Thread 213307035

Desperation edition

Forgot the Previously: >>213280109

>>213307035 (OP)
just in time

>>213307097
yeah it's half-assed but at least it exists

I'm watching the new Night Court and they got John Larroquette dressed as a Klingon, so he says 'something about this feels familiar' to uproars of laughter. You're telling me the general public remembers Larroquette played a Klingon in Star Trek III 40 years ago? Ludicrous! That's also clearly a Worf head, not an accurate Maltz.

>>213307311
compare the quality of that head to the fucking Hershey's kiss looking ass klingon head in the new Starfleet Academy show

De'Marcus of House Zesty

Hit me with some good bottle episodes

>>213307453
Conundrum

>>213307035 (OP)
Just watched Before & After and it got me thinking about how badly they bungled Kes. It was only just a few episodes ago when she started wearing clothes that wasn't just the smock that makes her look like a child, and how it was only beginning in this one where she has longer hair and looks like a proper woman. Then I got to thinking how this would be the last episode she gets to herself before she has to leave the show due to behind the scenes drama.
They should have let her story end, but they didn't, they somehow got her back for the odd and uncomfortable almost humiliation ritual that was Fury. The one where Kes comes back to kill everyone because...? And at the end she "turns good" but is still an old hag. Star Trek was never spiteful like this towards their actors, I'm not sure why they would have made such an episode.

#TNG surprised me for a second, as i only signed on shitter last month to shill my doodles. there it is clear as day, some chaidoru next to trek fanart. how bizarre

>>213307311
>>213307354
I am experiencing talent drought fatigue

>>213307587
I don't know what half of this means, and I am no boomer

>>213307483
It’s hard to know what was going on behind the scenes. She was clearly unreliable enough to not be a regular but she briefly got her shit together enough and Mulgrew pulled some strings to get her a final episode or something. As to why they chose such a brutal sendoff to take one final shit on the character is a mystery to me too. Maybe the producers did it out of spite for flaking on them; that sort of spitefulness seems difficult for me to conceive of, but I’m not Jewish Hollywood producer either. I dunno

>>213307880
You just know

>>213307354
Um that's JAY-DEN from house Zesty to you, chico

>>213307453
Duet

>>213307453
Shattered VOY

>Star Trek II (1982): Genetic freak from the past has a superweapon and wants revenge
>Star Trek Insurrection (1998): Genetic freaks from the past have a superweapon and want revenge
>Star Trek Nemesis (2002): Genetic freak from the past has a superweapon and wants revenge
>Star Trek (2009): Romulan from the future(!) has a superweapon and wants revenge
>Star Trek Into Darkness (2013): Genetic freak from the past has a superweapon and wants revenge
>Star Trek Beyond (2019): Genetic freak from the past has a superweapon and wants revenge
>Star Trek Section 31 (2025): Dead guy from the past has a superweapon and wants revenge

How do Star Trek writers keep coming up with these fantastical plots from the furthest reaches of the imagination?

>>213307453

ENT "Doctor's Orders"

>toontroon posted the fake /trek/ tier list again
lol
lmao even

>>213308395
you can soon add this abomination to the bottom
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi0A9iATdLc
>Fat Black Woman Academy

>>213307354
thes modern uniforms are so boring. not that TNG or TOS uniforms were amazing or anything but at least they feel like they have a unique character. t hese are just gray and gay.

>>213308480
>watchu talkin' bout Founder!
>You know mah people done been enslaved by you with the cracktrecel WHITE
>I demand REPARATIONS! MMMM-HMM
>*snaps fingers saucily*
>>213308495
They're just frumpy looking. Costume design, make-up design, all of these things are becoming lost skills.
I hate how they add shoulderpads to all of these and square them off, and then everything else is just loose and messy looking.

>>213308395
>ENT not materially, supremely superior to the 7 unending years of zero-effort flavorless gruel that was VOY, a show that was a network-ordered remake of TNG made without any understanding of why the characters from TNG were compelling or worked together
>and, as the cast later revealed, the producers actually instructed most of the main cast to deliberately be boring to watch to try to elevate three other characters by comparison
>one of whom was fucking Neelix, another was a non-character portrayed by a psychotic actress who had to be written off the show, and the last, the Doctor was the only slightly interesting character on the entire show

>>213307354
Christ. I'd take the fucking Klingorcs over this faggotry.

>>213308534
I have no idea how this creature looks so UGLY without any obvious disfigurements...
a fucking mystery.

>>213308395
Almost exactly the same series

>>213308550
Yeah, VOY still has a lot of good to great episodes of Star Trek in there. ENT just doesn't.

ENT is the most serialized Star Trek show of all time and it really suffers for it. All of the crap about the temporal cold war, the Xindi, just long drawn out storylines that don't hold up to episodic viewing. VOY wins for being more episodic alone. If ENT had more Carbon Creeks, it'd be different but it just doesn't. Every VOY season from 3-7 is better than any single ENT season.

Also Archer is a retard who swings between trusting every alien he meets, getting imprisoned every other episode, and just failing upwards through faith of the heart, and then an authoritarian asshole who is a giant dick to his own crew like when he shits all over Trip for daring to teach a slave how to read the Cat in the Hat.
Shitty plastic looking drab grey sets, shitty costumes where everyone wears coveralls, shitty ensemble characters like Freighterman, shitty overserialization that makes DS9 look like TOS, and just a stinky air of desperation floating around the whole show, begging normies to give Star Trek a chance, to show it isn't just for the geeks!
The worst Berman Trek.

>>213307880
Was the black guy supposed to be Guinan using her alien powers to be a dude?

>>213308701
No he had been an extra as a waiter in past episodes, I think

>>213308395
Yeah that’s right

>>213307354
mcdonalds uniform

>>213308660
>Trip for daring to teach a slave how to read the Cat in the Hat.
It wasn't a slave, it was a tranny that they used in their sick alien reproduction rites and it killed itself. The show might have sucked but Trip was always good.

>>213308550
You raise some good points but I think you’re being unnecessarily harsh. It’s comfy

>>213308796
It was a tranny slave. They had no rights, no self-determination whatsoever. The cogenitors in that episode had less rights than slaves in the rural south of the US at the height of the plantation era lol.

