Thread 213031359

This is not Snyder-apologism or Gunn-bashing, I don't care about any of this. This is a thread specifically about this bit of writing in Man of Steel, an otherwise very flawed film that gets one bit right. I genuinely don't get the hate for Costner's character (picrel and "let your friends die"). He loves and treasures his son above all else in the world and he frets over his safety ever since he finds him in the barn (very subtle, Zac). Of course he'll (selfishly) not want Clark to reveal himself, even if it means endangering others, this is a perfectly normal parental reaction. The
>Maybe you should've
scene makes perfect sense, it's just the writers should have phrased it less harshly and definitively -- something to the tune of "I don't know, Clark, I don't have the answers, I just know that it's dangerous for you". Picrel is even less problematic in my mind -- Jonathan cares nothing for his own life if it means endangering Clark's, so he forbids him from acting; Clark, who trusts his father completely and absolutely, hesitates just for a moment as a result and by then it's too late. Yeah, you can split hairs about how he could've still saved him because he's super-fast or w/e, but that's besides the point. Both of these scenes are exemplary parental behaviour in my mind, a parent values and protects their child above all else.

>>213031359 (OP)
I never understood the hate for stop invincible son because Jonathan is proven right, the people of earth fucking hate and fear Superman when he reveals himself. Jonathan basically foresaw the future where Clark would cause 9/11 2.0 and get hunted down like a dog by the courts of law and by Batman.

Come guys, he has fucking super speed or whatever, it's almost if anyone would have noticed shit

if he ran in and saved Pa Kent, everyone would know he's a special magical person. that's all there is to it.

>>213031359 (OP)
> scene makes perfect sense,

No it doesn’t. It makes sense when you realize who wrote MOS. Nolan and Goyer. Make sense that two Batman guys would think they needed to artistically create the Wayne’s getting killed to create a “tragedy” because they don’t understand Superman

>>213031422
Because he reveals himself when his people show up, threaten to kill everyone, and then destroy a major city

>>213031359 (OP)
You're right but comic book fans are unable to understand characters if they don't spell huge doses of verbal exposition to the audience.

>>213031484
I agree that the dad's death is likely engineered to give the story pathos, but the justification they give for it is perfectly satisfactory in my mind.

>>213031359 (OP)
I mostly agree with what you're saying, but I would prefer if the circumstance was something another anon said, like a heart attack that superman couldn't do anything about. Man of steel was good regardless.

him dying of a heart attack is so much better than this retarded scene lmao

I too think it's very paramount for someone who will do anything to do the right thing to sit back and do nothing.

>>213031484
I blame them.for assuming smooth brained morons would understand that this is About Jonathan Kent's fears!!!! All he said was Be prepared for the fallout due to your choices and at the time Clark was 16 years old.

>>213031359 (OP)
My only issue with this scene is that a tornado spawns out of nowhere.

>>213031594
>a tornado spawns out of nowhere
Its Kansas anon, that shit happens all the time.

>>213031541
The father's death was an unavoidable tragedy. Had Clark exposed himself what not people began to worship him, could Clark transcend cult of personality? What if the government went for his mother, remember when he smashed Zod through a gas station!

>>213031648
*what if people began to worship him

>>213031479
So you just kill all the witnesses. Problem solved. Clark still has a Dad, Martha hasn't lost a husband, everyone goes home happy.

>>213031573
People understood it and that it was retarded. You can polish this turd all you want it won’t change the fact it was stupid as fuck

>>213031777
it's pretty immoral to kill someone without their consent.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vzutcTsKI1E&pp=ygUVWmFjayBhbnlkZXIgaW50ZXJ2aWV3

Zack explains the scene himself in a relatively recent interview

>>213031841
I guess he could ask each witness if they're okay with being slaughtered before he wipes them all out but it could become problematic if anyone says no.

>>213031359 (OP)
>guy with superspeed faster than flash could not find a disguise in dramatic scene while looking at his father slow death by approaching tornado, but can quickly destroy a truck with serval trees unnoticed because the driver was mean to him

Yeah, and if Costner wasn't retarded, didn't get his feet stuck and saved the doggerino without killing himself everyone would have thought he's the Kryptonian instead. Because only super people from the outer space save doggos.
There's a tornado and everyone is running for their lives. You think anyone is gonna check?

>>213031648
>Had Clark exposed himself
just admit you wanted to see cavill's cock

>>213032234
Who doesn't?

>>213031359 (OP)
he shouldn't have gone back and risked his life to save the dog simple as

>>213031359 (OP)
>30 year old playing a 16 year old

>>213031516
>destroy a major city
yeah but that was an accident

>>213031359 (OP)
Because who the fuck cares?
>Oh no, you said you shoved your dad and yourself into a car before the storm came and your car flew a thousand miles away and you survived?
>I don't accept that! I'm calling the government on you, you alien!

