Thread 212992487

You lied to me, /tv/. It was great.

>i am a retard: the post
I seriously wish I could murder snyderhaters. a people's view on the triology of Snyder moves is my benchmark for who is a truly evolvd human and who is garbige scum and you sir deserve to fucking die

>>212992487 (OP)
I think its going to take a while for pop culture to absorb how good it is. it does weird things with tone that people aren't used to because every superhero movie for a while has had the bland MCU tone. a lot of its potential fans haven't seen it yet because they are assuming capeshit has completely run out of steam.

>>212992540
I didn't say anything about Snyder, I'm saying /tv/ lied to me, which has happened at least thrice if not fource now

>>212992540
good morning saar

>>212992590
okay oky fine you havent seen some of the greates works of fiction ever designed but if you like s25 you still deserve a strong beating

>>212992583
>Save them all, my son
Bizarro Pa Kent is a bigger menace than even Darkseid. I hope Murderman will be able to prevail in the sequel.

>>212992612
Fuck off bitches. i'am 6'3 engineer with blonde eyes and blue hair but am a German so English is not my first language

>>212992661
what ever you say sukdeep

>>212992540
Kys

>>212992661
Tall white people never have to go out of their way to tell people they are tall and white, Rajneesh.

>>212992657
>I am grateful for my visit to this sick inverted world. Now I know how my life would have turned out had Pa been the type of fool to listening to the teachings of Darkseid. I would have been soft like this "Superman" - soft, worthless, and with nothing to come home to at the end of the day but a shabby apartment instead of a grand palace constructed by scores of human slaves.

>>212992487 (OP)
Jeets lied to you. Those same jeets are now busy shilling fantastic bore.

/tv/ I hate you for always being the greatest bunch of liar...Gilded Age was great silo was great Severance was great FROM was great House of Dragon is great Foundation is great

>>212992742
>>212992688
>>212992710
Fuck off nd experience needing dies. They do when green scum like you doubt my whitehood.

>>212992807
no saar fuck you bloody saar

>>212992487 (OP)
It's just ok. I liked that it's a superhero film through-and-through, just owning the silliness and not doing a Marvel "lol this is stupid, hey audience?" But it starts halfway through the story and really doesn't set up anything, Superman is a paragon of virtue because he just is ok!? It rests entirely on what comic book fans think of the character instead of establishing anything about him. The other superheroes are fun but also not established at all, they're just there. The worst thing for me was that the reveal of Superman's parents being evil was almost forgotten about. It shoud have been a focus of the film and a pivotal moment when it's revealed, with Superman going through an arc of realising he does good because it's the right thing to do, not just because he was told so. But Luthor reveals it, then it's dropped for half the film, and then Superman mentions it to Pa Kent and forgets about it again.

In terms of structure and narrative it's total crap. In terms of tone it's great. 6/10.

>>212992851
actually nes nigger i am a saarlander from the saar in germany. 6'4 green haird blonde eyed. I am half French to so call me GIGA LA CHAD

>>212992487 (OP)
if somebody calls a movie 'woke' just disregard their opinion. that word has been used to death and has no meaning at this point.

>>212992854
I don't see his Kryptonian parents are consciously evil, just evil from a human perspective. It's like if a human discovered a perfectly habitable planet that was comprised of ants. You would settle there without caring about the ants. Lex on the other was fully consciously evil.

>>212992780
>>212992487 (OP)
This /tv/ keeps saying that modern tv and movies are bad when we are living in the golden age of cinema. Things like switching from analogue camera to digital camera and adding cgi in everything are actually genius ideas. I love modern entertainment!

>>212992487 (OP)
>Movie who's message is about hope is good
I'm shocked!

>>212992807
>experience needing dies
Explain yourself Sunil.

>>212992854
>>212992905
Pa and Ma Kent are his real parents. That's what makes him human and differentiates him from Kryptonians who only care about themselves.

>>212992487 (OP)
I liked it. Exactly how a Superman movie should be. Not some edgelord shit

>>212992906
If I wasn’t so autistic I would assume this was sarcasm. But I am so I don’t. I agree!!

>>212992961
Capeshit comics haven't been good since the 90s.

>>212992938
fuck OFF MY NAME IS CONRAD FRANZ

>>212992487 (OP)
It was great. Snyderjeets were not loved as children. Its only natural to ignore them now.

>>212992961
The funniest thing is, I (OP) am ordinarily into DC's edgier stuff (Swamp Thing, Spectre, etc), not Superman, but this felt really on point with the character which is something that hadn't been done since Reeve's version. It's nice to have a hopeful non-cynical movie every once in a while.

>>212992961
You mean except for where they nerfed the FUCK out of Superman just so the other heroes would have something to do do? At one point he was getting his ass kicked by two human beings.

>>212992961
>Not some edgelord shit
MoS was hopeful. Superman 25 is a nihilistic sociopathic facsimile. It convinced me that Gunn is an evil man.
>>212992999
Simmer down, soldier. A EFL Snyder lover is here to trade barbs with these brutes now.

>>212992487 (OP)
>foot on top of the black guy
niggers just can't catch a break

Everything is getting shittier and more expensive the internet and western countries are being flooded with brown subhumans from cultures that make women wear trash bags and eat literal feces

>>212992487 (OP)
/tv/ always lies

>>212993078
go get them tiger and hmu in if in Germany i attender a restore the snyderverse fan club

>>212993078
good morning saar

>/tv/ unironically praising capeshit
What's next? Are you going to praise shonenshit as well? Or horrorshit? I miss old /tv/.

>>212992854
> The worst thing for me was that the reveal of Superman's parents being evil was almost forgotten about. It shoud have been a focus of the film and a pivotal moment when it's revealed, with Superman going through an arc of realising he does good because it's the right thing to do, not just because he was told so.
I disagree it was forgotten. We can see the consequences because it’s what causes the government to want to bring Superman in for questioning. It’s also the reason Guy and Hawkgirl don’t go help save Superman. It comes back up once Superman returns to the Kent’s farm, Guy and Hawkgirl change their minds about helping Superman when they realize where he’s from doesn’t matter and it’s his actions that define him, and Superman gives a speech affirming his humanity at the end.

>>212993131
Pedogunnjeet. Please "saar", "do the needful" and kys

>>212993078
> Simmer down, soldier
Lol did this sound tough in your head?

>>212993071
When was this?

Shill thread

>>212993175
please to be using more quotation marks saar it is making you look very big smart saar

>>212993186
We basically are the modern day French resistence against an evil autocratic regime of slop. You are a Brownshirt, in effect. Yes, bitch, we are soldiers and we do not forget, we do not forgive, and we're gonna bring your entire empire crashing down.

