I don't get the praise of this movie, it's a decent movie but people act like it's the single best movie in existence.

>>212917752 (OP)
It's one of the best movies of the 21st century, alongside Social Network, Tree of Life and There Will Be Blood

>>212917752 (OP)
>I don't get the praise of this movie, it's a decent movie but people act like it's the single best movie in existence.

It's a pretty singular movie, there isn't much to compare it to.

>>212917797
Tree of Life is ass.

>>212917752 (OP)
I don’t get it either.
>>212917908
This is just plain wrong,

The first 2/5 is riveting, then it dissipates.

>>212918058
so is Social network. I dont know what that guys deal is, imagine thinking that.

>>212917752 (OP)
It's very well made but not perfect by any means.

They slipped up by not including the girl hitch-hiker Moss meets & talks to. We hear how he really feels about things (mostly fatalistic) and it gives his story just that bit of closure you need even though you never actually see his death.

People were right to feel dissatisfied the way it was done.

>>212917797
there will be blood is boring

>>212918317
I've read the book so many times and I disagree. Lot of the thing the Cohen brother removed and the very slight changes they made were absolutely perfect. This movie is possibly the single greatest example of book to film ever created. If they had included the hitchhiker we would have been bored to death and the movie would have become even more strange. Turning her into some saucy motel hussy we see only for a few minutes was so much cleaner and made more sense as far as Llewelyn's death is concerned.

Why did he go back the crime scene, is he stupid?

>>212917752 (OP)
>The Terminator but boring
Bravo, Cohens

>we're suppose to believe that these men are paranoid and super careful with everything they do
>it took him half the movie to realize they reason they could radar track him and know where he was is because they had a tracker in the money
BRAVO

>>212918174
>This is just plain wrong,
Name a comparable movie

>>212918672
Yes he's stupid for going back, he even says when his wife asks him where he's going. He went back because he's human, he's seen war, no man left behind and all that jazz, he just found millions of dollars and wants closure. This is in contrast to Chigurh who has no humanity and is almost supernatural.

>>212918666
Given that a) It was originally a film script and b) Cormac was sort of involved (he was on set) I wonder if they ran the changes by him? He said he sort of left them to get on with it (supposedly he just talked about guns to some technician all the time) so my guess is he didn't offer any opinions on that.

I don't have problems with them tightening it up in general. If you read his original script for The Counselor you see he did what most writers-who-aren't-screenwriters do (overwrite). If that had been filmed exactly as he wrote it, it would certainly have been too wordy.

But the girl hitch-hiker is too important in my opinion. There were other things they could have got rid of which were less important, if they wanted to keep up the momentum. For example Moss meeing the group of boys near the border crossing after the shootout with Chigurh. Lose that entirely, and you buy a minute or two.

>bored to death
Well I disagree. The dialogue is really cool there, the way Moss just mocks her all the time and gradually she comes to realize he's a nice guy. It would be fun, like those talking-about-nothing scenes in Pulp Fiction etc. And it would be a perfect calm-before-the-tragedy moment which would make his (their) deaths all the worse.


Anyway I guess we'll never know. Would be nice if they had shoot those scenes though and people could try out a cut with them in.

>>212918838
why would an experienced soldier even think the man was alive, it's not very believable

>>212918899
I think Cormac understood what they were doing, seeing as he specifically wrote No Country to be turned into a movie, as you already pointed out.
They needed to show Llewelyn meeting the guys crossing the border to explain how he managed to make it over while shot and near death without alerting the border agents.
We have a good grip on Llewelyn Moss's character already and his scenes with the hitchhiker would do nothing but slow the movie down.

>>212919121
I don't think he really did think he was alive. He's brusque and uncaring when he initially meets him because it's obvious that he's not goging to live. He goes home with the money, wakes up, stands in his kitchen drinking water and thinking about the money, opens the satchel, counts it a bit. He says something like "you ain't dead" he knows the guy died but he's trying to convince himself to go back out there for his own peace of mind and closure. Wife wakes up and question him and he says he's going out to do something stupid. Llewelyn isn't a monster.

If you're an animal lover and you see a dog get run over by an 18 wheeler you can surmise that it's most likely good and dead but you'd still feel compelled to at least go check.

>>212917752 (OP)
Dont judge the story, its a novel, but the movie is excellently crafted and with a stylistic nod to the time period in which it was set.

>>212918672
He didnt got no agua

>What time to you start serving lunch?
>I could come back then.

>>212918666
>saucy motel hussy
>hey Mr sporting goods , u wanna a beer

>>212918672
He just figured out what agua was?

>>212919468

>>212918723
how many people in 1980 were concerned about transponders?

>>212919688
Is you're a super paranoid person that takes every precaution imaginable, it would probably not take you days to realize the reason everyone can magically find the location of the money.

>>212917752 (OP)
acts 1 and 2 are gripping
Act 3 is a left-turn into a different kind of movie that makes me think of it as a pretentious waste of potential.

>>212919750
I've never counted but that S in days is doing a lot of heavy lifting, I think it was a grand total of 2 days before he checked for the tracker in the money.

