Thread 212933809

Was it really that bad?

Better than Alien 3 and Resurrection
Still not very good tho

Did these xenos have acid blood? I remember they were totally organic.

>>212933809 (OP)
Yes

>>212933809 (OP)
It’s flawed but as with every Alien film after Aliens the biggest issues stem from studio meddling. They somehow never learned.

>>212933809 (OP)
Yes, it was. Worst Alien movie maybe behind Resurrection

>>212933809 (OP)
It's great

>>212933809 (OP)
Same levels of stupidity as picrel, so not only it was bad but it was the second time.

>>212935024
>help I'm lost in the place I just mapped out

>>212933809 (OP)
No, it was certified kino

>>212933809 (OP)
I don't think you're supposed to be laughing so much during an "Alien" movie.

>>212933809 (OP)
Besides Ridley literally nuking the Prometheus sequel crushing the pizza egregiously and it had some cool visuals. Not really an alien movie despite the alien which shows up in the last five minutes.

>>212933809 (OP)
If you ignore the tacked on alien stuff, then it's a decent enough flick. It's really pretty, the locations are great, the basic premise of an Earth android coming to an alien world, genociding them, then starting to experiment to create monstrous life is kino. And on top of that he's damaged from before and heavily malfunctioning but believes he's perfect and godlike. There's a movie in there to enjoy, just cut out a bunch of unnecessary stuff. The actual alien and the whole ending battle wasn't needed.

David v David was a cool idea had some real gay incestual undertones while this Germanic looking actor listens to Wagner, you get it?

It isn't the best Alien movie
Which means it is still an ok sci fi horror movie, especially in wide release
This means this movie is unironically dog shit for some reason however

>>212935024
1:it was actaully an invitation
2:Yh no excuse taking of your helmet on an alien planet must be some of the dumbest shit ever even if the air is breathable, who knows what type of alien microorganism exist.
3&4:This guy (Fifield) gets a lot of hate but he was just a geologist as he said and you can see in the movie that those things he used to develop the map for the area of the cave it was for the people on the ship, they hade the overall view given to them by fifields mapped the area out for the people in the ship so then they report to those that where in the cave... so that part was not his fault he got lost cus those two decided to leave their overwatching posts and bang.
5:This guy is the real dumbest shit but yh he is a biologist finds an alien creature and gets excited. Still the dumbest one, take of helm try to interact with a fucking alien mega worm.... its so stupid.
6:He opened the door to kill everyone walking out had suits on even him when they burned fifield.

>>212935024
>>212935699
Worth noting that the helmet thing didn’t actually turn out to be a problem at all.
Nobody ever queries why the characters in Aliens go in without masks; for all they know a gas leak or some other airborne danger could have killed everybody

>>212935904
These are not Alien films. Don't even try to start comparing them like that. Prometheus is its own thing and made it's own stupid ass choices. Regardless, the colony on LV-426 has been there for decades and has breathable air. There are no bodies. They have sensing equipment. There's zero reason to suspect gas or any other sort of chemical. They keep their helmets on the whole time in the first movie. And before you whine about sticking your face in front of an egg, that's hindsight bias. There's nothing ever that can birth, immediately attack a grown opponent, and melt through their armored suit and thick glass to parasite them. So no reason for him to be scared of an egg at all.

>>212935606
The engineers here look like normies compared to the 7'8 ubermench Prometheus of the previous movie. It's implied this is just another seeded planet like earth and not the engineer homeworld? We will never know

>>212933809 (OP)
Prometheus was way worse as a film but at least it had some interesting ideas. Covenant was just super boring.

>>212935904
Yes it did it was still stupid, if you go to an alien planet hoping to find life, who knows what kind of pathogens, microrganism. or just small creatures that have evolved on this foreign planet, no scientsit would ever, ever take that risk just because the air is "breathable".
NOTE: They travel to this place hoping to find something because they were INVITED. Its not just a random rock planet in space that they can breath on and suddenly they decide to remove the helmets, that would be understandable. Because in that scenario they would have had no idea life existet. Nope our characters went to this planet because they presumed life was there.

