Thread 213311954

>wasn't the next Arnold
Was it because he's too doofy to be intimidating?

>>213311954 (OP)
He's a professional wrestler. They're all doofy.

>>213311954 (OP)
No it's because he's a shit actor.

Arnold also made fun of himself in comedy action or comedy movies: Kindergartren Cop, Last Action Hero and Twins.

The Rock has a clause that he can't be shown weak. He is a mark. He is the most superficial Hollywood actor and he isn't even a nepobaby (not by Hollywood standards).

>>213311954 (OP)
arnold was goofy as hell and that's his super power.
the rock just isn't funny at all

>>213312043
was arnold a good actor?

>>213312065
Yes unrionically

>>213312065
He's streets ahead of the pebble at least

>>213311954 (OP)
Arnold wasn't a whiny bitch like he is
Arnolds biggest role was as a villain who gets killed at the end, the rock took the role of a high B list characters secondary main villain and wanted to turn him into a solo hero

>>213312322
Are you talking about... is Black Adam the Scorpion King?

>>213311954 (OP)
The hierarchy of power is about to change.

>>213312065
The best.

>>213311954 (OP)
In the Rock’s defense : they don’t make movies as good as they did when Arnold was king

>>213312408
>hierarchy of power
is that like verticals?

>>213311954 (OP)
Doesn't have the charisma Arnold has.

>>213312065
better than the rock

>>213311954 (OP)
he's a self mark and his ego is to big, he could be a major DC villain but he had to lose to shazam and he wanted to fight and beat superman to feed his ego.

>>213312065
Arnold ran circles around the industry for twenty years while having the most retarded accent known to man. So yes, he's a fucking good actor.

>>213312614
>>213312586
true but like, i'm just saying, if he was in terminator it wouldn't be scary. i think that's important

>>213312065
>GET TO THEE CHOPPA! DO EEET! DO EEET NAU!!!!

Arnold was entertaining as hell to watch, and that's all that counts.

>>213312635
Acting is making people believe that you're feeling something and not believe you're trying to appear to be feeling that thing. It's not to do with making money

>>213311954 (OP)
The accent and mannerisms are a huge part of Arnold's charisma, like when he gets hit and does the "YeAghrr!" sound

>>213311954 (OP)
His head is too round and bald

>>213312685
>making people believe that you're feeling something and not believe you're trying to appear to be feeling that thing
Literally what he did in the 80's just by being a muscle bound oaf, so good job you played yourself. Stupid assholes still think that was a real log in Commando.

There will never be a new Arnold. But Dwayne is unironically the closest thing even if he's far behind.

>>213311954 (OP)
A major reason is because Hollywood doesn't have any action auteurs, like John McTiernan or Paul Verhoeven, that could use The Rock to make action classics.

>>213312780
I think the difference is, Arnold doing comedy actually works out, but with the Rock it's hit or miss.

>>213311954 (OP)
it's because Arnold became hella annoying and everyone realised what a colossal wanker he was, so he kind of ruined it for everyone in the running to replace him.

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>>213312851
Stallone won

>>213313106
Arnie tricked him into doing stop or my mom will shoot. Stallone never recovered.

>>213311954 (OP)
Arnie started as just muscles and then expanded to a bigger range of roles.
Rock started doing more stuff and then retracted into just muscles

>>213313366
What a chad move from Arnold. One of the all time great Hollywood japes

>>213313455
Yeah, pretty hilarious. I do wish they made a movie together in their prime instead of waiting till they were both geriatrics.

Wasn't it just because he was a cunt with a massive ego who takes himself too seriously?
That's the impression I got from reading about his antics anyway.

>>213312065
To become a movie star, you don't necessarily need to be a great actor, having great charisma is more important.
"Good" character actors actors are rarely the stars, they are cast in supporting roles.

>>213312065
He was more masculine, more charismatic and wasn't afraid to do different types of roles (hero, villain, comedic etc). He also wasn't afraid to lose fights while the Dwayne has it in his contract that no one can beat him in fake movie fights. Finally, Arnold did R-rated kinos, while the pebble only does family friendly shlock.

>>213312614
This is the most ridiculous thing about him. He specifically brought back Henry Cavill because he wanted to go over in a fake fight. This is Hulk Hogan-tier politicing.

>>213312052
But Arnold still looked manly when he was being made fun of, while Rock would always pull that "whaaaaa?" look.
Rock has the build, but he's just not a manly man. His entire "CAN YOU SMELLLLL" was pretty much just an act, Dwayne is just a softie who brings the kids to school while Arnold smoked stogies and grabbed asses.

>>213313928
Everyone knows the Rock is gay. He always looks super zesty next to Arnold.

>>213311954 (OP)
>wasn't the next arnold
No shit, he plays the Rock in every film. Arnold can't act but his films are still varied.

