Thread 212949652

>Gobekli Tepe
>therefore Archeology is wrong and I'm right

stop spamming this shit, no one fucking cares

And what of Gobekli Pepe?

Dibble OUT

>>212949652 (OP)
Pretty much. It's a huge technically advanced monument from about 5000 years before the first recorded city ever existed. It's hard to wrap your head around just how far back in the past it is. It's like finding a Tesla in the pyramids, with about the same spread in time (Gobekli 10k BC > Pyramids 2.5k BC) Actually it'd be more but I also think the Pyramids must be far older, the Romans thought they were 10000 years old when they found them, and we don't know what they knew

What i'm most intrigued about is how people can fund a life of amateur archaeology and being professionally wrong for your whole "career". How does he pay his bills? Let alone all the travelling expenses.

>>212949884
He wrote a bunch of books and his wife is a professional photographer. That was all before he made 2 seasons of his show on Netflix which probably paid him huge $

>>212949652 (OP)
Yes.

Why do shitbrained neoliberals constantly say something objectively true sarcastically and then act smug like they proved a point?

*mindbreaks you*

>>212949652 (OP)
They built a shitty tourist attraction over it so to prevent it from being excavated further. What now Dibbleshits? Imagine building on top of an ancient site for shitty tourists. Death to Turks.

>>212949652 (OP)
yeah anon, thats how evidence works.

>>212949989
That idiot got wrecked. It was hilarious. I hope they bring him back to laugh at him again.

Gobekli Tepe! Gobekli Tepe! Gobekli Tepe!

>>212949652 (OP)
I’d rather hear his crazy ass theories than have scientists continue to be afraid of pushing anything or even look outside of the bubble they’ve placed themselves in.

>>212950048
HAHAHAHA HE POSTED GREEN FROG

>>212950041
Nice revisionist history. Graham got so mad he literally said verbatim "say something else. say something interesting." Then Rogan awkwardly asks if they should take a bathroom break because he could tell Graham was seething at all the data Flint was showing. Also Graham showed an embarrassing level of self awareness saying Flint had "friends in the media" when Graham is a published author several times and had a Netflix show

>>212949652 (OP)
tepe is old news, now the new rage is the great egyptian labyrinth. its undeniable there were hueg civilizations that predate any type of historical record we have. and in retrospect it seems pretty retarded to have thought modern humans have been around 300 thousand fucking years but they were doing nothing at all except building shit forts until ~5000 years ago.

>>212950162
good points.

>>212950162
Nice try. None of that happened in the react clips I saw.

>>212949989
DIBBLE SHOULDA BEEN A DRIBBLE
DOWN HIS MAMA'S ASS CRACK
PLUS SHE FAT AS A DIRIGIBLE

>>212949766
The Egyptians descended from the later wave of migrations away from the drying green Sahara, whereas the Göbekli Tepe people was who fled the earlier younger dryas stuff & dispersed back to the green sahara after the cataclysm only to become egyptians afterwards when the place dried up.
picrel for path of the holy suncow mythos.

Big Archeology is corrupt as fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wak6Nrvd_P8

>>212949652 (OP)
this but unironically, because the original argument was:
>Dibble/Hawass: There's no proof of any civilization before 6000 B.C.
Therefore those beautiful two words completely fucked their whole field and life's work.

>>212949652 (OP)
but GRAHAM..PRECESSION OF THE EQUINOXES! therefore younger dryASS

>>212950359
Love this guy, except when he snorts up his snot while in the middle of saying something.

>>212949652 (OP)
I love how he deflects with
>I'm just a journalist
or
>Archaeologists are mean to me on the internet
Every time his assumptions are challenged. Great stuff

>>212950359
Randall Carlson is fucking based. Anytime he talks on JRE it was verbal kino just coming out with weird facts or Freemason tidbits. Loved it. We need more Carlson and less Hancock imo

>>212950359
Anyone who says younger dry-ass is a literal shill/redditor.
Objectively speaking.

>>212950465
Episode 501 is my favourite JRE episode. Pure kino.

>>212950102
What? Science is constantly pushing things, but without an educated background, it can be difficult to see or understand it. Scientists are researching if tunneling nanotubes could be used to destroy cancerous tumors. It’s some sci fi shit. The research is slow and methodical, but that’s what real science looks like. It’s not just “what if we injected him with soap? That might fix something. Let’s try it.”
Disciplined archeology/history will collect data and allow that to lead to conclusions. When there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that can only point to one single conclusion to the exclusion of all others, it becomes a viable theory. This is reviewed by other experts and is subject to scrutiny. If they can poke holes in your theory, then perhaps it’s not sound. If they can’t, then maybe you’ve got something. The goal isn’t for people to accept your claim. The goal is to figure out what is real.
The problem with this crackpot (and ancient aliens idiots) is that they start with a conclusion (possibly formed after perceiving a single data point), and then search for corroborating data. They either lack the education that could help them properly understand the context of any findings, or they conveniently ignore anything that doesn’t support their ideas. When experts poke holes in their theories, they whine about how they’re being ignored by the mainstream, but the problem is that they don’t have enough evidence to back up their wild claims.

>>212950465
Because of this man I, too, am looking for the Holy Grail.

>>212950409
>A nerd acts like a nerd
Shocked!

>>212949652 (OP)
>These ancient Egyptians were using high tech machinery to cut these massive granite stones.

>>212950485
I'm OP been on 4chan for 10+ years and never had a reddit account or poster there. I made the thread and have made other threads shitposting with the phrase "younger Dry Ass" lmfao nice reach

>>212950494
I've seen a lot of his eps even the older ones but I might give this one a watch later just in case I missed it

>>212950359
>>212950465
Yeah, I really like how he explains things, even for an idiot like me its easy enough to follow. I dont understand why Rogan hasnt brought him back to the show, something about copyright? But itd be great to see a Graham-Randall-Dibble triple threat episode, heck maybe even throw in that Van Kerkwyk guy for some added oomph, doubt itll happen though.

>>212950485
Yeah.. on hindsight that was kinda cringe, my bad.

>>212950507
You have a child's (redditor's) worldview. Shut up and go back.

>>212949652 (OP)
>Only a highly advanced civilization using their secret mind powers could have ... stacked rocks this high.

>>212950554
I'm pretty sure #501 is his first JRE episode and he's firing on all cylinders.
Also, if you want more Carlson kino, go to the Grimerica podcast ("The Grimerica Show") Carlson does episode #65 and #95.
They could possibly be #64 / #94, I get both numbers showing up on my podcast app.
That was golden age Carslon, he's never come close to being that sharp and witty since.
Also I'm sorry I called you a Redditor.

Seriously though, some of the shit those people made is incredible.

>>212949652 (OP)
but he's right

Israel and Hezbollah fight for control of Baalbek

>>212950587
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And when that evidence is sufficient, entire scientific fields change. This dude is the equivalence of someone thinking you could save your life in a 50 floor elevator drop if you just jump right before it hits the ground. That would seem to make sense to a lot of people who lack an understanding of physics, but that doesn’t mean it’s true.

>>212950704
That should be a testament to human ingenuity instead of evidence of alien lasers.

>>212950982
Questions and noticing contradictions are not claims. Besides, so-called reputable scientists constantly speculate outside of the scope of the scientific method.

