/trek/ canon edition

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>>212955451 (OP)

>>212955451 (OP)
Love this dude. When he apologizes for Kligger behavior after Phlox gets extra "persuasion" in the form of severe beatings.

>>212955555
checked

>>212955406
>janeway could've promoted him any time paris got demoted
>Everyone already forgetting about when Durst was killed and Kim could have gotten a 2 rank promotion.

>>212955555
what a roll

>>212955555

not only does kim not deserve the extra pip but he has to work a second shift all alone after hours.

>>212955643
But that's where he finishes his concerto.

>>212955643
>if only you know how bad things really are

>>212955518
Discovery never had a chance because the showrunner insisted the lead be a black woman solely based on DEI.

>It never had a chance because people can't accept a black woman lead
It just had shit writing.

>>212955747
had shit everything

>>212955702
I could care less if main character is a black woman in star trek, I care that there is a main character in a star trek show. But the forced dei was the canary for sure

>DEI
You'd claim avery brooks was picked solely because of DEI if DS9 came out today.

iirc uhura and sulu pretty much headline TAS anyway

this really looks like a model a very good one I could swear they went full cgi by s2 of voy

>>212955857
If DS9 came out today it would be marketed as “Don’t watch this if you’re too racist to handle a black captain”.

>>212955912
the craftsmanship and care that goes into practical effects really shine through, it's a shame its not a skill widely needed in filmmaking anymore
CGI is so cold and it's overuse makes everything look hollow and fake

>>212955937
>>212955857
avery brooks is too crazy as a human to be marketed at all, theyd cover his ass up.

>>212955912
No that's definitely a model. They were still using 90% physical models up until about S4. None of the Kazon ships were CG.

>>212955983
He'd go on Rogan and explain his PhD in maff while explaining how 2 x 2 is 5 because you have to account for x equalling 1

here's another jeff meme for anon

>>212955978
>not a skill widely needed
I would categorically disagree its needed more then ever unless your willing to spend ten years and billions like cameron everything looks like well as you say hollow and fake
>>212955992
got it yea no way thats cgi

>>212955937
You'd see boycotts for it being too woke with the violent black captain who punches out Q or the angry woman XO.

>>212955912
>>212955992
The lighting easily gives away its a model too.

Babylon 5 is pretty fun ngl

>>212956060
no they'd be mad at Kira for being a freedom fighter and against fascism

>>212956060
i honestly think most of the greater trek fan-zone is really too spergtarded to bother with logical reasons like that. being different is enough to cause meltdowns.

>>212956059
needed to improve a slopping industry but not currently desired by directors then, which is a shame

and that replacement of practical with CGI affects the quality of the visuals too, everything is shot nowadays with the intent to add in CGI after so all the shots are lazy and flat

>>212956063
it is
bab5 and andromeda are both trek adjacent
honestly all scifis from the 90s/00s are pretty comfy in their own way, even ridiculous ones like Lexx
fascape and stargate too

>>212955992
I wish there was a more comprehensive article on CGI usage in DS9 and VOY in order of appearance because it's interesting how they applied it.
The Jem'Hadar battle cruiser, for example, debuted as a physical model in S5's "In Purgatory's Shadow", but it was also computer generated for the scenes in the nebula and when dozens of them come out from the wormhole.

you know I really am trying to relax and not think about the logical inconsistencies in Voy too much but sometimes its just too much, so achocheemoya beamed onto the kazon ship and destroyed their stolen tansporter tech ok so far so good, but no seska captured his shuttle. When she points it it really doesn't matter because they have the shuttle, to which achoocheemoya replies
>I wiped the computer core before beaming on board so haha its worthless
MOTHER FUCKING WHAT?
a: you just said you beamed on board AFTER you wiped the computer core, so no the transporter is fine
b: who gives a shit the phsyical tech is just fine, everything the kazon want transporter, replicator, federation shielding, federation phasers, federation warp tech etc.
who gives a flying fuck that you wiped the computer core, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say that originally the script called for the computer to destroy all the tech once he beamed off but they didn't want to damage the shuttle set or something. So we are left with a perfectly intact shuttle the kazon have full possession of and his big gotcha is
>I wiped the computer core
well good for you, ok rant over, on with the show

>>212956116
>TheMoreThingsChangeTheMoreTheyStayTheSame.jpeg

>>212956315
ah yes this one article is proof absolute proof and not just sensationalist writing so the article has a hook. Funny how you just post this one article over and over

>>212956290
Basically mid 90s Trek had the best of both worlds (no pun intended); physical models primarily, and CGI only when necessary.

>>212956399
>Trying to hand wave the work of Ruth Breisinger
You have no honor.

>>212956550
>the new spock

>>212956315
>Cheryl McFadden
wat?

>>212956315
>fans were upset before seeing as show is the same thing as fans panning a bad show

>>212956603
that's her choreographer name or whatever

>>212956609
Yes.jpg

>>212956609
You're not gonna convince the schizo, just let him scream into the void about how he's being oppressed for liking nutrek

>>212956609
some bitch named Ruth is upset, the entire article is just the late 80s version of rage bait

>>212956676
>>212956677
Fair

>>212956399
>>212956609
>Fans are upset about change
Now you're getting it.

>>212956776
keep screaming into that void m8

>>212956849
Not everyone has to follow what you do.

>>212956868
clearly some like yourself prefer to scream into a void. By all means continue, last (you)

>not everyone has to do what you do

>>212956890
You sure like talking about your time screaming into the void given this the third time in a row you've mentioned it. You really need to see a ship's counselor to work out your problems.

It's great having new episodes of Star Trek back.

Can you imagine only watching the same old episodes, over and over, for 30 or even 40 years? An entire lifetime of nothing new.

Hell in 525 scan lines per frame.

