My name is... Khan

>>213025567 (OP)
When they swapped the whole Kirk/Spock thing I thought "oh so I guess the third movie is gonna be search for Kir-oh nevermind he's all better now".

Into Darkness fucking sucked. Beyond fucking sucked but somehow is way better then Into Darkness.

>>213025567 (OP)
Remember the whole run up to this movie where Cabbagepatch was like "haha lmao no I'm not Khan, of course not stop being so ridiculous you internet nerds, like that would ever happen"

if he said kaiser it would be too much of a connection with the ubermen

>>213025817
I stopped watching GOT because they claimed in interviews that Jon Snow "was really dead and off the show seriously" and then in the first episode of the next season they revived him. Fuck liars.

>>213025620
All of the villains in the Kelvin timeline were great concepts executed terribly.
>2009
It had an excellent concept of "What if the villain was just an ordinary guy who the federation fucked over and lost everything because of it?" There was potential in a film about a young, inexperienced Kirk who had everything to lose going up against a Romulan who had absolutely nothing to lose. Yet, instead Abrams and his buddies were absolutely lazy and just made Nero incredibly barebones and expected audiences to have watched TNG (for what was was supposed to bring new people into the franchise, that was completely fucking stupid). 2009 had the most wasted villain of all of them.
>Into Darkness
The essence of the Enterprise Crew having to deal with an Intergalactic Terrorist hell bent on destroying the federation wasn't in of itself a bad idea. In fact, if it was done correctly, this could have even built upon the theme of the first film's villain. Having the federation bringing about their own worst enemies could have been an interesting development. However, in what has been one of Abrams and Kurtzman's most famous bouts of laziness, they just made the villain Khan in order to milk nostalgia. The film took what could have been a really good villain and decided to throw it away.
>Beyond
Admittedly, even the concept of Beyond's villain was just a retread of the previous two villain's motivations but the idea of having a federation crew evolve into cruel aliens after being in isolation is a neat idea. In fact, if the story was a bit more darker, having a cosmic horror type Star Trek film would have been a bold and interesting direction. Yet instead, Krall is among the most forgettable and boring villains the franchise has ever had. A total waste of time.

I'm straight but got damn that men is handsome

Is star trek really that good

>>213026158
it's almost as if all the villains are basically "The federation was in the wrong and made them what they are, but we won't resolve the conflict with accountability, we'll just defeat the villain with firepower"

>>213026450
In the case of Nero it's incredibly maddening to watch because Nero clearly comes from the future (seeing as he obviously has advanced technological capabilities) and Pike just goes "Nuh uh, you're wrong" and acts like that's an actual argument against Nero's claims.

>>213026158
>great concepts executed terribly
Nah, it was shit both conceptually and in execution. Khan was a superhuman dictator not some terrorist, it's a total perversion of the character to create some overplayed terrorist threat (a concept that was done to death in a 1000 movies) and which really doesn't belong in a Star Trek movie. It's scifi not action slop.

Nero was an edgelord and the whole red matter / supernova that travels at FTL / time travel was extremely retarded.

Kirk getting his command so young by being an insubordinate retard made no sense. Lack of respect for the lore of Star Trek changing the look and proportions of the Enterprise, having it built on the ground and not in orbit.

Swapping the Kirck-Spock KHAAAAAAN moment was unoriginal and souless.

Product placement everywhere.

I could go on all day, they turned Star Trek into some capeshit slop trilogy.
The last one tried to dial it back into more scifi territory (the planet and the alien were cool, Kirk acts more like Kirk, but still retarded).

>>213025567 (OP)
Who the fuck watches this Star Wars bullshit still?

>>213025567 (OP)
Probably the one and only time in a decade of nothing but "progressives" whining where they were correct about something. Casting young Khan as some pasty white Brit made exactly zero sense. This wasn't an alternate parallel universe, it was a deviation from the main universe time line, in which khan was a fucking brown ass mexican

>>213025877

How did GOT even convince people ANYONE could die? Seriously, that´s just not how storytelling works. It´s the reason subversion hacks keep failing, it just doesn´t work like that. The fatso obviously knew this rule to heart and only killed characters that had either outlived their usefulness or characters that it was useful to kill to change the status quo and progress the story. Ned Stark dies because he is the mentor/ father figure that protects the main characters, his death is a narrative necessity to force the Stark children to develop their arcs. Tywin dies because Tyrion is needed elsewhere in the plot, Joffrey dies because Sanza needed to go from victim of the game to start playing 4D chess herself and Jon, Jon is fundamentally different to all of them. Jon is the MC and the literal chosen one and his arc was directly tied to the Night king.

At that point in time D&D were still following the fatso´s script so killing Jon was obviously just the trigger for resurrection and the advent of Azor Ahai... but off course D&D had to fuck it all up.

Not to be confused with Bill, or Jack, or Pete, or Dennis

>>213026629
>Spock KHAAAAAAN moment was unoriginal and souless.
You forgot to add that it was hilarious.

>>213026740
I disagree. Early seasons GOT was a good execution of "subverting expectations".
There's no way you saw the death of Ned Stark coming, nor the Red Wedding.

The Red Wedding is great because we've been following the Starks it's basically one of two factions in what promises to be a long and epic conflict, you don't expect them to get wiped out overnight in a brilliant sequence that also made sense.

But the problem is these things drove the story, and made narrative sense, father gets beheaded, son goes to war, family gets slaughtered, but the north remembers. It's a neat storyline. The problem later on is that it became subverting expectations for its own sake.

Them killing off and bringing back Jon was retarded and predictable I agree with you. The previous subversions were well done.

it made no sense for it to be Khan anyway. There was no history between Khan and Kirk here like there was in Wrath of Khan

>>213025567 (OP)
Fuck off, get back into the freezer, you're not Khan.

>>213026709
The funny thig is no leftist complained about this casting because they made the bad guy white

>>213026861

Well done yes, subversion of expectations, not so much. From a narrative point of view the point of the red wedding is basically prevent Arya from reuniting with her family. She is meant to become a faceless assassin and have her vengeance. That was her arc. True enough you could not predict the red wedding exactly but you could know something had to happen to prevent that reunion.

Good writing can trick audiences into thinking the possibilities are endless with plethora of misdirection tricks but in story telling possibilities are not endless or left to chance. Jon resurrection was obvious but that doesn´t make it bad. There is nothing wrong with giving the audience what they are expecting if enough anticipation is built around it. The people always remembers a satisfying delivery even if they don´t remember anything else. Fucking every single character arc on the show is the reason GoT went from being one of the most talked shows ever to a barely remembered colossal waste of time.

>>213027167
Search Google for Star Trek Into Darkness "whitewashing" (in quotation marks) and you'll find content from when the movie came out complaining about that.

>>213025817
Everyone involved from JJ to Cabbagepatch insisted for months the rumors were fake news and he wasn't Khan. Destroyed the last bit of credibility I had for Hollywood & critics

This is as bad race swapping as this guy in 2010, playing Dr. Sivasubramanian Chandrasegarampillai.