>>212936168
>It's implied this is just another seeded planet like earth
I considered it, but I don't believe so. I think the Engineers themselves broke into factions based on their beliefs. These engineers liked creating normal life and were peaceful. The suited Engineers liked Xeno life and were aggressive and quick to anger. It's almost a tragedy that the crew met the suited Engineer first then David went on to kill the peaceful Engineers in revenge.

>>212933809 (OP)
I wouldn't know, I stopped watching after Prometheus, AKA the worst movie ever made

Ridley really, REALLY did not want to add back in alien stuff. He made it as dumb and fast-forwarded as possible. The facehuggers impregnate people in seconds and without even having to knock them unconscious. This guy got one on him and it was cut off in seconds, then he bursts later on the ship. The xenomorphs then grow to adult size in another few seconds. Ridley was just like "yeah yeah get on with it, I'm not doing the wait-around thing anymore"

>>212936189
Prometheus was at least kind of pretty looking and the woman was cute. Covenant has nothing going for it outside of the sheer comedy of how bad it is.

>>212936275
It seemed like the arrival of the ship was some foretold prophecy of theirs when the entire city came out to greet it. Like there was a higher caste of engineers who were mythical and thought to be extinct.

>>212933809 (OP)
It was depressingly lacking any sort of creative effort. I barely watch any new movies and I'm disheartened each time something comes my way.

>>212935456
That first neomorph scene really is comedy gold

>>212936244
>Yes it did it was still stupid
It’s completely reckless, just saying it didn’t actually end up posing any health hazards whatsoever

>>212937763
The helmet thing plays into another problem of Prometheus that's annoying: they believe they are flying to Heaven to meet actual God and Angels. Since they are doing that, then God would have breathable, microbe-free air, of course. Then finding out it's just boring ancient aliens that are also mortal makes them suicidally depressed. It's really dumb because at no point did anyone promise them they'd meet God on that planet and there was no reason to get expectations up that crazy high.

>>212933809 (OP)
You unironically need high IQ to understand this movie.

>>212933809 (OP)
David the robot was a real rascal in it. A great villain and story. Horror movies only work when everyone is retarded and this really nailed that.

>>212933809 (OP)
I rewatched Prometheus and Covenant before Romulus came out last year, and I can confirm they both still suck donkey dick.

>>212936168
It's the Engineers, their civilization has massively declined which is why David recites Ozymandias.

>>212939448
Lol

>>212937687
>Benny Hill segment in a fucking horror movie

>>212933840
UGGGGGGHHHHHHHH QUESTIONABLE

I think I'd rather watch Alien 3 & 4 than Covenant & Prometheus ...

However Alien Romulus MIGHT MIGHT be less worse than Prometheus & Covenant

>>212933809 (OP)
I liked it. I would have enjoyed an entire movie of good and evil Fassbenders discussing philosophy while playing ping pong and experimenting on humans, to be fair. Should have kept the Prometheus branding and made him/them the main characters. The Alien shit bogged it down.

>>212933840
Resurrection is underrated kino.

>>212940621
Yep. The Fassbender parts and Prometheus parts were what was interesting. I don't know what Ridley was thinking setting it in this boring village. Even if it were supposed to be just a world they seeded, it's not that interesting and doesn't carry a whole movie. But David had to be stuck somewhere for years and go insane, I guess.

>>212940355
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8M6ver-Sfs

People meme on the first neomorph scene way too hard. It's perfectly reasonable for people to panic seeing their friend all fucked up and an alien burst out of him. And reasonable to uncontrollably slip on a bloody floor. The primary bad parts there are attributable to Ridley's design of the alien baby and his overall tiredness of its lifecycle. Everything is sped up super fast now. The original chestburster had to run and hide since it was vulnerable. This one can immediately attack and kill a grown woman, then break through protective glass on a door while it's still small enough to get out but growing fast.

Point is, they were trying to make parts of it realistic and plausible and they should get credit for those. There's no way to make any of these movies satisfy viewers these days since everyone just says "I know what's happening next so I wouldn't have done it that way! Therefore all these characters are retarded idiots!"