>>213308395
I'd put prod somewhere between not star trek and tas

>>213308828
Black slaves were owned by a single person who could treat them however they wanted.The tranny was assigned to people and couldn't be mistreated. Whatever its legal status Trip did the right thing by driving it to suicide.

>>213308884
Nah

>>213308884
>and couldn't be mistreated
Being denied your personal freedoms is being mistreated, sir.

>>213308660
the Serialization is the downside which hurts. Wanted to see them on more anthology adventures.

Everything else about the show is fun and I love it.

The First TOS Movie looks like Xenomorphs could plausibly be aboard the ship.

>>213308919
They even push serialization between episodic one-offs. Like the week after that episode Trip and Malcolm are stuck in the shuttlepod with life support going out, Mal says something about how he wouldn't want to get stuck in a shuttlepod again like last time. They do it a lot, it's really annoying if you just want to watch a single episode, or if it's being re-run or something.

I'm desperate for some pussy.

Is paul giamatti gonna be fat and white and impotent and have a fist fight with the female jemhadar on the bridge?

>>213302965
I wouldn't put it past them.

>>213309065
A few threads back somebody posted a Kurtzman quote about his character being Trumplike or something

>>213309117
Did they time travel back to 2020?

>>213308660
>Yeah, VOY still has a lot of good to great episodes of Star Trek in there

No, it doesn't. It was 7 years of bland boring slop with barely a couple of mildly interesting episodes. What you like sucks, nobody but you wants it, and chasing you guys killed the franchise.
>>ENT is the most serialized Star Trek show of all time and it really suffers for it
>NO! I WANT A SHOW WHERE THE SPACESHIP GOES TO A NEW PLACE AND THEN THEY ARGUE ABOUT WHAT'S MORAL TO DO AND THEN THEY DO THAT AND THEN THEY GO AWAY
ENT was a desperate, mostly successfully attempt to break free of your demand for increasingly blander, worse remakes of TNG and you screamed on the internet until it got cancelled
The Onion even accurately made fun of you when 2009 came out (Star Trek Fans Condemn New Film As "Action-Packed Thrill Ride")
Now we get endless JJ/Kurtzman sewage, because of you old fucks and you still don't understand what you did

>>213282085
>episode explains that neelix cooks real food because they don't have enough spare energy to replicate so much as a cup of coffee for janeway
>meanwhile the boys are drinking synthehol wine in the holodeck with french sluts the whole episode

>>213309186
Everything about this post is deranged -- from your spacing to the weird ass unrelated image to your ranting about "old fucks" (very geezer-esque) to mentioning an Onion article in favor of JJTrek which you curse in your next breath to calling ENT "mostly successful".

Seek help, man. Fuck.

>>213309210
Based precious energy misallocaters

>>213309186
Voyager rules fuck off
Captcha: V0YDK

>>213309186
>ENT was a desperate, mostly successfully attempt to break free of your demand for increasingly blander, worse remakes of TNG and you screamed on the internet until it got cancelled
This isn't what happened at all though. ENT said fuck you to the niche audience and instead chased normie bait and utterly failed to bring said normies in as viewers for the show. What was successful about it exactly? Berman and Braga gave up the ghost to Manny Coto in S3 which was itself an admission of total failure and though he tried to change things up, the rug got pulled before he could accomplish much.

>>213309186
>ENT was total normie trash.
>Years later they double down on ENT tier normie trash.
>You fucks did this!

>grr Star Trek is slow and boring
>too much talking and discussing moral issues and ethical quandaries!
Look at him, /trek/

This guy and people like him are the reason Nu Trek is happening

Sometimes I wish I could smell Nerys

>>213309216
>midwit can't understand simple English
>likes VOY
You are literally the slop-guzzling morons who killed the franchise
>in favor of JJTrek which you curse in your next breath
JJ Trek sucks. You caused JJ Trek by bitching and complaining that the creatives tried to do something other than another bland boring remake of TNG until it got cancelled and the franchise was handed over to JJ's crew of grave robbers
> calling ENT "mostly successful".
ENT was a mostly successful attempt to do something other than another bland boring remake of TNG. It was not a bland boring remake of TNG
You can tell because you're still mad that ENT wasn't a show where the spaceship went to Blarxon LMVIX and debated around a table about rescuing the Flupgonian ambassador until either they decide that the obviously right thing to do is the right thing to do, or Deus Ex Machina themselves out of the dilemma by reversing the polarity of the tachyon beam and that fixed everything and then they fly away, aka most episodes of TNG and almost every single episode of VOY
ENT was sci-fi adventure show like TOS, with a serialized element because it was meant to show the founding of the Federation

>>213309322
I’m not taking the other side of that argument but what I will ask is what’s left? They’ve covered all the morality play stuff several times over in the four actual Star Trek series. That’s enough, they need to stop making more, that’s it

>>213309374
Damn, you are retarded.

Do people not hate watch anymore? I miss the discussion of the current garbage. Not just Trek, but in general. And before somebody claims I'm somehow funding these show by watching them I haven't watch any Star Trek through "legit" means since Enterprise.

>>213309277
>ENT said fuck you to the niche audience
ENT said fuck you to the small group of nerds who were strangling the franchise to death, and they succeeded in strangling the franchise to death
Nobody else wanted endless episodic morality plays where the space communists went to a new place and argued about the right thing to do (by their very well understood moral code) and then agreed on the right thing to do and then went away to a different place
When the creatives tried to do something different, the fat Gen X nerds bitched and screamed about how they weren't getting what they wanted.
Unfortunately we live in the age where Hollywood will strip mine any Boomer brand that anyone remembers even a little, so we get endless JJ and Kurtzman sewage and will forever

>>213309374
You're a retard. ENT takes all of the things you're complaining about in TNG and amplifies them to 11. The first two seasons are almost entirely Archer visiting Blarxon LMVIX and getting captured by the Blarxonians and then rescued by T'pol.
>ENT was a sci-fi adventure show like TOS
I've heard your dumb retarded ass say this before and I'm confident that you haven't watched TOS in fucking years, or maybe they only showed the worst S3 episodes of TOS in Guatemala or wherever you're from but TOS was extremely seriously-minded. Episodes like The Galileo Seven, Court Martial, Devil in the Dark could all be TNG episodes. They're what the good TNG and DS9 and VOY and ENT episodes are going for.