>>212951013
cant wait until zoomers start unironically believing mona lisa and creation of adam are fake because "bruh they didnt have ai or photoshop back then"

>>212951013
The mystery still exists. They don't know how they did it. Saying human ingenuity is not an answer.

I heard you like phallic chambers. . .

>>212951059
Leaping to alien technology isn’t either.

>>212951180
It is if alien technology is the real answer that our governments are hiding

>>212951013
Still a neat mystery though. Those stone sarcaphogi of the serapeum are highly flat, square and well polished. What was left of their contents after multiple years of looting were mummified bull remains. They weighed 80 to 100 tons and were moved into their chambers via narrow tunnels. Making those and moving them into place would be an incredible feat 200 years ago, let alone 2500. If anything, it should impress upon you that knowledge can indeed be lost, that skilled stone masons at that level may not even exist anymore and certainly no longer exist at the scale necessary to complete and move those boxes with what the Egyptians had at the time.
Could we make them now? Absolutely. We could make them better and faster. But you're still left with so many questions, how many people worked on it? How did they maintain flatness? What were they using to polish it? Could this be completed in one workers lifetime or did he never see the end result? What was the point of spending perhaps multiple generations of skilled masons employed in creating an elaborate coffin for a bull mummie.

>>212949652 (OP)
Archaeology, anthropology and HERstory are the most cucked fields in science.
>what's that? you found something that disproves 100 years of university indoctrination? you are mentally ill and we shall destroy your evidence!
>oh you don't believe what someone from 1500 years ago said about a man living 400 years before him? that's problematic, it's literally written therefore it's true
It's a fucking cult and every redditor creaming themselves over the fedora guy are the equivalent of christcucks.

>>212949701
Reminder: It's the same butthurt uppity liberal who spams the Hancock hate threads.

>>212949652 (OP)
>Gobekli Tepe
>therefore Atlantis
woah....

>>212952082
archaeologists disagree all the time, there is barely any "settled" science in anthropology and archaeology, new discoveries are being made regularly.

but finding some new pottery that dates the mississippi culture back another 50 years is not as sexy as saying there was an advanced pre-ice age civilization. actual archaeology is tedious and boring and won't get you any netflix deals.

if there was any good evidence for hancock's fantastical claims, universities would throw money and manpower at it for the bragging rights alone, it would be a watershed moment in human history. entrenched university professors would use their own names and influence to steal the discovery away from him, not bury it. they would scramble to get a piece of the pie.

>>212949989
>gets raped by Rogain and Graham

>>212949989
Dibble won so hard Hancock had to run back to his youtube and make a big cope video by himself where Dibble couldn't point out how stupid he is. Comple Dibble Victory.

>>212952172
>not as sexy as saying there was an advanced pre-ice age civilization.
The thing is though, this isn't a fantastical claim. We have historical records of societal regression. After western Rome collapsed they didn't have a widespread water system like the Roman aquaducts until the late 16th century. That means you have a thousand years of regression at least insofar as water distribution. The antikythera mechanism, produced in the first or second century B.C. is regarded as the first analog mechanical computer. The second analog mechanical computer didn't come until the 19th century with Charles Babbage's difference machine.
Periods of societal regression are so common place in the historical record that they really shouldn't even be considered spectacular or outlandish.

>>212952082
It's not cultish that experts in a field work hard to defend established theories. There should be some level of inertia behind the mainstream viewpoint so we aren't rewriting textbooks for every pottery shard and arrowhead.

>Gets raped for everyone to see
>Never invites Dibble again and records several episodes with Graham just to talk shit about him

It's just really fucking disgusting.

>>212950465
didn't he fall for some alternative energy nonsense made by a scam artist?

>>212952568
it seems reasonable to update a textbook if new discoveries are made that contradict its claims

>>212949884
His father was likely a British spook and he comes from wealth. In his books he talks about living all over the world where his family was "posted". Diplomats=spooks. It would not surprise me to find that Hancock is a British agent and his whole assignment is to upend archaeology (which is telling lies) but still make sure that central power controls whatever new narrative emerges, because the deeper truth of who built this stuff and when is probably a big threat to the legitimacy of the ruling class.

>>212949652 (OP)
it's just some stacked stonbes...

>>212952669
>inviting THE RAPED back to your show
he was too busy from all the cum Dribbling onto his chin anyway

>>212951180
What if it's just ancient humans? I feel "ancient aliens" is just a flat earth red herring that is used to shut down conversation.

>>212951013
>>212951180
No one else said anything about aliens before you.

>>212952923
>I feel "ancient aliens" is just a flat earth red herring that is used to shut down conversation.
Spot on. Graham Hancock never says anything about aliens, nobody ITT said anything about aliens, then out of nowhere you get >>212951013 and >>212951180 scolding people about supposedly crediting aliens when no one ever did. Obvious psy-op is obvious.

>>212949652 (OP)
They keep pushing back all the dates though. From the big bang to the modern humans first appearance.

Seems pretty weird how they are so set on civilization.

>>212950507
>that they start with a conclusion (possibly formed after perceiving a single data point), and then search for corroborating data.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that actually and pretty much every great scientist, inventor and engineer had a bunch of absurd crackpot ideas, just look at Newton or Tesla.

The thing with you Redditors is that you assume thay smart people are always right and if they are wrong about something they can't be smart or right about other things.

>>212950239
Thinly veiled Suomi post

>>212953192
True. Tesla's ether theory although officially discredited is still interesting to read about. Redditors inability to entertain a thought that is not officially endorsed by authority is why they will always be midwits.

>>212952714
My take on the whole situation:
> Ancient humans evolve, here on earth, from primates
> Learn technology, harness physics, build big stuff all over the planet and possibly even off world (Mars and possibly the moon as well)
> They understand energy and electricity on a level we don't and do it cleaner and better, and the ancient stone megastructures are the central piece of it (the Giza power plant theory)
> About 12000 years ago some catastrophe happens, whether comet, volcano, solar flare, it nearly wiped out life on earth
> Lacking a large population and souch infrastructure smashed, the division of labor needed to sustain a complex society is gone, so tech erodes quickly and cannot be replaced or maintained
> This marks the end of megastructure building, GT isnt 12k years old but at least that, everything was built by then, no new structures of the same level. Some stuff, especially the stuff now underwater, might be 50k years old or more
> Society devolves into a feudalistic warlordscape in the ruins of the once great high tech empire
> The survivors at Giza, being a center of this now dead tech, decide fuck it rather be powerful than good and decide to centralize power in a brutal fashion
> They expand back out over the earth and establish control over the world through naval power, bribery, and murder
> They conspire to keep their origins and identity a secret, so as to safely pass power down through the generations
> They still exist today and control all works events, but signal each other through symbols referencing their shared origin
> Central to this origin myth symbology is the great pyramid, which is on the dollar, and all over Freemason art
So boom, that's why it's controversial. Because the survivors at the top of the pecking order stayed there and don't want to be overthrown.

>>212951013
H F Y
F
Y
(unironically)

>>212950003
>subhuman mongol/turk muslims have no respect for history
damn no way
anyway total roach extermination

>>212950704
they devoted their lives to their craft, and then when they were literally the best in the (known) world they'd get hired by the pharaoh (a living god) to make his tomb

>>212953673
>How did ancient people do with stone tools what we can barely do with our most high tech equipment thousands of years later?
>They were just like... REALLY dedicated, man...
Not a sufficient answer.