>>212919772
I kind of feel the same, especially the scenes when the old cop was doing all the philosophical talk which they went heavy on in act 3. Felt like it insist upon itself.

>>212919688
If I had stolen a briefcase full of drug money in 1980 I would 100% have emptied the money out and checked it and wiped the case clean and destroyed it or dumped it in a skip in a city far from where I lived. And I would have done all this before I went home, obviously.

Everyone knew about the existence of such radio devices long before 1980.

>>212919563
Tarantino approved

>>212919468
good ending

>>212919772
>>212919803
In the book there's a lot more philosophizing from Bell early on. The whole thing is alternate chapters:

Story
Bell philosophizing
Story
Bell philosophizing
Story
etc

Partly the film feels as though it's losing its way because they took most of the Bell stuff out early on but left it in later.

They should have left a bit more in earlier and taken a bit out later so it's more even. Then you would get used to a slightly slower pace and it wouldn't feel like something starting off at a sprint then running out of steam.

>>212919563
the performances by all the minor character where excellent

>>212917752 (OP)
yeah I don't get it either. It is decent but it's overhyped.
>>212917797
and There Will Be Blood was shit. Didn't they come out the same year? I remember both of them being so hyped and then I watch them and There Will Be Blood sucked and No Country for Old Men was okay but not legendary

>>212918688
kek

>>212917797
Real taste even if basic. For real.

>>212917752 (OP)
I think it's heavily overrated, still a good movie though but heavily carried by Anton

>>212917752 (OP)
>decent
no, it's genuinely a masterpiece. you're a faggot

>>212920364
>>212920547
the duality of man

>>212920364
tommy lee's monologues are honestly my favorite part, i especially love the opening
>Told me that he'd been planning to kill somebody for about as long as he could remember. Said that if they turned him out he'd do it again. Said he knew he was going to hell. "Be there in about fifteen minutes". I don't know what to make of that. I sure don't.

Criticisms like "overhyped" and "overrated" speak volumes about how your experience was coloured by your expectations to the point where you're incapable of assessing the movie on its own terms.

>>212917752 (OP)
I don’t get the hype either. The ending is fucking horrible.

>>212920758
this. imagine you just randomly stumbled onto NCFOM without ever having heard of it before, you'd be blown away

>>212917752 (OP)
It's a good movie however all Coen films miss the human element. They feel too clinical, sterile, phlegmatic.
A Simple Plan is a good example of what Coen flicks would look like with the human component included.

There will be blood mogs this fucken movie, the movie went shit as soon as the sheriff no longer appears in the film. No country for old men is just an okay movie.

>>212917752 (OP)
it was the last good film, we've only been getting slop since

>>212917752 (OP)
Movies are just that bad

One of the most major things I have never understood about NCFOM is why does Chigur blow up a car as a distraction to go into a pharmacy and steal a bunch of shit he could have just purchased over the counter. All he gets is gauze pads a rolls, tweezers, a needle, thread, alcohol, and the only questionable thing he steals is Lidocaine. And I'm not even sure that liquid Lidocaine was back then, or even now, illegal to buy, as you can still purchase it legally in the form of topical Lidocaine patches which are often used to treat things like muscle soreness and back pain. It's not like he was stealing morphine or something.

It seems to me that it is completely retarded to cause a huge scene which would draw massive attention, likely to himself, just in the hope people will be too distracted to see him go behind the counter and steal things he could have just bought. I mean, he must have had money, right? He must have been given some kind of per diem credit card like they gave Woody Harrelson. So why would he blow up a car to steal $30 worth of stuff and risk getting caught? Has anyone ever been able to explain this? It's really bordering on plot hole territory here, and I hate throwing that term around, because it's usually said by autists and lore fags. But this is ridiculous.

>>212920949
Why are you copy-pasting this from a week or so ago? I answered the point back then. Read the book.

>>212920949
maybe he simply didn't want to pay. he does a lot of violent and borderline retarded stuff because he feels invincible
i dont remember if the movie says it but in the book he just kills a guy in a random fight and the start and that's why he got arrested

>>212921044
>just read the book to understand the movie bro!
retard

>>212920949
He's a complete outlaw that lives by some odd code only he really understands. In the book he kills some guy in a bar fight because they looked at him. We see the same thing with the store clerk and the coin toss. He's just crazy.
These conversations are always funny online, because they wouldn't happen if people met or worked with real life criminals, there's no reason for what they do. Most criminals operate on an animal level of existence, they are incapable of forethought, they have a thought and just do whatever they have to do to accomplish it. We even have a recent example in the news, Diddy blowing up someone's car because they were dating his ex-girlfriend.

>>212920949
why did he almost murder the poor store clerk instead of just paying and leaving? you didn't understand the character

Love the movie and think its incredible. BUT it kind of just pisses me off the entire time that he goes back to the scene. Just enjoy your cozy trailer, hot wife, and cash! Fuck!

>>212920783
Brainlet take. The clock ticking after he finishes telling his dreams is the perfect vehicle to bring home all the questions the movie asks.
>>212920906
Wrong.

>>212918672
They always go back to the scene of the crime, kid. They can't help it, it's in their nature.