>>212992487 (OP)
I'm annoyed that I can't genuinely discuss this movie on /tv/ with anyone because it's filled with... I don't even know anymore. Is it 16 year olds with nothing better to do. Is it indians. Is it asians. Is it other 3rdworlders. I don't know but /v/ has been the same. Worse really, for a long time
The movie was pretty good. I don't even know if your OP post is genuine either.

>>212993197
Proton River scene while he was holding the miscegenation baby.

>>212992540
Pipe the fuck down, Raj.

>>212993246
>brownshirt
Oh good I look great in earth tones. Where do I sign up?

>>212993062
Swamp Thing is edgy in that it's a horror story but it has real human emotions under the surface. It's a great story and I hope DC doesn't fuck it up.

>>212992540
I hate Snyder and Gunn Superman. I like man of steel tho.

>>212993297
See this is why me and my brothers call you and your ilk evil. You are conveying solidarity with Nazis.

>>212993247
The movie was only good in comparison to the other slop released this year. It would have bombed if it was released before 2015

>>212993247
>I don't even know if your OP post is genuine either.
It's genuine, movie felt like a breath of fresh air which is ironic to say given that there's so much oversaturation within the genre

>>212993317
Not good enough.

>>212993328
Did you steal your mom’s thesaurus? Why do you talk like you're in a fantasy novel from 1975?

>>212993304
So read the Moore run or a different one? Will is actually translate well to a movie? Idk, I simply want a QRD from an actual fan of these comics because I like reading passionate posts about this stuff.

>>212993247
>>212993349
>modern movie
>good
Please watch stuff made before 2000 you dumb zoomers. Your standards are so fucking low.

>>212993349
Your brain is filled with worms and estrogen.

>>212993165
Yeah there's some links in the plot and I get what Gunn was going for, but it seriously isn't the emotional focus of the film when it absolutely should have been. It's actually a really good idea but gets smothered by bullshit like the pocket universes, Ultraman, Mineralman's baby, and whatever. The film needs a dramatic core but it only presents it in ADHD snippets.

It's like the polar opposite of Man of Steel, which attempted to centre the drama around Superman's sense of identity and care for others, and in terms of structure MoS worked towards that in a solid, conventional way. But it had the totally wrong tone which made Pa Kent a misanthrope and Superman a grim asshole. Something with Superman 2025's intent and Man of Steel's structure as a solid origin story would be perfect.

>>212993391
Because we're in a fight to free humanity from evil slop. Superman 25 literally flopped at the BO hard because of our efforts to review bomb it, boycott theatres, etc. We spared young minds from being infected by evil and now MoS will stay in the cultural consciousness to inspire hope.

>>212993078
When your Superman is being memed as MurderMan, you failed the character. The meme is taking off because of the contrast between what Superman is suppose to be all and what he isn’t

>>212993263
He was suffering from kryptonite poisoning while fully submerged needing to keep the baby above “water” and still got them off him in about a minute. Personally I’d give him a pass

>>212993304
>DC
>doesn’t fuck it up
Lol. There’s only one swamp thing anyway.

>>212993400
I'd say the Moore run is the best overall. Funnily enough, Wes Craven made a movie in the 80s, but I've never seen it and it seems rather generic. OP also mentioned The Spectre who has some pretty cool stories in his own right, but he's more of an anti-hero than an optimist like Superman. For that, I'd recommend John Ostrander's run from the 90s.

>>212993440
This is a coordinated gunnbot campaign, obviously. These memes are as inorganic as fake grass. And MoS had plenty of real grass because it's attuned to the nature and beauty of our world unlike the evil sterility of Gunn's bastard abomination

Good movie, until lex and gunn's brother appear on screen

>>212993420
For modern movie standards it's good, yes. Better than most stuff out now.
>>212993422
So let me deal with that.

Why did they make Jor-El evil? I know the message was nurture over nature, but it feels like they shit all over his biological parents to make the Kents look better.

>>212993467
>suffering from kyptonite poisoning
Nope, the weird looking shithead with the dumbest power ever made a mini sun (lol) for him and healed him. His powers aren’t even consistent within the movie, in one scene he can lift a fucking skyscraper and in another he can’t fight two humans with one hand? It’s a shit movie.

>>212993494
The Lex was on point though. A bit moustache twirly at times but nevertheless accurate.

>>212993487
>These memes are as inorganic as fake grass. And MoS had plenty of real grass
kek

>>212993525
To drive home the point that's he's as human as anyone else on Earth

>>212993525
> Why did they make Jor-El evil?
Because this is a Guardians of the Galaxy movie with a DC polish on it and James Gunn has a hard on for parents in his movies for some reason. Also the usual “subversion of expectations” bullshit in all comic slop these days.

>>212993571
MEANWHILE Snyder Lex is one of the most complex bone chilling villains in all of fiction that runs circles around Hopkins and his shallow Hannibal Lecter performance

>>212992487 (OP)
Great is a strong word. It was fine.

>>212993487
Weird that you compare movies to grass when it's clear you haven't touched any in years.

>>212993659
lol

>>212993424
I see, that’s fair and I agree. It’s strange that I actually wanted the movie to be a bit longer considering I’ve been really critical of just how long movies are today. I’m not sure what I’d add to show Superman agonizing over it, maybe in his discussion with Lois with the light show in the back? Really I think the beats were there but I think the movie could have settled back down either there or at the Kent farm.

>>212992540
>Snyder not mentioned even once
>Deranged streetshitter immediately wishes death upon people who don't like his special interest
Nuke India.

>>212993677
It was evil and sociopathic and it should be destroyed. I would love it if Gunn was tortured to death

>>212993677
At least he wasn’t Micheal B Jordan.

>>212993514
>For modern movie standards it's good, yes.
That's a very low bar but you are probably right.

>>212993659
You're trying way too hard. Reel it back a notch.

>>212993247
They're JIDF. They are paid to be here and pollute most organic discourse on the internet. They are organized against this movie because it has a strong anti Israel pro Palestine message told through metaphor.

>>212993548
He pops out of the pocket universe clearly poisoned. You can see his veins turning green. That’s why he had to go back to his parent’s. Did you miss that?

>>212993704
how was it evil? it's overtly the opposite

>>212993719
Lol if you can’t tell this is shitposting you definitely belong on this board.

>>212993346
I don't think so, I think it would have done well before 2015 because it's Superman. But yes if you took Superman out of it, there's just nothing really compelling about the movie to stand on its own. As a first entry into a new dc universe though? It's solid. The next one is important. It will need to be actually really fucking good if this universe is going to have legs.

>>212993349
>breath of fresh air
I agree. I've been checked out of capeshit for a long time. I had forgotten what it felt like when they're actually decent. The movie equivalent of good fast food
They did the most important thing which is demonstrating a proper understanding of who Superman is. Lex was a great character in this as well, they nailed his motivations too. Honestly my only critic of this movie are aesthetic choices. I'm not fully sold on the actor. In some scenes he looks like a great Superman and in others he looks goofy. I blame Gunn or at least the cinematographer. Also his costume can be exactly the same just remove the fucking basketball texture to it

>>212992487 (OP)
If great means an ugly garbage product symptomatic of a fallen civilization, then yes, you're right.