>>212953673
I don't think people could become as good as these people obviously were without a dedicated stoneworking class or guild that people were born into and raised in.
Picrel is the shist disc or disc of sabu. Many of the alternative history videos will infer that it was used in some type of machinery (which is ridiculous because it's carved from siltstone which is incredibly brittle). Still, I like those videos not because they jump to the wrong conclusion, but because of the questions they ask along the way.

It's okay to actually ask questions about how ancient societies built megastructures because it's technology we've lost forever and it's impressive and amazing ancient humans managed to do these things.
But it's never coming from a genuine curious angle, as soon as you ask how they think they did it it's:

>Ancient aliens
>Sound technology
>They made it all levitate with their minds which we've forgotten how to do

All incredibly retarded.

>>212954172
I think that dovetailing with
>>212953402
All the unexplainable artifacts like the impossibly gold carved stone pots and things like this WERE machined, just with tech we can't equal now. It's not just brittle stone, there are stone vases and pots that carved from hard stone with precision the human hand cannot hope to replicate. Unchartedx does a great job going into detail on a lot of these artifacts and how they are being scammed with modern metrology to show their tolerances. And in case anyone says
> Muh dating
Most of the stuff recovered or found standing is granite or limestone. You can't "date" that stuff like you can organic material. It's scientific age is the age of the rock itself, probably millions of years. So all mainstream archaeology can do is guess via secondary artifacts found nearby and whatever written sources survive from Egypt, Greece and Rome. It's just pottery that they seethe when anyone else has a go at guessing the age based on more holistic factors such as weathering of the rock, or drawing parallels to other megastructures buried u der sea or sand like Gobleki Tepi. They are malding because they were only guessers and used to have a monopoly on publicizing their guesses.

>>212954366
Another red herring poster. I never claimed it was any of those. Graham Hancock said it could be sound or telekinesis but I think he is a British intel agent designed to keep a control over alternative narratives. I think the tech has more to do with zero-point energy and plasma, the stuff Tesla played around with a lot. Now Tesla, theres a guy, did stuff we can't replicate a century later. Dismissed as a crackpot in many mainstream circles even though the world completely runs on his most well known tech, the alternating current.

>>212954418
* Impossibly good carved stone

and what is Gobekli Tepe?

>>212953901
It also took multiple generations to build, unlike modern architecture which is expected to be built in a couple of yeara

>>212949652 (OP)
This nigger “predicts” things the way that UFO tard “predicted” a higher element. Durp I think there’s an older civ. Oh they found one I guess I was right.
>But you talked about Atlantis and people using sound to levitate stones what the fuck does this have to do with your kook predictions?
HELP HELP I’M BEING REPRESSED BY THE ACADEMIC ELITES AAAAAH GIVE ME MONEY

>>212954418
>Pottery beyond 20th Century technology!
>You can't date inorganic material!

>>212954366
>>212954418
This is what megastructure looks like. They didn't make megastructures, and neither have we

>>212954483
So they had plasma technology and all they used it for was moving rocks?

>>212953901
the point is you can't comprehend spending a decade on a single project, much less a single piece of a huge project, because your brain has been fried by capitalism.

>>212954531
Based on current best tech we couldn't rebuild the great pyramid in unlimited generations. Too many big stones lifted too high and carved and placed with too much precision. Our cranes can't do it, our helicopters can't do it, period. So
> Muh time and patience
Is comically insufficient. It points obviously to a previous civilization of higher, more advanced tech than we have now.

>>212954366
I don't know how implausible being visited by an alien civilization and them building stuff really is. If you're a space faring civilization, I would imagine moving some rocks around would be pretty easy for you. Should this be accepted at face value? No, but neither should simulation theory and redditors cream their panties over that.

>>212954598
>Based on current best tech we couldn't rebuild the great pyramid in unlimited generations
What a bunch of complete hogwash.
So all of your premises are built upon stupid assertions like this one?

>>212954531
>>212954591
>bro, just spend more TIME on it
>you'll get perfect laser precision from eyeballing with your stone tools if you just do it LONGER

>>212954598
This.
They directed gravitational cannons and used them to pile rocks on top of each other in the most simplest of structures.

>>212954570
If I had to guess, they used plasma tech, something like maraudr but way advanced, to carve and shape stone. There is evidence in South American megastructures of extreme heat being used to shake the face of giant stones.
I would guess they knew how to move things with electricity, not anti grav but actual propulsion. But I don't know how they would do that specifically. If not, perhaps they had other propulsion tech for craft that could actually carry those stones with stability across land and onto the tops of building sites.

>>212954647
It's true, it's been broken down many times by construction engineers. We simply can't replicate the scale, weight and precision with our best current efforts. Quite the red pill.

>>212954674
>There is evidence in South American megastructures of extreme heat being used
No there isn't.

>>212954650
you're just proving them right.

>>212954598
Disagree. If we threw everything we had at it we could build a pyramid of giza in 20 to 30 years.

>>212954654
The great pyramid is anything but simple. The inner structures of it are meticulous. Watch some more unchartedx.

>>212954695
>"construction engineers"
You mean conspiratard peddlers and grifters.

>>212954598
wooden levers have more lifting power than cranes.

>>212954706
There's no chance we can with current tech
>>212954699
There is. The surface of many giant stones in South American megaliths is completely changed from normal granite or limestone concurrent with extreme heat being applied.

>>212954703
>if you disagree with my completely absurd premise and point out how retardedly absurd it is that just proves me right

>>212954729
They don't scale up to withstand the weight of 50+ ton boulders. Neither do earthen ramps. They would collapse under the weight of the stones and themselves if you tried them that high with stones that big.

>>212954779
>They don't scale up to withstand the weight of 50+ ton boulders.

yes they do. you just use more of them.

>>212954753
There is. We can lift things multiple times heavier than the largest stones in the great pyramids. We can machine those stones to a higher precision than the pyramids of giza.
You might have to make it multiple countries main mission to quarry, machine, transport and set those stones, but I promise you it could be done.

>>212954793
No they don't. Trees are only so big. You can't lash beams together to make infinity strong and large levers to move such massive, way more dense stone. Cunt Stubble and his ilk just put out an elementary school textbook tier explanation on par with Noah's Ark and it went unchallenged for long enough that you read this as gospel.

They literally explained how they did it too by the way.

>>212954840
We can't lift stones like that high enough, and even if we could, it wouldn't be a survivable structure. One of the craziest aspects of all the pyramids and megaliths is their asymmetrical stone layout. It creates a locking mechanism that keeps stability across long time periods when seismic events happen.
Some scientists tried making a super small giza replica on the plateau for a tv special. Not only was it hard as fuck, and the precision they achieved was not to the level of the pyramids, but it collapsed a few years later went a minor earthquake rattled it to bits.

>>212949711
Without opening the image I thought his hat said “early sumerian hat” and I kek’d

>>212954863
Heiroglyphs and etchings on stone mean fuck all. I'm of the opinion that the entire pharaonic dynasty was fraudulent. Writing on papyrus and carving into the surface of stone a cover story taking credit for some they didn't do so that their subjects would worship them as gods.