You're a mental midget, anon. A tiny, tiny retard who just repeats the same phrases without the ability to be critical and reflect.

>>213309434
>oh shit he's right
>s-shut up :(

>>213307453
Two pretty good VOY ones I just watched: Gravity and Bliss

>>213309438
Nobody is watching your shit even ironically now LOL. GET FUCKED

>>213309374
>ENT was just a light-hearted sci-fi adventure show, like TOS!
>Remember when Captain Kirk had to let the woman he fell in love with die to save the timeline? LOL! Just another of the Enterprise's wacky sci-fi adventures.

>>213309494
Tbf Kirk seemed to fall in love with an awful lot of women but you’re not actually wrong

>>213309452
>The first two seasons are almost entirely Archer visiting Blarxon LMVIX and getting captured by the Blarxonians and then rescued by T'pol.
Staggeringly wrong and--
>TOS was extremely seriously-minded. Episodes like The Galileo Seven, Court Martial, Devil in the Dark could all be TNG episodes.
Jesus CHRIST these are the worst TOS epsiodes. Court Martial was a literal fucking CLIP SHOW. Not City on the Edge of Forever or Balance of Terror or The Doomsday Machine or even The Trouble With Tribbles
Trying to cater to you killed Star Trek. Everyone switched off in the late 90s and never came back. Now we get sewage because people still remember something called Star Trek

>>213309570
>Court Martial is a clip show
You actually haven't seen TOS. It is by no definition a clip show. It's an important episode that fleshes out a lot of precedents in Star Trek and establishes the 'court room drama' episode motif.

>>213309065
I wouldn't put it past them.

>>213309331
How about Janeway instead?

>>213309695
Would

>>213309210
they found some more energy in the interim

>>213309494
>light-hearted
Now I know you're just autistic
An adventure show can have high stakes and high emotion. Actually it's best if it does.
You can't have high stakes and high emotion about a bunch of morally-perfect Space Mormons arguing in a conference room about what the morally correct thing to do in the situation they're about to leave forever in 21 minutes, except to people who have adopted the fictional religion of Space Mormonism and are thrilling along for the Space Mormons to reach the Correct Conclusion so they can fly off to next week's doctrinal dilemma for Space Mormonism
That's you.

>>213307453
Carbon Creek might be my fave from Ent

>>213309731
That's the opposite of a bottle episode you retard

I like vic fontaine

>>213309679
>You actually haven't seen TOS. It is by no definition a clip show.
>Court Martial is literally half clips from the rejected original pilot that sucked, which is the literal reason it was written, because they needed to save money and had all this footage already shot
>It's an important episode that fleshes out a lot of precedents in Star Trek and establishes the 'court room drama' episode motif.
>what people want to see is a sudden courtroom drama, using clips from an unproduced pilot, which will conveniently resolve to exactly the same situation as when the episode started, and will never be mentioned again!
Jesus please just tell me you're trolling so I can admit you got me

>>213309438
I get my hatewatching fix in by watching reviewers explain how they found it to be shit

>>213309723
You've never watched any star trek made before 2009 have you?

>>213309731
Decent episode but not a bottle episode, which by definition must take place entirely on the ship

i had one of those dreams where I'm in a threatening situation but in the dream I'm physically paralyzed and make so much effort to move i jerk myself awake from a dead sleep.

>>213309777
trips of total embarrassment and retardation

>>213309777
Yeah, you haven't seen TOS. You're a cliffnote reading faggot who is exposing yourself hard.

The only footage from the pilot is a brief exterior shot of the starbase and a few images of computer read outs. None of the story shots are clips from anything.
You are a moron and I'm glad I don't share a time zone with you so I don't have to read your terrible posts all day.

>>213309804
I agree, that VOY-loving boomer got annihilated

>>213309791
A thought a bottle episode was one using a minimum number of sets to save money or something

>>213309438
No. Its all way too shit to hate watch. Its not even hate really./ More disgust. Like what the hell are the thinking kind of incredulousness when you see a trailer for a new show thats instantly repulses and disgusts you. Its not even worth watching reviews where other people shit on it.

>>213309739
>>213309791
ah my bad. I thought it meant "episode not tied into larger serialized story" now I know

>>213309810
>The only footage from the pilot is a brief exterior shot of the starbase and a few images of computer read outs.
Shit, my bad. I was thinking of The Menagerie
This is because Court Martial is even more unbelievably forgettable
>oh shit everything's on the line!!!
>now there's people arguing around a table!!
>oh good everything resolves to exactly the way it was as the episode opened
This is awful. At least The Doomsday Machine gave us something to care about

>>213309749
same, he's pretty cool

>>213309804
>>213309816
>>213309859
Don't ever talk to me about Star Trek again. Fucking hell.

>>213309849
Knowing's half the battle Anon

I don't understand why you have to shit on TNG and TOS - which you haven't watched - to tell us you love Ent. it's giving desperate for attention.

>ENT-anon thinks Court Martial is The Menagerie
>thinks The Cage sucked
>complains about court room episodes
>meanwhile this is one of the best ENT episodes
Your posts are a parody of good sense and judgment.

>>213309877
>samefagging in your defense of one of the worst episodes in the franchise, which you think is a good episode
>against someone who pointed out your shit taste killed the franchise, which it did
Deeply embarrassing
You killed Star Trek and got it handed over to JJ. Now its rotten corpse has become so decomposed and slimy, they can't even make it jerk anymore

>>213309920
The Cage massively sucked. That's why what replaced it, and succeeded, was totally different.

>>213309570
So by your logic:
>VOY was made for the fanbase and ENT was made for normies
>VOY got 7 seasons and ENT got only 4, which is somehow the fanbase's fault, and not the normies' fault for not watching, or the producer's fault for lack of overall quality, or the parent company for giving it a dead time slot
>Now we're getting slop worse than ENT because the producers decided to cater to normies and not the fanbase, which is somehow still the fanbase's fault and not the normies' or producer's fault
I think you are wrong, stupid, and should take your medication

>>213309930
You didn't even know what episode I was talking about you absolute pea-brained plebian. How did you wander into a Star Trek thread?