>>212993719
Lex created Doomsday born out of man's eternal and ever evolving relationship with 'God' as an idea that resulted in stuff in our history like nukes. What's not bone chilling abot that? I have perspective that you lack because you are stupid and I am better than you

>>212993704
>I would love it if Gunn was tortured to death
This but not because of the capeshit movie but because of his awful subhuman haircut. Absolutely disgusting.

>>212993730
Nope, and he’s still underpowered as fuck.

>>212993062
>edgier stuff
Really hope they do well with the Rated-R Clayface movie but I do not have high hopes at all, it'll also be a really hard sell to an audience, they better be making it on a 20-100 mil budget. The casting for Clayface is good though.

>>212993749
> have done well before 2015 because it's Superman
Ahem.

>>212993737
Evil can't sense evil!?!? WOW. Also, the sky is blue!! WOW!! OMG!! Jesus you animals are fucking exhausting. I really wish you were all gathered in a camp for me and my brothers to murder you all slowly and painfully. I hope you have a sister or gf so she can be raped in front of you by the Indian fans. They ofc are honorary whites due to their devotion to Snyder but they are our tactless foot soldiers for a reason

>>212993747
I know it's shitposting, he's just laying on gas too hard. Shitposting should be at least a little subtle.

>>212993749
Basically agree with all of this, good take

>>212993819
Okay now you’re overdoing it. Hey when does school start again for your guys?

>>212993840
>Shitposting should be at least a little subtle.
On modern /tv/? Not really. You can catch people with the most obvious bait because the board is filled with newfags, gen z faggots and brown faggots.

>>212993819
lmao Murderman has access to the internet now

>>212993857
Samefagging is a sin against God.

>>212993783
Yup, not sure how you missed that considering the return to the Kent’s makes no sense without that. You don’t remember Mister Terrific saying he’ll need the night to recuperate? Did you shut your brain off?

>>212993890
Always did

>>212993884
That's why it's our responsibility as oldfags to call them out and help them be better at being shit.

>>212993487
Bro, the entire plot of BvS is Superman being MurderMan and Bruce with eyes on the ground seeing first hand the destruction and death he caused and wanting to stop MurderMan. Magically the objective went out the window when MurderMan cried for his mommy

>>212993879
>Okay now you’re overdoing it.
Not really. It's not immoral to do whatever the hell you want to do to evil people. In my hypothetical, if Snyder haters are not punished to the extreme their diseased ilk may rise again the plague the arts

>>212993927
Any answer to the school thing or?

>>212993917
PRIME TIME

Pretty bummed it seems like he’s coming back considering he got to return home to his earth. I hope they don’t ruin him

>>212993905
I'm not samefagging, it's a sincere take and he's right about pretty much everything. Difference is, the costume kind of grew on me even though I initially disliked it. Where it aesthetically dropped off in quality was during moments of bad cinematography or CGI, more than the overall design of the costumes and set pieces. Still, it's good popcorn cinema.

>>212993923
>It's over Murderman! Lex is keeping Lois safe and Alfred is getting Martha. We are freeing them from your tyranny!
>*Murderman absorbs these words and decides if he cannot have them, nobody can*
>GAAaaa.... YOU'RE LETTING HIM SAVE MARTHA... KILL MARTHA!!

>>212993917
I like how he has to hunt and peck.

>>212993964
I'm a software engineer on 900k. I don't do school anymore, kid.

>>212993917
I know they won't do it but it's time they brought him into the movies. His dynamic with current Superman would be really funny to see.

>>212994011
Lol is that how much you think software engineers make? Oh boy, so not high school but junior high then.

>>212994017
He would outshine Lex in narcissism and brattiness. And Supes' cousin is already a brat herself so it might be too much to bring him in currently.

>>212994017
Seeing as how current Superman is a raging pussy who allows everyone in his life to henpeck and talk shit to him then I agree.

>>212993984
World was better off had MurderMan never shown up. Never would’ve sent the signal that brought Zod. Lex would’ve never created Doomsday and Dakesied likely never would’ve paid attention to Earth

>>212994052
Yea goes to show how briliant I am. Truly it is the elite of the elite of humanity that love Snyder the most.

>>212992487 (OP)
>Listening to Snyderjeets

>>212994106
Okay now it’s funny again.

>>212994017
>>212994083
Is the meta stuff essential to Prime for even on screen?

>>212994097
The fact that he doesn't snap their necks at the tiniest irritation doesn't mean he can't get the job done when he has to.

>>212994135
Your existence? Yes it is. I would squash you like a bug if we ever met in person. First time I ever did bench press was 15 I did 225lbs

>>212993816
You misunderstood me. We're talking about if this movie existed in 2010 or whatever. This movie is competent and gives audiences what they want out of Superman
As an aside though, Superman Returns is kino

>>212993973
I want torrents to come out soon so I can watch it again. It might grow on me more but I just dont know what the problem with regular cotton fabric is. Reeves's suit is perfection. They also really need to drop the close-up face shots when he's flying. I don't know if it's the closeness or the specific aspect ratio but it looks so bad I don't know what they're thinking. Honestly if they just cut those out the amount of times the actor looks goofy in the film drops like 70%. I like that he gets beat up, dirty, etc, that's not what I'm referring to. Sometimes his face just looks kinda fucking odd
>Where it aesthetically dropped off in quality was during moments of bad cinematography or CGI, more than the overall design of the costumes and set pieces
You talking about the pocket dimension? I didn't like that cubey time stream or whatever that was

>>212994162
Yes because there’s absolutely no middle ground between snapping necks and being a giant pussy. None at all.

>>212994142
Superboy Prime's world resembles ours more, and comic books are a thing there. But it's not like other movies haven't done that so it wouldn't be an issue. As far as him being "aware" that he's in a comic, no, he's not Deadpool.

>>212994205
Is Superboy Prime the one where he’s spent 10 thousand years in the middle of the sun or some other dumb shit?

>>212994097
Who does he let henpeck him? He tells Gardner to back off and the two get interrupted iirc

>>212994172
>They also really need to drop the close-up face shots when he's flying.
That was when the aesthetic dropped off for me, not the suit. But I also get it, it's fucking Superman. I did find it cool how they injected some realism into random shit covering his face when he flies really fast, like when he was after Krypto. Stuff like that is fun and helps with immersion.
>You talking about the pocket dimension?
Not necessarily, just the CGI being overabundant sometimes, and also I was very much referring to those close ups when he's flying, so you caught that too.
I gotta say, it's a small detail, but I really like the new DC logo intro with the Fleischer/Golden Age Superman.

