Thread 213017236

He's right. I think.

>>213017236 (OP)
No way man I’ve already got the right answer about everything I haven’t heard of or read anything about, I know it’s bad if it’s scary or I hate it, no I haven’t heard of the subject until you brought it up, and I only assume the worst even though no specific subject was given

>>213017236 (OP)
Damn he’s right. I’m fully ready to accept trannies in children’s cartoons now. In fact don’t even bother with the cartoon pretense let’s just show them hardcore tranny porn.

>>213017419
Called out by first post

>>213017236 (OP)
>sometimes being made uncomfortable is the point
i mean he's right. horrible, garbage art exists lol

>he doesn't find being made uncomfortable to be entertaining
obviously not a 4chan user

>>213017511
>>213017419
You jump to negative conclusions but in any other conversation where the concept is introduced more directly in your favor, you’d be talking about how epically heartbreaking Red Dawn or some movie like that is, probably even saying leftists can’t handle anything more than flattery and circus

>>213017535
4chan users be like ‘fuck you trans pervert discomfort is demoralization, me and my friends only stared into a jpeg of a man’s asshole as a challenge when we were 11’

Blue Velvet was a bit too wacky to make me feel uncomfortable. It was almost like a comedy sometimes

>>213017535
modern life is too uncomfortable
entertainment/escapism should not be more misery
unless you're some kind of soulless demon infested brownoid who is into that sort of perpetual suffering

>>213017575
you're creating some imaginary guy to get mad at. i like red dawn but it's a cheesefest, pure schlock with some nice moments at best. that's the problem with people like you. you can't just admit you like shitty things. usually it's because you lack a personality so you make 'liking movies' or products your personality, and thus when some of them are insulted you yourself take it too personally and chimp out. you're a pseud/midwit, the only types of people i never get along with.

>>213017629
Again, consider he might be talking about a movie you like. You have movies like this you like

>>213017647
You’re telling me there is no movie you like that includes discomfort or a socially challenging message you agree with? I just don’t believe you. There are tough movies with points you agree with, you know that

>>213017654
name three movies I like. I'll wait.

>>213017236 (OP)
me when i watch any early 00s comedy flick

>>213017676
Master and Commander
Blade Runner 2077
Cinderella Man

>>213017647
Are you autistic? He brought that movie up as an example but you're focusing on it as if that example is the point.
Surely you understood what was meant and aren't a total sperg right?

>>213017236 (OP)
Blue Velvet made this retard uncomfortable? It's not even remotely disturbing. And anything disturbing that does occur operates on dream logic so you don't feel disturbed because as the viewer you are clearly disconnected from the action. The whole film seemed like it tried its best to disasscioate you from what was happening intentionally so you didn't find it disturbing. Retard.

>>213017673
that's not what i'm saying at all, you seem to have a hard time with reading comprehension.
>>213017712
i didn't do that at all, i think you're samefagging because you just keep misunderstanding like a retard lol

>>213017727
You’re being contrarian, someone expressing discomfort doesn’t mean it has to be the most suicide-inducing idea in the world

>>213017747
>that's not what i'm saying at all, you seem to have a hard time with reading comprehension.
You assume that me saying there are probably transgressive movies you enjoy, means I only enjoy shit? How does that follow?

>>213017727
He said uncomfortable. Then you changed it to disturbing. And you're crying about how it's not disturbing. No one said it's disturbing you fucking retard.

>>213017727
anon its an empty and safe platitude to say . "art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable" only resonates with sub 90 iq tards which is why the tweet in OPs post garnered 100k likes

>>213017647
The death of the female guerillas and portrayal of the loss of childhood and regular life as a sacrifice of resistance during occupation was heartbreaking and impactful

>>213017782
you're a hypocrite and think that me saying you can't admit to liking shit means that i only like good movies or something. which is what you accused others of doing in an earlier post, "jumping to negative conclusions". you're just projection city, man

>>213017236 (OP)
This is why Joker 2 is kino, by the way.

>>213017236 (OP)
>uncomfortable = cramming garbage down your throat

Tell me the name of one movie that is about making woke leftists "uncomfortable".

I'll wait.

>>213017822
How am I hypocrite for saying there is a wide enough spread of transgressive theme and media, that there are probably transgressive movies that are right up your alley? Who do you think I am anyways but some guy who recommends not saying something stupid out of political bias?

He probably thinks some piece of Hollywood shit like Get Out is "uncomfortable" because it "confronts" him with his "unearned white privilege" or some other retarded shit bozos like him believe.

>>213017880
Eddington

>>213017880
Passion of the Christ, in the past and occasionally even now, is one of them. Any of the movies this board is constantly enjoying watching leftists go into hysteria over

>>213017236 (OP)
>whines about nerds
>is a nerd
hmm curious

>>213017236 (OP)
>sometimes being made uncomfortable is the point
>unless it makes anyone except straight white males uncomfortable then that’s not allowed!

>>213017747
>i didn't do that at all
You did, the original reply said
>in any other conversation where the concept is introduced more directly in your favor, you’d be talking about how epic
and when Red dawn was used as an example, you focused on that being the point rather than the statement above of, "thing that I agree with"

Not being able to engage with examples or hypotheticals and taking them to be the point themselves rather than the surrounding context IS a sign of autism

If some said
>do you like comedy movies, such as hangover or pineapple express
and you only focus on
>hangover or pineapple express
rather than
>comedy movies
you've missed the point of the statement, the examples exist to enhance, even if they don't do that, the point still stands

>>213017629
>Entertainment/escapism

Yeah you can keep that gay cope shit, I want art.