>>212956964
Isn't that just every second Sci-Fi franchise? People still kiss up to Firefly and Babylon 5 even though they're one-and-done series.
And you get Doctor Who where the average fan never has and never will watch all the episodes because BBC was dumb with storing the master tapes.

>>212956197
did you just call farscape ridiculous?

>>212955451 (OP)
What did it look like from lores perspective?

>>212956959
Nutrek is dying. You're the one seething nonstop instead of facing reality.

It's great having new /Trek/ threads back.

Can you imagine watching STD or any of the other tranny garbage and having no one to talk to it about? Just trying to b8 a conversation because nutrek is hated and irrelevant. Spamming threads over and over, for 30 or even 40 times an hour? An entire lifetime of nothing accomplished and no one caring.

>>212957169
It's weird because it's dying but it never lived. It was panned and hated from the moment it came out and became and autistic niche ... in the star trek Fandom. That's saying something

>They're being this bitter and enjoying it.
Gene would be sad with you Berman boys.

>>212957101
nta but farscape is fucking ridiculous and great

>>212957200
what's so weird to me is that he can't just talk about actual trek instead. do you really need to force conversation about the one thing no one cares about? there are trek topics i wanna talk about but i realize this isn't the venue because no one else is into it. the only conclusion you can draw is that he ONLY likes nutrek which is terrifying.

>>212956964
>noooo you can't listen to old music, watch old movies, and read old books!
>you have to CONSOOM!
>listen to nu pop music!
>buy new AI written book!
>go watch hideous digital film!
>enjoy "wow... so this is happening" whedonshit writing in every tv show!
No, I don't think I will. Faggot.
There are new things which are good. Nu Trek is not one of them just because you have taste within the "shit threshold" that allows you to enjoy it.

>>212956300
bricking the shuttle is plausible. seska knows how all the starfleet tech works, if she could make it work without the computer she wouldnt need to steal voyager.
the real problem is chakotays plan was not to be rescued, effectively a suicide mission. he would have rigged the shuttle warpcore to overload and ended the seska problem right then.

>>212957297
My guess is it's a person who doesn't have a lot going on in their lives and it's an easy way to bait attention. If you're alone negative attention is better than no attention? Half the threads have no one engaging him and he fucks off because the point is to rage bait since that's the only avenue to dopamine for him.

What a weird thing to samefag about.

hasnt aged a day

>>212957274
how does it compare to andomeda? i lost interest after rev left. got too wierd

>>212957050
>And you get Doctor Who where the average fan never has and never will watch all the episodes because BBC was dumb with storing the master tapes.
Kek imagine if entire episodes of TOS and TNG were lost to time because Paramount deleted the master tapes. It would cause insane misinformation. People would make shit up and claim it was a lost episode that they watched as it aired.

>>212957564
i didn't get through andromeda myself but farscape i've watched through multiple times. it's fantastic and probably one of the best scifi series ever made. ranks well above bab5 but it is VERY MUCH not like a trek.

>>212957253

> It was panned and hated from the moment it came out and became and autistic niche ... in the star trek Fandom!!!

Oh dear. Anyway...

6500 Trekkies enjoying New Trek at SDCC.

NB4 you insist they were being held hostage by Somali Pirates.

>>212957634
It's more fascinating that they're always so bitter that they have to hate anything new, so much for exploring new worlds.

>>212957634
>6500
10 million viewers watched the premiere of DS9 live.
Also, anyone who uses "Trekkers" instead of "Trekkies" is a fake fan.
>no true Scotsman
Aye, laddie. Simple as. Simple fuckin' as.

>>212956964
If nothing else, the costume designers must be at the top of their game. Ditto with the Vulcan Meet The Spockers ep

>>212957738
To be fair, Doohan was not truly a Scot.

>>NB4 you insist they were being held hostage by Somali Pirates.
What kind of schizo babble is this?
And it's "inb4" not "NB4". You're not from India, are you?

>mandatory space aliens are like usa illegal imigrants episode

std was supposed to anchor CBS All Access. 8 years later paramount plus has never come close to being profitable and Paramount stock lost 95% of its value and is literally being bought out for pennies on the dollar because shari redstone is too proud to liquidate.
nutrek might be the greatest failure in television and film history

>>212957821
Listen, Andrew Robertson is the greatest Star Trek actor and Gerak is my favorite character.

>>212957835
to be fair it might have done that anyway cause tv is fucking dying and streaming was a huge hail mary gamble to start.

>>212957843
>Robertson
Kek, it's kino!

>>212957738
It's almost like a fixed broadcast time will have more simultaneous viewers than a stream that gets updated at 2am.

>>212955643
>first posting to Starfleet
>it’s under a woman captain
>she gets lost immediately
Lessons were learned

>>212957904
The model for media has changed completely and is still in flux. We have no idea what the future holds

>>212957634
>6500 "people" enjoyed spilling sewage onto their eyeballs
And I'm proud to NOT be one of them.

>>212958019
I'm just pointing out why his statement is flawed, and I didn't even mention streaming being paywalled, as opposed to network TV which you can tune into for free.

>>212958109
You're gay and retarded and Nu Trek sucks
>*dabs*

>>212957634
>2023

>>212958109
no, anon, i'm so sorry but you're retarded. the point he was making was that 6500 is not a large number in the grand scheme of trek fandom, which you seemed to be implying it was. it's more analogous to you being the only one here giving a fuck about cartoon slop in a thread about star trek. if there were 10 million people participating in this thread there MIGHT be 6500 people mentally ill like you among us.

>>212958109
It’s apples and oranges, I think we agree on that but to me it begs the question: would any of the shows released during the broadcast era have actually done well if people then had the options they do today. We used to watch whatever was on because that’s what was on

>>212958221
i mean back then they actually cared about making shows people would watch, unlike today.

