
Didn't they get the whole script changed from rogue agency to rogue agency director?
It's always listed in the military influence on Hollywood stories

>>212903374 (OP)
As a 90s baby, there's something comfy about watching these forgotten 90s movies. It's a reminder of a simpler time.

>>212920034
I remember it, and I remember it being a low tier Willis flick.

>>212909425
The 13th Warrior is a kino

>>212914373
>I met the DP of Batman Returns
I don't consider myself a film buff but it still makes me a bit jelly, must have been interesting.
>>212906195
Well a great DP like Roger Deakins seems to be fine with using Digital now, 1917 looks great, I think he might have said once on his website that the problem with the image looking too fake is the lens being too perfect and clean, but don't quote me on this last part, I might be remembering wrong.

>>212920072
just bee yourself

>>212920072
Mom and Dad rewatch this movie casually every now and then, I haven't done so from start to finish in quite a while.
I was rewatching that spetznaz scene posted here and I wonder how this one was done.
If they spliced in some train footage recorded by chopper, or if they had a blue screen and later added model trains.

>>212917359
More forgotten Stallone kino. It has another title as well. Nearly whole movie takes place in this old war bunker turned into drug rehab and it's also way up in the remote north with snow and cold. Top notch atmosphere. Unique characters, One by one, ppl die! Who's the killer? A classic set up and it works.

>>212918220
This one was good, a great rental from the store back in the day.

ITT: Old geezers reminiscing about shit they watched when they were 13

>>212910694
>no mention of the music
>no mention of the performances
there is so much that could be said of this movie, this reviews sucks is so un-even, is like a collection of ideas without a focus or editing.

>>212918124
The meditation chowvyun does was eerie.

>>212909592
I was seeing a video making the case for this one being shot with black and white in mind and found it quite fascinating, but I can't find a torrent for it, maybe I should find a video player with a black and white filter.
>>212909685
Pretty good I'd say, even if once you know is the same script writer as the first Indiana Jones, you can see how he rethreads himself.

>>212919705
She had a show on Bravo where shebjudgeg a modern art competition.

>>212919756
Which film?

>>212920322
one of those movies I somehow never watched
damn the cast is stacked with pretty big names

>>212904346
it sold more tickets than the garfield movie 2024 despite the garfield movie being released in a world with billions more people

>>212920475
>watch an older film for the first time
>LE NOSTALGIA
yikes

>>212920293
as soon as the camera leaves the train its a different shot

Thrillers are a lost art in Hollywood among other genres
modern "filmakers" can't into suspense & mystery
they just can't trust the modern audience to figure things out for themselves
because it's projection
they're too stupid to figure things out so they think everyone is as dumb as they are so they have to explain everything

>>212920978
it's an era of leftist midwits who think they're geniuses because of all the participation trophies they got growing up

>>212918642
they fired/refused to hire white male writers because it made all the non-whites look bad

welcome to the age of subhuman mediocrity
where no one can rise above enough to challenge the ruling class

>>212920978
that was total garbage

>>212921137
and it looks like pure kino compared to modern movies
that is the point of this thread retard

>>212920978
That was a good movie with bad acting.

>>212921204
Uma Therman has always been a terrible actress

>>212921204
And bland direction. This was the real start of Woo's slop era. The failure of Windtalkers must have broken him. He did go back to China to direct the excellent Red Cliff two-parter, but after that, he was officially done. Nothing but lazy hack jobs from there on out.

I think Paycheck was a cool concept, and a decent script. It just needed better people all around to make it. I still kind of like it, though.