>My wife so bad I need watch films instead of fixing it

>>213017236 (OP)
No he isn't. Art is objective and it's meant to convey beauty which is again objective.

>>213017654
Yeah but if you like a movie, then it's not making you uncomfortable.

>>213017676
Shrek 2
Elmo in Grouchland
Suspiria

>>213017236 (OP)
I dropped shrooms and watched Blue Velvet for the first time ever last month. I honestly felt like I was in the closet with Jeffrey. Left me unsettled for days. 10/10 would not recommend.

>>213017965
i used red dawn as a launchpad to address the greater/broader ' shitty movies ' in that post. you were the one that failed to follow me in that train of thought. you got stuck at red dawn, not me, because, again, you're a midwit. it's frustrating to speak with people like you who can't keep up with the simplest of conversations.

>>213018017
>Elmo in Grouchland
What an epic tale of defeating the Jew. Mandatory watching to give youngsters a healthy fear of the long nosed tribe.

>>213017847
Joker 2 is too smart for general audience (tv included). You have to avoid self-inserting as Arthur fleck and instead just watch the movie for his story, which midwits simply cannot do. Everyone thinks their a temporarily embarrassed Joker, when really you're the three guys on the train.

You guys really have no sense of analysis or evaluating what’s real when you think a leftist is around, or even hinted at. You’re usually so bright and receptive to all these different great movies, many of you have 3x3s of them, but if what feels like liberalism is any part of the conversation, you lose your seeing abilities and delude yourself you must only be the core opposite of the very regular idea that was mentioned

>>213018012
That’s a semantic argument and an incorrect one. Enjoy is not only an antonym of discomfort. To keep it simple, ‘I like how much this sucks’. You can only be in a depressive mood enjoying validation from a movie that asserts discomfort ypu feel you are privy to

>>213017935
No doubt, Simon Pegg has made a career out of appearing in escapist slop. Shaun of the Dead came out in 2004, it has been 25 years of slop.

>>213018053
>midwit
Someone of middling intellect would be able to keep up with the conversation you are having. Don't you just mean he's an idiot?

>>213018062
Great set design too.

FUCK THAT SHIT
PABST BLUE RIBBON

>>213017676
Poopy Fuckface Goes to Rapeville (1971)
Bask In Robert’s Sun (2011)
Barbie (2024)

Blue Velvet for the boys. Lost Highway for the men.

>>213018053
Your point of ‘you only watch shitty movies’ is a total non sequitur that followed from nothing. All I said was that if people assume what he’s talking about must only be degenerate or political re-education movies (several users in this thread continue to do this), then consider how certain movies you DO love meet his definition. It’s a fairly innocuous point and even if it wasn’t a fair reply to your post, surely you can see my point and also where I might have detected negativity in your post. If it doesn’t apply to you, then forget it

>>213018130
true true

>>213017629
>unless you're some kind of soulless demon infested brownoid who is into that sort of perpetual suffering
So is this why The Terrifier movies are so popular in India?

>>213018053
When did I say shitty movies? I said good movies that are transgressive or discomforting

>>213018129
Shaun of the dead is not escapism, it's a satirical comedy. I would respect you more if you I served some intellectual honesty, unless you enjoy fighting ghosts

>>213018220
>>213018272
here go watch something more your speed

>>213017236 (OP)
Making people uncomfortable is easy as fuck and it has no value. It takes talent to entertain people.
Anyone can go take a shit on someone's car and make them uncomfortable.
Try telling a joke that someone laughs at genuinely and not because they feel bad for you.

>>213018326
Bullshit double standards. You like it therefore it aint slop. Go make a two hour video essay about it.

>>213018110
English please.

>>213018352
Usually when people say they like movies that make people uncomfortable, they really mean they like movies that make OTHER people uncomfortable.

>>213018405
It's definitively NOT slop, you ignorant fucker. But you weren't old enough to appreciate in the context of its release or cinema as a whole, and you still can't now because you're a politically-activated cretin using film as a cudgel for your own personal failures. I suffer you NOT.

>>213017236 (OP)
Neither of those statements connect to each other.
>Sometimes entertainment is an overrated function of art
>Sometimes being made uncomfortable is the point.
Words that don't really mean anything and he couldn't even commit to it, "Sometimes"

He's also implying entertainment is the function of art.
It isn't.

>>213018351
What about my posts has ever implied I could only be a watcher of shitty movies? I’m not even saying I’m some genius movie watcher, I just don’t see how that follows

>>213018480
>Let me strip away the meaning of words he selected specifically so I bend his speech to serve my agenda

Embarrassing. Can't even argue merit from the perspective of film, you have to attack the man because in reality, you are as stupid as he is.

>>213018476
I said something bad about one of your favorite movies and now you are reeeing. Shaun of the Dead is escapist slop like any other.

>>213018415
You can like something because it’s nasty or find its message beautiful specifically because it deals in the profane

>"art should make you uncomfortable chud"
>watches a comedy movie made before 2010
>"ummm... yikes much?"