Not to mention they're just 6,500 who went to SDCC to go to SDCC who just wandered into one of the presentations. If you think drawing as big of a crowd as "Madame Web" at a comic con is impressive you should look up what Star Trek conventions used to look like.

>>212958208
Once again it's all relative, but you're too angry to realize that, especially since you're already resorting to name calling.
You need to take into consideration other factors like the event was at a convention, so it's not only paywalled where you need to pay to attend and it normally caps attendance as well, it's in a physical location as opposed to being broadcast, so people have to make a much greater effort to see it.

>>212957874
Streaming was great when it was just three streamers with tons of legacy content at a reasonable price. Now every studio is locking their content behind ever increasing paywalls. While spending billions on new content nobody will watch or remember by next week. Last time I checked, all the Star Trek shows were on P+ while the movies were on HBO Max.
Skydance was going to force CBS to fire Colbert either way. It had nothing to do with his Trump comments.

>>212958516
It's a great time to sail the high seas, if you know what I mean.

>>212958516
All the movies are on p+
>paypig
Yeah my kids like nick jr

>>212958221
if you could pluck a show out of time and drop it in the current year it would dominate because of episode count. the top 2 scripted series on TV are NCIS and Chicago Med both Dick Wolf 20+ ep season series. would be the same story accross all genres. drop 24 episodes of home improvement on 2025 and it would be an even bigger hit than it was in 1991.

>>212958540
I just bought everything on DVD/Blu-Ray. When you pirate, you don’t get the bonus features. And voting with your wallet shows Paramount there is still an audience for quality storytelling.

>>212958363
SDCC costs $80 a day. its not randoms, its a small number of diehards who plan their day around consuming everything trek. every bit as meaningless.

>>212958657
Oh yeah, I've got those too. I just can't be bothered to dig them out all the time, so I also have everything backed up on an external hard drive.

>>212958516
streaming was always a house of cards, netflix was a pure middleman so it could afford to build an entire industry. everyone else had IP that it could withhold but as cheap as it got to enter the market they all committed suicide with huge investments all at the same time which will never and could never have paid off. Only disney really has the money to both consume the entire fucking industry into one monopoly.

>>212958269
Maybe, but the old newspaper clippings reflect the viewpoint of some of the viewership at the time: given the option I’m sure there were people who would’ve just watched reruns of TOS on demand rather than TNG had that option been available. The first two seasons of TNG were not terribly popular at the time, but we watched them because the alternative was LA Law or some other stupid fucking thing. What the industry doesn’t seem to get is that it no longer works to simply slap a franchise label on it, it has to be good enough to watch without that

>>212958657
i did both because i want to own it for myself but i also don't want to fucking sit there and search for and put discs in a player and also i can watch any episode from any tv in my house because it's on my computer

>>212958596
I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say. Those shows all suck. Law and Order, the original first, say five or six seasons is the only thing Wolfe was involved with that stands up imo

>>212958516
there is no new content worth watching. almost everything old is free on pluto crackle tubi. before streaming shows were literally written for ad breaks so ads dont detract from it at all.
you can also just go to moviesjoy.is or whatever and watch everything for free in 3 clicks or less...easier than figuring out what stream youre supposed to pay for.

Do people unironically pay $15 a month to watch a show that only has 8 episodes come out every 2 years?

>>212958668
Hardly meaningless since SDCC is a general media event.

>>212958744
i dont really like them myself, but they are the most popular shows except for the mega FOMO series that no one really enjoys after a season or 2. paramount plus would be thrilled to get half Wolfs numbers with nutrek.
also not every show needs to be for everyone. this is increasingly important as content production soars past 24hrs a day. its literally impossible to watch everything even if it was all the best entertainment ever produced. so if you know for certain some people arent going to watch youre probably better served catering to smaller audiences. star trek fans want 26 episodes a year. they should give it to us at whatever production quality they can afford. spending billions trying to make nutrek premium streaming content did not work even a little bit. what have they got to lose?

>>212958937
6500 people is meaningless. 6500 showed up in 2023 and 2024 and 6500 will show up this week and nutrek will still be on a death march next week.

>>212959053
If trek was dying like you've been declaring, those numbers would not be consistent and fans would be tuning out.

which movie is best movie?

>>212958936
This is the biggest reason why any trek series would fail even if it was at the top of its game today. You're forced to pay $180 a year for 8-10 episodes that come out 4-5 at a time every 6 months.

>>212959076
How many of them are actually there for Trek? Fifty? Fifty thousand? A million? HOW MANY PEOPLE!!??

>>212956054
Thanks bro

>>212959076
the fans are tuning out as evidenced by nutreks poor viewship and cancellations.
6500 people is not a lot. minor league baseball teams do that every night and nobody gives a shit about baseball

>>212958936
no, they pay $15 and watch everything and then cancel. its why they stopped dropping full seasons all at once.

>>212959177
total SDCC attendance is around 135k.

>>212959211
>>212959177
>They aren't true fans!
>Baseball!
The Founders would be most displeased with your excuses.

>>212959160
there were 706 days between the last episode of snw season 2 and the first episode of season 3.

>>212957738
>>212958034
>>212958187
You guys know that most people were there for the Marvel and Game of Thrones panels, right? We’ll see how many people attend this year’s NuTrek panel, which is the only panel of the day at Hall H.

>>212958269
They had to make sure they were good to be picked up for another season. Streaming shows are announced seasons ahead of time because they constantly need content. It’s doesn’t have to be good.

>>212959403
they use the writer's strike as an excuse even though TNG made a whole 22 episode season during a strike

>>212959370
i didnt say they arent real fans. i said 6500 doesnt mean anything, because it doesnt. if 6500 people showing up to a trek panel in 2023 was good for nutrek, nutrek wouldnt be canceled.

>>212959439
People weren’t there for NuTrek! The NuTrek panel was sandwiched between MCU and House of the Dragon.