>>212994249
That's yet another alternate version, who is called Superman Prime 1 million. He can basically do anything, but it's a different story.

Just got out the theater. This movie is fucking kino. Superman saving randoms was fucking kino and so was him wanting to save the kaiju and the ending was the most kino capeshit we have seen in a very long time.

post the spectacled whore, she carried the movie

>>212994249
No that’s Superman One Million. Superboy Prime is a Superman who had his entire universe erased during Crisis on Infinite Earths. He, earth 3 Alexander Luthor, and earth 2 Lois and Clark escape to a pocket universe to relive their memories. Superman and Lois are content with their lives considering they had lots of fun adventures but Alexander Luthor, whose a few days old, and Superboy prime, who watched his whole world die soon after discovering his powers, live in a state of agony reliving a life that “might have been.” Eventually Luthor makes a device to watch the then-current post-crisis universe and Prime becomes disgusted with 90s/00s edge. Luthor poisons Lois and the group busts out to find a cure. Prime accidentally kills a Teen Titan after escaping and loses his mind.

>>212994392
For how much /tv/ was memeing her, I was surprised how little she's in the film. But she's alright I guess. The Jimmy stuff sounded like it'd be way more overdone from reading /tv/ posts, but he didn't have that many scenes either. The angle with Lex's gf was funny, imo.

>>212993247
Mostly third worlders pretending to be white.

>>212994437
I was disappointed Clark and Jimmy don’t hang out more. I didn’t get a sense Jimmy was Superman’s “Pal”

>>212992854
Superman is a paragon of virtue because he just is ok. Everybody knows Superman is a paragon of virtue it’s not interesting to see it again

>>212994476
It would've eaten up too much screentime. I do think Superman's interactions with people were a bit undercooked at times, but it's a runtime issue. His conversation with Pa Kent for example was nice, especially right at the end, but then we immediately jump back to the war situation without leaving that scene to breathe.
Still, it's not like the MCU where a lot of scenes like that are immediately interrupted with a fart joke. This seemed more sincere.

>>212994257
Incels are mad that he didn’t slap Lois even though he opened himself up to interview (where his answer was proven correct through the rest of the movie)

>>212993632
I liked it more than GotG. Those movies are okay but I don't care for a ragtag team so much. Superman is more competent and messianic as a superhero, EVEN in Gunn's world. The Justice Gang too.

>>212992487 (OP)
And remember, be KIND!

>>212993696
I think it just needed more focus on Superman, it's bouncing around with the Justice Gang and all of Luthor's goons, and there's not enough room for Superman's central story. Like you said there's moments it could have slowed down, but even then I think it's too disparate. It would be stronger to have every decision Superman makes from then on be tied to his own growing realisation that he's human and is helping people because it's morally right, not because of where he came from. If the central message is that Superman is human, give him the room to show and explore that. Instead he gets a mechanically plot-driven prison escape and then fights with goons where he has no conflict related to his parents.

>>212992487 (OP)
/tv/ didn’t lie to you, you just fell for the shitposts and ragebait. /tv/ never gave you an opinion

>>212994485
>showing a character's traits is bad
This is just basic drama, if I need to read Action Comics issues #8-72 then I don't give a fuck.

>you wanted Superman? Too bad, you got something better
LMAO BASED

>>212992540
It's all pseudo intellectual shit you retard.
Go talk to your collages that your worldview based on movies where men wear latex suits and see how they react to that

>>212994874
yeah guy was pretty fun, gonna feel bad about him when batman inevitably knocks his bowl cut to the ground

>>212994299
>But I also get it, it's fucking Superman
That's the thing though, you can get close up shots of Superman smiling while flying without being 2 inches from his face. https://youtu.be/2t2Fc_ImH_w?si=WnPphiG3A1MU-MnP&t=71
Honestly I didn't even really notice anything covering his face. Or at least it didn't register to me
>I gotta say, it's a small detail, but I really like the new DC logo intro with the Fleischer/Golden Age Superman.
>and also I was very much referring to those close ups when he's flying, so you caught that too.
Yeah same. I cant fault that anon for calling us samefag because we apparently share pretty much the same opinions

I didn't mean the pocket dimension itself, that was good. Just that orangey dimensional river or whatever in the pocket dimension that Superman was submersed in for a while. To me it felt like pure visual pollution

>I didn't like the mov-
>Snyderjeet! Snyderjeet!
This is why nobody takes the fans of the movie seriously, your favorite thing about the movie is that is not the Snyderverse and ignore actual criticisms about the story. Go parrot your Punk Rocker bullshit on reddit

>>212995181
Some aspects of the Snyderverse were pretty well made, imo. For example, Russel Crowe as Jor El was a good casting, and Michael Shannon as Zod was really on point. But the new one is much more accurate to the character overall and was as positive as a Superman movie should be. This is literally the granddaddy of the whole concept and it's foolish to subvert him even to the extent of him being morally grey or inject too much realism into it, like Snyder did. Superman is above wrecking someone's car for being a drunk asshole. Maybe he would scare him off but not to the extent of property damage. And the new Superman showed that you can have a giant spectacle fight without as much collateral damage as MoS has.

>>212995324
It's 80+ years old, but I still think Fleischer Superman is a good example of him being intimidating while not being overly violent or psychotic.

https://youtu.be/ENAbR1-9II4
2:35 is an example of what I mean. Him just standing there is speaks for itself and he doesn't have to break the building in half to prove his point.

>>212992961
You are a child in an adult's body. Grow the fuck up.

>>212994874
Our /guy/

>>212995181
SAAR REDEEM IT

>>212995460
5:35*

i wasn't expecting just how comic booky it was, had to first get adjusted to it and imagine i was watching an episode of jlu or something

i didn't really like the beginning, the middle was highly enjoyable and the ending could've been better because i'm not a fan of punching each other for 20min if there isn't something that makes it more interesting

overall i liked it, lex and terrific were surprisingly great, israel being painted as the evil cunts they are was great, the punk rock line was great, the hypno glasses were great, the little things like lois pants and shoes/monkey bots/superman asking whether everyone was alright and being awkwardly happy were great and more

hawkgirl not being a redhead is disappointing but moner is also good, although i do not like the costume

>>212995324
I'm not defending Snyder's vision, I don't actually like that movie aside from the score, the flying scenes and Henry Cavill's casting, although this proves my main gripe with the conversation around this movie. For some reason people decided that you either love it or you are a die-hard fan of the Snyderverse, and there's no room for actual discussion of the film itself. It might be due to the disparity in critical reception between the us and the rest of the world, but it sucks you are put into one of two categories as soon as you give an opinion. It doesn`t help that Gunn created the perfect gif (the monkey scene) to deflect from any actual complaints abou the pacing, the plot or the awful CGI.