>>213018571
I-its slop because I don't like it and I was pissing my diaper when it was culturally relevant! All the 30 second clips I see on tiktok that are preceded and followed by equal length ads aren't funny, hardly anyone screams

>>213018581
but that's not the same as it making you uncomfortable.

>>213017236 (OP)
Like how these are the same type of people who would flip their shit if someone said heil hitler or faggots reproduce by molestation

They only want others to be uncomfortable by attacking traditional beliefs, their "progressive " beliefs are pff limits

being made uncomfortable is a fine line to ride
is it an abyss of endless worlds or was being entertained the catalyst of inspiration in the Journey

Don't make me fucking think you weirdo creep just confirm my emotions ! It's not hard !!

>>213018718
Cringe.

>>213017236 (OP)
Does anyone ever pick a fun or good movie in that room?

>>213018571
You have yet to display a single IQ in your digestion of film. Thereby I'm going to ignore you because your opinion is actually worthless, and you are antagonist because you think this is a fight to win. Wash your ass, get a life.

>>213018778
You will never be a real woman.

>>213017847
>erm Joker 2 is actually and I like seeing men get raped
okay fag

>>213018778
Cringe is a symptom of being uncomfortable. Checkmate

>>213018783
A few that stick out to me;

Hideo Kojima picked exclusively Jap cinema, very well spoken episode
Viggo Mortenson picked ONLY westerns, and no one else ever does
Coppola's taught me a lot about him

A thing to note in nearly everyone picks a David Lynch; even if they don't like his style everyone respects him immensely.

>>213017419
Why shouldn't trannies be in children's cartoons?

>>213018771
even the toys soiface

this isn't some kind of libtard message you fucking dumbasses. he's just saying that a lot of people just want feel good circus shit when it comes to movies and anything challenging, sad, etc is written off. This is a very common normie take. My mom is like this. She's told me so many times a movie is "too sad" and I've had friends with the same dumbass opinion. Normies literally self insert themselves like this and think sad or cringe or depressing stories are attacking them personally. This is why now all movies in the theater are basically circus acts on screen.

>>213018806
You are not Joker. You are not Arthur Fleck. You are a normal person screaming outside the court room.

>>213018864
Fair, good reply. Thanks.

>>213017236 (OP)
It really isn't though. I have enough problems in my life. Fuck you.

>>213017647
>>213017575
>>213017712
>>213017673
you're all gay faggot retards. movies are entertainment. if you're entertained by subversive material, or strange material, cool. The purpose is to be entertained, Shakepostfaggot is right, you're a pseud faggot retard if you think a movie is SUPPOSED to be make you feel uncomfortable, or that that's a laudable goal for the movie, simultaneously, you can be forced into discomfort by a movie for a good reason, and a good development. It's just gay and retarded to pretend I need to be like watching some guy gouging his eyes out on repeat to truly get film

>>213018661
>>213018794
You are still reeeing. Go spend 30 minutes in your squeeze machine to calm down.

>>213018887
>not re-educating your own mother on the merits of subversive cinema
for shame

>PABST
>BLUE
>RIBBON
OH MY GOOOOOOOOD SAVE ME IM UNCOMFORTABLEEEE

>>213018963
How much of a brainlet are you that you interpret every dissenting opinion as anger? do you think you somehow win by not refuting anything and not contributing to a conversation towards something you clearly have a unique opinion on?
Either you are unable to articulate it or are so egotistical you think your answer is infallible. Both cases you should wash your ass like the other anon said and stop being brainwashed into thinking everything is polarized

>>213018887
>self insert
Are you retarded? Jesus Christ, it's not a self-insert to find a story sad. If I see a guy's dog get run over it's still sad, even though it's not me, or my dog. Insane that you proved that you're more retarded than any movie-goer you can imagine, and write down.

This is why Ye's art is so powerful.

NHH

>>213017236 (OP)
>Yes anon, pay us to make you uncomfortable
No, I already get that at Thanksgiving Dinners or when I visit the local town library.

>>213019035
>REEEEEEEE
stay mad

>>213019090
ree, slop, stay mad
go back. Either reddit or sharty, it's painfully obvious you are trying to fit in and you never will. What a pathetic little life you must live

>>213018866
to say or heavily imply one is straight, trans, or gay is to inherently declare their sexuality, sexual orientation, and sexual preference. why are you discussing these topics with kids? this just doesn't have a place around children or in media for children. it's as simple as that and any claim otherwise is made in bad faith.

>>213017236 (OP)
He says stuff like this but my script for Nate Higgers, Nigger Killer" about a crazy white guy who kills innocent Black people as a metaphor for the dangers of MAGA racism, keeps getting rejected.

>>213018928
I think the limiter is that "fun" cinema usually doesn't have the subject matter that attracts Criterion. You'll never see PeeWees Big Adventure in there, as an example.

Here's there comedy list;
https://www.criterion.com/shop/browse?genre=comedy&srsltid=AfmBOoozgMHWAaoDU1J0PiOqSosHlESt7m6JOpKhldtnazXVjbPvKxwN

>>213019134
the definition of empathy is imagining yourself in someone else's situation and feeling their pain as if it's your own. the term "cringe" literally comes from a physical reflex to pain you get watching someone else hurt.

>>213018887
Media literacy is a leftist buzzword . Kill yourself.