>>212959439
Actually it does, since it shows there's interest in the series. If no one showed up, then you'd have a point.

>>212959568
see >>212959563

Made it to Voyager: The Killing Game. Switching back and forth between this and DS9 is taking its toll. I'm losing Trek stamina. Need a hypospray. I'm well over a hundred hours into my Trek saga. Not giving up. Hoping this two parter is better than I remember.

>>212959107
>S tier
V1, TMP
>A Tier
Wrath Of Khan, Journey Home
>B tier
Search for Spock, Final Frontier
>C Tier
TNG movies
>D Tier
Abrams schlock
>F tier
Section 31

>>212959563
>>212959605
>They weren't real fans!
And right after you said you didn't say that too...

>>212959632
trek is better if you watch it passively in the background for 10 or 20 years before you watch for real

>>212958949
> star trek fans want 26 episodes a year. they should give it to us at whatever production quality they can afford
It doesn’t even need to be 26 episodes. Classic Trek filled out the 26 episode order by recycling 3 or 4 stock plots dozens of times. Just give us 12 episodes a year with a mix of episodic stories and multi parters with high stakes.

>>212959568
If nutrek had a large enough dedicated audience then they wouldn't have pulled the plug on every series except the Academy one.
>inb4 it's because they're expensive
If enough people watched them it would justify the budget. If there isn't, then make them cheaper.

>>212959771
just give me something
>hopeful
>interesting
>well written
The biggest problem with nutrek is that everyone is unprofessional, all the villains are cartoonishly evil and never have a point. I want an ensemble cast of competent people working through problems in space ethically and villains to be allowed to have a point.

i'm still working my way through trek and i go back and rewatch episodes i liked many times and also open up random episodes and rewatch specific scenes i liked. also i rewatch episodes to analyze and nitpick them if something specific catches my interest even if i didn't necessarily like it. not fatigued yet.

>>212959708
I’m saying that Trek fans probably only made up like 500 of that 6000.
Star Trek is just not popular. It used to be, but now it’s a rapidly aging fandom. If they tried releasing a Trek movie now, it would probably flop harder than Beyond. After ten years of woke Kurtzman Trek, Star Trek is practically a non-entity overseas.

>>212959815
therein lies the problem with streaming. Shows need enormous budgets to look movie quality to entice people into subscribing. If they were made on a more modest TV budget then no one would care.

>>212959432
> they use the writer's strike as an excuse even though TNG made a whole 22 episode season during a strike
To be fair many of TNG S2 scripts were either repurposed from TOS scripts someone found in a drawer, or generic sitcom or drama scripts with Trek characters pencilled in.

>Trek is huge at COMIC CON!
You guys better don’t look up how Paramount’s dedicated Star Trek events looked.
https://youtu.be/Ke95ILu4X5A

>>212959892
To be accurate s2 is one of the best seasons of any star trek and I don't believe scripts were repressed from sitcoms

>>212959938
>live longish and porsper, prosperity, prosper
>ironically bangs head like a faggot hipster
>Hello tranny
Then I stopped. It was like those old crowbcat Minecraft vids

>>212959815
The problem is streaming is a horrible format for Star Trek since people want an episode a week for 26 weeks, not 10 episodes a year spread out.
Also this >>212959881 if they cut the budget, people would start shitting on it for the drop in quality of sets, costumes and models. It's a Kobayashi Maru.

>>212959947
I love TNG S2 but you can’t convince me that fuckass subplots like picrel weren’t carved out from sitcom scripts that were floating around Paramount at the time.

>>212960076
What sitcom had Okono who was an obvious attempt to make some recurring Han solo figure? The picrel you have is from that episode where famously Joe Piscopo has to do a Jerry Lewis bit because Jerry Lewis turned downed the work?

>>212959881
They don’t need to look movie quality if the writing and acting is decent. I like pewpew lasers as much as the next nerd but I’d prefer an interesting story

Do I watch all of TNG before starting DS9?
Or is there some point where I start interweaving episodes between series?

>>212960222
>Do I watch all of TNG before starting DS9?
yeah

>>212960222
I don’t think it really matters. I’d say finish TNG but that’s just me

>>212960222
You only need the first 4 seasons of TNG to follow DS9 IIRC.

>>212958673
Netflix being successful made every other company pissed because instead of thinking "we are making money". They instead thought "maybe we could be making more money if we cut out Netflix". It's like having a successful cereal and thinking you could make more money if you started your own cereal store so you didn't have to share with the grocery store"

>>212959892
I bet you got that from RLM didn't you.
There was only one reused TOS script in S2. The Child. And it wasn't even from TOS but the abandoned 70s sequel series. And there was only one budget saving clip show.

>>212960271
In terms of context and backstory I think this is correct: once you know about Bajorans, Cardies and Wolf 359 that’s all you really need for DS9. The question is why? You certainly don’t miss anything by watching the series in tandem but I’d find it disorienting or something

>>212960412
sort of but they were already making all the cereal and netflix just sold it at marked up prices. netflix was making retarded profits but also reinvesting that into infrastructure that was necessary for anything work for anyone. they were extra stupid thinking they could see netflix growth after that period was gone and dead.

>>212959878
There in lies the problem, streaming is a horrible format for star trek,the ever expanding convoluted multiverse extremely aging and hostile gatekeeping fandom, CBS/Paramount wanting blockbusters without proper investment. System fucked. But you still have that hard core set of fans who will still show up.

>>212960183
The budget wrecker episode along with Q Who which caused the Shades of Gray clip show. Also reminds me of how Q Who was the introduction for Sonya Gomez who was written to be a comic relief and romantic option for Le Forge, before getting dropped after her second appearance.
It was nice they brought her back as a captain in Lower Decks.

>>212960584
Quark:
>The speed of technological advancement isn't nearly as important as short term quarterly gains.