Just going to put this here since Snyder jeets will try and memory hole this

I'm going to go see it again tomorrow just from guilt over how obsessively i've been rewatching the camrip.

>>212992487 (OP)
>Look up
Nah, bitch, it's MY time now. Thanks for taking care of the dog though *burps*

Shut the fuck up Gunnshill. Superman is dogshit which is funny because it features a dog so its super dog shit. Prepare for its bitchass legs to be broken by Fantastic Four.

>>212996278
the fact that australia used to b a prison colony makes this a good casting

>>212996278
>Shazam poster

>>212992661
Fick dich. Tu mir den Gefallen und lauf Nachts mal allein durch den Bhf Frankfurt.

>>212995488
i have a house and you don't lmao

>>212996278
Based
#Supershit

>>212996295
I'll throw you a bone and say Marvel is doing much better in the video game front right now (Rivals, Tokon) but the new DCU has a good foundation to build up from. Gunn and his team of monkeys just need to invest in areas outside of tv and film because DC hasn't had a good game since Arkham Knight.

>>212992540
snydertrannies defend suicidal pa kent by the way
lmao
As a father MoS is a fucking insult , dude was suicidal and murderman helped him.

>>212996558
a monke would type that..

>>212996632
he said they'll be doing video games too, they don't want to rush out too much shit at once

>>212992487 (OP)
I'm glad the fight scenes were more creative than usual. Superman using engineer as a club and lasering all those flying soldier dudes while spinning super fast was really fun.

>>212995181
Most criticism is trite shit posting. Put in an effort post if you don’t want to be called a Snyjeet. I’ve had plenty of actual discussions on the movie with people who didn’t like it because they put a modicum of effort toward their criticism instead of
> hurrr Superman am too weak
> durr pedogun
> errr le goofy

Good luck with that.
>proceeds to do the most Superman shit ever for about half a minute
Yeah it was kino

>>212998191
I liked the score in that scene too, Angry Joe implied the movie barely had a soundtrack but it's not true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqSenrjS-ZU

>>212998226
Soundtrack was one of the best parts about the new Supes. My only complaint is that it remixes the new Superman theme too often.

>>212992487 (OP)
Was it better than MoS?

>>212998346
i liked both but i prefer the new one.

>>212998346
MoS looked good visually but this felt more like Superman from the comics. If Snyder's movie is supposed to be an epic, this is more like a feelgood type of movie, so it depends on what you're into, but I think it's solid.

>>212998191
When he spins around right? Yeah that was neat. Snyder actually had a Superman moment too, when he came back to fight Steppenwolf, but that was so rare in his movies. Here it was every time he did anything, including saving that fucking squirrel. He gets his ass kicked a lot too but that helped ground him a bit, otherwise it would be boring.

>>212992487 (OP)
Not great. Its good. 7/10. 3 stars.

>>212998346
Character wise yes, but Snyder Superman is more badass

>>212998346
Objectively yes
Like MoS is peak bleakness with the suicidal pa kent and Superman losing his killing virginity

>>212998535
#Badass
#Epic
#Bacon
#SuperShit

>>212998346
imo, yes. Snyder should've just done Batman, or better yet, Affleck should've just directed it. MoS has cool moments but this a topical, uplifting Superman that was refreshing to see. It leans into the boyscout angle and makes it appealing which is not easy to do.

>>212998456
>otherwise it would be boring.
Yep, I found Snyder fights very fucking boring because he never took any damage when Kryptonite wasn't involved (and a nuke). He and Zod were punching each other fruitlessly. A sick combo Zod unleashes on Superman does nothing and vice versa, and this continued even with fucking Doomsday. Here he was on the ropes but it was another Kryptonians autistically programmed to counter his moves and as soon as that lifeline was gone he mogged - that and a very high-tier metahuman and high-tier metahumans SHOULD give the likes of Superman, Wonder Woman, etc. a challenge else why fucking have them around?

>>212992487 (OP)
>It was great.
actually liking Gunn-slop
weak

>>212997601
This. Fight scenes in this where fun and innovative versus typical Superman fight of him punching bad guy, they go flying, they come flying back and tackle him

>>212998346
Snyderman has better CGI but Gunnman is what pic related means when he says Superman. So it depends whether you prefer just spectacle or care more for the character himself.

>>212998494
How the fuck is a 7 not great? A 5 is average you fuckin idiot.

MoS = hopeful and epic, in inspired a generation.
Gunnjeeterman = iconoclasm at its height, nothing more than a vile hit job on what came before that reduced a cultural icon elevated to new heights by Snyder a joke

Contrarian bad actors will always stretch the truth.
You're not deceiving anyone, you lying OP shill.

Also
>le murderman
3-5 sharty posters, or samefag, that shit isnt organic at all, its so obvious

>>212998788
>the silly meme that makes snyderman into darkeid and darkseid/zod into a noble hero will somehow help 25's box office. it's all a conspiracy

>>212998787
>hopeful
Lol fuck no. It was epic sure, but this is way more hopeful and it's not even close. Go to bed, Perry White or Armond White or whatever your name was.

>>212998788
Thank you, human filth. You shall be a house slave - I shall spare you from the mines the other slaves toil in endlessly.

>>212998824
>Lol fuck no.
Gunnjeet psyop, it's so fucking transparent

It was absolutely shit
>Superman is a useless faggot
>Marvel quips every. fucking. where. Ruining every tense moment or anything
>muh shitskins
>Lex motivation absolutely fucking sucks.
>Lex is capable of making an alternative universe, but cares about fucking Earth. That's like a human caring about a little ant. The whole plot of the movie doesn't make sense

nobody cares about mos

>>212998844
Stop fucking posting stuff like this. Jesus fuck.
>>212998902
Horse. Fucking. Shit. It's one of the most iconic films of the 2010s.

>>212998813
now you're putting words into my mouth, Im not saying the same.

As we see in current year, its not always one sect of people, it can be horseshoe, easily. See the VISA shit on /v/.

>>212998844
Go get a job zoom zoom.

>>212998844
Enslave them all, Clark. Bend them over your knee and break their spines like they taught me in Pena Duro prison in Santa Prisca.

>>212998920
it's time to let go lil bro

>>212998873
Bro, Snyderman is a Calvin Klein commercial of some dude in Superman clothes, come on.

>>212998932
>GET AWAY FROM **MY** ANTI-LIFE, DARKSEID! YOU WILL NOT DESTROY MY GREAT PRIZE!!

>>212998902
>i samefagged again, mom

Just watched it, and I enjoyed it. Did feel kinda silly in how literally no one dies but Mali, but I guess they wanted to avoid another MoS situation.