>>212921088
If you'd bothered to read my original reply you would have seen I address exactly this point.

>well made
>amazing dialogue
>cool villain
>filled with metaphor that allows different interpretations and endless discussion
>fun and subversive story that respects the audiences' intelligence

You probably didnt

>>212921591
Oops. Meant to say you probably didn't like it because you're a moron. See the last point

>>212917752 (OP)

Had dreams... Two of 'em. Both had my father in 'em. It's peculiar. I'm older now then he ever was by twenty years. So, in a sense, he's the younger man. Anyway, the first one I don't remember too well but, it was about meetin' him in town somewheres and he give me some money. I think I lost it.

The second one, it was like we was both back in older times and I was on horseback goin' through the mountains of a night. Goin' through this pass in the mountains. It was cold and there was snow on the ground and he rode past me and kept on goin'. Never said nothin' goin' by - just rode on past. And he had his blanket wrapped around him and his head down. When he rode past, I seen he was carryin' fire in a horn the way people used to do, and I-I could see the horn from the light inside of it - about the color of the moon. And in the dream I knew that he was goin' on ahead and he was fixin' to make a fire somewhere out there in all that dark and all that cold. And I knew that whenever I got there, he'd be there. And then I woke up.

>>212919750
He figured it out right after the first time. Mama didnt raise no fool

>>212920709
The dialogue is absolutely primo

>I don't want to push my chips forward and go out and meet something I don't understand. A man would have to put his soul at hazard. He'd have to say 'OK. I'll be part of this world.'

>>212917752 (OP)
Basically. Like most Coen Bros movies.
>>212917797
None of those are among the best films of the 21st Century. All of these directors have better films to pick from.
>>212918058
It's the best film listed there.

>>212921221
He wanted a Marvel-tier ending with all the good guys joining together and saying "This is no country for YOU, Anton!" and then getting into a massive gunfight with him and killing him and then Bell and Moss go out for shwarama. He's a brainlet, leave him alone

>>212919816
What was the story here again? He stayed for sex and that got him killed?

>>212921103
>Most criminals operate on an animal level of existence, they are incapable of forethought, they have a thought and just do whatever they have to do to accomplish it.
This is true but it's not why Chigurh does the car thing in front of the pharmacy. That's all rational — in the book, at least. They simplified it for the film and possibly messed up a couple of little details about what stuff he actually gets, making it less rational. (Probably it's still OK; I haven't checked super-closely.)

>>212920783
I remember hating the death scene of the main character when I first watched it. It confused the shit out of me because it happens so quickly.

>>212920949
Because he could. He's an agent of chaos. You hate plot fags but you yourself are also one

>>212921619
Gives me chills just reading it

>>212921719
End of the movie. He turns her offer of beer and sex down because he's married, so she just amends the offer to only beer and conversation by the pool. Moss was trying to outrun and lead the Mexicans and Anton away from Carla-Jean. He had already managed to outshoot and outsmart them for the most part so had he not dropped his guard to sit out by the pool and flirt with her he'd have been alert or hidden enough to see the Mexican cartel members and either kill them or make another escape.

>>212918672
If he really cared about the guy in the jeep why didn't he make an anonymous call to the police explaining the situation? That way the guy would get taken to hospital quicker, which would do him more good than just a slurp of agua.

I guess the point is that first of all he decided to abandon the guy and then he wakes up at 1 a.m. and changes his mind and maybe at that point taking the guy the agua is a better bet than going to some call box and phoning the police?

Still a stretch in my opinion but maybe not absurd.

>>212917752 (OP)
it's ok. le whacky sociopath bad haircut villain who magically tracks down the main character is lazy writing

>>212918245
Social Network is a typical Aaron Sorkin dialogue movie that dumb people think is word for word what smart people say

>>212922043
>calling the police
They would have come to the exact same conclusion Moss did. Everyone is dead, drugs are still in the car, and the money is missing, lets go look for it.

>>212922065
Yep, plus it stars Andrew Garfield, who sucks at acting.

>>212922047
holy bait

>>212922047
I agree that Moss missing the radio transmitter in the bag is very poor.

Cormac did it all a bit better in The Counselor. He shows the cartel tracking mobile phones, which is plausible.

In his original script (I forget if it's in the film) Michael Fassbender borrows the phone from some random woman in the street and calls Penelope Cruz and then a bit later you see this random woman getting snatched. The implication is they've already got hold of Penelope's phone number and can track what phones call that number.

That seems a bit much to me. How do you discover what numbers are calling a mobile number when you don't actually have the target mobile? (They haven't snatched Penelope at that point.) I guess there will be some device to spoof that number or something?

I still think he is overestimating the cartel's speed and competence and powers of outreach, but maybe not that much.

>>212922047
But movie is so hevckin realistic! The super villian psychopath can just randomly kill people left and right and nobody can catch him because he's sooo smart!

>>212922164
Well of course but that's going to happen in a day or two when they do find it anyway. If they then find him, they were going to find him anyway.

You think that phoning them anonymously gives them some information over and above what they are going to work out right away? (Tommy Lee Jones talking about "last man standing" and all that.)

