The most important lesson of this show: Never cuck out

>>213315456 (OP)
If he cucked out and didn't listen to little finger he would live

>>213315456 (OP)
What actually is the message of Game Of Thrones? That lusting for power is destructive?

>>213315456 (OP)
>Your bro asks you for help
>You agree to help him
>You lose your head as a result
What was the moral of the story?

>>213315456 (OP)
The important lesson is that maybe dont tell people who hate and wanna kill you that you have blackmail on them

>>213315529
Hard to say since the author never finished writing the books

>>213315541
Women are evil and destructive.

>>213315499
Considering his introduction was being a beta orbiter for Catelyn and seething over Ned impregnating her multiple times, plus being more than happy to put the crown in debt to Tywin, it should have been extremely obvious to Ned that he would sell him out to the Lannisters.

>>213315541
Dude signed up the be a chess piece without realising a game was being played, let alone who was on the other side of the board. He literally tells him he doesn't know who to trust doesn't he?

>>213315541
Hustle and bustle of the big city = get stabbed. Stay at home. Burn local.

>>213315456 (OP)
More like don't be a clueless idiot when hanging around sociopaths.

>>213315529
bad things can happen to good people

>>213315529
Power corrupts all, duh. It's a constant just like gravity.

>>213315732
Except Ned Stark so the author had to kill him off quick

>>213315456 (OP)
Everything is fair in love, war and politics

>>213315456 (OP)
Starks are responsible for 90% of bad shit happening in the show
>Ned beheads the night watchman ranger because of MUH HONOR instead of hearing him out
>Catelyn kidnaps Tyrion on the dumbest suspcion ever and starts a war that kills millions
>Robb breaks his vows to get his cock wet and get himself killed
>right after trusting Theon and getting Winterfell sacked
>Ned fucks everything up in King Slanding, gets all his men killed, gets Robert killed

>>213315755
>Robb breaks his vows to get his cock wet and get himself killed
implying walder wasn't gonna kill him anyway the second the lannisters bribed him

>>213315755
I can forgive Cat and Ned for falling for Littlefinger's ruse but show Robb is a complete tard for marrying that skank

The worst part was excluding all of the buildup that showed how Eddard Stark wasn't just a naive idiot and that his character earned a lot of loyalty to House Stark which guaranteed a lot of people rose up for absolutely no reward to protect his children.

>>213315529
That gangsters run the show

>>213315781
The Lannisters didn't ask the Freys to do it they simply assured them they would not be punished. The Freys and Boltons were the masterminds behind it

>>213315529
Tax unto others as you would have them tax unto you

yes

>>213315529
Something about tax policies

>>213315639
He had no choice, the king ordered him to be hand and then ordered him to rule after his death.

>>213315805
I can't. Literally no one trusts Littlefinger, he is a shifty hibernian jew that pimps whores and always has a smug look on his face, he even tells them to their faces not to trust him, kek.

>>213315932
That doesn't mean he has to be an idiot about it, he could have said no, and he does say no and defy his king later on when he's talking about assassinating Daenerys, so you know he can do it when he really wants to.

How he got to his age without recognizing and learning how to deal with shifty cunts makes no sense.

>>213315845
>>213315928
Based

>>213315939
show Littlefinger is a mustache twirling villain.

book littlefinger is just a fun and social guy, he's seen as a simple brothel owner who built a small fortune and will sometimes do favours for you. he's odd, but people literally cannot comprehend that he could have ambitions of his own.
he's like the friendly neighbor who owns a deli and gives you extra fries because he likes you, but you would never assume he aspires to become president and hang you in the street

>>213316041
>How he got to his age without recognizing and learning how to deal with shifty cunts makes no sense.
Feels more like an egregious lapse in judgement instead of him leading his "honorific" way of life up until it lead to his untimely death.

>>213316041
>How he got to his age
Eddard Stark was only 35 years old when he dies in King's Landing.