>>212998966
WELL I'M A PARTY POOPER YES I AM

>>212998970
>>212998966
EPIC
EPIC FOR THE WIN XD
JAMES GUNN WILL BE SO PROUD OF ME XD

>>212992487 (OP)
it's decent

what they got right was the Superman character, it's a Superman people will want to see in a sequel or other movies, as a cleanser and brand repair to the character

the flick was a major success

>>212998965
>confront the mass murdering genocidal warlord in the ruins of the city centre he destroyed that killed thousands
>he is clearly about to lose his shit the deeper he gets into his bitter monologue
>stare at him like this the whole time - this is the extent of your emtional response when facing this murderer who's clearly amping himself up for a battle

>>212999002
Gunn couldn't come up with something this funny. Although that line about cats recognizing their owners' voices was up there.

>>212998682
I don’t agree Snyder has better CGI Oldest trick in the book to hide sketchy FX is to make it dark. His movie is dark with ugly blue filters. Gunn’s movie is entirely in daylight and very bright. CGI is going to stand out more. But Gunn isn’t about muh realism.

>>212993263
>Proton River scene while he was holding the miscegenation baby.
he's still suffering from Kryptonite poisoning in that scene and he's tanking a river of anti-matter while holding back

superman 2025 is a good superman movie
MoS is a good dragon ball movie

>>212998998
>>212999002
Tbh seeing it genuinely anger you guys is a decent part of the appeal of murdermanposting

>>212999048
That is also true. I think pound for pound, Snyder could probably adapt a comic panel into live action better, but he's fundamentally a music video director to me.
Superman '25 has the makings of a classic like those Lucas/Spielberg flicks from the 80s. We just live in a more cynical society now but that's part of what the movie critiques which I liked.

>>212998226
this and Last Son for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkeLGnAr36A

>>212998970
>Murderman, I am an Ambassador for Peace and a member of the Blue Lantern Corps. I was sent by Darkseid and the Guardians to talk some reason into you. You've lost your way, my son.

>>212999055
This guy gets it. Just give Snyder DBZ, make it a direct adaptation and cut out all the filler shit and you've got yourself a decent flick.

it was dogshit. parts of it felt like a recap episode made of clips and worst of all, it just looked really cheap.

>>212999102
>cough cough
>pukes up blood
Darkseid... I have failed you my friend... he didn't listen... please forgive me... I will become one with the Source soon.

>>212999102
Now that the dust has settled, it's time to admit Steppenwolf was the best thing about ZSJL. It's a shame he died so miserably.

>>212992487 (OP)
I watched 10 mins of it and had to stop, what a turd. No wonder jeets like it.

>>212999170
Yeah, like I am not huge on Snyderverse movies but at least how he and Desaad referenced their past the way two guys who lived through it would rather than going into lengthy exposition. You get that he was in on the coup before feeling guilty and going back to Darkseid's camp before shit went down

>>212999060
It didn't anger me, I'm singing Murderman's theme song. I think the most accurate way to summarize MoS is that it's a canon movie in that Gunnverse that Superboy Prime watches and scolds Gunnman that he can't be as cool.

>>212992487 (OP)
the superman action in this movie was better than anything in snyder's "superman" trilogy

>>212999170
yes, in that he was one of the few characters with charm which was likely unintentional

>>212998966
>>212998970
kek

>>212999145
I love this lil nigga. Murderman and his psychotic lasso spinning accomplice must pay for their crimes.

>>212999259
Cavillman I think could have been good to watch had he been a new or different DC character. He's an overly laconic, emotionally inconsistent, brooding, edgy prick that you'd never feel fully safe and reassured by being wrong. Fine for an OC but all wrong for Superman because it's a fools errand to expect people to simply forget about the cultural icon that is Superman, precluding instances that's a radically different elseworld story like he's raised in the USSR, he's a government lab rat, etc, etc.

>>212998226
>>212999093
the remix of the original theme should've only been used once and it should've obviously been when he took down lex's army

>>212998703
7 is pretty good. it goes 5 = mediocre, 6 = okay, 7 = pretty good, 8 = good, 9 = great 10 = amazing

>>212999321
Killing the noble General Zod was the straw that broke's the camels back - it marked the moment when the insurgency began in earnest

>>212999359
>I failed him in life. I won't fail him in death.

>>212996092
I like MoS but it doesn't have that heart that's required from a Superman flick. It's a sci fi movie about a benelovent alien gigachad having some DBZ fights.
nuPerman is right off the pages of the comics, having a kaiju fight and ensuring not a single person is harmed despite the creature being a lot more massive than Zod.

>>212998970
>*Darkseid is coming to Earth*
>*hopeful music swells in the background*
>"He's found us, and he's coming!"

>>212992540
Snyder is a hack but his take was still infinitely better than this awful Gunnslop

>>212999088
I don’t know because he rarely ever films anything in full daylight without massive filters. Even 300 was full filters. What would the Doomsday fight look like if it was in full bright daylight

>>212998966
>a mega fuckton of Superman being evil/murderous imagery in the Snyder movies
>even in images where he's being heroic like fighting Doomsday he still looks scarier than Zod ever did
Kek

>>212998970
>You don't seem to understand, earth isn't yours to save

>>212999439
That's like the worst of both worlds to have as an opinion. Snyder is good when he does direct adaptations without changing anything, like in 300. It's clear he's a Miller fanboy, and wanted to adapt TDKR, so he should've just done that instead, and not complain that he'll never get to make it now on Rogan's podcast.
Gunn's Superman is unique in some ways but the core of the character is accurate to the comics. He's inspiring and hopeful whereas Snyderman just made a decent Gillette commercial with some dude who looks like Superman.

>>212999465
>hahaa... it's okay mister superman, my dad can get the kitty out of the tree... mister? please stop flying towards us...

>>212999439
They're both B-tier directors and one is good with making badass edgelord shit while the other is better in adding humanity and humor to his characters. People are overthinking this debate and it ultimately doesn't matter which one you prefer, it's blockbuster cinema.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyVNEL0M6is

>>212993440
>>212993440
>Behold With this land I laid waste to the slaves shall toil endlessly to construct an edifice worthy of my majesty and perfection. I shall bring untold millions here like cattle where their blood shall form my moat. And at the foot of my throne you shall sit, the first and foremost of my concubine slaves. Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

>>212992540
Snyderfaggots don't like Superman, they like a human actionfigure

>Batman: Clark, why do you have DIE HUMANS DIE lasered on your chest?
>Murderman: Nooooo, that's German. For THE HUMANS THE!

>>212999699
lmao

>>212998966
>Good luck with that

>>212999781
Now we're talking. Zodville when? Snyder cameo to exclusive direct scenes featuring Zodville when?

>>212999837
exclusively*

>>212999837
Gunn and Zack co-directing a movie would result in a Lynchian mangled abomination of a film with more tonal inconsistency than Kindergarten Cop, but I would be curious to watch it.

>>212999881
I don't think they're that far apart at all times. Gunn is just glam metal while Zack is doom metal. And Zack is better suited for shit like the Punisher, not so much Superman.