>>212918245
Naw, Social Network is good. Usually within Aaron Sorkin's ridiculous scripts lurks a pretty decent movie, and David Fincher chopped back all the needless crap, fixed the atmosphere just right, made up a perfect roster of actors, and the Nine Inch Nails graced it with one of the most iconic scores of all time. It's not a masterpiece, but it's an extraordinarily well-made film.

>>212922222
>Moss missing the radio transmitter in the bag is very poor.
>a guy in the 80s immediately not jumping to the conclusion that a retarded desert spic shoot out over drugs would have a tracker in their fanny pack is actually bad writing, guys

>>212922262
It's not that implausible. He's pretty competent and completely ruthless. People slip up when they kill people because they are in an extremely agitated frame of mind and make silly mistakes.

If someone can kill in cold blood he can get away with it more easily. Look how long Ted Bundy got away with it. (Not the same circumstances, sure, but look how long.)

There weren't a hundred surveillance cameras everywhere in 1980. And people used cash more, etc.

it's made past 2000 and has thought and care put into it. which describes like less than 1000 movies made after 2000

>>212922338
This is almost true, but only if you limit yourself to overpriced Hollywood bullshit.

>>212922331
>bad writing
Correct. It is.

>retarded desert spic
It's clearly a shootout involving large-scale organized crime. Not some random illiterate junkies robbing someone. No-one sane in that situation would think "hey, they're probably all stupid, they won't have any transmitters, I won't even bother to CHECK the bag, no way I'll wake up surrounded by Mexicans in a torture cell."

As I said. Bad writing.

>>212922271
Yes, Ed Tom Bell kind of explains it in the book about how it's his job to look out for the people in his town/jurisdiction. There would have been word of Llewelyn and Carla-jean not showing up for work and skipping town. You can't outright accuse them of anything but you find a bunch of gangsters dead in the desert and realize that their money is missing and you start to put two and two together, and you at least have to investigate it. The story plays out in the same way, Carla-Jean's mom, and Llewelyn's brother in California.

>>212922262
Half of all murders still go unsolved. And most of the time the ones that get caught have a personal connection to the victim. It's no great leap of logic to suggest that a professional hitman in 1980 could get away with killing random people

>>212922222
Getting the Luds on a phone requires police approval or an insider at the company that services the phone. At the time of the film there were 5 major and three minor cell providers in the US.

>>212922400
It's not bad writing, it's a character flaw. He's careless and doesn't think things through. And again, this was 1980, when transponders were far less common. Stop trying to sound smart by poking holes in a movie that everyone loves. It only makes you sound even more stupid

>>212922222
the other thing is that given any of that is true - crazy haircut guy would have bee on scene immediately, and the surviving spic would have phoned people.

>>212922412
Sure, once Moss & C-J skip town, that's a huge red flag they're involved.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying, would an anonymous phone call to the police saying "hey, go to X, there's a bunch of drugs and dead people" make him more likely to suspect Moss over and above just not receiving any call?

I don't know that it would, but it's vaguely possible.

You might argue that if the "last man standing" who took the money was a drug guy, he would not phone the police, but if it was some random normie (a hunter, like Moss), he might.

It just seems quite tenuous. Would be hard to show Moss thinking all this in the film but CM could have at least implied it in the book, if that was his intention.

A better explanation is *possibly* that Moss is not the sort of guy to involve the police in things ever anyway, unless he really has to. (Carla-Jean is the same way later on.)

His thinking might be, "hey, if I take this guy the water, it will ease his discomfort, and he might actually be alive when the police get down there, which they will do pretty soon anyway."

>>212918222
nigga what

>>212922262
>>212922222
>le radio transmitter

That thing did not have enough power to be read more than a few miles away, and even if it did, when it got put in the airvent it was in a farraday cage and wouldn't be able to be ready by more than 50 feet.

>>212922400
>No-one sane in that situation
>a bumfuck Nam army veteran living in the trailer in the 80s immediately assuming retarded cartel spic shoot out would have a tracking device in their fanny pack is bad writing, guys
A character making a mistake that is consistent with their character's worldview and knowledge is not bad writing, you autist who treats every plot point with 20/20 hindsight.

>>212922502
He's not generally a careless man and in that situation you would be thinking very hard and definitely be inclined to err on the side of "paranoia" (if you want to call it that). You would be very worried about getting tracked.

I'm not trying to "poke holes" in anything. When I saw the film first it stuck out like a sore thumb.

It would have been easy to fix without changing anything very much. Just show him taking the money out, bundle by bundle, & checking the bag over (or even ditching the bag and putting it in another bag). Then later (when he DOES find the transmitter) you show that it was completely hidden inside a bundle of notes, such that you could miss it easily if you were just handling the notes and not actually breaking each bundle down.

That would make the whole thing better. You would think, damn, he did what I would have done, and he STILL got tracked. Would be much scarier.

>>212922584
"Wow a suitcase full of money! Let me just not look at ANY Of it and just close it and run off!"

>>212922584
>>a bumfuck Nam army veteran
Nonsense. Moss is shown to be intelligent and capable. This is typical "ANYONE IN A FLYOVER STATE HAS A 75 I.Q." thinking and a million miles away from what Cormac McCarthy himself thinks. That’s why it was an uncharacteristic slip, in my opinion.