>>213313855
>Arnold did R-rated kinos, while the pebble only does family friendly shlock.
Pain and gain was R rated. But yeah, the pebble has the charisma of wet cabbage

>>213314177
>Pain and gain was R rated.
He wasn't even the lead in that one, but okay.

>>213314153
>watch arnold movies as a kid
>wow he's so cool
>watch his movies now
>think about his hairline

I gotta stop coming here.

>>213314250
I'm a norwood 3 and I just shaved it all. Having hair is nice and all but it's just fuckin hair dude. I stopped stressing about this shit and never felt better in my life.

>>213314250
Stop worrying.

arnie had range despite the goofy accent, this dude only accepts actionslop roles where he can be le awesome badass sarcastic muscle guy

like he literally would’ve refused to play the terminator because it loses and dies

>>213314324
This is the kind of charisma the Rock doesn't have. Arnold is just naturally funny and likable while still being ultra-masculine. The Rock always looks like he's trying too hard.

>>213314288
I'm not bald, all the lookism threads have mind-raped me though.

>>213311954 (OP)

because being charismatic by WWE standards isn't the same as Hollywood charisma. it's like the minor leagues.

>>213311954 (OP)
Why are people acting like the ROck didnt have a crazy box office run from 2013–2019

>>213312065

https://youtu.be/6p3nmyTICo0?t=8

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>>213314397
He did but it was all forgetable slop. Arnold's kinography is insanely good.

>>213314416
Fair enough, he definetly just played himself and didn't really create any new franchises

>>213314403
Cheesy but enjoyable.

*is the most kino actor/wrestler*

>>213311954 (OP)
Basically

Schwarzenegger has charisma, presence, timing, and expert use of body language. Pebble has none of these things.

>>213312052
All true

>>213314524
It was kino.

>>213314397
name one flick that broke the box office because the cock was in it and not because he's agent is good and found good flicks to insert him into.

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>>213312065
He had charisma AND the wherewithal to work with good directors. Look at his 80s resume, he had several stone cold classics in there, and a bunch of top notch flicks too. He only fell off by the mid 90s or so. What GREAT films has the Rock been in?

>>213312685
Acting is about control, discipline, and simply selling the moment. In that regard, Schwarzenegger is an excellent performer. Even underrated I'd say.

>>213312065
He's like Brando compare to this bald brown faggot

>>213313855
Also had great comedic timing and knew how to pick roles

>>213314600
>What GREAT films has the Rock been in?

>>213312065
I noted that even Arnold realize his characters has become meme so he switched to do comedy which was a real smart move cause his comedy films are so good. The Rock also tried comedy but his comedy films are just bland.

>>213314395
Rock should play more heels

>>213314693
>ignores her bow
>but offers her a hand instead
Barbarian or not, he treats women rather well in the film

>>213311954 (OP)
Entitled millenial. Everyone told him he was heading that way so he just accepted it instead of working for it.

>>213314716
The title of the film make no sense when you see Conan backstory in the film. He wasn't a barbarian, he was a slave gladiator.

>>213311954 (OP)
head shaped like a fucking avocado

>>213312052
The rock was made fun of in The Tooth Fairy and I think a travolta movie.

He's too brown.
Only white men can get away with shitty acting.

The Rock has very little range. In all of his movie, I can guess what kind of character the Rock is going to be from the trailer alone. Compare that to Arnold where he can be a cop that hated his job but love teaching, a parody of himself or a naive strong guys and all were believable. Arnold knows to play to his strength and working with directors who know how to use him.

>>213312043
Hes actually not, but only when he plays a villain. Watch Pain & Gain, or Southland Tales. Problem is that he has a giant ego and refuses to actually play bad guys in supporting roles, which is what he is good at.

one is an organic man of men, the other is a freemason actor into butt stuff

>>213314600
>Conan the Barbarian
>The Terminator
>Predator
Three straight up classics in the 80s, most actors would kill to have those a few years apart.

>>213314735
>53 years old
>millenial

>>213312532
This. Big action movies are pretty much dead.

>>213312065
Conan, The terminator, great films with hardly any lines and he carries the whole thing with subtle gestures and presence, that's real acting. Predator, Commando, The Running Man, effectively perfect films. Many other great kinos and more than any other actor. Anyone saying he couldn't act doesn't know what acting is.

>>213312398
I thought he meant Hobbs from Fast & Furious but both answers fit the bill

>>213314177
He's actually good in pain and gain and shows if he wasn't such a fucking prima donna he could have had a real acting career

>>213315057
Nigger, they're making John Wick five with pensioner Keanu Reeves. The Rock could have made some hard-boiled R-rated action movies if he wanted to, but he chose to chase the big bucks from family movies instead.

>>213311954 (OP)
He used to be based, but became a faggot.