>>212950041
>. I hope they bring him back to laugh at him again.
... Then you and Dibble are exactly on the same side, because he wants to talk directly to Rogan about how he called him a liar on a later episode without allowing him to rebut. But the same way Rogan turned hardcore pussy when Liver King challenged him, he's not calling Dibble back.

>>212954852
you're stuck on this idea that you can only use one lever. because you're stupid.

ok but for real though, how did they manage to stack rocks on top of each other if not for ancient atlantean knowledge? no meme answers please

>>212955093
Nah, you're stuck on the hand tools, wood and dirt ramp idea because you are mindbroken.

>>212954934
We could. The largest thing ever lifted was 23,178 tons. The largest stones in the giza pyramids are the granite blocks in the kings chamber which weigh 25 to 80 tons.

>>212954934
>asymmetrical stone layout. It creates a locking mechanism that keeps stability across long time periods when seismic
Fuck thats interesting. Got any youtube vids for me to watch about this?

>>212954934
>the only way to get stone to high place is to lift it into the air and plonk it down

this is like saying the only way to get to the top of Everest is to fly there.

>>212954934
>We can't lift stones like that high enough
The SpaceX Block 1 Starship weighed 100 tons and was routinely lifted into place with a wide variety of different cranes. That's over three times the weight of any of the stones in stonehenge, the heaviest blocks of any megalith. You're a fucking idiot.

>>212949652 (OP)
flint dibble got dribbled lmao

>>212955254
Flint dibble is a fucking nepo baby.

>>212955294
>t. hanCOCK only got a show on netflix because his son works there

>>212955168
Are you suggesting people strapped 50 ton stone blocks to their backs and climbed up to put them in place?

>>212955349
Not even disputing that. I don't agree with everything Hancock says, nor do I feel compelled to defend him, but he's generated more interest in these ancient sites and archeology than Flint dibble ever has or will.

You guys are missing the most important question
>prehistoric people could have dragged 5000 ton boulders over hundreds of miles to make Stonehenge, it's feasible!
Yeah but why though. Were they fucking autistic?

Dibble status?

>>212955377
i'm suggesting that the "logic" you're employing is because we can't land a 747 on the peak of Everest that its impossible for people to reach the peak of Everest.

but since my IQ is an order of magnitude higher than yours, at least, you can't map this.

>>212955453
IQs are racist chud

>>212955427
incel sons spent their entire lives dragging those stones back in those days we had real work to do

>>212955453
The lowest IQ ever recorded was about 40, so you're claiming to be 400 IQ at least.
Unless you think order of magnitude is just a figure of speech which would be pretty low IQ

>>212955048
Rogan is a master at destroying fools. Look what he did to Dibble the first time. Look what he did to Zahi Hawass. He fucking killed the careers and prestige of both forever. He gives 'em rope and they hang themselves with it.

>>212955414
yeah thats because dibble doesnt have a netflix show

>>212955597
that's in a human being.

>>212955427
I don't know how you can look at Roman history and not come away with the idea that they were fucking autists. Most of what we know about ancient history comes from Roman autists writing that shit down. The heiroglyphics in the pyramids are just so e autistic fucks meme folder.

>>212955631
Because he's a boring nepobaby pseud with nothing interesting to say.

>>212955658
maybe he should talk about ancient atlantean secret civilization to be less boring

>>212955631
You can't be counter culture if you're in the establishment. The counter culture narrative of "are mainstream archeologists hiding shit from you" is one of the main reasons it gained traction.

>>212955690
is this some kind of antisemitic dogwhistle?

>>212955427
what else is there to do?

>>212949766
You’re a fucking dumbass

>>212955242
> What is leverage
How the fuck you gonna lift something and then swing it over the breadth of the pyramid while changing its attitude angle. All they do with rockets is move them a few meters up and over while in upright position.

>>212956046
you only need to lift it an inch at a time.

>>212954418
They focus autistically on the "perfect" ones but never on the visibly lopsided ones.
>th-they're uh, attempts by....later generations...to, uh....replicate the earlier ones. Yeah.

>>212956046
A massive fucking crane system. You could build a massive gantry crane over your pyramid and lift blocks multiple times heavier than the largest blocks in the giza pyramids.

>>212950170
It's not even a stretch. The Sahara was green right up. Until we see the beginning of predynastic Egypt. Anyone with a working brain would look and see that previous civilization was buried under the sands.

>>212955160
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrrQtmBDlUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdPsZp2K4S8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw9lTB0hTNU
https://www.gaia.com/video/revelation-pyramids

Last one might be the best but it's no longer available free on YouTube. Might be able to pirate it, might be available on Amazon prime.

>>212956146
A 600 foot crane tower lifting and manipulating 80 ton blocks? Bitch please. That is tiny shit for moving a single rail car, once again not very high, not very far, no attitude angle change.

>>212949701
They haven't hit their post quota yet

>>212956094
Nah, hundreds of feet with change of angle. At maximum precision. Look at the size and angle of stones in the hidden kings chambers and so on.

>>212949652 (OP)
>make stuff up for years
>people defend you like their lives depend on it
haha, oh wow.

>>212956379
why do you keep repeating this "the only way to build the pyramids is to lift blocks into the air above them and plonk them down" nonsense?

>>212956413
precision is pretty easy when you're only moving things incrementally.

>>212956435
What are you saying, just shove granite blocks over each other and hope friction doesn't exist? Use wooden rollers underneath and hope precision is possible? Freehand eyeball the jenga-like offset maze that is every megalith and build outward till it magically evens across a perfect surface shape with dimensions that also mimic the number pi, the diameter of the earth,n and slings with the precession of the galaxy? Yeah fuck me that's way more realistic.

>>212956379
The largest blocks in the kings chamber are only 300 feet, and yeah, you could build a massive gantry crane that could do this.

>>212956459
So is grinding and chipping everything under what is being moved to dust.

>>212956435
Why do you keep calling it nonsense while refusing to ever provide a viable alternative?

>>212956529
Yeah and hold it together with Sumerian timber and nileweed rope I bet.

>>212956547
It's hard to distinguish cover shills from real idiots who will parrot an official line without understanding it because "it's what most people think".

>>212956575
I think you might want to retrace your steps of what we're arguing about. The argument is over whether we could build them now. Not only could we build them now, we could build them better if we felt like it.

>>212950494
Good shit.
>>212956340
Thank you, saved.

>>212956379
Loaded or empty? Oh, and what's the average block weight again?

>>212956520
The vast majority of the blocks are limestone. They also vary considerably relative to one another and include several areas of rubble infill.

>>212956635
>Not only could we build them now, we could build them better if we felt like it.
Oh yeah, we could mog the shit out of the great pyramid...... we just don't FEEL like it.

>>212956771
Where's the profit in such an endeavor?

>>212956802
Rent it out to billionaire fraternities for their freaky "fake" rituals.

>>212955730
What did he say that was wrong?

>>212956598
so you're entire investment into this subject is "owning the libs," so to speak.

all modern construction technology/techniques are geared around building things quickly. its not that we can't build the pyramids, its that we don't stack rocks for pretty much its own sake.

>>212956875
>we'll make back our investment in just under 20,000 years!

Raped by Dibble in the sweltering hot JRR podcast studio of 24

>>212957087
In all seriousness, it would be an impressive achievement that you could charge entry for, build tourist attractions around, etc. I'm sure there would be a HUGE market for an identical copy of the great pyramid that's in an actual first world country where you won't get scammed, kidnapped, raped, and murdered every 2 seconds.