>>212922517
>A better explanation is *possibly* that Moss is not the sort of guy to involve the police in things ever anyway, unless he really has to. (Carla-Jean is the same way later on.)
I meant to include this in my previous reply but this is the exact answer. I know I wouldn't call the cops to leave an anonymous tip, for the cops to go out and possibly question a dying guy who both saw my face and talked to me, about a missing two million dollars in drug money.

>>212922664
>Wow, retarded cartel shoot out over cocaine in the desert. They obviously bugged every single fanny pack, good thing I, animal hunter in the 80s know about such practices and immediately assume such technology was employed right from the get go. Now that's some good writing, guys

>>212921719
>>212921961
She is dead the end floating in the pool.

>>212922742
You are a retard, I didn't insinuate looking for a radio device. I simply talked about what a normal person would do in that situation. As soon as they got home they would rifle through the case, inadvertently finding the radio transmitter.

>>212922705
>Moss is shown to be intelligent and capable
He is. Why are you presuming this mistake makes him dumb? Because you see scenes of Anton tracking him so naturally, you assume Moss must know this information? It doesn't mean he is omnipotent like you want every character to be. I have no idea why it troubles you that a guy like Moss wouldn't know that cartel spics would bug the cash. I don't know how this is played out in the book, but in the movie, when he discovers the tracker, he clearly looks at it like he has never seen such a thing before, and it only rouses his suspicion because Anton follows him right out of the motel.

>>212922536
>That thing did not have enough power to be read more than a few miles away
Maybe not even that much, but it never is, is it? Chigurh drives around and then his thingy beeps when he drives past the motel. That's like a quarter of a mile range or less.

>and even if it did, when it got put in the airvent it was in a farraday cage and wouldn't be able to be ready by more than 50 feet.
More interesting. If this is true maybe Cormac just didn't fact-check this deeply. Or maybe he didn't care. Even he is happy to sacrifice plausibility for coolness sometimes. (For example, the idea of anyone actually using a bolito to kill Brad Pitt at the end of The Counselor is very silly. No-one is going to do that. But it's cool so we have it.)

>>212922742
Any anon claiming that they would have checked for tracking devices in a giant bag full of dirty money they found at a crime scene in the Texas desert in the 1980s is full of shit. That's why I haven't been replying to them. We didn't have operational GPS until 1995.

Why would he use the same bag for the money which he found it in? They would instantly recognize the bag if they saw him with it.

>>212922262
faggot

>>212922831
>More interesting. If this is true
It is. Radio signals and electricity have extreme difficulty penetrating metal boxes and cages, even with holes in them, due to the electromagnetic effect of the box itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage

It's why you can't make cell phone calls locked in a shipping container....don't ask

>>212922047
it's great writing actually

>>212922457
thats because half of all murders are black on black and their retarded community is full of morons saying NO SNITCHING and no onehelps the police with the investigation and then later cry that the police never work hard to solve their random murders and JUSTICE FOR LA'QuANISHI

>>212922812
>You are a retard
>it's bad writing that character didn't randomly grope every wad in the bag finding the tracker on accident
Okay, retard.

>>212922720
>agua guy can I.D. Moss
THIS is a good point.

Maybe Moss should actually have gone back there and whacked the guy. Maybe that was his intention!


NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN
SCRIPT
DRAFT #2

EXTERIOR: The caldera. Night.

ENTER Moss.

DYING MEXICAN: Agua!

MOSS: [Takes deep, satisfying chug of water from the bottle]: Ah, that hits the spot.

MEXICAN: Agua!

MOSS: [Shoots Mexican in the head] Adios.

[MOSS leaves].

>>212922942
>grope every wad

If you found a container of cash, you would come home, empty it out, and count it. You would find the transmitter simply by the weight and shape of it, even if it was hidden in the cash.

>>212922952
"He was a.....white guy with dark hair"
"Ah yes that is Moss! I know his home address!"

>>212922982
>you would come home, empty it out, and count it
Except he was hiding the cash from his wife, clearly did not want to show it to her, and the very same night after he found the bag, he came back for the agua guy and has been on the run ever since. So no, he had no opportunity for the anon's great writing advice of groping every wad until a plot device is found.
But I guess you had to actually watch the movie to remember the sequence of events instead of arguing that it's bad writing for the characters to have arbitrary knowledge to obviate the events of the story, basing it on nothing "I'd do that and if they don't it's shit writing lol"

>>212923052
>witness or victim descriptions of perpetrators and accomplices have never led to them being captured

>>212923052
"Sir, I'm going to show you photographs of the 100 men who live in this area. Tell me if you recognize any of them."

"Why should I do this to help you, gringo pig?"

"If you do, you'll get some delicious agua."

"Si señor."

>>212923155
Yeah he would NEVER find ten minutes to himself in the bathroom, the garage, his own car pulled down a street - NOWHERE

>>212923183
Yes, in cases where the offender is known to the victim, or the police are able to get a sketch and spread the info. If I randomly rung your doorbell and slapped you in the face, barring a photo of me, no one is finding me out.