>>213311954 (OP)
no, its because modern films are shit

>>213311954 (OP)
>>213312043
>>213312065
No. They're both bad and scenes of lazy, over-budgeted and overrated slop. Watch something real like Shoplifters(2014) instead of power fantasy and cheesy "comedies"

>>213315110
>They're making John Wick 5
Case in point.

>>213311954 (OP)
>wasn't the next Arnold

But he was. Arnold was just around when action movies were a massive part of the American cultural zeitgeist. The Rock rose as an actor during it's decline. Its like asking why we've never gotten a good alien invasion flick since ID4

>>213314250
you should watch the Rock movies, he defeated his hairline

>>213315284
I posted the other webm because I'm tired of seeing this one

>>213315366
Are you retarded? The F&F movies made stupid amounts of money, but when Rocky tried his own spin-off, it bombed. Arnold also made better comedies too.

>>213315379
More like his hairline defeated him kek.

>>213315288
>Shoplifters(2014)
did you get the year right?

>>213315386
too bad

>>213315366
Arnold was in actually classic films, not solely forgettable action pap. The Rock wishes he was in ONE film on par with Conan, Terminator 1 or 2, Predator, or Total Recall.

>>213311954 (OP)
He tried to show his range in the beginning but it clearly wasn't working. Thus, he decided to play into the tough guy archetype to maintain his longevity in the industry.

>>213315366
Whenever someone says 'zeitgeist' you just know you're about to read something stupid

>>213312795
Arnold wasn't afraid to be the butt of a joke or make fun of himself for a comedy role. Dwayne has this weird thing about always being the strong man even in a comedy

>>213315443
But his earliest roles are his best roles. Probably the only time he played real characters instead of himself

>>213315459
Or play a villain. He was cast as the hero most of the time as he should be, but The Terminator was his most star making role, as a remorseless antagonist.

>>213315487
So great in that.

I hate the rock because he blew the one chance we've had at a newer Hercules movie that wasn't a shoestring budget direct to dvd affair

>>213311954 (OP)
It's all about the team you're surrounded with. Arnold came at the right time, when film budgets were ballooning and artistic visions were kept in check. Directors that cut their teeth on TV commercials were helming films. They didn't need, or want, an actor to carry the movie; they wanted a big meat stick who wouldn't be washed out in surrounding carnival of special effects. Much of that was fresh in the 80s, but today it's broadened into commonplace while the artistic visions have narrowed to a vanishing point. In short, the Rock is limited by the scripts on offer and the filmmakers that attach studio interest; same as Arnold, same as any actor.

>>213315512
This scene always bothered me.
He has fancy computer vision and shit, why does he need a laser sight? That's a crutch for human meatbags.

>>213315648
Oh and I'm catching this just now but a 40W plasma rifle?
40W isn't even enough to toast bread.

he couldn't capture enough verticals

>>213315643
What a bunch of bullshit, Rock is the producer on all his movies now, via his Seven Bucks Productions, and has been for years. He is making the movies he WANTS to make, forgettable action junk he gets paid a lot for.

>>213311954 (OP)
>they made him wear the dress
>in a movie

arnold hadn't sold his soul when he was still making movies so people enjoyed him in media unlike the rock

>>213315722
Arnold did a film where he was pregnant.

>>213315734
dabbing on all the trannies who will never be able to do that

>>213315687
40 watts in a highly inefficient resistive heating element raising ambient temperature is nothing. 40 watts projected on a point is enough to burn a hole through a person.

>>213315797
Only very slowly, with constant feeding of power.

I've seen 40W lasers in action which are much more pinpoint than any plasma weapon in Terminator.
They take multiple passes to burn through 1 inch thick dry wood.
Wet human flesh will take a lot more.

And plasma rifles in Terminator don't work like lasers, once the plasma is shot no power gets fed to it anymore.
So no, 40W isn't going to burn a hole through anybody.
It's weaker than a bic ligher.

>>213311954 (OP)
He was never in a good movie. AHNOLD had terminator, conan, predator, total recall, commando. The fuck does rock have?

>>213312052
>The Rock has a clause that he can't be shown weak.
I love that part. How petty does he have to be to include that in every contract.

Arnold knew what made an action movie star and chose the right roles and people to do them, for example Cameron, and the Rock can't choose the right ones because these type of directors no longer have creative freedom nowadays.... It doesn't help that the Rock is a stubborn narcissist so his ego ruins his own career...

>>213316111
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>>213316111
I would love to have the minutes of this meeting.

>>213315011
Millenial is a mindset anon

>>213316111
Them all turning to watch the latest Black Adam TV spot or whatever it is they're watching in their marketing meeting makes me laugh and I don't even know why. It reminds me of The Naked Gun 2 1/2 when the energy kingpins are previewing pro-fossil fuel commercials.

