Thread 212946282

Foundation S3 is everything I had hope it was

The villian is way too generic compared to the books, but I still enjoy him.

booba

>>212946429
it’s obviously a fake-out

I haven't seen this show but have read (most) of the books. is it worth it? would they be at Second Foundation or Foundation's Edge by now?

>>212946282 (OP)
what actor ended up being the mule

I watch for he

>>212946574
Pilou, unfortunately.

>>212946502
She's ten thousand years old you sicko!

nice ad faggot, not watching

Is there two episodes of season 3 out now? Is it good so far? I'll have to download them tomorrow?

>>212946779
>She

>>212946282 (OP)
you even liked the mallow and han scene in episode 2? they were so fucking insufferable.

>>212946836
I like Mallow.

>>212946282 (OP)
ryan dunn cgi? Don't tell bam.

theres no way people here actually watch streaming slop lmao

>>212946942
>go on /tv/
>find out people watch tv

fucking crazy shit man

this show is terrible but i love it for some reason
lee pace just carries hard
but is there not gonna be a magnifico?

>>212946551
They are half way through Second Foundation. I read the books completely, and the show is significantly different but is IMO better than a straight retelling of the books.

The funniest part is the worst parts of the show are the battles themselves. They're pretty boring, which fits with the books where the specifics of the battle didn't matter. The characters, the world building, and setting are just very comfy and interesting.

I was forced to watch the first season twice, because my wife wanted to watch after I started season 2 (I thought she would find the show boring), and it was actually very interesting the second time around since a ton of shit I didn't understand I did the second time.

Here's a test: If you think the Expanse first season was great up until the Donnager episode, where you felt it was a boring space battle, then you will like Foundation TV Show. If you thought The Expanse didn't get good until the Donnager battle episode, then you will not like Foundation.

>>212946282 (OP)
I watched the first two and I'm like yeah this sucks

>>212946574
that shitty danish actor who played euron greyjoy in game of thrones

>>212946282 (OP)
You hoped it would be a blackwashed, retarded version of the original?

Whenever the emperors show up everything is interesting, but whenever black women show up I zone out

>>212947864
This is like watching man in the high castle for the nazis

>>212946282 (OP)
white ahh show

>>212948464
Exactly

>>212946972

cool I'll scope it out. I mean I liked the books for the world-building and environment.

>>212946282 (OP)
Lee pace and Mr kino Jared Harris carry this show so hard

>>212948464
unironically isnt that what youre watching man in the high castle for? the interesting part of the premise is what if nazi germany but in america (or japanese empire but in america)

is the interesting part supposed to be the resistance? that stays essentially the same no matter what setting its in

>>212946681
Sounds kinda gay

The Mule will blow up Trantor, won't he?

>>212949515
that’s actors gay irl

The Emperor Dude abides.

>>212949529
I am betting so. The show writers can't seem to figure out how to write it so that societies fall apart through decay of culture, politics, or complacency. It always has to be with some big calamity: The space elevator, the two planets being nuked, the fleet being destroyed, and probably the superweapon being used on Trantor or some other important planet..

>>212949726
This was such a neat concept with great performances. Shame its stuck in such a a terrible show. At least it's burning hundreds of millions of Apples money

>>212947864
I unironically developed this habit of fast forwarding all the scenes with the bland black females and the series suddenly got good. Doesn't even feel like I missed anything important.

The scene where Gaal wakes up on a spaceship and sciences the shit out of figuring out where she is was so funny to me. It lasts for so fucking long and its just a montage of random space mumbo jumbo with no explanation that exists for the sole reason of making her look heckin smart.

I only watch for the the emperor(s). Gaal is so fucking boring and gay. Atleast Jared Harris keeps me awake during her scenes. The Mule could be interesting but so far he's just comically evil.

Atleast something seems to happen this season. The less I see of Gaal, the better.

>>212947006
he's still playing euron in foundation

>>212946825
first ep was kind of shit to me but the second is better

>>212950379
how many different Days has he portrayed now?
also current dusk begging to help with this crisis to save his own skin is lul worthy

>>212946550
lol

>>212946282 (OP)
I haven't bothered watching it yet, so I have only one question; how niggerlicious is it?