>>212923343
"Ok guys - everyone lineup for your cartel photos! Hurry because this dude is fucking dying~!"

>>212923155
I'm not this guy, I'm the other guy.

I'm not saying Moss would definitely count the cash, or definitely know they had bugged it. But he would be so worried about being tracked he would check just on the off-chance. He would surely throw away the bag in case it had a tracker embedded in it. And as I said he would do all this before he went home, because if they ARE tracking it, it's too late to destroy the tracker after you led them to your home.

>"the idea of a radio tracker would never enter his head"
No way. This sort of thing was common knowledge a long time before 1980. If you think not, then OK, this is where we just disagree, and there's nothing more to argue about really.

>>212917797
It's ok.

>>212923369
>Yeah he would NEVER find ten minutes to himself
Maybe he would the following day when his wife was not home. But he went for the agua guy, and after that, actually counting the cash was extraneous. Every wad is denominated as 10k. Why would he count every fucking wad manually to find the tracker?
Again, you are playacting that a character not doing what he has no opportunity or reason to do, to accidentally find the plot device is shit writing for simple reason that this is what you would have done with 20/20 hindsight.

>>212923369
>Yes, in cases where the offender is known to the victim, or the police are able to get a sketch and spread the info.
>white
>male
>dark hair and mustache
>beady eyes
>white cowboy hat
>carrying hunting rifle
right it's a small town not hard for the cops to say that sounds like x,y, and z

>>212923369
>"Ok guys - everyone lineup for your cartel photos! Hurry because this dude is fucking dying~!"

a) Moss can't be sure the guy WILL die, let alone die quickly.

b) You really think the police can't get photos of 100 guys in a small area in a short amount of time? They probably already have them. Even in 1980.

Anyway it's not even 100.

They just go to agua man first. He says, "hunter guy . . . rifle . . . didn't have no agua."

They know the 15 people who match that description. Get the 15 photos. Go to agua man with the photos (or the people themselves). Bingo.


Moss HAD to whack agua man. He had to whack him to save himself. And we should not condemn him for it. His only mistake was not going back after he found the money and doing it right away.

>>212923557
Are you retarded? He doesn't count every bill he count's every stack.

>>212923579
cops yes, cartel guy no

>>212923535
>This sort of thing was common knowledge a long time before 1980
Yeah, in like transport or police, not a cartel shoot out in the desert. The pretense that this was something obvious and common in the 80s is just absurd, especially from the perspective of a Texas hunter. RFID in the 80s was on trains, not in the dirty money of spic cartels. How is it shit writing for the layman to not assume it's bugged?

>>212917752 (OP)
What movies do you like?

>>212923749
As I keep saying:— he doesn't have to assume it's bugged!

But if he doesn't check, that's assuming it's NOT bugged! Big difference.

As soon as you find that money, your one thought in the world is making sure the cartel do not find you. You 100% check for a tracker even if you think it's very very unlikely.

>>212923658
>Are you retarded?
Are you? The tracker was in the wad so to find it he would had to look inside every single one. When he had no reason to actually do so?
So your amazing writing advice is to have two coincidences. Moss had to have count the money when he had no opportunity or urge to do so and that that tracker just had to fall out of the wad for him to find it.
You do realize that he found it specifically because he was looking for it too?

>>212923821
>You 100% check for a tracker even if you think it's very very unlikely.
No, that's what you, anon on /tv/, would have done after watching No Country for Old Men, where the character does not do so and enters the world of shit because of it. Not a Texas hunter in the 80s who lives in the trailer, who has never seen a tracker in his life, and who would not assume that retarded spics killing each other in the desert have also seen one. Do you think that the spic who got away from the shootout and died under the tree also should have checked for the tracker, and is it extremely shit writing for him not to do so?

>>212923849
Anon, you realize if you pick up and put down 12 objects that weigh the same amount, and one is 10% or so out of line in size or weight, you will pick up on that right?

>>212924028
>retarded spics
I've already addressed this. It's not a random mugging; it's large-scale organized crime. No-one is going to assume there are no people with any brains connected with this enterprise at any level.

>Do you think that the spic who got away from the shootout and died under the tree also should have checked for the tracker, and is it extremely shit writing for him not to do so?
No. Firstly, this guy might well have been a stupid low-level criminal. He might not have thought of it. Just because SOME people in cartel might well have thought to bug the money doesn't mean they are ALL clever.
Secondly, most importantly, this guy was wounded. Makes it much harder to think clearly. He was just trying to get away from the scene as quickly as he could.
Thirdly (less likely) maybe he was intending to search the money but died before he could.


Moss isn't wounded and has a lot longer to think and plan.

>>212924163
Anon, are we counting or looking for the tracker? Now we are approximating the weight of every wad while simply counting. Forget the fact that you are still arguing for the character to do something he has no opportunity or need to do. Does he need to know the exact amount? One of the wads is more money than he has ever seen in his life. Does he need to know if it's exactly a million?
>or so out of line in size or weight
It was cut into the wad, anon. He found it because he was specifically looking for it.