>>213311954 (OP)
It seems crazy to say it but Arnold has more range. Despite not being able to /act/ Arnie could modulate playing himself to fit action, comedy and mild drama. He also had enough distance to himself to be able to take roles like Junior.
The Rock, even when playing for “comedy” wants to stick close to his persona of being some super hot suave guy. The joke in Jumanji is mostly exaggerating the caricature of himself he is.

Southland Tales is The Rock's only kino role, he does a great job playing a cowardly idiot actor. If he had stuck to better directors with better scripts he would have been fine, but he wanted to be a blockbuster action hero and he simply doesn't have that appeal and wants too much creative input, and he's just not very creative. He might be decent in that new Safdie movie though, I have hope for him still but he doesn't seem capable of being humbled to the point of understanding his utility as an actor.

>>213316111
>all the toys lined up
lmao

>>213316256
I fully believe it's because he only sees acting as a stepping stool to politics. He genuinely believes he'll be able to follow in Arnie and Ventura's footsteps and go from action hero to senator and then take it one step further and become president. It's why he's so soulless when it comes to his persona, because he's keeping himself completely under wraps to play things safe until he's "done" with action hero roles and has to decide what side of the political divide he'll beg for votes from.

>>213314340
Nah he wouldn't have refused the Terminator because it loses, he would have refused it because it's too scary for his child fans. He's got his problems with not losing fights but he's got an even bigger problem with being PG-13 so he can appeal to as broad a fanbase as possible.

He WOULD have accepted T2 because of the child self-insert character and quips, even though the terminator dies.

>>213314397
Name one of them that's as rewatchable as Arnie's worst movie: The 6th Day. The only movie starring him that's rewatchable at all is The Rundown and that's mostly down to Stiffler's character who's basically the co-lead.

>>213316092
It's not just the Rock, Jason Staham, and Vin Diesel do too. It's why all the F&F fights end in draws or get abruptly interrupted.

>>213315971
It's 40W to power it, that's not it's output, dumbass.

>>213316658
Did Steven Segal have the same clause? It always stood out to me how he never ever struggled even by 80s action movie standards.

>>213316733
I don't know, sorry. Wouldn't be surprised if he did. IIRC didn't he have some cheap movie where he beats Mike Tyson? I think that's what makes the difference in action stars. If they lose you want to cheer them on but if they always win there's no struggle for the audience to relate to. Stallone, Jackie Chan, and Arnold understood that.

>>213311954 (OP)
Peanut head. Phony smile. Everything's forced with him. Arnold had charisma and good screen presence. Just compare how they look onscreen. The Rock's proportions make him look like one of those globohomo drawings.

>>213315449
kek this

>>213311954 (OP)
He has zero personality whatsoever. Once everyone figured out his PR team carefully manufactures everything he says and he's a major attention whore the momentum dropped like a Rock

>>213315648
because the guns arent futuristic and arent inputting their targeting data into his brain. so he needs the approximation of the laser sight to aim better. HE can target with precision, the gun cant

not watching a midge action star, simple as

The criticisms of him in this thread are valid
But I liked him in picrel

>>213316924
The laser sight doesn't make the gun any more accurate, it only let's the human shooter aim it more accurately.

>>213316974
I still don't believe this is a real clip from one of the F&Fs.

>>213316231
Arnold Blacknigger is, KING LEAR

>>213316733
That was my biggest problem with that movie he did that everyone claimed was Die Hard On A Boat. He didn't struggle and get hurt like McClane does over the course of a movie. He even shrugs off getting shot. It made me wonder what those people thought made Die Hard special, especially since the character isn't even in above his head. He's some special forces spook that everyone's heard of because he's so badass and just happens to be working as a cook at the moment. So stupid.

>>213316231
>>213317020
I'd watch both.

>>213316996
thats exactly what i just said

>>213316983
Same.

>>213317029
I honestly think a big part of the Under Siege or whatever it was called praise comes solely due to that hot cake stripper scene

>>213317034
its going to be a red sonja conan situation where due to rights issues, he plays the same hamlet except with a different name, lear

>>213316788
>Jackie Chan
Speaking of Jackie, that Red Notice movie with Gal Gadot, The Rock and Ryan Reynolds tried to copy Jackie's jacket fighting, trapping guys with their own jackets and jumping around a scaffolding and shit. Classic Jackie fight. But the way they shot it and the way Ryan Reynolds acted just robbed it of all vitality and made it boring and slow as fuck. Jackie really knows how to move in a funny way and not even other actors always understand how good he is at that part, clearly.

>>213317110
>Gal Gadot, The Rock and Ryan Reynolds
Ugh. The holy trifecta of shit

>>213315394
>but when Rocky tried his own spin-off, it bombed.
That shit was a straight up superhero movie about saving the world from a nanite virus that makes you into Captain America, during the height of superhero mania, as well. It was clearly made to cater to the "cultural zeitgeist" first and foremost, even if it made no sense for the universe it took place in.