I liked Regeneration, but overall I'd say Ent was mid tier
t. dumb Carbon Creek poster

>>213309720
No they didn't. In fact Tom and Harry went to party in the holodeck just a few hours after Voyager had lost 11% of their energy reserves to the living nebula thing. Though that being said, they invited Janeway in to come party in the holodeck at the end of the episode when they had lost even more energy reserves and Janeway was like "oh fuck yeah a pool table let's party" so it's possible it takes more energy to replicate a single coffee than it does to run the holodeck for multiple days.

>>213310017
Janeway was an idiot tho. Starfleet didnt send their best.

Everyone is stupid except for me
>In episodic television, a bottle episode or bottle show is an episode produced cheaply and restricted in scope to use as few regular cast members, effects and sets as possible.
Carry on

>>213309946
>still can't read
TNG was incredibly popular with normies. It created the modern franchise
DS9 got immense creative leeway because of TNG's popularity, but was a ratings disappointment
VOY was the result of UPN saying "no more of that complicated shit, just make TNG again, normies liked that"
So they made an episodic morality play with an ensemble cast, like TNG was. However, VOY was an unending stream of bland boring gruel that was completely uninteresting to everyone except speakers of Klingonese and other adherents of the made-up religion of Space Mormonism, and the concept of the show meant they couldn't even tie it into the interesting existing parts of the franchise, like Klingons, except with increasingly-ridiculous premises
ENT was an attempt to save the franchise and make something closer to TOS, a science fiction adventure show focused on 3 main characters who'd grow over the series.
The nerds who were the only people demanding more bland Space Mormon episodic morality plays (You) were furious that they weren't getting more bland Space Mormon episodic morality plays and complained on the internet, and nobody else wanted to watch another bland show about Space Mormons

>>213310051
>The term likely came from Star Trek producer Robert H. Justman, who referred to inexpensive episodes made with limited sets and cast as being “like a ship in a bottle” — contained, self-limiting, and resource-efficient. This metaphor reportedly evolved into the shorthand "bottle show", which was then picked up more broadly in TV production circles. It refers to episodes which take place exclusively on the ship.
You posted the broader interpretation that other shows aped later. TOS is quite literally the origin of the term and it's specific to the ship.

>>213309986
I think Twilight was probably the best ENT episode 2bh. Bakula always managed to elevate Blalock into a good actress and their scenes were great
The S4 ones with the all the fanservice were fun but those two had some of the best chemistry ever on TV

>>213307354
So what happened with STD Klingons? They suddenly disappear or mutated into old klingons?

>>213310119
They became twinks

>>213310084
I kneel, that’s pretty cool

>>213310119
I believe they tried the desperate retcon of "uhh Klingons shave off all their hair during war!!!" despite the Klingons having been depicted pretty much constantly at war and always having hair
In reality, it's because Kurtzman really thought he was going to be Game Of Thrones in space and wanted everyone to see how different HIS series was in every way to all that shit that came before

>>213308287
Yeah put Prodigy and Lower decks into F tier where they belong, retard.

>>213310155
>Prodigy
>Lower Decks
>worse than Discovery and Picard

>>213310155
I thought LD was pretty good, but TAS and Prodigy can def be knocked down a couple

>>213308534
How in the fuck Gem Hadar could have a baby? They were literally made in labs.

>>213310219
They cant. NuTrek is shit as usual.

ATTENTION /trek/ WORKERS

This is a THREADLY REMINDER: that ALL post-ENT Star Trek is not Star Trek at all, just generic sci-fi slop with a Trek logo slapped on the side for marketing purchases

None of it is good
The writing isn't good
The costumes aren't good
The sets aren't good
If you like it, you are fucking retarded and not welcome here.

THAT IS ALL.

>>213310188
At least with TAS and Prodigy you don't get the clear sense that the creators hate Star Trek, hate that they have to make Star Trek and hate you for liking Star Trek, which is very much the case for STD and PIC, and the sense that the creators are desperately hoping to earn a spot writing on a Marvel show, like SNW

>>213310259
I like LD and SNW, get over it

>>213310274
You can like trash and I can call you a tasteless faggot for it. Seethe, anon. Seethe, cope, and sputter, but you will always be the underclass here -- the neanderthals of /trek/. Sub-human and persecuted.

>>213310219
>>213310249
>the pod-grown genetically engineered supersoldier slave race
>who are explicitly defined as exclusively male
>and who are also defined as extremely short-lived

>are now proud fat body-positive black wymyn of space color!!

That's more of "They hate Star Trek, hate that they have to make Star Trek, and hate you for liking Star Trek"

>>213310274
>>213310313
LD is fine for what it is, it's a stupid comedy but it takes the heart of Star Trek seriously. First season is unbearable, then it gets fun.
SNW is terrible and the only reason anyone tolerates it is Beaten Wife Syndrome
>today he only hit me when I talked back too much!
>he loves me, I can tell! and he's so much better than when he was drinking that Discovery stuff!
>you know, when he was on the third season of Picard he kept talking about the good times we used to have, and how he wishes we had the old car, those were such good times!!

>>213310274
It's fairly clear the people who made LD liked trek, its a fun ride once you get past a kinda forgetable first season. I wasn't a big fan of SNW's second season and am on the fence about the third so far, but the first season was a good time. Don't feel like you need validation from /trek/ about liking a series.

This is a THREADLY REMINDER: that ALL post-THE CAGE Star Trek is not Star Trek at all

yeah, I'm LD/SNW enjoyer and Starfleet academy looks kinda ass

>>213310381
Based, fuck these zoomer new jacks with their T"O"S

>>213310259
Chadwes here, I have travelled across time and space and this is the absolute truth of the universe.

>>213310381
Based Pike enjoyer

Again, nu trek faggots:

It isn't NEW BAD, OLD GOOD
It's GOOD GOOD, BAD BAD.

Nu Trek just fucking sucks. LD is a a reddit humor parody written by the worst of the Rick and Morty guys and SNW is Star Trek for people too dumb to enjoy Star Trek.

>>213310381
The Cage actually works perfectly as a standalone short film. I went through a period where I watched it every day for like two weeks because it's just so interestingly written, acted, staged, etc.

>>213310454
I'm not saying they're as good as TOS, TNG, or DS9 because they aren't. I'm not saying Disco or Picard are good because they aren't. I'm enjoying LD and SNW at least as much as I enjoyed Voy and Ent though, if not more.