Prometheus had flashes of brilliance despite the movie being mostly shit. Covenant had no such flashes

>>212942884
Covenant did have flashes. It's a fun little scifi story to watch if you consider it its own thing.

all the new alien movies have been good.
>nooo the people did heckin stupid stuff which led to their deaths!
its a horror science fiction type slasher movie you pretentious cunt

it was kino

>>212943024
This except for the new zoomer one, and even that one was like a C-grade movie. Too many membetbetries

>>212940355
>>212942260
>Slipping on the blood MULTIPLE times, blowing up the fucking ship
I totally forgot about this part holy shit. I was mostly remembering the scene where the fucking alien is spinning around in circles fucking ninja kicking people. It was like watching the most demented kung fu movie ever made. I was laughing hysterically and wondering what the actual fuck the entire time.

>>212942984
omg he just like a DNA helix fr fr og

i liked it despite it's flaws
the ending on the ship could have been way better to cap it off

>>212943581
Can someone explain to me why the fucking stupid japs can NOT figure out how to animate human cgi characters and always make them move like marionettes?

>>212943024
*EATS YOU ALIVE*

YOU WILL SHUT THE FUCK UP WHEN A MILLENNIAL SPEAKS TO YOU ZOOMER
AND YOU WILL ABSOLUTELY KNEEL BEFORE A GEN-XTREMER

Go feel above a gen-alpha you little zombie.

Engineers being monks that live in a jungle is not compatible with their super advanced spaceships and technology

I saw the trailer and the first thing that happens is they step on an alien plant that spews spores that go directly into their lungs and I was already fucking checked out

What's even going on in this franchise's universe?
Is this story going somewhere?
Does it need to go somewhere?
What the fuck is even supposed to happen, and from which movie to this point?

>>212944348
Are humans all the same group and all have the same technological capabilities? No. So why would you assume Enginers are all the same?

>>212944554
Well, Prometheus/Covenant is its own series/franchise and is not going anywhere since it's essentially canceled.

>>212944554
The story up until Romulus was clearly going in a direction where David either creates the Xenomorph or something comparable. Since the redirection with the Disney acquisition, who knows. I guess they're following the new girl and her android from Romulus.

>>212933809 (OP)
I thought it was kino and the people seething brings me joy

>>212945108
Oh it was. But not intentionally. It was kino like the bane scene is kino. Don't think for one second these directors are geniuses. They DID NOT intend for their movies to be enjoyed like this.

>>212945293
It doesnt matter honestly

>>212940613
>reddit spacing
>reddit syntax
>reddit capitalization / emphasis on specific words

>>212944633
Don't they find the coordinates to the planet David goes nuts on in some log or star map at the end of Prometheus? That kind of implies the engineer we saw there would be the same as the ones on the planet. Why would that engineer be traveling back to a different culture and civilization?

>>212943024
>all the new alien movies have been good.
lol
lmao even

>>212945364
It does. Nolan's a hack. We're laughing AT him, not with him.

>>212944662
Rain is supposed to be nu-Ripley for zoomers.
Rain and Andy are basically the Alien franchise version of Rey and Finn (i.e. the stronk independent female and her black sidekick).

>>212942984
>>212943220
Look the garden in covenant, it’s the Isle of the Dead

all the alien movies are good except 4

>>212945556
There's a garden? I don't know how you can see shit in any movie or tv show from this "everything has to be pitch black" period.

>>212942822
Yeah this is why I can’t watch the ending of Romulus. The alien baby grows literally 10 feet tall in a matter of seconds. It’s like they don’t give a shit about making these movies half decent anymore, just pour the slop on the plate as fast as possible.

>>212945829
>just pour the slop on the plate as fast as possible.

Duh. You're never going to get the same experience at the end of the franchise as at the beginning. When it has been institutionalized and become the IP of some megacorporation managed by corporate bureaucrats rather than the original team, you're getting slop after slop. Because they are explicitly thinking along the lines of "how to farm this existing IP for money" rather than "how to make a good movie".

>>212945819
It’s quite dark but picrel

>>212940613
>types like this
>doesn't like prometheus
I'm always right about everything.

>>212940613
link to your blog? you sound cute...