One thing that might have been fun with the EMH that they didn't do (aside from the miners) is a Multiplicity type story. Why not have the holographic system created 5 or 6 EMHs at the same time?

>>212960584
Paramount+’s UI would have been embarrassing in 2010. I could smell the curry through the screen the programing was so Jeeted.

>>212960682
i never even considered looking at it but i'm sure that's true. everything was a desperate rush job for an imaginary gold rush.

>>212960676
Meh the Andy dick episode is kind of that

>>212960725
Because that's not Robert Picardos running all over the ship in comical fashion.

>>212960627
It’s funny how Gomez got a big introduction scene only to be completely forgotten about for 30 years. I actually thought they were setting her up to betray Geordi somehow.

>>212960797
Wouldn't be the first person or races get memory holed.
Same thing happened with the Pakleds, which coincidentally, was Gomez's only other episode.
Or, insert joke about Nick Locarno and Tom Paris being the same person.

>I actually thought they were setting her up to betray Geordi somehow.
How?

>>212961011
It was just weird she comes out of nowhere like “I can’t wait to work with you!” I thought she was going to be a double agent or start selling secrets to the enemies of the Federation.

>>212956964
I had no idea that Q had a son and that he was actually in star trek before Q.

Episode was allright, bit too campy.

>>212961185
Q dont make kids until the events of voyager. they make a pretty big deal about it so we can be sure it wasnt a misundertanding. trelane is not a Q. he doesnt even have Q power.

>>212961036
Does H&I pull the same shit that Spike TV and BBC America did of cutting parts of the episode to fit in more commercials?
I still remember how the cut out the actual ending of The Schizoid Man where it ends with them finding Graves transferred himself to the computer and not on the bridge where Riker jokingly says Data wrestled a Targ.

>>212961068
She was just very energetic and eager to please while also being a bundle of nerves. I like how they had her mellow out and be more prudent when they brought her back in Lower Decks to show how she took Le Forges advice to heart.
>I thought she was going to be a double agent or start selling secrets to the enemies of the Federation.
I forget if there were any human double agents when Gene was still alive.

>>212961332
ive never noticed any extra cuts. i think it would be more trouble than its worth

>>212961332
> I forget if there were any human double agents when Gene was still alive.
Most likely not but I started with TNG instead of TOS because I saw it pop up on Netflix one day. I wasn’t aware of all of Gene’s bizarre rules like “No interpersonal conflict, it’s a utopia!”

>>212957101
i meant comfy but it is also ridiculous yes, in the best way

>>212961036
>Kirk's nemesis
lol ok calm down

why didnt they just torture her? picard broke in 3 days and he had reason to hope the feds would try to free him. kira was black bagged and would never be found if they didnt do the sloppy spy daughter bullshit

>>212955598
All the Enterprise really needed was Riker, Geordi, and O'Brian. Everyone else was faggot window dressing.

>>212955643
Too Asian-distant. You know what I mean by that?

>>212961382
If it's your first time watching the episode, the cuts are done in a way where you won't notice it, but if you've seen the original episode, they're super noticeable. The other one that comes to my mind is Best of Both Worlds Part II where they cut a majority of Worf and Data's approach to the Borg Cube to rescue Picard.

>>212961410
I was about to say Darvin, but he was a Klingon who was altered to look human.

>>212956110

>>212961716
cringe

>>212961783
Spoonhead detected

>>212961286
John de Lancie voiced the space cloud.


https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Wedding_Bell_Blues_(episode)
>According to an interview with Akiva Goldsman, the Wedding Planner, while not named in the episode itself, is actually Trelane from TOS: "The Squire of Gothos", and his father is Q. [2] Although not credited as Q, John de Lancie therefore reprises this role once more, after he last appeared uncredited in PIC: "The Last Generation", while Rhys Darby takes over the role of Trelane, last portrayed by William Campbell in the Original Series episode.

>Akiva Goldsman
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akiva_Goldsman

>>212961832
>calls people fascists
>uses racist slurs
tankie detected

>>212961835
If it's not said on screen and they're not credited in that manner then how is it canon?

>>212962004
>Hates fun
>Bringing in real politics
No wonder you got kicked out of Quarks.

>>212961835
>hes not Q
>trelane isnt Q either
>but we paid a Q actor scale
>please watch our show
Q dont make kids until the events of voyager. they make a pretty big deal about it so we can be sure it wasnt a misundertanding. trelane is not a Q. he doesnt even have Q power.

>>212962154
It’s great how there are MULTIPLE reality bending cosmic monstrosities in this universe. And people still want to map out the galaxy.

>>212962154
You think in such three-dimensional terms.

I just remembered rokerposting

>>212962154
I know. Q Junior was a kid Q and he had the full extent of his powers (until they were taken away)
Trelane's powers are mostly parlour tricks. His mirror was the source of most of them. He viewed Earth through a telescope which is why he thought humanity was still stuck in the 1700s.

>>212962233
not once in 176 episodes does Q time travel. they can talk about having a different perspective all they want, they only move forward in time as it relates to star trek characters.

>>212962634
>not once in 176 episodes does Q time travel.
in all good things he takes picard back to earth before any life is on it, and tells him how the anti-time anomaly will erase human existence.

>>212962634
watch "all good things"

>>212962788
another picard hallucination is not time travel

>>212962634
Q time travels a few times; Tapestry, All Good Things, and Death Wish, but for the most part his POV stays consistent with the timeline of our heroes

>>212962274
It's all about battle jazz now

>>212962812
>be you
>be anon
>say incorrect thing
>get corrected
>well my headcannon disagrees
Faggot

>>212962274
Riker could have had a legendary pompadour if they didn't blow their wig budget on aliens and Troi.

>>212962274
why did he drink the alien cum
was there no alternative

>>212962910

>>212955451 (OP)
Do they invite Gary to the block party?