>General Diana, I've freed up all the soldiers that were guarding the camps to aid you in your campaign against the insurgency. This will really mess with Darkseid's plans
>KAL-EL NO! We have millions of prisoners that must be watched, and millions more that need to be executed!
>Fear not, General. Like any good ruler, I've made a few alliances. I have, therefore, been able to outsource guard and execution duty to our new friends. Ah here they come now. Welcome to Earth, Lord Megatron.

>>212999781
>AND WHO ARE YOU??

>>212999995
>Just another man tired of you

>>212999995
WELL I'M A PUNK ROCKER YES I AM

>>213000045
W-why does your chest symbol look like... mine?

>>213000070
>Snyderverse Faora looks like that? ZAMN

>>213000078
>on my world it means rape, so don't tempt me

>>213000095
THIS IS MY WORLD MR ANDERSON, MY WORLD

>>213000111
>This CAN'T be happening! I'M IN CHARGE HERE!!

>>212992549
More like the rest of the world isnt a bunch of sissy numales like Americans who are going to tolerate dumbass shit like Supergirl or Superdog.
They want superhero movies to be cool and epic, not the cinematic equivalent of a Live, Love, Laugh poster.

I think the last superhero movie that wasn't lame as fuck and had good action was X-Men Days of Future Past.

>UK, Japan, China, France, and India don't have silly as fuck native IPs
lol, really anon?

>>213000163
JamesGunnMan still had cool shit in it. Mr Terrific, Guy Gardner, hell, even Superman at times. It's just a more fun flick with more levity in it and the characters didn't look constipated.

This thread proves you need to be severely mentally ill to swallow capeshit.
No wonder only Amerimutts watch them, the country where people compete over who needs more daily meds.

>>213000111
Small aside, be kind of cool where when Reverse Flash shows up this happens to his costume - it gets filthy and more torn the longer the movies gones on. It's a basic bitch 'oh it reflects how ugly he is on the inside!' thing but it would be cool having this frothing-at-the-mouth maniac look even more unhinged and desperate with his gear looking FUBAR

>>213000215
t. rube who can't allow himself to experience fun

>>213000199
Not ones that feel like they are made by millennial women who call themselves "pet parents".

>>213000230
Yes American, mediocre flicks with terrible action scenes and videogame tier computer effects starring people in clown costumes are really fun.
Now go buy some more funko pops and playing Pokemon.

>>212995488
Says the faggot wasting time on 4chan.

>>213000271
I'm not american and in my country you'd probably be mistaken for a woman just walking down the street, i'm simply not allergic to fun, especially in lieu of how genuinely short life is

>>213000203
No it didnt, not a single superhero movie in the past decade has had anything cool.
The costumes are increasingly stupid, the villains are increasingly non-threatening, the soundtracks are forgettable and the action scenes are just awful.

>>213000296
Whatever you say, American, keep having fun with your juvenile fantasies while the rest of the world focuses on real life.

>>212994874
I'm gonna miss this nigga being the primary Lantern when Hal and his buddy show up

>>213000334
>real life
real life like 4chan? the only difference between you and me is that i'm not pretending i'm doing something important with my time right now

>>212999781
>too many lazors giv sunburnz
this is so beyond retarded, literally Gunn bullshit "humor"

>>213000311
>No it didnt, not a single superhero movie in the past decade has had anything cool.
What's cool about Superman is that he's uncool. But he's the guy who gets you home safe instead of the cool kids who get you drunk so you can crash your car in a fiery blaze half an hour later.

>>213000347
No, I'm talking on a global scale.
It's hilarious seeing Americans spouting "be nice and help people" because of this movie when all the USA does is spread war around the planet.
As always, americans are all talk.

>>213000352
That's not why his eyes are like that. Ultraman shot his own lasers into his eyes.

>>213000373
What the hell are you talking about? It's a superhero movie, I watch them to see the superheroes kick the ass of villains in a cool way.

>>212999837
Any really good Zod comic stories? Preferably ones where he has the whole black hair and bearded look

>>213000384
again, i'm not american
>be nice and help people
nothing wrong with that, the fact that it's become controversial to say that is a strong suit of the movie because it critiques this idea
> all the USA does is spread war around the planet
this is addressed and criticized in the movie

>>213000352
the clone point blank lasered his eyes for like a minute, it's pretty impressive all it did was leave a mark, healed like 10 minutes later

>>212998703
Great is 8 or 9. 6 and 7 are good. 5 is mid. 4 is bad. 3 is awful.

>>213000419
>What the hell are you talking about?
Who Superman is as a character. He's not concerned with being cool, he's concerned with being reliable. Watch Superman vs the Elite and you'll get it.

>>213000400
so he lost again,
like he does during the whole fucking movie?
who saved him that time, Gunn's FUCKING MUTT DOG?

>>213000384
There's a pretty obvious critique of the US but more so Israel in the movie

>>213000435
It's not that it's controversial, its just people are laughing at this toddler-tier naivety being spouted by the manchild country, while the rest of the planet lives on planet Earth where there's people who simply need to be destroyed.

>>213000481
Lex has always had better iq than superman, he used the dog to take out the cameras, once lex couldn't command the clone superman beat his ass within a minute

>>213000481
I'm not brown so the dog didn't bother me, but yes, it helps. It doesn't directly save anyone.

>>213000481
>Gunn's FUCKING MUTT DOG?
In a manner of speaking. Clone has him pinned down, he taunts with Lex with "mind over muscle" and calls Krypto who tackles Ultraman. Ultraman only fight mogs because he's been autistically programmed by Lex to counter every single one of Superman's fighting moves and it observed on cameras. Superman has the dog destroy the cameras and one the clone loses that lifeline, Superman kicks the shit out of him 1v1

>>213000468
And that's why Superman, no matter the iteration, is the blandest, most boring superhero of all.

>>212999781
>not emprassed

>>213000515
>It's not that it's controversial
it objectively is though

>>213000504
No there isn't, if there was then Superman would be fighting the USA.

>>213000481
>so he lost again
but he won? not like snyder and pajeets that lost and lost again with rebel slop

>>213000571
What's controversial is how much of a bunch of manchildren americans have become.

>>213000546
That's what being a superhero means. I think you're just more interested in visual spectacle which is different. A serial killer dispatching people in fashionable ways can scratch that itch too.

>>213000551
>My lord... Steppenwolf failed on his peace mission. The Man of Murder was so unrelenting and vicious that Steppenwolf even used his purely ceremonial axe as a last resort. I... I am sorry my friend. I know how close you two were, as uncle and nephew. Lex and the Batman were able to get his body and are sending it back to us for funeral rites.

>DCfags try for 1000th time to pretend Superman is not boring as shit
Its like the DC version of Fantastic 4 fans.
You will never convince anyone to like the superhero equivalent of an unseasoned salad.