>>212933809 (OP)
its great, i love it. i don't give a fuck about engineers or muh lore i just enjoy the events, the places, the atmosphere, the feeling. fuckin read a book if you want plots

>>212933809 (OP)
Rewatching it now

>>212948757
>>212933809 (OP)
Okay, it's better than I remember it being. I feel like all the supporting cast was passable, no one felt grating like some of support in Prometheus. The pale xenos looked pretty terrifying except when they opened their mouths. I hated the spore concept, though, it seems too advanced given that it's leading up to the xenomorph. The climax on the Covenant was lame. I heard Fox pushed for standard Alien shit, so I wonder if Scott just went through the motions and redid the same stock ending from, at that point, 3 of the 5 Alien films. Still love the open ending with David. He carries the movies, and I was hopeful the next Alien movie would have him, but shit's canned. Maybe they'll find a way to tie this Romulus series back to him since they weren't afraid of using the Engineer concept.

>>212933809 (OP)
The neomorphs were cool and it had some of the best gore in the franchise. But the characters were all trash. They were just there to die and the movie wasn’t being subtle about it. Should have just made David the protagonist

>>212951453
David's the antihero

>>212933809 (OP)

It mogged Prometheus, but that’s it

>>212944348
It only means they're advanced spiritually as well as technologically.

I've never watched this but I enjoyed prometheus

My name is ozimandias, king of kings. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.

>>212936168
yeah it was definitely a seeded planet. just one where the ubermensch were satisfied with the result and revealed themselves to the humanoids

it makes way too sense in the context shown in the scenes
>contrast of the biomechanica spaceport and ancient rome tier stone hut city
>humanoids look nothing like the ubermensch
>entire city ran to greet the arriving spacecraft like its a major event
>humongous circular area that clearly houses an underground hangar like the one seen in prometheus. Almost like the city was built around an existing ubermensch biomechanica base

>inb4 but david claimed
david is full of shit, a liar and manipulator. shown consistently through the movies. There is no reason why he should have helped shaw bring an unmarked ship into the ubermensch stronghold with god knows what defenses when he could have very easily read the starmap and taken course for another seeded world. With his real intention being running experiments on the ubermensch pet project

>inb4 but ridley said
ridley aint no authority in this. his direct input lead to many of the dumb fuck moments in prometheus by cutting out key scenes that gave some context to the stupidity

>>212933809 (OP)
Yes, like prometheshit and romulus

>>212953349
Just wanted elizabeth to interact with them. I really hate that this had to be connected to alien in some way, prometheus set up a great story, maybe its not the best movie but it did great build up for a sequel. Then everyone cried that prometheus was not "alieny" enough that coupled with ridleys dementia and quarrel with fox about what the movie should be about made this into a shitshow.

>>212953349
the writers call it the engineer city in the script, nice headcanon though

>>212953853
Don't even blame the audience. Ridley's the one who called it an Alien prequel for no reason except to bait and switch everyone. It should have been it's own series and Ridley should have been honest about that. Tricked people are allowed to complain they were tricked.

Why didn't Ridley plan the damn story out in advance?

>>212933809 (OP)
yes. It felt like an unintentional parody.

>>212956229
He wanted to make 6 movies but people complained that there were no xenomorphs in Prometheus so the studio forced him to rush the story and have more aliens in the sequel.

>>212934628
But enough about Romulus

>>212956229
I think he had something plannet, but after Prometheus wasn't such a big critical hit, the studio wanted Covenant to be different. For all good an bad, Prometheus did something different and even philosophical mixed with some bafflingly stupid shit. It was so close to a good movie.

>>212956229
He clearly had a plan at least to some degree, spoke publicly on multiple occasions about what was coming next, then Fox wanted changes. Make Prometheus less of a direct Alien prequel then work towards Alien, rush to Alien stuff and sideline things from Prometheus, etc. He had to fight to include any of the planetary arrival flashback in Covenant (we didn’t get it all) because they wanted it all pulled

>>212956229
He did. I remember reading an interview where he talked about what the movies would be named and what would be happening. But Prometheus alone had 11 scripts, and halfway through pre-production, Fox forbid him from using the Alien in the movie out of pure spite because of license fuckery, so clearly something went wrong.