>>213310454
hahaha such is life

>>213310515
>disco instead of STD
Yep, xhe's a shill alright.

>>213310017
maybe they saved up their recreational energy rations
you're right tho, they didn't do 'the living off scraps all alone' aspect very well. would've been neat to see the frankenship by the end with a random replacement nacelle, a bunch of scorch marks, hull patching, and maybe an extra external torpedo tube or disruptor or two

>>213310537
I just said it's bad though?

>>213310080
>still
That's my first reply to you schizo. Meds now.

>>213310574
no u

>>213310583
/trek/ is my home though.

You, on the other hand, are a toontroon from /co/ and need to go back there or to plebbit or whatever hellhole you crawled out of, you disgusting faggot.

>>213310593
I wandered over from /ptg/, you're right though it can be a pretty gross hellhole sometimes

I should clarify, the one on /g/ about sharing media like Trek BDrips not the one on /pol/

>>213310593
be nice anon, at least he has an open mind

>>213310645
>be nice
No, anon. FUCK YOU.
I will not be nice.

These people have ruined Star Trek, something good and positive and uplifting, one of the few forward-looking, optimistic pieces of media we've produced in the past hundred or so fucking years. They've dragged it down into the modern abyss of grimdark edgy bullshit and sullied it with their conceited ironies and their predictable subversions and all because we didn't gatekeep them hard enough.

Fuck them and fuck you.
The line must be drawn HERE.
HERE AND NO FURTHER, anon.

>>213310454
>It isn't NEW BAD, OLD GOOD
>It's GOOD GOOD, BAD BAD.
maybe the crews of star trek of any given era represents the "best case scenario" for humanity based on the current state of society's youth, or maybe it's a coincidence that nu trek is full of retarded cowardly men and poorly behaved 'girlbosses'. hard to say really

>>213310178
Anything lower then C doesnt even exist for Star Trek

>>213310259
So true. It honestly baffling to me when people praise this new shit.

>>213310378
>it takes the heart of Star Trek seriously.
You are just retarded. Literally nothing in LD is serious.

>>213307453
TNG 'Remember Me', VOY 'Twisted', DS9 'Civil Defense'.

it's a shame doug jones was wasted on such a dumpster fire
at least he got the vulcan qt by the end

>>213310017
You seem to forget Paris mentioned it's holographic wine

>>213309438
>Do people not hate watch anymore?
Genuine question: why would you hate watch something? If I think something is garbage I prefer to see as little as possible of it.

Do I start with TOS or go right to TNG?

>>213309438
Not even bother to pirate this shit.

>>213310891
Start with the Greeks

>>213310891
its different for people i started with TOS but many started fron TNG. YOu can go with TNG just skip first season first.

>>213310891
If you like old movies and old TV, definitely TOS. If you get filtered by black and white movies and the acting in older films, start with TNG.

>>213310891
either is probably fine tbqdesu. I started with TNG

>>213307311
>White Klingon
Was it thought to be racist if they made him brown again?

>>213310877
Ah you're right, he tells Kim that it's holographic so he won't have heartburn from it the next day. Does holographic wine get you drunk while you're on the holodeck?

>>213310772
>Literally nothing in LD is serious.
They take Star Trek very seriously, or what actually makes Star Trek Star Trek.
Star Trek at its emotional core is about smart, talented, morally good people, in a future you wish you could live in, exploring the universe and trying to do the right thing when things get hard.
LD is a dumb 21st century ADHD "adult" cartoon but it understands the heart of Star Trek perfectly and takes pains not to shit on that

Compare with the rest of post-ENT Trek which is either awful generic grimdark sci-fi wearing the skin of Star Trek settings and characters, or in the case of SNW a low-tier Marvel Disney+ show wearing the skin of Star Trek settings and characters

>>213307483
Denise Crosby quit halfway through the first season. And they still had her back to be in some pretty good 'sodes. But her quitting was bad. She was one of the more established names in the cast. Her quitting could've tanked the show. But, they weren't that spiteful with her. Whereas, the way the killed off Jadzia. And then in the final montage of Dax. It was all Ezri clips. That was spiteful.

Kes. Like Travis Maywaether too. Were characters that the shows just never really figured out what to do with.

>>213310891
TOS, TNG, DS9, ENT is the patrician order

>>213311038
SNW isn't nearly as bad as the MCU/SW slop D+ is churning out. Sure not all of the episodes are good, but they drop some gems too

>>213311038
>about smart, talented, morally good people, in a future you wish you could live in
What this have to do with LD?

>>213307483
>I'm not sure why they would have made such an episode.
Because the producers of VOY had the genuinely insane idea to make the rest of the main cast boring on purpose in order to elevate Neelix, Kes, and the Doctor, who were supposed to sort of be the "real" main characters
Sadly they miscast the fuck out of 2 of those roles. Ethan Phillips just did not have the charisma to make Neelix work, the actress who played Kes spiraled into drug addiction and psychosis and had to be written off the series fast, and only Picardo as the Doctor became a great character
The behind the scenes drama from that show is amazing stuff to look up, just an absolute clusterfuck of terrible ideas from the basic premise to the instructions to the cast of a drama to deliberately try to be uninteresting watch to, later, the genius idea of who they desperately chose for a series villain to be the Monster of the Week
My favorite is story of Robert Beltran realizing he'd been duped and that Chakotay's "first ever respectful and deep portrayal of a Native American character" was in fact a bunch of nonsene bullshit written by a Jewish imposter, and his character had nothing to do, but he couldn't quit because his contract said that'd void his precious residuals -- so he kept demanding more money after every season hoping to get fired, but the producers would just agree and at the end he was the highest-paid cast member -- lol.

>>213311134
Nigger they're Starfleet officers, literally the best of the best
People who give up a painless existence in a paradise future, in order to claw through the toughest Academy in the galaxy, in order start at the bottom of the chain of command on a tube of metal surrounded by horrible death, in the only remaining field of work where you can and likely will die a horrible death on the job, purely in the hopes of expanding the understanding of the universe.

>>213311168
>Robert Beltran
So he was a real jew in the end?