>>213317110
jackie acts and looks comically scared and like he REALLY doesnt want to get hurt, only striking back by accident or if he FALSELY feels confident, only to run again after it fails. he uses props to avoid the fight, they used props as weapons to overwhelm

>>213317063
I'd understand it if people were honest about that part. Those were some great tits. But don't try to get me to watch the cake stripper movie by promising me a good Die Hard ripoff that sucks at everything that made Die Hard special among action movies!

The 80s/90s are over. Action movies aren't a thing anymore so we don't need action heroes.
Imagine something like Commando being made today. Imagine the cringe.

>>213317110
Renolds' idea of comedy got skewed hard by deadpool. He just can't be a naturally likeable and endearing guy being put into tough, comedic situations like Jackie, he has to be fucking retarded and force the comedy. It's the same in another movie of his with Sam Jackson and I think Salma Hayek, Bodyguards Wife or something like that.

>>213315284
She used to be cute.

>>213312065
Yes. He was a physical actor. 90% of communication is not verbal. Arnold would be doing every movement of scenes for months before it shot
Terminator 1 is probably the greatest physical acting of all time
He barely says anything and isn't on the screen that much
Tiny little angles and micro movements toney everything locked in.
He can actually speak without the accent he was capable 1997

>>213317110
Jackie Chan has an understanding of stunts and action Ryan Reynolds does not. It's like in Ahsoka where Hayden was Hydrogen bomb vs Coughing Baby against Rosario Dawson.

>>213317226
Ryan redditnolds just sucks.
It's amazing how that faggot just kept failing upwards

>>213311954 (OP)
took himself too seriously and had an inverse of arnolds career
>Was it because he's too doofy to be intimidating?
yeah those early movies didnt help. arnold did a ton of action movies then later did some doofy ones, meanwhile the rock started with doofy movies and then tried to build himself as the next arnold. but even arnold still took on more varied roles and didnt have the retarded 'can never lose' clause.

>>213317250
I'd argue Robert Patrick does a better job in physical acting with T2

>>213314153
Arnold has tons of classics while the Rocks only remotely decent movie is Pain & Gain where he isn't even the star. Even Jason Statham has a better career than the Rock.

>>213317210
It's not just that, though. Ryan Reynolds could pull off that acting. The way he moves his arms and legs is exaggerated in just the right way to make comedic scenes funnier and more serious scenes more pleasing to see. Dude really knows his slapstick and how to employ it even in more serious movies. That's the part that Ryan couldn't copy at all, robbing the scene of all energy because he was just moving like your typical action hero who doesn't waste energy with superfluous movements.

>>213314403
Perfectly executed.

>>213311954 (OP)
Nah, he just refused to lean into violent R-Rated action kino and settled for safe bland PG-13 slop instead. Dwayne Johnson definitely had the charisma and the Physicality to be the next Arnold. Imagine a movie like "Commando" written just for Dwayne Johnson in his prime and it's just 2 hours of him roided to the gills snapping bones, ripping apart bad guys limb from limb and blowing up everything in sight with big ass military grade hardware. It would've been the return of high test 80s action kino. Instead we got a bunch of watered down gay action comedies.

>>213317340
Stratham is the same brand of fake and boring.

>>213317039
Then your whole argument is self defeating.

The one Dwayne film I really like is Central Intelligence.

>>213317353
It's this weird disconnect in action comedy movies where it's just a generic action movie when the fighting starts and then a generic talking, very rarely physical comedy when it stops
I was watching Heads of State recently and they had to be cool action men when the choreography begins, they even had a fucking not-Moltley Crue music video play out and they really wanted it to be cool and not funny.
I'm not John Cenas biggest fan but I really think he could do goofy comedic action if he actually tried.

>>213315687
It is PHASED.

>>213317435
The Rock's face photoshopped onto a fat kid's body felt fetishistic.

Arnold worked in a time where some of the best action directors were active and wanted to work with him.
He's charismatic but he on his own is largely subject to who he works with. It's why his later work is so mediocre.

>>213311954 (OP)
bald, no charisma, gay

>>213316111
Just imagine this being your job and having to sit there and sell this slop to this big balding retard.

>>213316237
>being some super hot suave guy
This is definitely a big part of the problem. The Rock just isn't attractive and can't sell it.

>>213317436
Heads of State was extra weird since they started out with the premise of one of them being an action hero president running on his image and the other one looking more like a politician but having an actual military record. Then they did absolutely nothing with that premise and had them be equally competent and cool under pressure. Why not have the actor freak out about being shot at with real bullets while the ex-military guy remains calm because he's been trained for that, but the actor is better at fighting or driving because he's taken a ton of stunt lessons over the years? The whole thing with Jack Quaid's character was really weird, as well.