>>213316041
Because in that situation it would be more dishonorable to kill an innocent child than defy the king. Letting a bastard with no claim rule when you have orders not to would go completely against hus religious beliefs

>>213315456 (OP)
>Never cuck out
Too late.

>>213316109
why did all the actors in the new show look so retarded?

>>213315529
It's that the writer is a cuck

>>213315529
Might beats right

>>213315529
When you are sick, the more you drink the more you shit but the more you shit the more you grow thirstier. That's what stuck with me from all of the books. A valuable lesson 'twas.

>>213316941
One of the leading causes of early death in 19 century London was cholera, a disease that makes you shit a lot. In order to survive you must keep drinking to avoid cell dehydration, ironically many people refused to drink because it made them shit more, which they took for a sign of doing something wrong. GURM teaches you an important lesson, hydration is important even if it makes you shid.

>>213315529
Hobbit sex

>>213315529
something about stories and breaking the wheel

>>213316109
>THAT RABBIT IS SO RAW THAT IT'S STILL ASKING "WHAT'S UP DOC?"

>>213315541
Don't trust your wife's gay friend

>>213316120
They purposefully went for inbred looking people

>EEEEYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>213315529
That women are crazy and should be kept away from power

>>213315529
>>213317302
>something about stories

So just started season 4, at what point does it sway away from the books and just becomes it's own thing and where are the books currently at timeline wise

>>213318258
Season 2.

>>213315529
the books aren't finished, one argument what the theme statement is though, is that karma is actually real, but its extremely slow and subtle and quiet.

when someone does evil, their come uppance isn't immediate, and it won't feel neccessarily like there is ever justice to the victims, but the universe does seem to work out it self out.

all of ned stark's off spring go off to be HUGE pains to the lannisters.

and the lannisters are likely headed towards their total annihilation.

all three of ned's children are still alive currently in the books and are likely on track to be an important part of the final act.

like wise with tyrion lannister, he's the most moral lannister, so he's also likely to make it to the end.

>>213318570
>the Lannisters are evil because they killed the insane evil king or something

>>213318258
Season 1. Ned specifically does not want to go south and Cat, that bitch, forces him to.

>>213315529
It was SUPPOSED to be: that if we could all play nice and get along, we could see looming catastrophes and handle them easily. But since the powerful are a bunch of losers blinded by their own greed, pride, and hubris, they will never stop playing the Game even when it kills all the little people, they are left King of the Ashes, and a decades long winter descends to freeze them since they couldn't store anything up to prepare. D&D turned it into meaningless slop and grrm long ago stopped giving a shit

>>213315456 (OP)
Most men would have done the same if they were threatened with the lives of their children.
What Ned should have done is use his authority as hand before shit hit the fan. Fire everyone, fill the court with your people, let Loras seek his revenge on the Mountain binding the Tyrells to anti-Lannister cause.
If he really didn't want to see Cersei's tots get rek'd, he should have done what Tyrion did with Tommen in aCoK and abducted them, moving them to a secret location until the shit blows over.

>>213315529
Killing off your best characters in the first season is a cool trick to make normalfags think "anyone can die, there's no plot armor!"
The only problem is that you have 7 more seasons.

>>213319463
In reality, Ned was supposed to be a feminist icon for being a man who steps up to tie for his female relative's character development.

Ashara:
>sluts around
>gets pregnant by someone who isn't brandon or ned due to timeline
>has a dead bastard baby
>kills herself because she's a BPD whore
Cat:
>only has sex with her husband
>rough sex, with a breeding kink
>gives birth to 5 healthy kids with magical powers
>hates a targ abomination on instinct
>remains hot despite her pregnancies
>such a stacy that petyr, lysa, and barbrey seethe about her for nearly 20 years
>grabs a valyrian steel blade with her bare fucking hands
>gets into a fight with the mountain clansmen, kills one
>bonks one dude over the head so hard he passes out
>eats a crossbow bolt, and still has the strength to slice open a throat
>gets so mad she rises out of her watery grave to hang freys
Yeah, I'm not seeing why this was ever a debate.