>>213311038
>LD takes pains to not shit on star trek
Give me a fuckin break man. You're just talking about fanservice. And yeah they did a lot of fanservice, but It's orders of magnitude easier to do fanservice in a cartoon than it is in live action. I haven't watched a single episode of LD but I know this to be true to my very core

>>213311212
What this has to do with LD? Show me a single character in this slop that acted like an officer.

>>213308621
Can they stop putting this fucking cunt on media? she is fucking ugly and not funny and cant act if her life was depending on it.

>>213311219
Once he realized his "deeply researched respectful backstory" was a bunch of lies from a literal Jew scammer, he knew he must become the Jew to win
>>213311229
>I haven't watched a single episode of LD but I know this to be true to my very core
Just start with S2. Despite people acting goofy, it is literally the only post-ENT Trek that doesn't shit on the heart of Star Trek, why people used to watch it
Or you can have another generic grimdark sci fi show, or a LOLSOWACKY Marvel show, wearing the rotting corpse of Star Trek as a skinsuit. Your call
>>213311241
>What this has to do with LD? Show me a single character in this slop that acted like an officer.
They all do in the end, that's the point of the show. They're all extremely green except for the one ensign who is fucked up because she was friends with a TNG ensign who died in the line of duty, and she blames herself for helping convince that ensign to go on a mission that got her killed
Under all the retardation and ADHD there's respect for what is actually good about the franchise, making it unique in post-ENT Trek

>>213311320
>Just start with S2. Despite people acting goofy, it is literally the only post-ENT Trek that doesn't shit on the heart of Star Trek, why people used to watch it
No, I will not.
It is not that I do not believe you are telling the truth. I simply do not believe you know what you are talking about.

>>213311320
>Under all the retardation and ADHD there's respect
Sounds like a lot of cope.

nuTrek ranking:
STD>SNW>LD>STP

Tell me Major, if DS9 is so great then why is it the least referenced show in media?

>>213311553
you mean SNW>LD>STD>STP

>>213311460
>No, I will not.
That's fine, enjoy missing out on the only new Trek that doesn't actively punish you for daring to like the franchise.
Also episodes with Frakes doing Riker as Captain of the Titan are fun.

>>213311549
>silly ADHD comedy that respects what makes Star Trek Star Trek, takes a season to get good
>8 seasons of generic awful grimdark sci-fi wearing Star Trek as a skinsuit while actually shitting on everything Star Trek actually was
>NOW! 3 seasons of generic quippy Marvel sci-fi wearing Star Trek as a skinsuit while actually having nothing to do with Star Trek (the Gorn are basically xenomorphs now, and biofilters don't work for some reason!)
Them's your choices anon

>>213309875
you're alright pally

>>213311666
You better be taking good care of him Satan

>>213311598
the fact that it is the least referenced show in media is evidence of its greatness, of course. plebs care about that sort of thing; patricians are content to enjoy the great moments and stories within the series on their own terms.

I'm gonna say it.
ENT is the 3rd best trek.

>>213311647
>silly ADHD comedy
yeah a ton of cope.

>>213311964
Hell yes, brother. 100% agree. #1 LOW #2 DISCO #3 ENT

Why is Voyager so based?

>>213311964
You can say it as much as you like. Doesn't make it higher than 5th

>>213312297
voytranny pls go

>>213312325
yikes

[Sigh[
Somehow... Kahless has returned...

>>213312434
da bat'leth pls

Is it an unpopular opinion to say I don't like the Captain Proton parts of Voyager? We got it the first time

>>213312682
I thought it was okayish, wasn't a big fan of most of those. I'm sure there are anons who love it and anons who hate it

>>213311006
Doubt it that doesn't make any sense, but then the hand wave that the holodeck is on a different power source makes no sense either

>>213312682
I'm honestly a big fan of it.

>>213311656
It's funny how America got the good Abraham amd the Jews got the bad one

>>213312520
What an obnoxious looking cunt. The mere sight of her face drives me up the wall. Jesus.

>>213310889
so you can point and laugh at it

>>213312755
>the holodeck is on a different power source makes no sense either
it does when you realize the amount of fuckery that happened because it was tied into main power in TNG. it kinda makes sense from a watsonian perspective

>>213313015
cry about it

>>213313299
I suppose the real dumb thing is "the energy matrix isn't compatible with the rest of the ship"

>>213313968
I s'pose so, but maybe that's to prevent moriartys from highjacking the ship

>>213314204
Sure we'll go with that

>>213307311
>That's also clearly a Worf head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7mN3_Ze10M

>>213314300
thats exactly retarded humor LD morons love.

Are there any actual good trek games?

>>213314807
no not really their are ok ones however

>>213314485
and LDS is worse because it's set within the context of the star trek universe, all of these characters making fourth-wall breaking jokes, and the wiki says yes yes this is 900% canon right there.

Aw shit not them.

LOL

/trek/ should have a weekly movie night where we watch episodes
idk how one would set it up tho, cytube or smth i guess
it wont be me doing it

>>213314807
starfleet academy is but its very very old now, however its getting fan mod remasters constantly a new one came out just last year I haven't played it yet but the screenshots look excellent

The time has come for the glorious nation of Peru to assert itself on the global stage.

>>213315616
>A planetary government built on perfect order.

>>213315075
>>213315616
How come star trek has so many nazi 'sodes?

>>213315707
Maybe cuz Rodenberry actual faught them idk

>>213315798
I have no idea why I spelled fought that way I'm sorry

>>213315813
Yes, I was a bit taken aback.

>>213315260
Nigga turn your tv on and watch H&I every weeknight

>>213307311
>You're telling me the general public remembers Larroquette played a Klingon in Star Trek III 40 years ago?
the night court viewing audience does, I did.

1. qrd on pic rel?
2. who signs a nazi picture?

Just how hard did these vermin seethe when they got their comeuppance?

>>213308287
Gosh, it's almost like Star Trek is a middling sci-fi franchise whose days of originality were nearly sixty years ago.

>>213315707
you mean whole ONE episode?

>>213316115
you sound bitter and hateful, just like nutrek writers

>>213309438
This is why MST3K is my favorite show of all time; it's basically hate-watching old movies. Rifftrax even did one episode of Star Trek Phase II.