>>212951775
>how many different Days has he portrayed now?
12, 13, 16, 17 and whatever number the newest one is. Plus technically also Cleon I during his "Day" years, though of course he didn't have that title.

>>212946282 (OP)
isnt this show woke as fuck?

>>212951847
what does woke mean

It's so far into the future that there should be no white characters. Everyone should be a weird mutt.

>>212946282 (OP)
>all the interesting characters are played by competent white men
Many such cases

>>212951906
leftist ideology

>>212946681
brother dusk is up there with him

>>212952439
Love that they keep changing his regalia to show the passage of time and fashions, lots of great little production details like that.

>>212947864
I think it's agreed on by most that Dornick & Hardin are the weakest parts of the series. I think Mule will be up there too by the end of S3.

>>212952502
Jared Harris fucking sucks in this too, which was surprising.

>>212946970
Showrunner confirmed magnifico
>>212949726
Dusk is going away soon so I hope the writers do something interesting with Dawn. It'd be really disappointing if he's just being controlled by gaal.

>>212952610
>Dusk is going away soon
I think he'll likely be around the entire season, the narrative will prevent him from needing to be decommissioned.

Imagine being day, the actor playing him being able to show your full expression of acting in a single series

>>212953190
Very common Lee Pace W.

>>212946282 (OP)
I don’t see how this dude is in any way the Mule

>>212952776
Demrezel keeps very good time though
so hopefully he isn't just fighting against being turned ho ash

>>212953448
;)

>>212952610

Dawn is likely to be evil one of the trio this time around.

>>212950379
It would actually destroy the whole planet like a bullet hitting a apple or watermelon

The energy output of the black hole’s quasar is equal to the gravitational binding energy of most earth sized planets

>>212946282 (OP)
season 3 is fucking garbage

>>212946551
Do you want to see Harry seldons role replaced by a black Lady with magic powers and later another one also with Magic powers who is her daughter? If so you will love the show.
Legolas's dad fuckin slaps tho, I watch for he.

>>212956540
>another one also with Magic powers who is her daughter?
You forgot to tell him she's Salvor Hardin

>>212956540
lee pace sexo
demrezel sexo
gaal sexo

I'm going to wait until all the episodes are out and then only watch the empire scenes. I took some random anons suggestion to do this in s2 and it really made the show much better.

>Here's how brother Dusk can still survive
I am coping so hard for him to escape or at least slap that android hoe around a bit before he goes. The synergy Empire has in scenes is just wonderful.

>>212957445
do you not remember demrezel snapping that one dawn's neck?

>>212957445
Follow up question, I wonder if they are going to do something with the Brother Dawn escaped in the previous season or if he has died during the 150~ year timeskip.

>>212957445
He wasn't exactly expecting to killed I wager

>>212957560
>>212957596

>>212957596
>or if he has died during the 150~ year timeskip.
He very likely did. His kid or grandchild could be in there though.

>>212957596
>>212958045
Gaal didnt died in the time skips

>>212957596
nhis husk is expecting the same

>>212958176
Because she was in cryosleep. No reason for the escaped Dawn to do that rather than simply live his life.

>>212958231
Its been a while since I watched but didn't the show also take into account the time dialation of near light speed travel?

>>212958345
I don't believe so. All the ships in the show are also FTL.

>>212946282 (OP)
It's really comfy. It's like GoT mixed with Dunc.
Also, I'm the only person on this site who likes Gaal

>>212946681
I like how Day is an apathetic hippy this season.

>>212956797
I agree with all three of your statements.

The one thing that annoys me the most about this show is all the implied nudity. Like pick a lane.
If you don't want to put tits in your show, fine. But why do you need so many scenes of women undressing to not show them? Why not just show them if that's what you want?

#teamgaal

it would be everything I asked for if they removed gaal and meaningless boring action like bike chase in the first episode

>>212949515
Yes, and?

>>212958429
Except the first foundation ship

I adored the books. Wrote the show off immediately because iirc they race and gender swap one of the main characters, but I'm curious now. What are the worst parts and what are the best parts? The emperor character seems kino.