>>212956875
You can rent out the ones that are already built and have the added benefit of them being old and filled with some mystical ethereal qualities.
Keep in mind, I'm not downplaying the engineering, technical or stoneworking expertise that went into building the pyramids in their time; they are incredible feats. However, I take more umbrage with the idea that "we couldn't do this today", than I do with the idea that aliens landed on earth and built some pyramids just to fuck with us.

>>212957181
>aliens out of fucking nowhere
Every fucking time.
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT ALIENS

Why is it so controversial and emotionally inflammatory to speculate about the origins of human beings anyway? People instantly start seething for no discernible reason like you just fucked their mom in front of them or some shit

>>212957205
it doesn't matter. you sound stupid no matter how you phrase "WE CAN'T STACK ROCKS"

>>212957216
>say something stupid
>wow that's stupid
>WHY ARE YOU SO INFLAMED

>>212957279
Then someone should build an exact replica of the great pyramid with modern technology and prove just how simple it is.

>>212957306
That's okay if that's only as far as it goes. I'm talking more about to shouting matched and shitfests that always proceed from the topic

>>212957316
>with modern technology
see>>212957070

>>212957205
Fair, but my point stands.

>>212957333
See: >>212956771

>>212957326
because people who fall for this stuff fall for it mostly to be able to have a shouting match against "muh officials narrativism" and derive pleasure/validation from having the last word in a conversation most people just leave because of how stupid the conversation is.

>we've forgotten something important.... we need to search the entire Sahara desert and also find Atlantis
>ummm Graham we've searched huge sections and haven't found shit also Atlantis probably didn't exist
>I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!! I DIDN'T SAY ATLANTIS EXISTED!!!!!

Why is he like this?

>>212957350
yes, if we wanted to regear all existent technology to stack rocks really high for no real reason, we could, and we could do it better than people with wooden tools.

>why dont we build a pyramid now? because we cant!
what the fuck are these people real? i thought it was satire but apparently there are people brown enough to actually seriously maintain this position lmao

>>212955427
>Were they fucking autistic?
someone should post Roman shitposting on a literal board
the fuckers rolled for digits on fucking stone walls

>>212957421
>stack rocks really high for no real reason
The fact that this is what you reduce the great pyramid to shows how little understanding you have of it.

Unironically the world is doomed and lead by retards who think they're scientists.

>>212957370
Nah, I'm not owning libs or validating myself, that's not why you come to an anonymous Ethiopian Soccer Ball Sewing forum. Every ancient peoples-ancient technology guy is just
> They took their time!
Every modern-tech-could-do-it guy is
> We do stuff 1/10 this scale and 1/100 this precision constantly, we could totally scale it up and no I don't need to look more into it!
It's far stranger to have a half-baked idea that the mainstream is right and need to argue that I am wrong, than to find out many facts the mainstream suppresses (check the revelation of the pyramids movie for an epic info dump) and want to ask questions.
> Muh argument
I am asking how it could have been done and showing no ancient or modern tech is likely to have an answer. We are surrounded by these unexplainable giant things and loving our lives as though that is no big deal despite the huge implications it brings. It is the natural course of honest human curiosity to want to know more.

>>212957542
That is the crux of the problem with the
> We could do it right now
Guys. They don't want to know anything about the intricacies of the pyramid and how crazy of a structure it is. They just want to say "x crane lifted y weight this one time" and magically apply it to the greatest engineering feat known to man.

>>212957542
feel free to post the real reason then. or don't and just stew in the fact that no matter the reason the pyramids were built, we can do the same thing better with modern technology, which means stacking rocks for any reason is "no real reason."

>>212957390
Hancock is as much of a controlled agent as Clint imo.

>>212957647
It has been said here and other places many times that the reason for the pyramids being built is most likely electrical. JRE has the Giza power plant theory guy on maybe more than once even. What is the only thing I believe for sure? That there's no way it was some ornamental monument or tomb. I'm ready to believe a power plant way before that nonsense.

>>212957706
how about makework job for huge amounts of people after the population boom caused by stable agriculture? or is that too far flung for you?

>>212957733
nta but creating jobs for the sake of creating jobs never gets you anything good
see modern world

>>212957733
Fuck yeah it is. Why move the stones hundreds of miles? Why make some pyramid and not anything else more useful? Every makework project we have in modern times has at least the pretense of something useful.

>>212953003
Dates get "pushed back" when we gather sufficient evidence to prove that what we thought was wrong. That needs to be more than a single anomaly that doesn't seem to fit our current understanding. There are often other possible explanations. This is one of the reasons peer review and scrutiny is important in the scientific community. If you find something, you allow your peers to review the data and try to prove you wrong. When they can't, we "push the dates back". Chucklefucks like this guy and the ancient alien theorists are really good at selling this BS to the general public, because the general public doesn't have the expertise to know any better.
When new evidence is found that *actually* shakes the foundations of what we thought we knew, scientists are the ones who end up nerding out about it the hardest.

>>212957647
It's more about your insistence on calling it "stacking rocks" as if it's just some semi-organized quarry pile and not an incredibly intricate feat of engineering that's survived for millennia.

>>212956379
>A 600 foot crane tower lifting and manipulating 80 ton blocks?

A single standardized container can weight up to 30 tons

It wouldn't be some crazy feat of engineering to pick up three at once

>>212957790
Absolutely false. Robert Schock schooled everyone with the water erosion trick on the Sphinx and it showed the true colors of academia. They are the opposite of honest truthful people who will admit when their theories are displaced by new evidence.

>>212949652 (OP)
Graham Chadcock is right, you dishonest kike faggot. The mainstream jewed anthropologists nowadays claim that so-called 'anatomically modern humans' have been around for about 300,000 years (a few decades ago they said 200,000 years, but whatever). Consider this, mainstream anthropologists claim that so-called 'anatomically modern humans' arose about 300,000 years ago in Africa yet they also claim that the first civilisation arose about 5,000 years ago in Sumer. So you mean to tell me that humans, with all of their inquisitiveness and all of their industriousness, did nothing but swing from trees and shit in caves for the first 295,000 years of their existence? It's fucking ridiculous. Everything we can all directly observe about human nature tells us that we would develop a culture (and later a civilisation) rapidly after the birth of our species, not 295,000 fucking years later.

>>212955602
>He fucking killed the careers and prestige of both forever.
As Dibble repeatedly said, he was kind of no one until Rogan invited him on his show to push Rogan and Graham's shit in. Nothing that occurred on that episode had a single bit of impact on his career as an archaeologist.

You're a schizo faggot who is also a wholesale cope manufacturer. You believe retarded shit because you're too stupid to understand bona fide historical processes.

>>212953192
>>212953318
Great posts
redditors on the other hand, are bunch of mindless drones

>>212951858
>Still a neat mystery though
I agree. And I think most scientists, anthropologists, archeologists, etc, would also agree.

>>212957836
It would be, it would be totally crazy to move something triple the weight of the heaviest container into place, change it's angle, and rest it at an angle against other stones of varying proportion and position. And soany of the stones, especially the angled ones, requiresny other stones around them to prop themselves up. There is no obvious solution for countless things in the pyramid even if you could move them with a magical angle-changing crane because you'd need to move a bunch into place at the same time.