>>213316108
when was that? they basically faced no consequences for anything they did

>>213316139
I can coun the number of nazi star trek episodes on one hand there are 5

>>213316115
yet modern fuckers do nothing EXCEPT REMAKES. Yeah who needs this old shit. totally.

>>213310259
This is YOUR threadly reminder that mindlessly shitting on "nuTrek" only fuels righteous indignation among its fans, who are then motivated to stay in this thread and post about "nuTrek" endlessly. Your piss-poor attitude is causing the very thing you decry. It's almost like you have absolutely no experience with real life.

>>213316257
>It's almost like you have absolutely no experience with real life.
no hikkikomori shaming pls

>>213310313
Your tastes aren't objective, and acting like the bullies that persecuted you in middle school doesn't make you a big man. Quite the opposite, actually.

>>213310706
Yeah, I can feel your positivity practically seeping through the screen. Do you have any self-awareness at all?

>>213316257
>fans
don't you mean fan?

>>213308287
The Bond series ended up the same way. "Villain wants revenge" is the plot to 90% of action movies these days.

>>213314807
major grin’s youtube remakes of tng had some gems, really made picard into a villain.
>space….
>the final
>bitch

>>213316589
definitely read that as trek memes because i’m a faggot

>>213311598
>public opinion is the ultimate arbiter of greatness
no self-awareness whatsoever. just another sheep

rate my Voy season 3 watch and didn't watch

>>213315877
yeah but we cannot watch it together like HOMIES

>>213316257
>>213316299
>>213316330
>WAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!

>>213316257
>>213316299
>>213316330
hi singular anon, it seems you made three posts instead of replying to multiple anons in one post

>>213316144
"bitter and hateful" perfectly describes the old trek grandpas seething about anything they consider "nu trek". not surprising that you lack the self-awareness to realize that. just part of the onset of old-age dementia

hello singular anon

>>213316831
aww widdle baby is angy

nu trek tranny is bitterly seething again I see

>>213316719
no. self. awareness. whatsoever.

>>213314807
Klingon Academy is really good but buggy.
Elite Force is basically a decent Voyager episode.
Armada is an interesting RTS with some decent mechanics.
Birth of the Federation is good only cause you can gas the Bajorans and blame the Federation for it.

>>213311460
good call. you are not missing anything. its a non canon parady cartoon

he's projecting so hard he'll never get that being proud of an ai generated cartoon you made to OWN THE LIBS is the most senile, dementia-addled, estranged from your adult children and grandchildren, Facebook-posting, dialysis machinated, adult diapershitting behavior imaginable

>>213316831
Nah my grandfather and I had different taste
It's a gen zero
They see a thing
Don't know about a thing
Bitch for attention
Get corrected
Ask bitvhy questions they would know the answer to if they watchec it
Get called names then ignored
Repeat
Gen Z is now Gen Zero cause they have no balls
They'll be the first to just shrug and accept censoring, tyranny etc

>>213316873
Klingon and starfleet academy have both been updated endlessly over the years I'd suggest you revist them sometime, the updates are fanmade and top notch. Elite Force I really wish someone would do an hd update. Armada and armada to is ok and contray to my previous suggestions the update mods are trash, stick with the og. Birth of the federation is Masters of Orion with a bad knockoff engine, but yes you get to gas bajor and who doesn't want to make it a graveyard the likes of which the galaxy hasn't seen

Can we please stop arguing over the new shows and let people enjoy what they want?

>>213316711
We can and we do. Just discuss it here.

>>213316708
Sacred Ground and Coda I get. They are very bad. Kes and Ckakotay 'sodes. Skipable.

Nut, you're skipping B'Elanna and Harry and Doctor ones too? Favourite Son is borderline. Remember is OK. Blood Fever and Real Life are good.

But truly, You have to watch them all. VOY isn't like DS9. Where you can just skip half the 'sodes.

>>213316859
>>213316864
So, you mean exactly what the old trek grandpas have been doing the entire thread? Once again, total self-awareness fail.

>>213316945
Ask the gen zeroer

toontroon is going full schizo brace for spam

>>213316859
This

>>213316945
I enjoy gatekeeping star trek. now what, fag?

>>213316962
Nigga that's homosexual slang used
It's an old term trolls who were looking at homosexual reddit got confused on
It means soldier id like to fuck

>>213316951
Real Life makes me angry only Doc ep I skipped, Harry your god damn right I skipped them. Blood Fever I was considering I actually haven't gotten to it yet I'm on fair trade right now I was almost considering not skipping it I just remember it being very stupid.

>>213316980
no it doesn't kiddo, spam was from monty python and became common for emails spamming your inbox, the more you know

Tuvok is one of the best space negroes that isnt gay ever

>>213316976
then you can go to /b/ where trolling isn't against the rules. unless you think there's no reason anyone here should respect the rules of the board

>>213317001
I like Harry.

>>213316976
Based. Gatekeeping is necessary.

>>213317122
I always follow the rules of the board my friend

>>213317106
if theres one thing we learned for Voy is that if you want a Vulcan character get an actor who is obsessed with Vulcans and basically is one Irl only Tim and of course Nimoy gets it, both of them said out side of work their spouses would often say
>stop it your being vulcan again
if their is one type of character you need a method actor for its vulcans

>>213317122
trolling isn't gatekeeping, what your doing is trolling or at least you attempt to

>>213317141
we know Garrett we know

>>213317206
Calling out seethers, bullies, and petty tyrants isn't trolling.

>>213315877
>H&I
What plays on Saturday and Sunday?

>>213307035 (OP)
Reading over some of these posts... I'm astonished to learn anyone dislikes ENT that much. It will always be a mistake they ended it so soon.

kek nu trek fucking SUCKS

>>213317334
lol you act like you are disassociated from the rest of your constant spam, everyone has seen how you act you are doing it right now, pretty soon you'll spiral into spamming cartoons and the same tired imgs over and over, its like you refuse to acknowledge reality...oh wait lol thats your entire life.

>>213317367
kek I fucked up my tripcode, almost as badly as they fucked up Nu Trek

>>213316257
>This is YOUR threadly reminder that mindlessly shitting on "nuTrek"
>mindlessly
Tell them to stop mindlessly making garbage

>>213317398
What's wrong, anon, isn't
>teen drama but everyone is fat and black
and
>resort planet where everyone is unknowingly being televised
what Star Trek is all about???