>>212955555

>>212962833
>>212962909
hallucinations are not time travel. obviously

>>212962274
>>212962910
Riker
**shitty **
with
**ass **
a
**cunt **
pompadour
**fucking **
le
**thread **
so random

>>212963021
anon. Q2 whisks Voyager away to the Big Bang to hide from Q.

>>212963058
an illusion. if Q could time travel they wouldnt need to test humanity they would already know how it turns out

>>212963021
It's not picards hallucination if everyone else experiences it too.

It's still stupid that Trelane is a Q.
You might as well say that Kevin Uxbridge was a Q and not a Douwd.
You might as well say Gorgon was a Q.
You might as well say the Prophets are Q.
You might as well say Gary Mitchell had the power of Q.
You might as well say Charlie Evans was adopted by Q.
And so on.

>>212961036
Based lineup

>>212963122
Reminder this was 100% real and authentic nudity. No body doubles or CGI fuckery. The cast wouldn’t have it any other way.

>>212963194
>It's still stupid that Trelane is a Q.
This is based even if you are the anon that can't admit he was wrong about q time traveling

>>212963085
who said he needed to?

>>212963228
I'm not but I agree with him about Trelane.
It's a big universe. When you start connecting dots too much, you make it smaller. This is Star Wars tier.

>>212963122
only picard experiences the time travel. everyone else is completely unaware, especially the future crew who encountered the same anomally in season 1 and season 7 and still think picard is a crazy old coot.
after further scrutiny its not even debatable. cant be time travel or everyone would remember it.

>>212963260
Q did. testing humanity is how Q is introduced.

>>212959839
>all the villains are cartoonishly evil
The set up for Admiral Buenamigo was decent given he came from being completely stressed out over not being able to do meaningful work as an admiral and the Texas Class would keep lives out of danger since it was fully automated. Freeman also tried to appeal to his better nature saying he wasn't a bad faith Admiral even after he set her up and had the cover up exposed. It was only when he was totally cornered and the Texas Class would be delayed by years, that he ordered the attack and got killed almost instantly since Federation AIs always go rogue.

There's also Nick Locarno, but we don't know what his end game was more than forming an independent fleet of disaffected crews in the Detrion system while using his Trynar Sheild and Frengi Genesis device as deterrence.
But then Nick turned out the way he did since he didn't get a second chance like his doppelganger Tom Paris.

>>212963322
>cant be time travel or everyone would remember it.

they found that the anomaly was caused by them spamming [whatever] ray at a specific point in three different time periods.

>>212959107
Wrath of Khan>Undiscovered country=Voyage Home>Search for Spock>Beyond>TMP>First Contact>Final Frontier>Generations>Star Trek>Insurrection>Nemesis>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>into butthole

If you include it, galaxy quest would be a top 5 movie

>>212963353
q doesn't say he NEEDS to test humanity.

>>212961619
Nigga the plot of the episode was to destroy a cardassian politician that they considered a potential threat.

so I just came back to the thread and some absolute moron is trying to argue the Q can't time travel, have I got that right?

>>212962274
Same energy

>>212963465
so why didnt the 3rd crew remember the first 2 times? because the first 2 crews died. because it was an illusion for picard and not actual time travel

>>212963322
>only picard experiences the time travel.
picard time travels with q
>everyone else is completely unaware,
Of the time traveling with q
>especially the future crew
Who still take him into space
>who encountered the same anomally in season 1 and season 7 and still think picard is a crazy old coot.
They still take him into space to deal with the anomaly to prove that q is time travelling picard
>after further scrutiny its not even debatable.
Correct, which is why they find the anomaly in all three time periods q time travels picard to
>cant be time travel or everyone would remember it.
You haven't even watched the episode have you

>>212964341
You're an idiot

>>212964341
Maybe Q's trial room is the only real reality and the rest is the illusion. Trelane=Q kek.

>>212963085
>my fanfiction is cannon
Go to tumblr faggot

Archer's biography

>>212964756
pardon me i meant PRESIDENT Archer

>>212964446
so why wasnt the present enterprise affected by the destruction of past enterprise in all good things?
>>212963997
its really more of a question of if Q time travelled in TNG and VOY. it would seem Q are capable of it, but they never use it to affect change.

>>212964756
>hey bridgecrew, i know its a risk but we're explorers and pioneers, so lets see what happens if we interact with this obviously dangerous alien/anomaly
>because we're the first humans here
>oh shit oh shit OH SHIT
>TACTICAL ALERT
>TACTICAL ALERT
i know the schtick is that he's the first captain so some mistakes are warranted but god did they lay that on thick sometimes

>>212964956
he never learns from the mistake. the same mistake he keeps making. over and over again. the exact same one.

>>212965021
>>212964956
>hey bridgecrew, i know its a risk but we're explorers and pioneers

actually this isn't accurate. if he did actually acknowledge the risk it would go a long way to not making him seem so fucking dumb. it's more like he doesn't even think about it at all.

>>212964956
>Reed alert

>>212957304
>>enjoy "wow... so this is happening" whedonshit writing in every tv show!
This is why I don't watch anything made after 2010. There's no sincerity to the writing. Star Trek had some ridiculous plotlines. But the characters and actors took the conflict so seriously, you had to be invested along with them. Now every character rolls their eyes at and acts like they're above whatever plot device comes their way. If they don't care, why should I? The closest thing classic Trek got to quipshit was Riker saying "A blind man teaching an android to paint? That belongs in a book somewhere". But he was being completely earnest.

>>212964854
Picard was definitively connected to his past present and future in the moments Q wanted him to be, that wasn’t a trick or a quarrel it was the end point of the trial that Q started for humanity in the first episode. Tapestry was another example of Q time traveling with Picard and showing the power he has over the timeline. The voyager episode Q of grey showed that another Q had the power to send voyager and her crew all the way back to the big bang

>>212964756
Archad

>>212959938
I have never seen someone more deserving of death in my life

what would you order?
besides the pecan pie

>>212967551
Owon scrambled eggs, its chef's specialty

>>212967551
this. Chef had the opportunity to do the funniest thing and serve them pork

>>212959938
What did I just watch? Like, for real: what was that?