>>213019173
>Baron Munchausen
That's my pick from Comedy right there

>>213017236 (OP)
Too many people equate being uncomfortable with being boring.

>>213018783
Almost everyone picks Being There which is pretty fun, a few people pick the Godzilla collections they have, but almost all the movies people pick are good, you're just kind of retarded

>>213017236 (OP)
He's a certified heineken drinker if he doesn't find Lynch entertaining

>>213017236 (OP)
Why do people find Blue Velvet to be an uncomfortable film? It's not even scary.

>>213018480
Wrong, bozo. He’s saying art isn’t just for fun (entertainment is an overrated function of art), because there is art that is not entertaining but is actually challenging or difficult for the viewer, emotionally or otherwise, that are great works of art.
You stupido

>>213019173
>I think the limiter is that "fun" cinema usually doesn't have the subject matter that attracts Criterion
They literally have Armageddon

>>213019321
eat a dick, it was a legit question, not every movie out there is an art one

>>213018681
Yes you can. Discomforting truths can be beautiful or simply real enough to mean something to you, like death for example is discomforting but very real and worthy to stay in discomfort of, as a form of awareness, truth-telling, and dedication

>>213018718
Yeah bro obviously he means be as gross and awful as possible. He definitely is implying these movies are just pulp about slurs and Hitler
Dumbass

>>213018864
>A thing to note in nearly everyone picks a David Lynch
Because they're pseuds trying to seem like film connoisseurs

>>213018887
This, this board is retarded

Cinema died at the end of the 90s.

>>213019421
what was the final cinema?

>>213018956
You can have either and both, dummy. Nobody said you’re not allowed to have Star Wars just because Stalker is so thoughtful

You guys are so fucking stupid and unable to think

>>213019336
Context. It was released in 1986, prior to much of the crime films you probably equate as its contemporaries.

>>213019498
Kamala lost.

>>213017236 (OP)
Wow what a fantastic non-cliche thought! I bet he think humour is only about punching up!

>>213019352
Which Ben Affleck actually picked; his episode was kinda fun in retrospect, he used his films to talk about his set experiences.

>>213019526
Why do you assume this shit about anyone who disagrees with you over the most minor unrelated shit

>>213019413
Most guests actually have pretty thought-out opinions. What I think makes Lynch unique is, much like Kubrick, he covered a vast array of subject matter with many different energies. So there is a David Lynch film for everyone, whether you like the morose character drama of Elephant Man, the surreal mystery of Blue Velvet, or you're a Hollywood-obsessed socialite and you prefer Mulholland Drive. There is an energy for all, even if they don't quite 'get' the film.

>>213019595
Because it's true. Only browns and leftists disagree with white men.

>>213019642
Then you’re the Kamala supporter because I’m white!

>>213019675
Leftists are not white.

>>213019642
Hey bro, can you kindly fuck off? You're shitting up the whole thread and nobody gives a fuck about what color you are, only that your goddamned annoying and wasting replies while we're trying to have genuine discussion. Please return to daily stormer where your opinions can be validated by sycophants.

>>213017236 (OP)
Simon Pegg is a manchild loser who has never lived in the real world and never been punched in the face. I wish he would die very soon from now. You're in the most commercial medium of "art", you fucking dunce. You're an artist. You're a Jewish goy whore.

>>213019437
that's literally my point you retarded faggot. It can exist, and be successful while also not being the point or drawing factor to film. retard faggot.

>>213019711
>Hey bro, can you kindly fuck off?
No.

>>213019762
It can exist and also for some movies be the drawing point, why wouldnt it be?

>>213019766
noone likes you. You will never fit in. Even on an anonymous imageboard everyone will immediately be able to sniff out you don't belong.

>>213019762
Nobody said it had to be uncut snuff you hyperbolic fuck

>>213019796
Nice try but the fastest moving threads on /tv/ usually mock your kind while praising mine. Your projections won't work here.

>>213019795
Yes, I go to McDonald's for Ice Cream, but that isn't the reason McDonald's exists, or it's overarching goal. How is every reply "WELL ACTUALLY I DON'T SPEAK OR READ EMGNGLISH GOOMD SO I DUN GET IT"

>>213019815
The OP is literally about entertainment being an overrated function of art. Please, stick to whatever boards you pakis normally post on like /a/

>>213019834
You are obsessed with fitting in. I've pointed that out twice in two separate reply chains now. Like I said you are so limited by your pea brain you can't even think for yourself. Give good criticism. Have faith in your opinions and don't just revert to the lowest level insults. Even now you will reply with something trite and banal. I am more racist than you. I am whiter than you. Chances are I am more right leaning than you. The difference is I don't make it my personality, and I certainly don't parrot what everyone else says or does in a desperate attempt to fit in with the very people I argue with.
Go back.

>>213019875
>food metaphor
There are great movies you watch specifically for a feeling of eerie mess or disquiet, even just to disturb yourself for fun, and they achieve what they set out to do. Also billions have gone to McDonald’s just for the ice cream and nothing else

>>213019498
Holy shit everyone, we got BTFO by this galaxy brain over here...

>>213019898
It's like you're trying to show me you can't read at all.
>Yes, I go to McDonald's for Ice Cream, but that isn't the reason McDonald's exists
THEY MAY GO FOR ICE CREAM BUT ICE CREAM IS NOT THE MAIN PURPOSE OR FUNCTION OF MCDONALD'S. It's like saying "eating a meal is an overrated function of food. sometimes the point is to taste something really nice" -- which, yes, sure, but the POINT of food is to eat for satiety.