>>213310891
Start with TOS. Then you can watch TAS. Then the TOS Movies. Then.. finally, TNG.

>>213317389
What's hilarious is that it's no different from the way you act, yet you seem incapable of grasping that. Total self-awareness fail. And you wonder why this continues to happen, totally missing that it's your atrocious behavior that led to this in the first place. It's like you're punching yourself in the head and whining "Ow, it hurts when I do this! Make me stop!"

Guys Nu Trek is NOT mindless and they definitely had holodecks in the TOS timeline, c'mon!

>>213317761
It was called the Rec Room in TAS.

>>213317755
no its not, you have mental problems, last (you) you bizarre mentally ill troll

Nah you guys are just being overly judgmental about Nu Trek

It makes perfect sense that the ROMULAN STAR EMPIRE, a vast interstellar empire encompassing hundreds of star systems, could be utterly destroyed by a single super nova which forces their entire population to become refugees and then only Earth can take on refugees because forget about all of those colony planets from TOS and TNG where 10,000 people are living on an ENTIRE PLANET and there's plenty of room and plenty of M-class planets for everyone...

Anyway, don't be an old fuddy duddy! Give it a chance!

>>213317761
can we just ignore the mentally damaged tranny pls? here least annoying tripfag something else to discuss Voy season 3 any thoughts?
>>213316708

Does synthehol even do anything? Why not just have non alcoholic drinks? Is there also some kind of synthabis in the future as well?

>>213317359
keep spittin

>>213317920
yes it gets you buzzed but not drunk and you can shake off the effects quickly, it's a sci-fi drink that "simulates the effects of alcohol" but you can just shake it off

>>213317878
I think S3 is the weakest season of Voyager. When Michael Piller left and Jeri Taylor had to solo the entire thing, they really lost their sense of direction.

>>213318027
its very hit and miss Jeri is fine when it comes to individual episodes but she was a bad show runner, say what you will about braga but at least he had a direction

>>213314807
Stellaris Star Trek mod, if you’re into that sort of thing

>>213318094
I agree, S4-5 are the strongest Voyager got.
S6-7 of course they start phoning it in.

Watching the "Course: Oblivion" episode of Voyager. What the fuck? I can imagine this pissed a lot of people off. Is it saying that the last 20 episodes were really the duplicates this whole time, so all their experiences and growth don't matter? Or were we still watching the real Voyager crew then, and they just cut to the duplicates POV for this one episode?

would you watch a show about a Klingon Crew?
And it had the same art direction as Spartacus?

>>213318265
No. Fuck off

>>213318256
it just cut to the duplicates for that episode Voy is very dumb lots of the time, its a very dumb episode

>>213317878
Sure, I can ignore him. S3 of VOY is interesting, it has some good stuff but so does S2. If anything it's a bit of a lull before S4 takes off and the show gets better imo.

they need to unapologetically just make another 90s Star Trek. Even in terms of the visual quality of it.

Unapologetically. Full on.

>>213318150
It never feels like Trek to me sadly, it just feels like I'm playing Total War in space with Trek factions.
It's hard to play the Federation because there's an impetus on expansion, so it really only works lore wise if you play some mindless expansionist power like the Borg.

>>213318328
ironically enough Mcfarlan tried, he really did, and they told him to fuck off so he made his own star trek with black jack and hookers

>>213318292
Yeah lol. I just read this quote from one of the writers, "We didn't want to answer a lot of questions, like how long has that ship been out there? Some of the episodes that we saw earlier in the season, was it that crew? Or was it the real crew? It's kind of intriguing to think about." Seems like they intended it to be ambiguous

>>213318307
I'm looking forward to s4, but I haven't had as bad a time as I thought it would even the episodes I remembered as bad, for instance Warlord was a lot of fun, that poor crazy drug addict really did have some acting chops shame how that played out

>>213318256
My biggest nitpick with this episode is everyone still going along with 'Janeway' after everyone found out the truth. Tom even says 'why are we still following your orders?', and no one does anything after that

>>213318370
>so he made not Star Trek
wow cool. why is he being skilled here so hard the past few days? fuck off.

>>213318414
Yeah evil Kes is good, evil Doctor in Darkling is also good

>>213318423
wat? I haven't seen a orville post in ages what do you mean?

>>213318423
shilled*

>>213318328
I want that too. The old sets/tech. Presented in 4:3 ratio. The dramatic musical stings leading into ad breaks. I'd love it

>>213318435
yea looking forawrd to that one, finished up fair trade now funnily enough the "dark neelix" ep. Its ok I've realized when he's being sincere and not a cringy clown he's not bad, writing issue I suppose as the actor is quite good at sincere, shame talaxians look like as Q said
>filthy bar rodents

>>213318307
Once Kes left and they dropped the Kazon race, I started enjoying Voyager a lot more

>>213318676
its not just 7 being super hot well that helps but it just gets better

>>213318452
you're not fucking slick, shill
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/text/orville/

>>213317816
More projection from the NEET. This is just sad. How old were you when your mommy put you on psychiatric meds?

It’s time for the /trek/… to end.

>>213318738
okay I haven't noticed them but fine w/e don't really care that anon was wishing for normal real trek and thats as close as we've gotten in the last 10+ years, the show is over no? idk what the point of shilling it would be but fine

>>213318867
>>213318867
NEW THREAD

>>213318328
>>213318506
You know they're not going to. You even know why. Literally no fan demographic of significant size to warrant the expense. You could create your own with AI text-to-video, but you seethe about that too. Face it, grandpa...the world has passed you by, and you haven't even lived yet.

NEW THREAD FUCK NUTREK
>>213318867

>>213318867

>>213318867

>>213318738
also what did your link mean? thats the total of every mention in the archives hwat?

>>213318423
presumably because aside from the poop humor seth is so fond of, it's the closest thing to trek we've gotten since ent

>>213318917
ur so assmad lol

>>213318359
You’re not wrong, I only play as the borg and maybe sometimes the Dominion. I like map painting, I’m a simple man

>>213318265
I feel like the one tng episode with Riker on the klingot ship tells us everything we need to know

>>213318738
I love reddit detective posts, they're always so pathetic

>>213319091
feel the icy cold, clammy hand of death on your shoulder yet, grandpa? you will