>>212967551
Curious how their beef and mac and cheese taste like.

>>212967692
So are they eating replicated earth chicken eggs or the eggs of some alien species?

>>212955488
what hate? i thought you were my new buddy!

>.212954344
>worldwide phenomenon
By that logic, Baywatch was a much better TV show. It had over one billion viewers worldwide every week.

>replying to posts from last thread
holy shit meds

>>212968554
Pity him. He gets so little attention in reality that he has to crawl over the thread looking to see if anyone gave him any.

>>212968357
Baywatch was only popular because the internet hadn’t made porn accessible yet. If it was an actually good show it would have a legacy like the other shows of its time.

Silence, we're getting naughty pictures of tendi

>>212967885
Eggs of some alien species

It was a shame to not have Gowron officiate Dax & Worf's wedding.
>GLORY TO YOU....AND YOUR SPOUUUUSE

>>212968554
yes i was afk. you should try it some time
>>212968605
if you insist

Tendi is trans and so will be you!

>>212968554
>seething to support a 60 year old tv show that's permanently associated with hopeless nerds
holy shit meds

>>212964483
maybe it's just an inconsistent tv show, written by committee and edited horribly by out-of-touch executives

Seething to support a 5 year old show with no audience

>>212968975
>seething to support the Trans element in that audience
Kek

>>212960011
>star trek fans are as socially embarrassing as they've always been
not news

>>212969178
Speak for yourself faggot

>>212955702
>Discovery never had a chance
Oh it did, back when it was first announced and Fuller was going to be the showrunner, and the buzz was that it would be an anthology series that would skip around and have stand alone or small arc stories set in different periods.
Then he either quit, or got axed, and fucknuts got the job.

>>212958208
>6500 is not a large number in the grand scheme of trek fandom
True. I expected far more Trek fans to be jobless & thus able to attend a comic convention when most grownups are at work.

>>212957253
>star trek fandom

>>212969231
Fuller is a Trek encyclopedia and had the passion to be a great showrunner. But he’s also difficult to work with and can’t deliver on time/budget.
>>212969323
Maybe I beat the Trekkie allegations but I have a career, shower every day, and am a healthy weight.

>>212969172
what seething? i accept old trek, i'm even a fan of it. you're the one deeply motivated to shit on parts of trek that you don't think are "worthy". that's how all this started, or don't you remember?

>>212969521
Fuller has been a showrunner for one decent season of television his entire career and people act like the guy is Christ come again. I don't quite get it.

Sure, Hannibal S1 was great but everything he's done since including S2 has been a complete shitshow. He's the guy who gave us wunderbar Michael Berman.

>>212969525
>you're the one deeply motivated to shit on parts of trek that you don't think are "worthy"
Not that anon, but I pretty much made my decision to not give nu-trek my time and money when during the press junkets for discovery someone said something like "We don't care if the old fans like it or not!" and I realized that I'm under no obligation to watch new-thing because it has "Star Trek" plastered on the side.
Don't feel much like I've messed anything by ignoring it either.

>>212969623
It’s good that Hannibal ended when it did because if it had continued then we would have gotten a 2010s woke interpretation of Silence of the Lambs. Which would have been a total disgrace to the film and book. Clarice would have been Michael Berman in modern day America.

Of course, all of this is pointless because YouTube totally mogs all streaming/network/etc. You're literally fans of a dying paradigm.

>>212969800
>heh, reading War and Peace, are you?
>don't you know that's a dying paradigm? Pfft... pathetic
Outta the way for Mr. Cool Zoomer!

>>212969832
Novels ARE dead. The only way to make money writing novels is to write fem soft-core porn slop. Sorry to break it to you, grandpa.

>>212969800
I watch a lot of youtube, but never tv shows, and only very rarely movies. A couple years ago the dumped all the godzilla movies on it and I spent a week rewatching all my favorite niponese trash kaiju shits.

>>212969861
>Books are stupid, grandpa.
>Anyway, can you make ship go?

>>212969861
>he doesn't know about LitRPGs

>>212969933
You can read those for free on RoyalRoad.

>>212969861
More women read novels so the industry caters to their whims. Video games overtook reading for entertainment with boys over 20 years ago. And it doesn’t help that white male authors are blacklisted from publishing.

>everything is about making money, you see
Ah, the undeniable core message of Star Trek. Only a real fan of the series could possibly understand what it's really all about: following mob rule and profiting at the expense of your fellow man!

>>212969896
I accept your concession. My point stands; novels are dead as a medium.

>>212970034
>he hasn't heard of Amazon KDP/print-on-demand
>>212970037
>everything is about making money
it is if your production company wants to keep making shows

>>212970038
>my point stands

Robin Curtis is the most attractive Star Trek Actress.

>>212970269
You're missing the point, grandpa. How profitable is she in 2025?

>>212970297
she reminds me of the tall overbite red head I saw in the Mall while I was a baby in the 90s. And I'm not sure if that was a real memory or not.

A glint of the Heaven I came from before I slipped into the forgetfulness of wearing this mask.

>>212970372
the concept is real, I did come from there. She is my eternal wife. but the memory in event time I mean. Like was I actually in that mall as my baby body?

>>212970085
>it is if your production company wants to keep making shows
That was the genius of TNG and DS9.
Both shows were dirt cheap to produce, and were done by their own production company and then sold the syndication rights.
They knew exactly how much time and money they had to spend, and just made sure the show was good enough they could sell for twice that.
I bet the streaming shows just have obnoxious budgets because they're all flash and seem to be a way to launder money.
Trek didn't really need to worry about selling ad space because that was the problem of whoever bought the syndication rights, so it just had to focus on making a solid show.
I think things changed when they moved to UPN, which was voyager's era, and it ended up being more and more beholden to selling ad space, so you get seven of nine's fembot suit, and the rock showing up, they needed the show to sell ads space and have numbers.