>>213019892
>id it’s not entertainment it has to be uncut snuff
Consider documentaries

>>213019959
>thing nobody ever said even remotely
jesus christ Ranjit can you just get the fuck off of our board. I don't want to hear about your retarded paki outlook on not being able to read English sentences.

>>213019134
>to say or heavily imply one is straight — is to inherently declare their sexuality, sexual orientation, and sexual preference. why are you discussing these topics with kids?
So there shouldn't be film depictions of families with a mom and a dad?

>>213019989
>bad faith reply right on schedule
lmfao

>>213019955
There are movies whose main function is discomfort, and movies made for different reasons who individual audience members watch just for discomfort. Your choice to treat movies at large as one McDonald’s just so you can pretend only rhe artist’s intent matters (by proxy of the weak claim McDonald’s having other products means they don’t want to capture the market or people who only want ice cream), its just bunk man. For me, I just say there are great discomforting movies because I know it’s true

>>213019989
There should because that is normal and good unlike freakish genital mutilators and faggot ass fuckers

>>213019375
but there's a difference between being aware of something and liking it. Yes it's good to be aware of unpleasant things but that doesn't mean you like them, and if you're liking them then they're not that unpleasant to you.

>>213019896
>I've pointed that out twice in two separate reply chains now.
Imagine being so delusional that you think everyone you dislike is the same person.
>am more racist than you. I am whiter than you. Chances are I am more right leaning than you.
You are also a way bigger liar than me. The truth is that your candidate lost and Trump won. I am sorry but you can't change that.

>>213019976
You brought up eye gouging

>>213020040
THE ARGUMENT IS THAT ENTERTAINMENT IS AN OVERRATED FUNCTION OF MOVIES, NOT THAT MOVIES NEVER DISCOMFORT YOU. THE ARGUMENT IS THAT YOU SHOULD NOT SEEK TO BE ENTERTAINED IN A MOVIE. THAT IS RETARDED. THIS IS THE 5TH REPLY I'VE MADE REPEATING THE POINT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. TAKE SOME CAPS LOCK MAYBE YOU CAN READ BIGGER STICKS.

>>213020049
Right, that’s why he distinguishes between entertainment and art. But you can like something for making you aware of the grotesque or dark

>>213020073
Un Chien Andalou is literally one of the most famous experimental movies, that shows you literally what I described, and is shown in virtually every film class you'll take. Maybe you should just learn a single thing about what you're talking about instead of being a retarded faggot.

>>213020075
Pegg is saying he likes the dark parts more than the bright parts and that that’s a higher priority in art for him

>>213019892
>Please, stick to whatever boards you pakis normally post on like /a/
and /v/ and /co/ and even /tv/ oh wait...

>>213020111
Right, so that’s an example of a great movie that’s probably almost wholly discomforting, as you describe it

>>213020114
NO. HE IS SAYING WHAT HE SAID, THAT ENTERTAINMENT IS AN OVERRATED FACTOR OF FILM, AND SOMETIMES THE BEST FILMS AREN'T ENTERTAINING AND IN FACT JUST MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE. THE QUOTE IS LITERALLY IN THE OP YOU RETARDED FAGGOT.

>>213020067
again you go for lowbrow insults and when I flat out tell you I am on your side but not a retard like yourself you still can't process it. It's obvious you are the same poster that is how much you stick out, don't need to shit yourself over it. This conversation is on topic because you are unable to process dissenting opinions without polarizing your enemy into a straw man. You've yet to say a single thing of value or provided any sign of the ability to do so. Just empty parroted insults because you cannot articulate your opinions. Good luck, and remember no matter where you post people will be able to spot a braindead retard like yourself

>>213020122
It's not a great movie. It was groundbreaking, but not good. It's a mishmash of random shit for the purpose of being strange and conceptual. It's got no overarching purpose. It showing you that was specifically to make you feel discomfort. This isn't shown because it's "great", it's shown because it's one of the first of it's kind. That doesn't make it great, nor does it make it some higher kind of film.

>>213020133
Right, basically what I said he said, but I was more relativistic about it. He’s right though or at least in the context of an artistic appeal to depth and the importance of the dark in film

>>213020156
Okay, I’m just saying you can understand the importance of the grotesque or discomforting that he’s describing in film

>>213020172
No, not basically what you said.
>ENTERTAINMENT IS AN OVERRATED FACTOR OF FILM
As in, the point of seeing a movie isn't to be entertained
>is saying he likes the dark parts more than the bright parts
As in "I like depressing stuff"

You are maybe the most retarded person here.

>>213020143
> lowbrow insults
So calling you a liar is a "braindead insult" but you having a meltdown and calling everyone you disagree with a retard is not? Also keep believing I am the same guy even though I don't even hold the same point of view as him.
>I am on your side
Prove it. Post your hand and then post proof that you are not a leftist.

>>213020180
Sure, and that's not the same thing as ENTERTAINMENT BEING AN OVERRATED FACTOR OF FILM for fuckssake. Movies, even ones to make you feel discomfort, are designed to entertain you. Period. This is the function of a movie. To remove that is to force yourself through random shit for the sake of insisting it's "good" by any parameters you can't actually quantify, because you didn't enjoy it and movies aren't graded on a rigid scale.