>>213317551
Rare look at what the Rock's hairline would have looked like if he didn't start shaving.

Love Arnold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTsR2c4vLVw

>>213314561
> and found good flicks
like none of them were good though.

>>213317430
or you have poor reading comprehension

>>213317412
I think Commando with The Rock would suck. He doesn't have the look or the charisma to pull it off. He leaned into the family friendly globohomo movies because that's where he belongs.

>>213317624
Don't get me started on that indian(?) actress from Citadel that someone in Amazon really thinks is an amazing action star and will shove into every movie they can. I really feel the movie was actually a vehicle for her.

>>213311954 (OP)
he lost something like 70% of his fans after he endorsed biden. Everyone just lost respect for him. he never had much charisma or talent anyway.

>>213317732
>I think Commando with The Rock would suck
It would be very meh.

>>213317945
I know he was roided to the gills but my biggest regret was never caring about fitness until my mid 20s. I really hope I can get even remotely close to his physique natty even if I know that's impossible.
Did arny end up physically broken like say Ronnie Coleman did?

>>213317945
Probably the perfect bodybuilding body (Arnie was a great runner for his size too). These days they look quite freakish.

>>213312586
Arnold can do intensity

>>213311954 (OP)
Too much ego too early. Arnold's whole approach to acting was actually quite humble; he knew his limits and worked on them. Dwayne's am entertainer and he's always been great at working a crowd, but there's a difference between that and actually being a leading man. The trouble is that he came onto the screen already pretty popular, and only gained more and more control as his career went on, his ego swelled, and he never really improved his talents or creative instincts. Hence a disaster like Black Adam where he hadn't taken the pulse of the genre and just assumed being an edgy powerful badass would make him stand out.

>>213316092
>>213316658
its the worst shit ever. you already know every single fight is completely pointless because of their contracts. wasnt one of the fast and furious ones something like jason and the rock werent allowed to have "more hits" on eachother? like every single punch and kick had to be matched so neither one "lost". like fuck that

>>213316231
Imagine the kino of that shelved crusade movie

>>213317501
Thank goodness for Jim.

>>213317436
>I'm not John Cenas biggest fan but I really think he could do goofy comedic action if he actually tried.
He's good in Peacemaker

>>213311954 (OP)
Arnold didn't need a CGI team for his muscles.

>>213317716
or you did a poor job writing something comprehensible

>>213316974
lmao hes like a worm

>>213316996
>>213316924
>>213315648
ignoring your guys autism, this does remind me of the "oh" moment as a kid when it finally clicked to me that barrel length has nothing to do with accuracy.

>>213318054
He had heart surgery at a pretty early age, at 50.

genetic abomination, like all americans

>>213316231
Crazy how this fake parody movie trailer looks better than any modern slop

>>213311954 (OP)
Look at him. That face screams homo.

>>213318218
Yeah. Eventually it will be one guy cannot beat up as many bad guys as the other.

>>213318858
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0urdM6HAgbk

>>213312065
Try to envision The Pebble doing the Terminator and there’s your answer

>>213318930
>barrel length has nothing to do with accuracy.

>>213319466
>He does the eye brow thing when the cop tells him the officers are bust at the police station

>>213311954 (OP)
Rock felt pretty intimidating in Pain and Gain, mostly because of how unhinged his character was. Issue is he always wants to be the hero that can do no wrong

>>213316939
I don't understand this reaction.
Are you amused, annoyed or aroused at what I said?

>>213319466
I tried and all I got was OJ Simpson.

>>213311954 (OP)
Bautista mogs

>>213319529
yep. you can absolutely machine a perfect 1 inch barrel, perfectly machine the perfect bullet, and perfectly mix the right amount of propellant and hit a target from 2 miles away with a 1 inch barrel.
itll cost you like 30 grand per shot, sure, since your gonna have to x-ray each bullet for any metallurgical inconsistencies, and itll hit the target like a wet sock because theres virtually no velocity (what you want a long barrel for), but you can do it.

of course, nobody wants to just hit a target from 2 miles away with the force of a wet sock. generally, you want what you hit, to die. good way to do that is increase velocity. by building more pressure to increase velocity. easier to do with a longer barrel.

>>213320075
wat?

>>213320075
What about the rifling?

>>213320075
Solemmegetthisstaight. Barrel length has nothing to do with accuracy, but it makes the projectile go straight for longer?

>>213312043
>>213312065
had nothing to do with acting ability. if anything the Rock is a better actor than Arnold when he actually tries. It's simply because Arnold was a lot more selective with his roles and was in much better movies.

>>213320266
No, he's retarded.