Does jar jar binks get the n-word pass?

The Dominion will rise again.

>>212970487
Solids are indeed pathetic creatures.

The Dominion will rise again

>>212970487
i mean since we didn't genocide the goopeople like we should have...probably

>>212970269
Ummm nope!

>>212970487
>>212970514
Somehow... the Dominion has risen again.

>>212970514
Solids are indeed pathetic creatures.

>>212957611
I dont remember this scene, I should really rewatch Farscape.

>>212970514
weyoun ix never ever

>>212970525
Robin Curtis looks 1000 million billion times better

>>212970269
>>212970525
Okay, but consider the following.

>>212970584
Robin Curtis still wins.

>>212970603
Afraid not

I don't understand people who don't like to rewatch things. To me there's nothing more interesting than knowing what the twist is before the characters do.

>>212970603
not when prime famke jansen was a guest star

>>212970739
>Guest star
Doesn't count

>>212970739
I'm still going to say that Robin Curtis wins, because I have to say it again because someone else responded and I don't want people to think it was me who made the 'guest stars don't count' affordance.

>>212970466
Here’s where the budget goes:
>A-List stars and showrunners
>CGI set pieces and digital sets
>DEI consultants telling the writers to make the cast more gay and black
This is why television has become so enshittified.

>THAT'S IT PICARD, I'VE HAD IT, YOU'RE A LOOSE FUCKING CANNON
>YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN A HOTHEAD BUT THIS TIME YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR
>I'VE GOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED FEDERATION OF PLANETS THIS FAR UP MY ASS
>TURN IN YOUR COMMUNICATION BADGE AND YOUR PHASER
>AND YOUR OTHER PHASER

>>212970603
Nah, peak Nana and Terry have this, sorry.

>>212970819
>I have to say it again because someone else responded and I don't want people to think it was me who made the 'guest stars don't count' affordance.

I used to be schizophrenic but we're both ok now. Spook!

>>212970466
But then Voyager had about the same budget as DS9 and ENT's was even lower

>>212970771
My name is Thaddeus S. Tartrek VI, my family discovered star trek in the early 1800's, and the correct official answer is actually Kim Cattrall.

>>212970881
I'll take Jeri Ryan you can have them

>>212970847
>mfw i was only 2 days away from retirement

>>212970603
>>212970881
While you fight over the organics, I'll take the stacked, bi, trill girl.

i vote for Nana

>>212970973
Yeah, you can have the Borg sex doll.
>>212971043
Yeah, you can have the 2D girl.
>>212971063
Good boy.

worshipping T'pol's feet.

>>212971043
She's made of circles and straight lines bro. Grow up.

>>212971163
>She's made of circles and straight lines

>>212971087
>Yeah, you can have the Borg sex doll
Heh, oh no, I really missed out on th-those other women. What on earth could anyone see in prime Jeri Ryan? Shucks, my bad luck strikes again.

>>212971182
Yes. I even enjoy anime. But I do not lust over circles and lines and am able to separate reality from images portrayed in two dimensions.

You seem to lack the ability to make that distinction.
Beyond that, your taste is objectively terrible as Pickle Trek is the most derivative looking CalArts slop I've ever seen.

>>212971272
Now try that again with less buzz words

>>212971288
Yes. I even enjoy anime. But I do not lust over circles and lines and am able to separate reality from images portrayed in two dimensions.

You seem to lack the ability to make that distinction.
Beyond that, your taste is objectively terrible as Pickle Trek is the most derivative looking CalArts garbage I've ever seen.

A part of me giggles a bit on the inside every time anyone says "debriefing."

>>212971303
That's an equal amount of buzz words.
You have failed us for the last time.

>>212971327
I used one buzzword in the first post, "slop." I removed it as you requested.

>>212961286
it's extremely confusing because Q has a son, and they make a REALLY big deal about how unusual that is in the voyager episode.
now, time isn't linear for the Q, so it *sounds* like they're implying that Q jr *becomes* trelane around 8000 years...
except he specifically referred to "the old home world" which would imply that... he was from *before* they became Qs.

So maybe, I guess, what's going on is that the Q continuum "ascended" 8000 years ago and he was just a kid when it happened

Or they're lazy writers

I'm going with lazy writers

Baking

>>212971316
i have a similar thing with "pink skin" like oh Shran if only you knew how pink it really is

>>212971344
It's just Temporal Mechanics 101.

>>212971342
You used multiple ones and reveal your normalfag ways, for shame.

>>212971372
>you used multiple ones
Such as?

I don't get how anyone can find the Titmouse style to be erotic at all, it's all the same heads, bodies, faces just with the colors swapped

>>212971397
Yeah, that's my point really. It's just a copy/paste art style, palette swap art style. Derivative slop, I think I called it.

New>>212971438
New>>>212971438
New>>>>212971438

>>212971394
Objectively, Pickle, CalArts.
Two dimensions and derivative is you being pretentious.

>>212971360
Now I won't be able to unhear that one kek

>>212971456
>discussing objectivity is a buzzword
lol, you are a brainlet or an ESL.
>Pickle
This isn't a buzzword at all, what the fuck are you talking about.
>CalArts
I'm referring to a very specific art style. It's the opposite of a buzzword. There is zero generalization being used.

I accepted your retarded ESL third world concession. See you next thread, geek.
*shoves you into a locker*

>>212971507
>ESL
Now you're using more buzzwords
Also you're being subjective, not objective and just opinionated, which you're allowed to be wrong on. But keep doubling down on your buzzwords.