>>213000551
>emprassed

>>212998902
i do sir

>>213000610
you're just proving the point of the movie which makes it effective in its message and have a direct real world weigh to it
it's like inside out 1 and 2, they're downright children's movies but within them they're coded with everything the human psyche encompasses, being an analogy

>>213000620
Being bland is what it means to be a superhero? And yes, these movies should be visual spectacles and have the most spectacular action scenes without counting sci-fi.
Instead its like they are one step away from having the main character look at the screen and remind people to eat their veggies.

>>213000665
>you're just proving the point of the movie
How exactly?

>>213000644
The "boringness" is part of the appeal. He's a hopelessly optimistic person who had a regular life, despite being easily able to take over the world. That's what makes him a hero. A villain can be cooler than a hero on a surface level but their actions are destructive to humanity.

>>213000665
There's no point to this movie, its a generic superhero flick meant to start a franchise in order to sell toys.
American cinema has no message anymore, their movies might as well be made by AI.

>>213000705
that being nice and helping people is a controversial stance to take

>>213000724
No its not, Luke Skywalker was also optimistic and hopeful and wasn't as boring as this guy.

i am glad the era of cynism is over

>>213000680
>Being bland is what it means to be a superhero?
In a world where traditional Superheroes are a thing of the past, are lambasted, and made fun of as being cliched, yes, being "bland" is the way to avoid being bland and actually coming across as fresh.

>>213000750
No, controversy is when people disagree on it.
This is the equivalent of going into a meeting between Putin and Zelensky and going
>make love, not war
What, you think a generic statement about being nice is going to do anything?

>>213000765
it's clearly not, given how much the opposite makes people seethe, as seen itt

>>213000775
This is the kind of thing that I'm sure sounded good in your head but doesn't make any sense.

>>213000759
That's up for debate. Vader is a quintillion times cooler than Luke ever was or ever will be. He's also the villain. Being a hero, in fiction or in real life isn't always the "cool" thing to do, but heroes aren't concerned with that, they just do what's right.

>>213000826
It's just based on reality. There have been more "what if Superman but evil" adaptations in the last few years than proper ones. Because people are in it for the shock value and the kinetic acts of lasering people in half. You're interested more in style over substance, not the content of a character.

>>213000765
Yes American, a movie is going to make people stop being cynical.
At least for about 5 minutes until they see the news and see politicians lying, ruining their countries via demlgraphic replacement and witnessing in real time the beginning of a new Cold War.

>>213000886
you're completely right, we should all just give up, it's over forever

>>213000885
No its just if I want something with substance I watch something else.
And if the most substance a superhero movie can have is "be nice" then nah, losing the spectacle is absolutely not worth it.

>>213000804
it's a generic statement that people disagree with, and that's what makes it controversial
obviously if politicians held it to heart they wouldn't be screwing people over

>>213000836
>Vader is a quintillion times cooler than Luke ever was or ever will be
No he's not.

>Being a hero, in fiction or in real life isn't always the "cool" thing to do
That's entirely the writer's fault though.

>>213000923
What messaging do film with substance usually have from your perspective? What do they teach you?

>>213000908
No, just face reality and deal with it.
Losing yourself in juvenile fantasies does nothing.

>>213000950
>No he's not.
And you're the one acting like authority on what cool is? Lmao
>That's entirely the writer's fault though.
No retard, it's a fact of life. Not drinking when everyone else is IS uncool and lame. And it's also what makes you the proverbial hero when people need to get home safely and you're behind the steering wheel.

>>213000974
>comes to board centered entirely around fiction and bitches about fiction
what have you done in the real world that is of any value to anyone? with this kind of self-importance it should be something of considerable magnitude

>>213000991
Yes, Vader never did anything cool, and his helmet always looked silly.

>No retard, it's a fact of life
And I absolutely disagree, it's actually hard to have a guy dedicated to kicking the ass of bad guys uncool, unless you make terrible action scenes or make the hero some insufferable quipster.

>>213001056
Vader is a walking cyborg death machine sorcerer. He's infinitely cooler than some twink who was taught to do backflips by a muppet. Does this mean he's a better person than Luke? No, obviously Luke helps him regain his humanity. Being a hero isn't exclusively about being cool.
Zod is cooler than Superman too.

It was fun.

>>213001095
And Vader is also stuck on a silly costume and, as shown, can't even fight properly.
And his talk about the Force is limited to showing him choking an officer two times.
Then turns out he acts submissive towards and old decreñit guy, and to top it off he gets his ass kicked by Luke the moment he stopped holding back.

I think Vader being considered cool is s great example of a meme, not the internet type, but the original meaning.

>>213001227
The old decrepit guy, both in the movies and extended canon, is more powerful than Luke and could easily have killed him, had he not been saved by Vader. If you read pic rel for example, both of them do shit in the book that farmboy Luke wouldn't be able to pull off ever. They make hordes of Acklay (the giant insect in the arena in Ep. 2) explode with mere gestures.
Luke will never have a moment as cool as this. What makes him cool is that he's a good person. That's what makes Superman cool too. Modern media likes to shit on this idea by having Luke nearly murder his own flesh and blood, and make constant evil iterations of Superman.

fun thread desu

>>212999145
man I forgot how fucking ugly this nigga was

>>213001369
If you are going by the EU then you'd know that Luke does end up becoming far more powerful than the Emperor.

And he does have his cool moments, like the ones where he uses Force Oneness.
Seeing him go from working a farm, to defeating Vader to leading the Jedi Order was cool too.
The Luke in the sequels isnt cool, he's a weak loser who does nothing at all.

>>213001227
Vader isn't as nimble in the OT because the tech was more limited at the time. He hunted down and killed all Jedi who survived Order 66 so he actually is a pretty serious threat.

>>213001408
t. murderman
you will pay for what you did to our boy steppen

>>213001485
It's not like current movies have made him look any better, though that's more on Disney's inability to making anything even remotely good with Star Wars.

I stand by the fact that neither DC nor Marvel have a single good villain.
Nor a costume that doesn't look dumb.

>>213001557
He's done more impressive shit in the newer tv shows. That in itself is fine but when the writing isn't there, it doesn't matter. This goes along with what I was saying. You can have a character do some cool shit but if they're an asshole with awful motivations, it won't matter. Superman occasionally does cool shit but what matters more is that he's a good person. Saving a pet from a tree isn't cool but it's a kind gesture and that's what Superman is about.

>>213001578
Off the top of my head, Ledger Joker and Molina Doc Ock were good. Dafoe Green Goblin was also good. Zod was good.

>>213001578
I'd hardly call him a villain but..

>>213001578
Bullseye is a great villain if done right. Super entertaining/charming and also menacing and batshit insane.

>>212992755
based