>>213320212
youd probably have to do what that blackpowder guy did, shape the very bullet as an octagon, and then perfectly machine the rifling. it would be absurdly difficult, costly, and your barrel would only last a few shots, if more then 1 shot before its tolerances got fucked. just before people forget whats actually being talked about here, its about specifically, accuracy. no one in real life is going to machine and produce something that precise and then give it a shoulder stock and fire it while standing. it would be a completely worthless weapon, that could only do one thing. hit something far away. once.

>>213320266
no, the accuracy would be the same, the velocity just takes that same accurate shot, further. doesnt matter if you have a 100% accuracy if your targets two miles away and you can only lob your bullet 1 mile. thats what the barrel length is for. velocity.

>>213320369
I kinda get you, so we can say that a weapon with a barrel length of 2.54mm its perfectly accurate because the effective range would be 1feet?

Brooke Shields

>>213312065
Here's the thing about the acting of guys like Arnold, John Wayne, etc: people write movies FOR THEM.

Characters are created specifically with them in mind. They're such big stars that they literally inspire the characters they apply, so how can they fail as actors when their job is simply to be themselves, or to maintain their on-screen persona?
That's why Arnold pretty much never seems like he's out of place in one of his own films, no matter how clumsily he may deliver a line.

>>213311954 (OP)
He was never very cool even at his peak, unlike Arnold, who remains cool forever.

But /tv/ told me that I can't like Arnold and Rock was always better.

>>213311954 (OP)
It's because he's an insecure faggot who literally has a clause in his contracts prohibiting him from losing a fight, either on-screen or off-screen.

>>213320774
How many fights did Arnold lose?

213320750
Literally no one says that, Dwayne.
Go to bed

>>213320820
At least once in Terminator 1.

>>213320750
I've been on /tv/ for 2 years and nobody ever said that

>>213320820
Satan kills him in end of days

>>213320820
I am surely missing examples, but here are a few:
His first gladiator fight and when they captured him in Conan
The Predator kicked him around
In Terminator, he is destroyed
In Terminator 2, he is beaten up and then self-destroys
In True Lies his wife is shitting on him being boring
In Jingle All The Way, the neighbor eats his cookies

>>213320530
depends on what you use to propel it. if we didnt need it to be a combustible powder, and could use like, magnetic coils instead, you could get a shitload of velocity in a short distance.
think about bows and arrows for a moment. they dont have a barrel. they dont use explosive combustible material that needs to be contained within a pressure vessel to build velocity. 0 inch barrel. you can still be pretty accurate with them.

arnie did rated r movies
the rock only does pg disney crap

>>213319917
Can't wait for Rock to win his Oscar so this AIDS ridden fag can kill himself.

>>213321042
Fuk, i was supposed to bring catapults in to the mix. We are arguing about the concept of accuracy and technically a spoon has infinite accuracy within the range it can launch the projectile. Then again we have wind and The Rocks ego that can affect slow moving projectiles, so increased velocity by definition makes it more accurate as The Rock cant one look supersonic projectiles as easily.

>>213314177
As much as I like Pain & Gain, shit was over 10+ years ago at this point

>>213320774
He lost a fight in a Voyager episode.

>>213321260
I think there should be a The in there somewhere

>>213320820
Gets his ass handed to him by the T-1000 in every fight, and ends up only killing him via an opportune ambush.

>>213311954 (OP)
He could never be Arnold. Not even Arnold's shadow. Dwayne is Box Office poison and should've never killed The Rock.

>>213312269
>the rock just isn't funny at all
The Rock is hilarious. Dwayne isn't.

>>213312065
You don't need to be a good actor when you have more charisma in your pinky than most men have in their entire body.

>>213320820
He got cucked by Phil Hartman in Jingle All the Way

>>213312065
You spent your entire childhood watching a thick-accented Austrian Mr. Olympia gigachad play a schlubby everyman all-American dad and never once questioned it. Yeah he’s fucking good. He grew out of silent muscleman roles early and could do any kind of script and be believable. The Pebble needs every role to be written for him so he can play The Pebble. He could never do Twins.

>>213322452
Is that some Sally Fields?

>>213320820
Lost to hydraulic press operated by Sarah Connor in T1
Lost to T-1000 in T2
Lost his entire team in Predator
Lost to Satan in End of Days
Lost to Batman in Batman & Robin
Lost to John Connor in T:R
Lost to Sarah Connor in T:G

>>213318858
Waltuh?

>>213311954 (OP)
Its cause hes bald and black. He's doofy in a bad way, arnold is very doofy looking but his charisma makes him likable.

>>213311954 (OP)
Because 99% of the movies he's in are shit and even the good ones don't come close Ahnolds peak

>>213320820
He lost to Sarah Connor, the T-1000 and Batman off the top of my head.

>>213315687
Modern plasma rifles produce plasma in thousands of microreactors, the wattage is per reactor

>>213318142
>intensity
YES this is what I meant by doofy in the OP. The impossibility of intensity.