>>212957771
because you either put people to work or they wreck shit.

>>212957760
you mean the one where we're watching refugees imported into countries destroy said countries despite everything said countries give them?

>>212957790
You have such an idealistic, middle school view of how peer review works, especially in a soft science like archeology where you can't just present some math or chemical equation that's impossible to deny. People's egos get wrapped up in their research and theories all the time, everyone reviewing new ideas is extremely biased toward the existing theories that they, in whole or in part, personally had a hand in building. This whole, "Scientists WANT to be disproven," line is just patently shown to be false at every possible turn.

>>212957822
you know why stacks of rocks survive for a long time? they can't collapse. they're already collapsed. they are in their most entropic form.

>>212958008
Total bullshit. The mini pyramid got fucked up by small seismic events soon after the dudes built it in the 90s

>>212957890
why are you replying to yourself?

>>212949711
wojak won

>>212958031
>bigger rock stack more stable than small? no! it aliens!

>>212958060
I'm going to say this every time you pull this stupid red herring psy-op: NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT ALIENS

>>212957883
Talking about cop, see your post. Dude, Dibble has literally become an Internet joke. His cringe "Indiana Jones hat" act ecuated to public humiliation of the whole field. No serious researcher will want to associate with him ever again. It's over.

>>212958089
>>212957279

>>212958040
He’s right, I don’t believe in this shit but reddit I love daddy scienceman fags are cancer

>>212958170
people can tell when you samefag because you aren't smart enough to adopt different writing styles or even vocabulary.

>>212952923
>>212953002
the reference to ancient aliens is made because it's analogous to this situation. In both cases, someone finds a thing, dreams up a wild explanation, and then whines when the general field of experts disagree. The disagreement is just how science works. In order to get wild theories accepted, it's your job as a researcher to gather overwhelming evidence that can only lead to a single conclusion. A radical shift in our understanding of the world only happens when all reasonable doubt can be overcome by evidence. Science changes according to new understanding and new data, but that change is hard earned.

>>212958166
>it's okay to dishonestly bring up some bullshit you never said and pretend you said it to discredit your thoughts because I personally view your opinion as being equivalent to this completely different and unrelated one you repeatedly keep denouncing

>>212958116
>Dibble has literally become an Internet joke.
The biggest joke on the Internet is that pussy who backed down to the Liver King and hid behind the police like a scared housewife, lol. And who thought Terrence '1x1= 2' Howard was a genius.

>>212958243
there's also the hurdle of establishing why it matters that old ideas were wrong.

>>212957939
>it would be totally crazy to move something triple the weight of the heaviest container into place

Lmao

>>212957983
>you mean the one where we're watching refugees imported into countries destroy said countries despite everything said countries give them?
this also, but my point is that there's an entire class of useless "workers" that, despite their complete worthlessness, demand shit from the greater society
still remember laughing at >mojang having "director of fun" as an actual position

>>212958335
you're conflating bullshit work with make work.

>>212958243
Nah, the wild theory is that the mainstream explanation is fine and archaeologists have integrity

>>212958040
I'm a different, anon.
Accusing others of samefagging will not change that.

>>212958243
When Gobekli Tepe started to shift people's understanding of human history and make people ask important questions about the timeline of human development, they stopped excavating it, built a giant semi-permanent structure over it for tourists, planted an orchard over a large swath of land known to have more buried remains connected to the same site, and even started paving roads right over it. And you're going to sit there and keep insisting that archeologists are all holding hands and freely sharing ideas and completely open to change and being disproven?

>>212958329
Damn bro, we can swing weights a few meters off the ground, a few more over water and plop em down. Truly the same thing.

>>212958335
its hard to honestly criticize the video game industry for being so completely desperate to get "the spark" back.

>>212958205
seek help

>>212958205
Here's a more ominous possibility. And if you are actually wrong?
Because besides playing at being Holmes and using passive aggressive remarks like "you are not smart enough", you don't have substantial proof of samefagging

>>212958545
The coverup couldn't be more literal

>>212958536
>>212958583
>>212958586
in order to gaslight another person, you first need to be smarter than them.

>>212956923
H-He just is! OK!?

>>212958615
do you have a peer reviewed study on that?

>>212957306
Where do you think humans came from?
You genuinely believe modern homo is 100,000 years old and did fuck all for 95,000 of those years?

>>212953402
>They understand energy and electricity on a level we don't and do it cleaner and better,
>About 12000 years ago some catastrophe happens, whether comet, volcano, solar flare, it nearly wiped out life on earth
we have evidence that dinosaurs existed from much much much longer ago. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This might make a fun fictional story for a book/game/comic/film/series, but that's about it.

>>212958615
I just said I'm not samefagging.
If you are unable to accept that, that's not my problem.

>>212954650
>he doesn't know about plum bobs

>>212958654
Current science actually says that modern homo sapiens have been around for 300,000 years and did fuck all for 290,000 of those years.

>>212958700
kek such retarded shit. how did people ever fall for the theory of evolution

>>212958654
going from hunter-gathering to civilization is a pretty huge filter. For when your stops following the food for a few months, because you think you have created a stable food supply, you're all going to starve to death and die when it fails. worse some of you will survive and warn your offspring, should you be lucky enough to have them, against the dangers of not following the food.

>>212958663
Nigger who the fuck mentioned dinosaurs. There have been like 6 or more extinction level events in earth history just that we have evidence for. Younger Dryas was just the most recent

>>212958902
>what about this thing we know exists on a much larger timescale?
>I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ALIENS

its funny how you can't help but show your low IQ

>>212958972
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT ALIENS

>>212959027
you're joined at the hip with the ancient aliens crowd. it triggers you to be reminded of this. you like to believe its just association that's making you look stupid. it isn't.

the whole power plant theory is nonsense because there's literally zero evidence beyond "hey this could kinda work tesla said so."

>>212958972
Damn son we really hit a shill wall. What they paying you to protect? Is
>>212953402
This post right? How close was I?

>>212959092
Nah, you're joined at the hip with the alien crowd, because you're all disinfo agents

>>212959118
you have nothing left to say after >>212958798

>>212951023
>Besides, so-called reputable scientists constantly speculate outside of the scope of the scientific method.
So if that is disreputable behavior then why do you line up behind someone whose entire career is built on speculation?

>>212959137
>anything that makes me look stupid is disinformation spread by disinformation agents

so you're a disinformation agent too? as you're making yourself look stupid all by yourself.

>>212953192
>There is absolutely nothing wrong with that actually
Yes there is. This site has become such a contrarian shithole it is unbearable. I might as well be listening to someone insist it's basic practice to buy high and sell low.

two words: underwater roads
archeocucks btfo

>>212959197
you dismiss things as contrarian because you don't want to admit people who are genuinely stupid exist and are almost indistinguishable from people who aren't.

>>212959149
The actual jump from earliest hominid living rough to civilization is unknown, and others itt said they don't believe the "nothing for 295000 years then boom" theory. I don't either, Gobleki Tepi alone shoves the minimum date back triple.
But as far as how it first progressed, I would imagine primitive hunting gave way to primitive agriculture, and with food being storable in a central location, more time was opened up for specialization and complexity. Surplus of food first, then surplus of mechanical energy through some sort of combustion is my guess. Just like our current civilization developed. People don't appreciate how much we advanced after 1850 solely because coal and oil made work possible to scale up.