>>212933809 (OP)
I liked alien
I liked aliens
I liked 3 and 4 though not as much
I liked covenant, prometheus, romulus
Liking things is apparently contrarian on this site
Avp extinction NEEDS a pc release with mapmaker and pvp

the whole theater laughed at the gay flute scene

>>212956595
I don't believe he did. It's far too jumbled and obviously making things up on the fly. They can't decide why the engineers hated humans, if it should be Jesus or not, if Jesus should be an engineer or human, what kind of planet Shaw and David would fly to (low tech roman or super advanced world with a ring around it), etc. Instead all Ridley had was: ancient engineers created humans and decided to hate them, humans created androids which what human, creators try to kill creations whils creations try to kill creators, throw in some random goo transforms, zombies and squid monsters so the audience can say oooh mysterious! Then they figured to make up shit on the spot for each sequel and not answer anything from any previous movie. Ridley loves his androids so he just moved it all towards evil android while ignoring the engineers the audience came to see.

>>212956935
They came to see a film about a rapey penis monster, so they sound like morons to be honest

>>212956958
>while ignoring the engineers the audience came to see
Fox specifically had him sideline the engineers. The arrival sequence that exists in a rather cut down form was something he had to fight to include at all because they overreacted to the more negative comments online and decided they wanted all the Prometheus related stuff out of the way

>>212933809 (OP)
It's inherently flawed because it's not a hard sequel to Prometheus which is what everyone who isn't a drooling retard wanted. Nobody wanted another Xeno shitfest with dumb characters and cringe dialogue. It could have been interesting if they didn't kill off Shaw, but they did and what we got was this slop.

The Neomorphs are a cool concept and the Walter/David dynamic is interesting, but it's not good enough. Even Romulus is better.

>>212957179
Unfortunately Fox listened to all the worst people online and forced Scott’s hand

Good concept (humanity finds its creators only to learn they've long been destroyed, and by a human creation no less) stuck in a stupid, lowbrow movie.
>HURR DURR YOU ATTRIBUTED POETRY TO THE WRONG POET
>oh wait this is an aliens movie, we need some stupid "horror" scenes
>human characters less human than literal robots

>>212957294
>HURR DURR YOU ATTRIBUTED POETRY TO THE WRONG POET
What’s the problem with that, exactly?

>>212957294
You didn't understand that's showing David is malfunctioning? He's not the infallible, perfect God he thinks he is.

>>212957179.
Prometheus was ass, so of course people wanted something different. What if God was...LE ALIEN is a retarded concept, and not original either.

>>212935024
The autismal cavalcade of fuckups leading to the shuttle exploding was hilarious

>>212957348
The concept is: what if humans were created by ancient aliens. And it is interesting. Doesn't discount the idea of God, it's just different than everyone's always been told. Which of course is very upsetting, but very interesting to find out the truth.

What was the point of the captain being religious? Its like they wanted to do something with that then they didnt.

>>212957402
>The concept is: what if humans were created by ancient aliens.
Nigger there's a billion books, movies and even video games with this concept. It's only interesting if you're 12 and don't know any better.

>>212957327
>>212957344
It's not a convincing mistake for a machine to make, very infantile writing and a lousy attempt to shoehorn poetry into the plot.
It could've worked, it just doesn't.

>>212957386
That's how disasters happen in real life though. It's like scenes can't be portrayed realistically since they won't be believed and just laughed at. But you'll mock an unrealistic scene too

>>212957431
What games?

>>212957460
He’s broken and due to his far too human delusions of grandeur doesn’t realise or accept it. It’s not a mistake he should be making, no. Which is the point.

>>212944554
This makes me reconsider my feeings on Romulus.
The answer is nowhere, it just needs to be alien killing people on a spaceship, ad nauseum.

>>212957426
Ridley really wanted the whole series to be about religion, beliefs, and how the affect humans. Like the first movie having people crumble learning God wasn't on the planet and the aliens were mortal. This movie was them laughing at and not trusting the religious guy since he believes in fairy tales. Ridley didn't integrate the ideas very well.

>>212957537
And he just happens to only make that mistake and no others? I just don't buy it.
It's too convenient.

>>212957460
>shoehorn poetry
The guy is seen playing piano, and talking about operatic music, and poems all the time. He's supposed to be learned, intelligent and highbrow. It's the Roy architype from Blade Runner and Ridley's favorite. David was severely damaged in Prometheus. He believes he's perfect, immortal, infallible, and a great creator. Walter calling him out shows he can't see his glaring flaws. He's gone insane. It's pretty good story telling for anyone that doesn't just seething that there's poetry in a film.