>>212958793
Nope, the journey was" just" a few years despite the trip to Terminus being like 50k light years.

>>212958880
>What are the worst parts
The (first) foundation in season 1
>and what are the best parts?
literally anything empire

>>212958909
I could have sworn there was a plot point about how their ship didnt go as fast as other ships. Time for a rewatch.

>>212958880
It is only superficially related to the books. The best part is the imperial storyline, as usual, Lee Pace specifically knocks it out of the park. The worst part is the foundation storyline in S1, but IMO it improves a lot in S2, though here too there's a mentalic storyline that drags. Surprisingly, Jared Harris as Hari Seldon is rather crap.

>>212958880
You're not going to enjoy it if you're expecting a straight adaptation of the books.
It's basically an original scifi show that takes a lot of inspiration from the books. If you enjoy it for what it is, it's great. If you whine about minorities and women then you'll hate it.

>>212958880
>because iirc they race and gender swap one of the main characters
they cast a really attractive cute black girl though

>>212959031
It doesn't compared to the jumpships, but it's still FTL.

>>212956540
Hari didn’t do shit once Foundation and Empire rolls around, he has a much more active role in the show than he ever did in the books. Also Salvor fucking dies

>>212958431
Gaal’s fine, she was at her worst when she first woke up from cryosleep the first two times and they had to take her character through being traumatized as fuck. When Hari disappeared again she barely reacted because by this point she’s used to it.

>>212959012
boobies

>>212946282 (OP)
Okay, but is it FOUNDATION? Like does it give the same feeling as reading the books? Because only the first episode of the first season felt like that for me, and it fell off a cliff very quickly.

>>212950379
he's so mean :(
Day has just given up huh
kinda miss the s2 war monger

>>212959038
Disagree, I like Harris. He gets more to chew on than I expected him to given how he seemed to at first just be playing the same exasperated scientist telling the people in charge that shit is fucked as he did as Valery Legasov in Chernobyl.

>>212959225
>>212959225
Mule is here

>>212946282 (OP)
THANK YOU SAR

>>212959330
He's a good actor and I do tend to like him, but unfortunately he sucks in this. He did do a decent job in that flashback 'sode so it might in part be the material, but then again I don't see Lee Pace having that problem.

>>212946282 (OP)
I know I'm going to sound like a "books were better" boomer, but I have to vent.
>Gaal Dornick, arguably the most insignificant character from the books, turned into a she/her Mary Sue
>Seldon taunting Empire with "you don't propose anything fresh because of cloning" yet turns himself into a computer, literally putting himself in charge of the Foundation for centuries (even if covertly), can't he see the irony in that?
>same thing with Gaal, girl boss who's going to be there all the way
>the whole point of The Mule, an anomaly psychohistory CAN'T predict, made moot because somehow they see him coming from centuries away
At least Empire storyline is still decent to watch, I understand why they wouldn't want to change the top cast, but that just turns Foundation into a basic sci-fi story.

>>212959558
I don’t see it, he’s fun and does what he’s best at: delivering exposition in a way that keeps the viewer engaged. Plus, I like how Vault Hari is clearly starting to get a little unhinged compared to knife Hari, who I guess is gonna go back to being an AI.

>>212959659
poster here, based

this show is insane in the fact that everything is pure shit EXCEPT 1 the aesthetics 2 the emperor actors/storyline/general vibe which is absolute 10/10
I dont care what happens i just want more scenes of those 3 fuckers being dickheads but also you pity their sad situation, and It's fucking brilliant. And also that robot cunt. My god how can you strike gold so hard and then tack on the rest of the terrible mary sue crap. And I do agree jared haris is totally phoning it in and overrated.

>>212959852
You need the Gaal stuff because the second foundation is one of the weakest aspects of the original series. I wouldn’t exactly call Gaal a mary sue, her life fucking sucks and she’s basically got nothing except the Plan now.

>>212946282 (OP)
I think i saw most of the first season and the short haired dykey black women were annoying.
Do they keep them in the second and third seasons?

>>212960112
Salvor dies at the of S2, Gaal is still around.