>>212958545
What in the world makes you think that archaeologists get a say in what the owner of the land does to it?

>unfortunately the only evidence of paleolithic man is primitive stone tools and there are no megalithic structures of a global super civilization
>OKAY BUT DID YOU LOOK EVERYWHERE?!

>>212959244
or civilization advances at an exponential rate, which is so utterly self-evident most people don't even think to mention it.

>>212954598
The Egyptians enslaved the extradimensional aliens using their extradimensional hybrid wheel barrel and pully technology, this has been known now for a while.

>>212959252
the ancient aliens crowd still thinks of archeologists like they're all indiana jones looting and pillaging while punching nazis.

>>212959348
Nah, leaps and bounds at a time with several thresholds putting up walls, long periods of no real innovation. It's anything but a clear upward trajectory

>>212959092
>>212959173
>You think ancient humans were more advanced than previously thought? I bet you think it's because of aliens!
>You're a moon landing skeptic? I bet you believe in flat earth, too!
>You don't want to take an experimental mRNA "vaccine"? You must be an anti-vaxxer!
It's all the same shit every time. A disinfo psy-op to discredit people by forced association with things they never even said or even openly and routinely deny.

>>212958743
Because they aren't retarded, you are. Sorry you had to find out this way anon

>>212958798
>going from hunter-gathering to civilization is a pretty huge filter.
This is actually a great point not just because moving from hunter gatherer to an agrarian civilization is a filter, but that the filter persists for subsequent generations. You can be reduced to a hunter gatherer civilization at any time for a myriad of reasons. Some of the reasons would be drastic population loss, inteligencia death, inteligencia atrophy, large changes in climate such as ice ages, etc, etc.

>>212959388
Yeah but usually it's for the same obvious reason - deflect attention from rich jews owning everything and manipulating world events. Why souch disinfo around this particular point in the past?

>>212959388
the reality is you're a small subset of the ancient aliens crowd, desperate to be differentiated from them.

you think "290,000 years of nothing" means people just sat around, rather than struggled to survive, because you have just about zero understanding of what it takes to survive.

>>212950507
>When there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that can only point to one single conclusion to the exclusion of all others
That almost never happens in archeology/history. It's full of wild speculation

>>212959388
>>You think ancient humans were more advanced than previously thought? I bet you think it's because of aliens!
Anon the post that started this chain suggested ancient humans had fucking Mars colonies lmao. You people are conjoined at the hip with ancient aliens because you all have this vast crazy view of reality that you form and then attempt to find evidence to prove it, rather than coming to reasonable conclusions from evidence unearthed.

>>212959394
Yea bro humans evolved from bacteria that turned into fish then crawled out of the ocean and turned into humans that did nothing for 290,000 years then started building things lmfao zamn you're smart cuhh

>>212958556
>Damn bro, we can swing weights a few meters off the ground

That's an entire tanker, retard, which means its multiple stories above the water

I also like how you trivialize the fact that modern engineering can clearly lift the heaviest shit imaginable and focus at some made up obstacle of stones being put in place at "angles"

>>212958329
>posts obvious photoshop with the lamest "fake shadow" ever photoshopped
are you actually retarded dude?

>>212959510
That childlike interpretation of evolution is still more correct than whatever retarded notion you have cooking in your head about history lmao

>>212959412
for me, its all the various ways instability can be introduced into stable food supply. you want to store your food? okay here comes mr hippo (or other megafauna) and he's hungry. oh you want to devote huge tracts of land to grow food? well you're not the only thing that eats it, and now their population has exploded, and they've eaten it all. oh shit a bacteria has wiped out all of the species of plant you were farming, you don't even know what that shit is, it looks like it all just died for no reason and it can't grow anymore.

>>212959575
>There was nothing and then there was an explosion and the Earth was made there's no God that's ridiculous it was the nothing that exploded that made Earth and humans bro

lol

>>212959665
>its absurd to think the universe came from nothing thus god exists

like you've been told millions of times, you're just moving "thing from nothing" from the universe to skydaddy.

>>212959575
Just saying...

>>212959510
>wot if ya ol' nan was an amebae and ran on batteries?
>crazy innit

>>212959704
Where did the nothing come from again?

>>212959469
I think if we could have mastered something like the great pyramid then space flight isn't out of bounds. Just our satellites are a fragile tech that we would lose quickly without constant maintenance. We could have spanned several planets with tech and been blasted back to mud huts with the proper natural disaster on the home planet.

>>212959518
How the fuck do you trivialize moving multiple objects at once with weird angles and high precision? Yeah we can lift heavy ass weights thirty feet off the ground, suspended by cables, they angle in one direction, straight up and down, and don't move very far away from the initial lift off point. You're the magical thinker extrapolating everything else you would need from
> Hurr big pulley lift up and down few meters
We have high explosives that can chunk out rock a few tons at a time doesn't mean we can literally move mountains.

>>212959665
>let me transition from displaying I know absolutely nothing about evolution to displaying I know absolutely nothing about the Big Bang as well!
cool story bro, got any other retarded things you want to show us?

>>212959834
We don't know. Likely never will, and filling the gap with jewish mythology isn't satisfactory.

>>212959834
Where did god come from? Rules for thee, not for me!

>>212959664
Exactly, and I didn't even touch upon the skilled stonemasons or engineers. But your point is valid, you not only have to provide food for this class of people so that they can design, engineer and build these structures, you must also protect that food from wildlife.

god just exists because…HE JUST HECKING DOES OKAYYYYY!!!!!1!?

>>212959977
>I think if we could have mastered something like the great pyramid then space flight isn't out of bounds. Just our satellites are a fragile tech that we would lose quickly without constant maintenance. We could have spanned several planets with tech and been blasted back to mud huts with the proper natural disaster on the home planet.
All of this would be readily evident to any future civilization that came after us. They would find evidence of our advanced civilizations, even after hundreds of thousands of years. Gobekli Tepe is by no means evidence that a truly advanced society existed at the time, at least on any level that most conspiracy theorists seem intent to wish for.

>>212960012
>you must also protect that food from wildlife.

just imagine being the first person trying to tell others that shit you can't even see can destroy your food.

>>212959575
Atheism is as much a religion as any other.

>>212949652 (OP)
Yes.

>>212960067
That's a stupid non-sequitur that has nothing to do with anything I said.

>>212960050
I think Ignaz Semmelweis could imagine that.

>>212960041
They really wouldn't. Metal rusts to nothing, smaller shit gets looted and repurposed. The actual stuff that would survive 1000 years let alone 10 is a short list.

>>212960012
NTA but some of those assumptions going back to Childe have been thoroughly debunked at this point, just accepting seasonality in human activity alone means that 'specialists' actually could be employed in subsistence for much of the year while still having enough time to contribute towards complex construction. It was actually rarer for craftsmen to not have to see to their own subsistence than it was to have patrons who employed them full time, especially since the labour could rarely be undertaken all year. Even something like metalworking was seasonal in most pre-industrial cultures.

>>212960227
Satellites do not decay, there would be clear evidence of massive cities able to sustain millions of people regardless of how much of it was decayed, even after thousands of years

>>212960067
atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby, ya know, because you've heard this so many times.