>>213031985
People saw Clark do this shit without being seen in practically every episode of Smallville. Smallville Clark wouldn’t let his dad get sucked up by a tornado. He actually saved Lana from a tornado

>>213032365
This is him at 17

>>213032442
Considering stories like this happen all the time and people generally follow the path of least resistance to stuff like this, genuinely what the hell was wrong with doing that?
>father and son miraculously survive tornado, this is a miracle of GAWD praise Jeeesus hallelujah!!

>>213032570
Same thing for the bus scene.
Clark thought he was gonna drown, had an adrenaline rush and lifted the bus.
It just isn't a big deal.
At worst, the people of your podunk town decide to hate you for saving your dad, which isn't logical anyway.
Am I supposed to believe that Kansas farmers would contact the US Army to come kidnap Clark from his farmhouse?
Pa Kent is just retarded in this movie.

>>213031359 (OP)
This scene and this movie in general should not have the stranglehold that it does over people. It’s jarring to see so many people as of late vilifying Cavill’s Superman and Snyder for what was an otherwise fresh albeit standard take on the character.

>>213032834
>an otherwise fresh albeit standard take on the character
this is an interesting way to cope with murderman's existence

>>213032613
>Clark thought he was gonna drown, had an adrenaline rush and lifted the bus.
And then some shitty little fat kid who'd be dead without Clark saving his fat ass couldn't keep his mouth shut and he squeals on Clark to his bitchy Karen of a mother and then they show up at the Kent's house demanding that Clark be euthanized or whatever

No wonder Clark became Murderman, he realized the best way to help humanity was to purge the huge number of assholes among us

>>213032834
Not fresh it’s ass. Clark never let his dad eden he told not save get sucked up fucking tornado. He would’ve saved his ass even if meant Pa bitched at him and never spoke to him again. Atleast his mom wouldn’t be a widow

>>213033115
The fat kid and his mom don't even say anything negative.
All she says is that it's an act of God and that Clark has acted similarly before.
That hardly seems bad to me.

I have a hard time believing anybody cares this much about the character to be judgmental about him. So what if Pa bites the dust, he was going to fall over and die anyway.

>>213031359 (OP)
This scene would be 100x better and make more sense if it showed Clark cared about saving people more than risking himself, even if it meant defying his dad.

>STOP INVINCIBLE SON, your dream can only be built on a mountain of corpses. Let me lay the foundation to this cruel path. From now on make sure to cause as much destruction as you fight as possible.
There so much better
CAPTCHA: DAMND

>>213033276
This movie really hammers home the christ metaphors

>>213033498
No anon that's too close to Superman. Not subversive enough.

>>213033627
I love the Snyderverse but Snyder went too far in some places

>>213033627
>>213033684
The messianic symbolism is standard Superman stuff though

>>213031359 (OP)
>makes perfect sense
based suicidal dad apologist
my life doesn't matter , protect your life son even if you already did that shit before and nothing happened

>>213033670
It's made worse by the situation itself being so non-threatening as if there being a literal tornado wouldn't be the best cover for some weird shit happening, "That wasn't him it was a branch in the tornado" or any type of shit like that. No one would even question it. If it was way more overtly public it would be slightly better, but for Superman it still makes more sense for him to choose to save the person, every time. Much less his dad.

>>213031648
>The father's death was an unavoidable tragedy.
are all snyderjeets this stupid?

>>213031359 (OP)
>hesitates just for a moment as a result and by then it's too late
If this was what actually happened, it would have been great. He would have done the wrong thing(hesitate) and would have learned from it. Never hesitate to do the right thing again. This was a movie that was about a Clark Kent who wasn't yet Superman, he was becoming Superman from the lessons he learned in life.

...What actually happened was he didn't even fuckin TRY to save his father, which now turns into a character trait of the character. This makes him NOT Superman because this Clark would let his father die for a piss poor reason. This combined with him making out with Lois while the rubble of Metropolis is falling in the background and people are dying are severe character flaws that make him not be Superman, instead of lessons that cause him to become Superman(like him leading Doomsday away from the city in BvS, that was him learning to be Superman because of the first movie).

>>213034003
Definitely. I mean, I hate to be rude, but why is the town of Smallville going to do? Ban the Kents from the annual 4th of July parade?
I just don't see this town really giving a shit that Clark saved his dad.
And the whole cope about humanity fearing him is just nonsense.
Clark literally walks into his hometown church, tells the preacher he's an alien, and has a cordial conversation with him.
It's only after he fucking explodes an entire Metropolitan cityscape that the people of Earth go:
>Huh. Maybe Superman is reckless.

>>213034423
>why
*what

>>213031648
>what not people began to worship him
"this guy ran really fast to save his dad, he must surely be a god" and not just "he was high on adrenaline/it's a miracle from Jesus/whatever"