This whole scene with the sheriff in the motel is the definition of dishonest cinematography

>>212924372
We are counting, and by chance we discover the tracker because this wad is heavier and doesn't bend like the rest, hey what the fuck is THIS? I'm breaking it and tossing it. Maybe they are retarded and do it at home and now they have a last fixed position and the chase starts from there, and that is how they get the make/model/color of your car and your name and likeness. But no one is going to pick up a briefcase of cash and not go through it counting it.

Does he need to know? Fuck, you would want to know how much was in there. "Is it a hundred k or enough to fuck off forever lemme find out"

Also, yes humans can tell the difference in weight VERY easily, it's a subconscious thing built into our DNA, we are pattern finders by nature and that is how we survive. Like noticing that most crimes in this country are done by 14% of a certain population

>>212924232
>it's large-scale organized crime
It's five cars in the desert full of dead spics who couldn't do a handover right.
>No. Firstly, this guy might well
Anon, this was a rhetorical question; of course he had no reason to look for the tracker.
Pretending he should have checked for it is the same autistic reasoning as for the Moss. He also had barely any time holding the bag until he was on the run. And again, why would he assume it was bugged? Because he watched a movie where it happened? There are very justified reasons why he didn't check. It's not overruled by the fact that you, anon on /tv/, would do it in 2025.

>>212917752 (OP)
It shows that latinx are superior to whites

>>212924372
Once again I'm not this guy, I'm the other guy.

I agree with you that Moss would not necessarily count the money really carefully because to be honest exactly how much it is doesn't matter much at that point.

This is covered in the book and is sensible. He basically flips through one packet, sees roughly how many notes, what denomination, then looks how many packets, and does a rough calculatiion, which comes out as $2.5 million. That's fine.

My point is simply that he would definitely look very carefully for a tracker, including throwing away the original bag. If you think not, fine, we just disagree.

>cut into the wad
It wasn't *that* well hidden. In other words if you took all the packets out you would find it. It wasn't entirely embedded within one packet.

That's why I suggested that you could fix the problem by making it like that (embedded in one packet) so that Moss *does* throw the original bag away and *does* check to see if there's something hidden amongst the packets, but only finds the thing when he actually goes through each packet individually. That would be just about OK (although still a stretch, in my opinion. He's still being very casual about a life-or-death situation.)

>>212924484
>resorting to debunked racist claims
You lost

>>212924484
And maybe anon they pick up the bag, stash it under the trailer to avoid questions from their wife, and then go on the run the same night without figuring out the exact amount in it.
Like, this is an extremely spergy way to insist that something is badly written while you are in a convoluted and hyperspecific scenario trying to hypothesize how a character would have done something by basing it on nothing but your own actions during that same scenario.
This is layered autism.

>>212924578
>why would he assume it was bugged?
You keep deliberately making this silly mistake after I pointed it out so I can only assume you're trying to waste my time.

Just to tell you just once more:

He doesn't have to assume the money is bugged.

But if he doesn't check, HE IS ASSUMING IT IS NOT BUGGED!

There is a huge diference.


OK, I'm done. You can have the last word if you really want it.

its literally just a movie about every single character getting hoisted by their own pitard

the ultra careful paranoid guy makes an obvious slip up which directly causes his death
the agent of chaos loses to rng for no particular reason
etc

take any character and identify their main character trait, then have them fail to operate that trait at a key moment and they die/lose. thats the movie

>>212924718
>But if he doesn't check
It is shown in the movie why he doesn't empty the bag and count it.
You are arguing like he was holding it for weeks before having to go on the run with it. Again, you, anon, are applying a completely narrow scenario to character actions, pretending that it contradicts how the character is written when Moss has all the foundation conceivable to make the mistake that he did.

>>212924625
>but only finds the thing when he actually goes through each packet individually
I don't know about the book and how the tracking is described for the reader there. But this would be an useless scene in the movie. We know that he is being tracked because of Anton. So what's the point of showing him switching the bag to effectively achieve nothing for the story? Besides, it's a nice looking bag. Literally made for that exact amount of money too with nothing else fitting into it. It's very visually distinctive.

>>212921103
Maybe because Chigurh is some kind of chaos and nonsense death figure. He resume the nonsense that Bill at the beginning was complaining of and not willing on betting on. He summarize all of them committed by only one person (Chigurh), but maybe it's just a figurative way of all the crimes committed by the mafia, schizo guys etc. that kills people for stupid reasons, without any remorse like seen at the beginning, when Chigurh killed that cop.

>>212921216
because it's another figurative way used by the author to describe some nonsense behaviour seen by people that get lucky but, due to remorse, do sometimes something stupid without any real reason.

>>212921730
Just think about one thing: why Chigurh shoot at that crow while traversing the iron bridge? And the crow didn't died, just flew away.

>>212922536
To not mention that the battery soon or later would have died.

>>212922828
Even Carlson Wells says that Moss is not "cut" for what he is doing. Maybe he has been in 'Nam, but a thing is being a infantry soldier, a thing is being trained to be some sort of special forces or similar.

Anton was a CIA asset right? I haven't read the book but I'm thinking "why would a cartel hide a tracking device" unless it was some kind of sting that went very very wrong.