>>213311954 (OP)
hes fake

>>213311954 (OP)
The Pebble could never be as based as Arnold is.

>>213311954 (OP)
>>213312052
The appeal for Arnie was his personality. He was a big, loveable, fun guy who was swole. Part of that was masculinity as well, his "do-whatever-I-want" philosophy. Meanwhile The Rock has the personality of Ellen DeGeneres

>>213314716
It's unironically a big point in the source material that Conan is often more honest, honorable, thoughtful and even (gasp!) compassionate than his supposedly "civilized" contemporaries. He's still a brutal bastard who loves plunder and pillage, but a repeated plot point in a couple short stories is noble women "offering their bodies" to him in exchange for him helping them somehow, reneging on the deal, and then being shocked that Conan literally doesn't care.
>>213314746
He was *born* a barbarian, and so he approached the civilized world with literally zero knowledge. Yer mostly right tho

>>213311954 (OP)
He's soulless

>>213324530
an Austrian that believes in rules and a strong government? Why I never

>>213325146
I would say Conan is bit more rapey when he is younger, its pretty clear his intentions in Frost Giants Daughter for example. As weird as it sounds though this is intentional character development I think, Conan seems to learn two lessons over the years, the pursuit is more enjoying than the having, and simply taking something isn't as rewarding as fighting for it.

>>213311954 (OP)
hmm what could be missing

>>213314153
wow bearded arnie looks cool
>>213314552
vgh
me and my black friend pretended to be the dudes from this epic

>>213317557
>oh noooo save me niggerman i get to do NOTHING all day ahhhh!

Someone thought having him in the center of a baywatch remake instead of hot girls was a good idea. Insane.

>>213327690
looks like ai but what even is it an ai of? 'give me obama in a cave'

>>213325311
>T-Rex doesn't want to be fed, he wants to hunt.

>>213327935
It's the flashback to Black Adam's "normal form" without the Shazam powers. The other scene when he surrenders.

SO

>>213318930
>barrel length has nothing to do with accuracy.
It does. It contributes to spin rate, which stabilizes the round in flight making it fly straighter further, and also contributes to velocity, allowing the round to fly further and more accurately.

Barrel length must be matched for the load, however, as a round that moves too fast is just as bad as one moving too slow.

>>213328898
This would have been considered a muscly body before this new trend of every single male actor with a topless shot being put on roids by their "personal trainer". Back in the 90s that's what a superhero physique would look like. Now they use that kind of body to show how weak and normal someone was before getting powers. Shit's fucked.

>>213324972
>Rock has the personality of Ellen DeGeneres

He didn't have a thick austrian accent

>>213312065
Yes

>>213311954 (OP)
It's because all his movies were dog shit. Literally not a single good one.

He was top doofy but not because of any agent or executive decision. It's just the shape of his head and his face. Whoever steered him toward goofiness was doing him a favor, milking what works etc, and shouldn't be punished

>>213328898
looks like a deepfake with obama's face onto a build body

>>213312052
Hes been in goofy shit too

Congratulations to OP for having his thread bumped. The thread has insane verticals with a long catalog life, making it an amazing strategic shitpost. Also RIP Ron Jeremy. Too bad he's never going to see #TheSmashingMachine, in theaters 08/01

>>213311954 (OP)
how many Olympias did he win?

thought so

>>213332228
/thread

Fuck the pebble

>>213331497
he's only been goofy/doofy that's the premise of the thread. he's never been intense or seriously scary except this guy says he was in this (i haven't seen this one) >>213319582

>>213319035

genetically superior to you and your ancestors that's for sure

How can he be so charismatic on the mic in the ring, but not outside?

>>213333508
>t. seething muttoid

>>213333545

turn on your screen

>>213311954 (OP)
Bodybuilder + sci-fi plots/military overtones = Arnold persona.

Wrestlers already are very staged fake dramatics, he's locked into like telenovela of testoterone-freakout

wtf is this thread? Half of the replies are just rewordings of the first half

>>213333577
Okkk senorrrrr

>>213320907
>Costanza on the left

it’s because he takes himself too seriously. Arnold was seen as a big tough guy and was like
>yeah hahahah I will be pregnant in movie, it will be funny, I love the comedy

>>213311954 (OP)
The Rock is a great actor though

>>213311954 (OP)
Arnold had iconic roles and was a cultural phenomenon. The Rock's biggest role was as The Rock in WWE which had a much smaller cultural impact than say, Terminator.
Rock is famous but he hasn't been in any memorable movies or played any iconic roles.

>>213316974
Seriously what the fuck happened here, is it just bad camera perspective or was the Rock added in post or something

>>213311954 (OP)
its because he was never in an actual classic that people loved whereas arnie was in multiple