>>212957471
>Assassin's Creed
>Halo
>Xenoblade/saga/gears
To name a few, but I think Japan has way more.

>>212957685
Look it's great that you bought it. I didn't. We'll never see eye to eye if you think that part was cleverly made.

>It's pretty good story telling for anyone that doesn't just seething that there's poetry in a film.
I have no problem with poetry in films, in fact I welcome it. I just think this instance was incredibly poorly done, and it's more jarring because the film skillfully uses the Ozymandias verse elsewhere to good effect.

>>212957690
The forerunners were humans thoughbeit

>>212957590
That was far from his only weird little quirk though, it’s just something he got pulled up on. Bizarre complaint

>>212957431
Name 5 of each.

>>212957972
Point to another scene where he's shown to malfunction.

>Bizarre complaint
I'm not the first nor the last to make it.

>>212958021
His voice glitches constantly following the damage received in Prometheus which is an obvious malfunction and his delusionally grandiose behaviour in general is shown to have not been what was intended from the day he was activated. Weyland is visibly irritated by it immediately, we’re later told that his idiosyncrasies disturbed people resulting in changes to how the robots were produced. From day one he wasn’t functioning as originally intended, then later was damaged and unable to receive proper maintenance for a decade. It’s clearly explained in the film

>>212958754
Not him but Weyland was proud of David, during the journey he spoke to him rather than his daughter and he presented him to the Engineer as the reason he deserves to live forever. The changes were made after Weyland's death, David has been on the planet for like 10 years.

>>212942260
>Women ruin everything
It's almost great.

>>212933809 (OP)
I was able to watch these pretentious movies and enjoy them turning it off. I cant say the same for Alien 3 a movie that every pretentious faggot praises.

>>212959304
You sound quite pretentious

>>212933809 (OP)
it was kino, Fassbender is the man

>>212933809 (OP)
one of the worst sci-fi movies

>>212933809 (OP)
>spores lead to aliens
why do we need the eggs, the queens and the facehuggers then? It seems unnecessery when they can be created from FUCKING SPORES

>>212933809 (OP)
Prometheus>AvP>Covenant>AvP2>Alien>Aliens>Alien 3>Resurrection
This is from an unbiased person who recently watched all of the alien movies for the first time.

>>212961477
What did you like about avp?

>>212933809 (OP)
It was good
>But too complicated for the cape shit faggots to understand so these dumb fucks label it as le bad movie

>>212959145
He was proud of his own achievement because he thought he could control it, but he’s visibly bothered by him after David points out that he will live and Weyland will die, then David just starts playing along and waiting for his time to come.

>>212933809 (OP)
I just don't get how it is rated lower than Prometheus. Watching them again, it's just clearly much better.
Something about the pacing in Prometheus is really grating.

>>212933809 (OP)
Morons who enjoy this crap is why we will never have good Alien movie anymore

>>212961455
It's pretty obvious Ridley didn't want them to be prequels but more reboots. It's way more fun to have things be more advanced. But then he has to pretend it's even better in the original which it's obviously not. Spores would eradicate Earth before humans could do anything unlike facehuggers and xenos

>>212942260
What the fuck am I watching?
t. confused tourist
Shit, it's newborn organic matter a foot long, stomp it to death or something

>>212961876
You don't rate the middle section of a novel as above the beginning section. That's retarded. They're not in competition and it's all one story. You want to rate fairly, then how does Prometheus/Covenant compare to Alien/Aliens?

>>212935904
>Nobody ever queries why the characters in Aliens go in without masks
Because LV-426 had been undergoing terraforming for 30 years, the atmosphere was breathable and there was no life whatsoever indigenous to the planet. A gas leak would not cause the entire facility to stop contact over-night.

>>212935904
>Nobody ever queries why the characters in Aliens go in without masks
Because it's a colony planet that's being terraformed.

>>212961455
Beacuse...its just because OK. Ridley did the same evolution/life cycle nonsense with Prometheus

The only good ALIEN is the original.

By reciting Ozymandias, David is implying that this once great galaxy spanning empire of engineers has fallen and turned to dust. And he's helping kill it off for good. I kinda like the idea on its own. Ridley fucked it all up by making it tied to alien so it can't be discussed on its own merits though.