>>212960274
>Satellites do not decay
yes they do. since the earth's atmosphere extends beyond the moon, the orbits decay.

>>212960041
>They would find evidence of our advanced civilizations, even after hundreds of thousands of years.
Even plastic fully decomposes in under 500 years. You really think anything would be left after a few millennia and a couple more solid comet strikes?

>>212960329
Yes, given that we have plentiful evidence of civilizations that have since been uninhabited for millennia...

>>212960315
There are numerous satellites in geostationary orbit that will remain there.

>>212960291
More like: Atheism is a religion like protesting stamp collector conventions is a hobby.

>>212960274
Their orbits decay and they fall back to earth. It's literally called orbital decay.
> Muh cities
They would get built over, and they did. Where we have no ability to build over, we find time and time again insane shit. Huge complex city structures of stone in the dense Amazon. Huge complex stone structures under the sea off the coast of many countries. Gobekli Tepi re emerging from the burial of sand and time.
Then there's the richat structure buried mostly under sand in Mauritania. But
> Lol niggers
So we can't get access to it.

>>212960227
Nigger if rudimentary shit like Gobekli Tepe can survive near 10.000 years then SOME sign of a hyper advanced space tech civilization inhabiting the planet before modern history must have survived.

>>212960371
>flips it to help help i'm being oppressed

lol

>>212960420
What would remain? How would you know we had starlink if our roads, cheap houses, wires, computers, data storage on disk and paper all went to shit?

>>212960423
I'm not being oppressed, but atheists spend all their time seething about religion to the point where that becomes what they replace religion with in their life. There are literally atheist conventions, atheist social groups, atheist "churches," all designed to fill the hole left by a lack of religion.

>>212960420
for me, its how this ancient advanced civilization was super nice and left all the easily obtainable resources untouched for us.

>>212960238
I would disagree with this only because of the rapidity with which the great pyramid of giza was supposedly built. (20-27 years) It would not be possible to build this unless you had a professional workforce that worked year round.

>>212960489
You think that because there's always an atheist to laugh at you whenever you try to bring your skydaddy into any subject.

>>212960472
Because portions of those things would remain evidencing advanced civilization

>>212960420
Glaciers can fuck virtually anything up and grind them to dust. Glacial periods generally last around 100,000 years, while interglacials only last between 10,000-30,000 years

>>212960514
>this ancient advanced civilization was super nice and left all the easily obtainable resources untouched for us
No, not exactly.

>>212960472
Not all metals that do decay will be left in conditions that cause such decay, why do you think we have access to metalworks thousands of years old already?
If another ancient civilization developed before us then they would not always have built cheap houses and roads, they would've build great monuments like us at some point and at least their foundations would have remained.
Humanity in our current state has reshaped the entire planet and left it completely unrecognisable to what came before us, any human civilization that has existed before us that was developed enough to discover space travel would've done the same. That'd be the kind of traces that would be left.
Then there's the lack of human fossils. If humanity already numbered in the billions before (would've been necessary to develop space travel) then there would be noticeably more human fossils around.

>>212960738
>erosion is now evidence for ancient aliens

lmao

>>212960550
It's very easy to find examples of...
Atheist conventions: https://convention.atheists.org/
Atheist social groups: https://holykoolaid.com/atheist-community/
Atheist churches: https://theweek.com/93733/what-are-atheist-churches
They exist, it's not some boogeyman I'm imagining.

>>212960860
I suppose you believe all atheists attend all of those right?

>>212960859
Not aliens, advanced ancient human civilization.
NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT ALIENS

>>212960738
Cool, now do oil deposits!

>>212960896
>STOP LAUGHING AT ME I'M TOTALLY SERIOUS NOT LIKE THOSE OTHER CRACKPOTS WHO TALK ABOUT ALIENS

>>212960896
>advanced human civilization
>that had inexplicable access to energy storage we have never seen
>that had a presence in space
>that possessed tech far beyond us
>that for some reason the only artifacts we find seem to be on par with ancient peoples, albeit peoples far more advanced than they should be for their time
uh huh

>>212960895
No, but not all Christians go to church, either.

>>212960860
>i found evidence that my boogeyman exists that means i'm not crazy or obsessed

>>212960751
Most metals decay, we fragments of few specimens that were preserved usually on purpose. The rest would be repurposed by a lower tech civilization.
What we have done to our planet could be undone in a few centuries without us here in great number to molest it.
Fossils even happening is a crapshoot. Everything has to line up right for them to be preserved. What we do have for evidence as far as humans is in our genome, researchers have found a great bottleneck around 10,000 years ago indicating our numbers dwindled and we inbred more often. Others species show the same thing around the same time, indicating a calamity that threatened all complex life's survival.
Anywho this thread will hit limit soon want to say thank you all it's been a quite invigorating discussion.

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>>212961022
New bread.

>>212960901
Ancient high tech humans may not have even used oil-based technology, but in any case oil is abiogenic and any tapped reserves will refill over time from natural processes within the earth's mantle.

>>212961148
See how with each further difficulty that points to your idea not being a correct conclusion, you come up with a new outlandish thing as a defense that makes it even more unlikely to be true?

>>212961217
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
I didn't just make this up on the spot.

>>212961294
>Ancient high tech humans may not have even used oil-based technology
this is what i was responding to, this is preposterous

>>212960896
>only crackpots talk about aliens I’m not talking about aliens I’m talking about an ancient advanced global civilization that didn’t consume any of the earth’s natural resources and went to space and colonized mars so I’m not a crackpot

Always the best thing about these threads.

>>212961403
Why is it preposterous? Just because that's what we do and you can't imagine it being different?

>>212961511
>didn’t consume any of the earth’s natural resources
I literally said the opposite of that here: >>212960738
>went to space and colonized mars
That was some other anon, not me.

>>212961534
You’re right they could’ve just farted at rocks to get them into orbit.

>>212961571
You see that thing at the bottom of that valley? That’s called a river. It used to be on top of that valley a long long time ago before it was a valley.

>>212961607
How many times do I have to repeat that I never said anything about space?

>>212961704
Until you stop trying to be taken seriously at all.

>>212961704
Until you stop telling everyone it triggers you.

>>212961704
Until it stops being fun to mock you.

Until you stop being embarrassed by association with the ancient aliens crowd.

Until you stop pointing at erosion as a sign of an ancient advanced civilization.

Until you stop looking stupid.

>>212961534
because you defend against a lack of evidence of something being true by invented something that is even more outlandish and unfalsifiable. Maybe they used something other than oil as a power source. Maybe they also had magic powers. It's complete nonsense anon

>>212961939
>learn to generate electricity cleanly and directly through the air the way Tesla was trying to do
>never need oil to power anything
I don't see how this is impossible. Our civilization found and followed certain tracks of technological progression, but that doesn't mean it's the only way.

>>212962152
>learn to generate electricity cleanly and directly through the air the way Tesla was trying to do
And you have difficulty understanding why people do not take you lot seriously? I'm really not trying to insult your intelligence here anon but you must understand how outlandish this is.

>>212962238
But don’t you understand the elegance of such a theory? Big oil and big electric conspiring to keep it a secret that electricity is actually free, limitless, and can be infinitely transmitted anywhere at any time and they maintain their hold on the planet by zapping anyone who figures it out!