>>213020228
the topic at hand you mouth breathing Melvin you are so unbelievably dense
You've still yet to contribute to your original argument because you cannot fathom someone with similar dispositions disagreeing with you on a single point
enough (you)s from me, hope you are striked down dead, etc

>>213020098
but that still isn't unpleasant then. You're finding it a pleasant feeling. Something being dark or grotesque isn't the issue. Its the "unpleasant" part. those aren't interchangeable words.
Unpleasant is something that you find objectionable. Something that you don't find beauty in. It would be like someone talking about raping children or lynching blacks because thats not something you're gonna come around to and see their side and agree with or eventually see the beauty or truth about. That's something that's always going to hurt and you find yourself revolted by.

>>213020283
>refuses to post his hand
>more animalistic screeching
I hope the same blacks that you worship will cut your throat, you subhuman leftist.

Cope for talentless hacks like Lars von Trier

>>213020238
>ENTERTAINMENT BEING AN OVERRATED FACTOR OF FILM
This is a pretty innocuous, just kind of artsy statement. The guy does dark comedy, he likes to keep it gothic or whatever, I really dont understand where people are acting like this is an indictment of the bright or a a desire to remove entertainment from movies.

>>213020207
overrated just means he thinks people like it more than they should, calling one side of a binary overrated is really just an endorsement of the perceived smaller side

>>213020356
Yeah he is kind of talking in paradox because 'entertainment' is such a broad term that nearly means any satisfaction, but I think he means unpleasant can cause entertainment or satisfaction. I guess we look at the difference between entertainment and satisfaction, or what the proposed purpose of art is?

>>213017676
Leaving Las Vegas

>>213017236 (OP)
woah...

>>213019834
>My clique vs your clique

You fucking normalfags are pathetic.

i dont give a fuck what mr "george lucas ruined my childhood" has to say about art.

>>213020398
>Hack

Why does every fucking midwit use this term incorrectly? "Hack" refers to an artist who produces material to studio standards for the express purpose of money, Von Trier is ANYTHING but a hack.

>>213017419
>discomfort is a binary and being yelled at is literally equivalent to being r*ped

>>213019635
I love how the thread IQ devolved to single digits after my digestion of Lynch. Shout-out to that one anon arguing with a literal autist. This board is full of peasants and you should all be banned from discussing film.

>>213021050
I hope it was me!

>>213020948
>t. sore loser

>>213020557
I mean MAYBE if he said "uncomfortable AT FIRST", I could see it, because lots of things are that way. They're unfamiliar, challenging, force you to rethink things, but then you either come to agree with them or find beauty in them and then you like or enjoy them. Or you don't and you continue to dislike it.
but to just say something "made uncomfortable" makes it seem like being intentionally unpleasant is a noble end goal in itself, and like I said that seems more like a "I like it when it's uncomfortable for OTHER PEOPLE" type thing.

>>213021415
Yeah that's more of the conceptual beauty or enjoyment that follows from the more literal experience of what's fun and not in an actual film

>>213017236 (OP)
Gamers understand this because they're more enlightened than filmsloppers

>>213021415
Oh also I think because he actually is a dark humor/gothy kind of guy, he does actually mean his favorite movies are the ones that simply creep him out forever

what are we doin here man

>>213017647
>you're creating some imaginary guy to get mad at.

>Damn he’s right. I’m fully ready to accept trannies in children’s cartoons now. In fact don’t even bother with the cartoon pretense let’s just show them hardcore tranny porn.

>>213022007
Hopefully I am demonstrating the spiritually fulfilling language of neutral understanding, to someone who shares in the journey of searching for it

>>213021826
being creeped out can be enjoyable though. I like creepy movies.

>>213022127
Right right. Enjoyable in the greater sense but dark and discomforting in the actual movie

>>213022089
im not the pro tranny poster

>>213022297
who in this thread, out of every last fucking post, is pro tranny!?

>>213022313
im not your magic mirror on the wall dude i don't care

>>213022331
Alright man I just assumed you had some stake in your temporary identity here being that you showed up as an anonymous poster to announce you weren't another also anonymous poster (how can anyone target you when none of us can be made targets? How does identifying yourself as not another poster help on a forum where you cannot be found except by the contents of a new post?)

>>213017236 (OP)
How is Blue Velvet supposed to make you feel uncomfortable?

>>213022427
It's about a guy who find a fucking severed ear

>>213022487
Good morning saar

>>213022427
Have you not seen the movie?

>>213022503
I am so frustrated with you

>>213022503
aw FUCK i said 'find' instead of 'finds', i'm fucking drunk okay not brown i swear on whatever you'd like

>>213022427
Read Roger Ebert's review of it. He was very offended.

>>213017236 (OP)
>Blue Velvet is an incredible movie in part because it makes you uncomfortable
>this means wokeism in movies is good
I'm guessing this is the sort of derangement he's pushing?

The full context of this quote is that he watched it with his daughter and she hated it. He says that with Lynch, it's your job to decipher the message and take away what you will and that's sometimes not for everyone. He said that he liked that she hated it because she talked about it non-stop afterwards. The point is that even though she did not ENJOY it, she was engaged with it and it was thought-provoking to her.