>>212959943
>the second foundation is one of the weakest aspects of the original series

It wouldnt have to matter if they cared about the source, because for a long time, second foundation is in the backgrounds, we follow the story from "pov" of the (first) Foundation, and we sometimes get characters mentioning second foundation (what is it, is it a myth, does it exist, where is it) which is hiding in the shadows with only covert agents here and there.
We have them tricking Mule, tricking Arkady, tricking First Foundation, and thats about it.
I think it works better if theyre in shadows because they're basically telepaths, which is bullshit

>>212960388
The problem is that the story is barebones if it ONLY followed the first foundation and the other stuff was kept in the shadows like the book did. Like you expect to have a full season of Magnifico the clown fucking with the nice couple and old professor?

>>212960138
>>212960112
Not only that, but Salvor (short hair) got better as an actor, while the Gaal actress (longer hair) remains terrible.
What >>212959852 says is correct, it's like this show was assembled by different people who didn't communicate. A lot of the actors are fucking SHIT.
Gaal is a main char and is awful, so bad she drags down Jared Harris, a guy who normally shits out believable behaviour like he's been on the curry and guinness the night before.
But meanwhile you have Lee Pace dominating every scene he's in, elevating the Dusk and Dawn actors, every actor in fact (like his fiancee woman in S2) that shares a scene with him.
No way the same casting team did the whole show. The mutt actors in particular seem pretty bad, though Brother Constant and Hoobler or whatever the conman's name was were okay.

>>212960544

Lee Pace telling his older self that he has no hope but to die was such a fantastic scene in episode 2.

Honestly you could cut majority of episode and that little bit more than makes a meal out of the world as is.

>>212960544
>But meanwhile you have Lee Pace dominating every scene he's in, elevating the Dusk and Dawn actors, every actor in fact (like his fiancee woman in S2) that shares a scene with him.
To be fair, he does that in everything he's in. It's really weird that he's not a bigger name.

>>212958431
>>212958641
>>212959178
>Gaal fans
There are dozens of us! Dozens!

>>212946282 (OP)
its a magic show, right. magic science makes a dude into some psychic? asimov? more like asimeh

>>212946831
>it
Ftfy
Also, explain the Novacula or whatever its called?
https://yotube.com/watch?v=eTZGMKy2Fi4&pp=ygUURm91bmRhdGlvbiBzZWFzb24gMyA%3D

>>212949529
No, this seasons Dawn/Day will

It’s kind of funny that assuming the show’s overarching plot will be similar to the books, the robots from I, Robot will have actually manipulated humanity into doing everything that happens in the show, including inventing psychohistory. And since the only time that series ever got any mainstream notoriety was that Will Smith action vehicle from the 2000s, it’s gonna be wacky when the series reaches its endgame. Imagine they find out the robot behind everything is this motherfucker.

>>212949947
Two days worth of its income per season anon.

>>212960529
i think there's plenty of material for the show just from Foundation POV. Plus the show has Empire POV. It would be cooler if the Second foundation was a mystery and a reveal in later seasons.. But it doesnt matter, they made it as they did.
i dropped the show, for the record.

>>212960866
they technically could merge that robot and Daneel Olivaw robot as if its the same character in the universe. Considering how much they twisted the source material, that woudnt even be such a drastic change.

>>212960866
I thought the ending was end of individualism and some hippy space tree binding all of humanity in some weird lattice mind world.

The ending was truly retarded.

>>212951906
Woke is cultural Marxism. Woke people believe that straight white males hold the means to cultural production and the proletariat (non whites and LGBT+@?/*) need to rise up and reclaim the means of cultural production. Basically anything that subverts white men and white culture is woke. That being said I don't really find foundation to be very woke despite the black women playing roles of people who weren't black or female in the book.

>>212954756
So...the Death Star, or the Wave Motion Gun, or the Stellar Converter, or the McGuffin etc.?

I just want to see Arkady.

Ages in this series don’t really seem sensical. Poly Verisof is like 130 years old and looks around 60, Hari at what seems like a physical age of 60ish rides out another 100 years the hard way and only then seems to be actually on his last legs, but Empire gets dusted once he hits 80 years old. What’s the deal?