>>212925780
>Carlson proceeds to die in the most inane way possible.
take what he says with a grain of salt, he was just lucky that he worked with Anton rather than against him up until this case with the money

>>212922895
It was black and anonymous. Probably he rushed at home, without thinking that they could have been tracked. Even because, in the point where the exchange was occuring between the Mexicans and the other people summarized by the guy in the office, there was people buying a stock of drugs... for what? Why putting a tracker in the moneybag? You get the drug stock, they get the money. You put that thing only if you want to track them down. So this leads me to think that probably there was some governative team that was doing an anti-drug operation, luring a drug cartel in order to identify the place of their operations and catch them red handed to arrest them. Otherwise there's no reason why there was that tracker in the money bag since the beginning.

>>212925847
No, there was no CIA plot lol

>>212917752 (OP)
>I don't get the praise of this movie, it's a decent movie but people act like it's the single best movie in existence.
a lot of films from around the time were super overrated for some reason. no country, there will be blood, che, inception. all have been forgotten

>>212925917
But he goes into that office to kill those people. Seems like some CIA shit and his handlers are American.

>>212923343
>"Why should I do this to help you, gringo pig?"
>"If you do, you'll get your name in the film ending credits."

and then, at the end: "Agua man".

>>212924484
You're applying bad logic to storytelling and assuming that what YOU would do is what everyone else would do. That's not how it works. That's not how character writing works. And it's definitely not a "plot hole" like you retarded CinemaSins faggots seem to think

>>212926004
they are just drug dealers masquerading as business men to launder the money

>>212925525
>why Chigurh shoot at that crow while traversing the iron bridge
Because Chigurh is a mixture of rational and crazy, obviously. Like most crazy people. It's just very extreme in his case. He's very rational and can think very clearly even in stressful situations (wounded, etc) but he's also batshit insane (e.g. with these coinflips).

>>212924765
Moss didn't feel that paranoid or careful tho. Not even talking about not checking for trackers, just generally, he behaved like any above average intelligence man would have behaved in his situation

>>212922320
Good post and correct. Social Network is a film that is just very well made and excellent all around. Maybe not like an all time great but it’s up there for 21st century kinos.

Anyone hating is unironically trying to be contrarian

>>212924628
>debunked

I'm sorry even when accounting for education, income, location, parents - black commit violent crimes at 6x the rate of whites.

>>212921619
the music that plays during the credits immediately after this is so good too. The only piece of score in the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwGnW5L_Zrw

>>212925024
>But this would be an useless scene in the movie.
No, it would improve the film.

>We know that he is being tracked because of Anton. So what's the point of showing him switching the bag to effectively achieve nothing for the story?
The point is, NOT switching the bag is stupid and careless. Moss is neither, so it's unbelievable.
So we show him switching the packets of money into a new bag. Now he thinks he's safe. But when Chigurh can STILL track him, he thinks well, how is he doing this?? And he checks the money more carefully . . . and bingo. Just as he actually finds it, in the motel room, except he has to look a bit harder.

>Besides, it's a nice looking bag. Literally made for that exact amount of money too with nothing else fitting into it. It's very visually distinctive.
Err, lol. It is indeed a nice-looking bag. I personally would feel very sad to see it go as I threw it into a skip somewhere. But I would prefer that to being captured by a dozen swarthy gentlemen with cattle-prods and blow-torches who would like to know where their money is, please?

>first time in my incel career I watch a movie reaction channel
>it's these two moms - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBnJpyVWVtw&t=2958s
>they ask what movie next
>retarded redditor faggots are spamming No Country for Old Men
And when I say redditor I mean I know there's a faction of goy here on /tv/ that eat the slop. You were the ones that loved Dunc 2 and get mad when I make fun of Fury Road.

>>212926900
>NOT switching the bag is stupid and careless
Literally just in your opinion. It's objectively justified why he never suspects it's bugged, never goes through every bill, and is more preoccupied with trying to hide.
>But when Chigurh can STILL track him
What's the point? Just don't have him suspect anything until he is clearly presented with evidence that they know his exact location, for him to surmise that they must know exactly where he is by some other means.
Your estimation of Moss's intelligence is clearly inflated for no reason. He is not Jason Bourne. He is a guy who is verbatim told that he is over his head. After getting this warning, he still tries to hide in some other motel, where he is just gunned down even without the tracker. Like, the whole fucking argument started because you or some other guy called it shitty writing for the character to not do what they would have done. You keep calling it "common sense" when I pointed out several times, the time constraints, Moss's unawareness of who is actually on his tail, and so forth as justification for him to find tracker only after Anton comes to his motel.

>But I would prefer that to being captured by a dozen swarthy gentlemen with cattle-prods and blow-torches who would like to know where their money is, please?
Anon, I meant it as a prop for the movie. From a filmmaking aspect, it's a perfect container. It's a bag that can't contain anything but the cash it already holds. It's a very slick visual when he opens it and the wads are just tucked into it absolutely tightly and perfectly, like it was made for it.
The only reason for showing him getting rid of the bag is to achieve nothing but to satisfy someone who says, "yeeeeh I'd totally do that, I'm smart."

good but overrated
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