>>213022554
I'm not as smart as you but point to me in the source image where this was said or perhaps even implied?

>>213022427
the juxtaposition of beauty and violence, sex and sadism, youthful naivety and ugly reality

>>213017847
>kojima is a midwit
Yeah, no shit

>>213018893
No but you are because you got raped kek

>>213022700
It wasn't, but /tv/ is incapable of thinking about or analyzing anything beyond whether or not it's "woke"

>>213017236 (OP)
10$ on the fact that this faker is pro-israel.

>>213018966
I actually argued with her a lot about this and even brought up that she likes sad songs and can appreciate them, why is it different than a movie? She still just said doesn't care only wants to be distracted and feel good watching something.

>>213022683
>you're talking about it though!
another case of many where people have tragically misunderstood the definition and purpose of art due to the influence of financially incentivizing artistic endeavors. to be fair this was a sad reality even in the past.

>>213017236 (OP)
Remember how he gave up social media after the slave Leia incident

>>213017419
You know there is a difference between adult films and children's cartoons right?

>>213017236 (OP)
Is that meant to explain his career after Shaun of the Dead?

>>213023061
I'll take that bet
https://www.thejc.com/news/richard-gere-simon-pegg-and-claire-foy-among-100-stars-signing-apartheid-israel-open-letter-r9w5k8tv
You owe me $10.

>>213023447
>>213023061
environmental storytelling

*sees blue velvet in his hands*
he must be talking about trans porn

>>213017236 (OP)
He's right, but trying to turn hollywood blockbusters into artistic statements is completely stupid

Potty humor makes me uncomfortable

>>213020523
No, it's him saying he thinks people should watch movies less for entertainment and more for overall experience, which includes being uncomfortable. Just admit you don't speak English. The quote is very clear.

>>213017236 (OP)
Nah. Misery porn only exists as a tool of Jewish demoralization

>>213024306
The Fighting Sullivan Brother is a miserable story, while also being inspiring and a major moment for the American people. Just admit you can't handle greater feelings than capeshit.

>>213024302
How so? How is it not just some slightly artsy statement from some guy who prefers to keep everything dark and probably likes movies that have absolutely none of that a little bit less, and who maybe has a story like this >>213022683 ?

>>213024336
Can you fucking read? That's how. It's literally the quote, dude. It's not as though it's some hard to discern, esoteric sentence. It's incredibly clear. There is no nuance to his statement. He says it outright. Legitimately just admit you can't read. It has nothing to do with "people should enjoy sad or uncomfortable things" and instead to seek out things that make you uncomfortable because that is the purpose the experience, not entertainment, as that is overrated. It's in plain English, bro. Just stop trying it's insane. The greater point you've just quoted here as well is the problem, you should not seek out media for the purpose of challenging your comfort so you can discuss it, you should engage with it because it's good, or entertaining (generally synonymous) and hope that it challenges you on a deeper level.

>>213023176
She just relates movies with distraction more, and probably has some really great memories of seeing some playful shit with the rest of her generation and old friends when she was young. I advise connection to her through the profound instant understanding of your sentiment she expressed as finding through her preferred medium of music, rather than divide yourself from this moment by focusing on her previous lack of experience with that feeling in movies

>>213024409
I just don't think he's being that absolute. Overrated is an incredibly relative term that doesn't even mean the subject doesn't deserve a high rating. You can spam the same insult against me all you like, but come on man he's having his special little movie closet moment, what's a dark comedy guy to say?

>>213017236 (OP)
that's a horrendous take, aside from being a logical fallacy (function of art vs. result of the artwork?! the intent gets lost in the way)
it doesn't have to be entertaining but making you uncomfortable is a big no-no (unless you are a faggot and want an empty theater to buttfuck men... and we must all agree that the person depicted in those four images is a faggot would stink up a movie theater crust bustin)

if the movie makes you feel uncomfortable, that's a different business, but I don't think anybody would appreciate 3 hours of geriatrics shitting in slow motion with a close-up of how the shit comes out

blue velvet isnt that uncomfy though. its very comfy if you like the themes. some stuff is unsettling, but thats how it should be. and if something is boring, it fails as a movie. entertaining can mean lots of things, for me its mostly if its interesting and makes my noggins jog, my jimmies jazz, if you catch my drift. something bland can just fuck right off. waste of time.

>>213024520
Dude he didn't say it was soul-ripping, he was looking around the closet and saw Blue Velvet and came up with a point about how he really likes the movies with shit like where a guy finds a severed ear

>>213024466
Brother. I don't grasp how you don't understand this has nothing to do with "dark comedy" the conversation is about David Lynch etc. You literally just quoted a post that mentioned that specific fact. Which centers back to the initial point, Un Chien Andalou is "challenging" but also not good by any means and shown as a way to express early, challenging and uncomfortable experimental film. Lynch is experimental. There might elements to Lynch that are technically good, but I'm also not going to, or sitting down to watch a movie so I can be "challenged" or "uncomfortable" because that's not the purpose of a movie. The purpose is to be entertained, by quality, or something interesting, and hope that that challenges me further. It's not a pastime designed to waste hours of your life arguing incredibly niche and small parts of overall long and boring movies. It's literally an entertainment vehicle, and to suggest the purpose of movies is "overrated" is to suggest you should subject yourself to low quality, and abysmal shit because it has "the right message" or what have you instead of just promoting and enjoying quality art made by hardworking people. This is why I don't watch "streamers" and YouTube. It's low quality, low production value garbage nobody is spending time or money on. This is what Pegg is arguing in favour of. That the purpose of movies in particular are just an experience, not for entertainment, as that is overrated. It's clear as day. I wouldn't need to "repeat the same insults" if you just had basic literacy skills rather than trying to defend some gay idiot because he made 2 good movies ever.