>>212959187
Only in the context of progressing towards the fall.

>>212961476

the years dont seem to matter and its more representational.

stages of life and where you're at on the stages. I think the genetic contamination added elements of insanity. All 3 are showing signs of it, for different reasons.

>>212961476
There's an actual age problem which is that the years are slightly off for Empire's age vs the number of clones.
>but Empire gets dusted once he hits 80 years old. What’s the deal?
This is literally explained in the show though. They get rid of Empire when he hits cognitive decline so that Cleon's guidance isn't affected by senility. It used to be 90. It's now earlier due to genetic drifting which has made his cognitive decline happen earlier. We haven't been told when he gets offed now yet but at a guess it's probably around 75.

>>212961598
>>212961916
I guess my main point was that Cleon has a normal human’s lifespan but it seems like now that lifespan has nearly doubled for everyone else. Even before the genetic drift he had that.

>>212961968

Prior to the contamination, I would argue he was just a cruel, stern leader with clever flourishes.

The fleet destruction and attack on terminus happened with a contaminated cleon, and every major event that has followed was because they allowed a tainted dawn to change their genetic dynasty.

All of the bad cleons have happened after it. The most clever cleons were pre-taint

>>212962083
That lady had it coming

>>212946282 (OP)
Apart from this suspicious "female" with the suspicious voice. Why do they keep on doing this?
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5503373/?ref_=mv_close

>>212961968
>lifespan has nearly doubled for everyone else.
You mention literally two (2) guys and one of them was some kind of weird magic sci-fi homunculus.
>>212962190
What?

>>212961968
What I'm trying to explain is that his "lifespan" isn't normal as he's killed instead of dying naturally. He's never allowed to grow "old". It's the equivalent of killing an emperor today when they reach 60 so that the emperor is never an old man.

>>212956797
Jungle fever

>>212959573
wait they make it so the foundation predicts the mule? That basically ruins the entirety of that book's plot

>>212962304
So was Poly just GOATed at aging? Is the real key to longevity alcohol poisoning?

>>212962834
Gaal uses her magic powers to timetravel and meet him

>>212962834
Essentially when Hari dies he copies his consciousness twice, one is in the vault so that it’s more an AI rather than a pre-recorded message, and the other ends up on a ship to go create the Second Foundation, but that particular plan due to Gaal being able to see the future. She eventually sees a vision that has the Mule in it. So the First Foundation doesn’t know shit about the Mule, the Second Foundation does.

>>212962911
Alcohol IS used as a preservative, draw your own conclusions.

>>212963118
What am I looking at

>>212962967
>due to Gaal being able to see the future
I'm sorry what

>>212963270
Yeah they made it so she’s a metallic with foresight powers so she has an excuse to stick around in the story.

>>212963270
They accelerate the whole mentalics thing to give her a plot.

>>212963550
Was the lead mentallic a black lady in the books?

>>212963622
Holy, a Redditor thread.

Having never read the books, Foundation perfectly fulfills my hunger for modern scifi slop. Despite being full of niggers and obvious genderbends it has some great actors, pretty visuals and a story that is so boring that I forget enough of it to warrant a second monitor rewatch. It's interesting enough to make me come back every week for the cliffhangers but at the start of a season I've forgotten 90% of the previous one.

new Day is funny af

also curious how they gonna use the black hole laser, hopefully to wreck the foundation but most likely foudnation and empire gonna team up to kill Mule which is kinda gay

>>212963701
The plot aside, as the very main character was a white male FYI, it is kino when pondering cosmic perspective of reality. That alone is fascinating, all of the other modern-audience adjusted stuff is secondary

>>212963728
Mule probably mind controls some dude into turning the planet cracker on Trantor, probably Dusk himself for maximum dramatic irony.

the drug scenes are cringe

>>212949484
>Mr kino Jared Harris
The only reason he ever invented psychohistory was a strong woman of color, she's the true genius. (This is actually canon in the apple show.) Just a mediocre white man getting undue credit/praise.

>>212952484
>little production detail

>>212946972
thanks ill check it out. I read the first expanse book before the show and yes... i got bored of the show around that point. how obnoxious is the modern propaganda though?