>>213017236 (OP)
nigga I put a movie on to entertain me
i'm not there for "le message" or "to feel le uncomfortable" I'm there to be entertained
I don't care for art that makes me uncomfortable any more than i care for art that makes me bored.

Stop listening to the opinions of actors. They are tools.

>>213023367
tell japan that

>>213024556
sure, but entertaining is a broad word i would say. everything can entertain, doesnt mean it has to be happy go lucky. i also dont watch these videos, i was commenting based on the context of the fucking social media cap OP gave us. unsettling is entertaining.

>>213017419
pld tone down your projection to groom children, this makes me really uncomfortable

>>213017419
>all that seething
touched a nerve, I think

If I want to make myself uncomfortable I go outside and wait for 10 seconds until the first non-white or fat hag shows up.
Why the heck would I pay for that?
>...
Oooooh, it's for people so disgusting that they can't find something more disgusting than themselves... so non-whites and fat hags!

>>213024584
I think there's a really unique almost priceless effect to those movies you can watch for 90 minutes to an hour that really take you to a thoughtful dark place. You could describe enjoyment as a part of that or even all of that, but they wouldn't be the same without that dark shit that's so good to like

>>213024721
90 minutes to 2 hours* lol

>>213017419
this, I would be very uncomfortable and therefore enlightened

>>213024700
>If I want to make myself uncomfortable I go outside and wait for 10 seconds until the first non-white or fat hag shows up.
You're fucking clearly enjoying involvement in the uncomfortable right now so shut the fuck up and quit acting like you don't have a pretty strong muscle for getting satisfaction out of the profane COMPRENDE!?!

>>213024721
But that's entertainment. He's telling you to watch things you dislike and are uncomfortable with strictly for that purpose and experience because experience, and dialogue, and challenging your norms is more important for the film experience than entertainment. Which is opening you up to absolute slop dog shit for the purpose of appeasing your own head-canon on the world or somebody else's to feel good or smart. It's just an absurd take begging people to be up their own ass, insufferable, and allow lower quality, shitty art with no effort permeate into serious spaces.

>>213024951
>t. He's telling you to watch things you dislike and are uncomfortable with strictly for that purpose and experience because experience, and dialogue, and challenging your norms is more important for the film experience than entertainment.
Is he? Seems like he's saying the best movies are dark ones that make you think, to me. Actually maybe he's saying that, alright.
>Which is opening you up to absolute slop dog shit for the purpose of appeasing your own head-canon on the world or somebody else's to feel good or smart.
I assume he knows a bad movie when he sees one, nothing about his statement says 'i love shit movies and will watch ones that don't give me what i'm looking for in dark movies'
>It's just an absurd take begging people to be up their own ass, insufferable,
Yeah he's being a bit artsy
>and allow lower quality, shitty art with no effort permeate into serious spaces.
Let's be real, between you and me *pulls you close* [spoiler]have you ever believed in this as an excuse not to say what you want? like if you made a couple movies and the semi-famous cinema archive asked you to go into their special archive and talk about your personal feelings about a movie have you ever really believed in this above your own desire to express yourself when someone who cares asks you to be open with something you like?

>>213025083
Actually maybe he's saying that*
*'that' refers to 'challenging your norms is more important for the film experience than entertainment.', i begin to agree with the poster here, Pegg is saying it's better to watch something unsettling that causes discussion than it is to watch pure pulp

>>213025083
>>213025120
haha i fucked up all my post. whatever, you know what i mean. Get over yourself fags its supposed to be this cutesy moment where they get to really be their filmmaker selves and the guy decided to talk about how much he loves gothicism. Get a griiiiiiip losers

>>213018476
ok manchild

>>213017647
You know Master Shake is a retard right

>>213018129
none of the cornetto movies are slop you dumb nigger

>>213022683
>The point is that even though she did not ENJOY it, she was engaged with it and it was thought-provoking to her.
I don't know if that's a good thing to strive for in of itself. As other people have pointed out, it's not hard to get people talking especially about stuff they DON'T like (this board is full of it)
Its quite easy to upset people. Making something people actually enjoy is harder than pissing them off.

>>213018866
They should be either in secure mental institutions or swinging from a rope.

sure is summer in here

>>213018698
Unironically this lmao. FGF is my favorite comedy

>>213019989
>Why should normal, healthy human relationships be shown and not mentally ill sexual deviants with a fetish for dressing as the opposite sex?

>>213017236 (OP)
Is that why he liked The Force Awakens?

>>213017236 (OP)
True. Art needs either truth and/or beauty. The problem is, modern film has neither.

>>213019432
la la land

I get uncomfortable with every movie nowadays because they show people having regular sex
what kind of twisted and sick fuck puts softcore porn in a PG17 movie

>>213017236 (OP)
The worst popular take at the moment in film discourse is this:

"The character is bad because he's unlikeable".