>>213318457
how do you have sex when you're on downers and in extreme pain?

>>213315529
Watch yo crew watch yo niggas and protecc ya neck
Also you can’t do shit without power but with power you CAN choose to do good
https://youtu.be/PA4KTMq-wO0

>>213320549
Very easily when you're a teenage boy. That shit never goes down.

>>213320549
It was heavily implied that the Westerlings were working for the Lanisters to sabotage the alliance with the Freys and that Robb was drugged.

>>213320411
based and true. Only worthless Jonfags hate her.
>s-she was slightly mean to him waaaah
she would've been entirely justified throwing baby Jon down a well. Fuck Targshits and fuck bastards.

>>213320549
Very carefully.

>>213320411
>>213320801
What even was Neds and hers problem with the whole bastard thing. Throughout the books we meet several bastard knights of various southern houses.

>>213318617
He would have died anyway, they are bad because they killed their ally and switched sides at the last minute in the most despicable way.

>>213320991
Cats problem was raising a proof that her man was a disgusting whore who didn't respect her and Neds problem was that he made a promise to her dying sister.

>>213315529
>What actually is the message of Game Of Thrones?
Messages are for children's stories.

>>213320627
Spicers. Sybell is a gypsy who was playing both Tywin and Robb while waiting to see which one falls. As for Jeyne, she's probably innocent. Sybell put Robb in her daughter's bed, instructed her to nurse him, and let teenage hormones do the rest. Robb was at serious risk of dying a virgin, and Jeyne is a typical noble girl with head full of songs about valiant warriors and rebels. No magical love potion needed.
>>213320991
We also see a lot of them get treated much worse than Jon. Besides the standard Westerosi prejudice, she is insecure about her political position.
>southern lady of winterfell, which is pretty rare
>none of her kids (except for arya) look like northerners
>jon is raised alongside of them as an equal, which is also pretty unusual for a bastard
If he marries and breeds, there is a non zero chance that either him or his kid will press a claim on Winterfell. Especially if he gets a strong, Northern match.

>>213321134
>just set me in tha corner and stroke on me. I'm have a powerful need to be stroked on.

>>213315529
Don't run with scissors.

>>213315529
We need a Good Empower to fix things

>>213315456 (OP)
>m-muh hon-ACK!!!!

>>213315456 (OP)
I still wish Heath Ledger played Jaimie instead of Nikolaj. Nikolaj is pretty good but he isn't Charles Dance as Tywin good. Heath just expresses emotion better then Nikolaj. Nikolaj would have made a pretty good Rhaegar thou

>>213315529
Don't name your kids after TV show characters

>>213323673
It's hard to imagine Health playing a stuck up, pompous asshole like Jaime

>>213323903
Wasn't khaleesi just a title and not a name?

Did the fat bastard ever say what the planned ending of the book was? He's obviously never going to write any more.

>>213317510
I can understand the recasting since Sean Bean's probably pretty expensive, but why did they even bring Ned back to life to begin with? They barely did anything with his character, but I guess that's every character in the later seasons.

>>213323673
Nah, the best part of Game of Thrones was how few big famous faces there were. Seen Been was only in it for a little bit. Everyone else could actually be taken seriously for their character rather than being seen as some other role.

>>213324110
Yes, it's Daenerys' title. It's like naming your daughter "Queen" or "Princess".

>>213320549
very floppy

>>213324376
>The name of my son? Hand Michaels

>>213317510
I want a spin-off with these guys

>>213315456 (OP)
Now that I think about it, the whole plot is retarded and makes no sense. Ned's motivated primarily by honour, as a respected and powerful man in what's presumably an honour-based society.
The Lannisters are motivated by honour, too, since revealing that Joffrey was an inbred bastard would would destroy their legitimacy in a very real and violent way, presumably because they live in an honour-based society.
If all that's true, Ned being who he is, wouldn't there be men like him everywhere within arms reach to contact, get support, get the word out, etc. He was far from home but also one of the most important men in the realm, a man of significant power and, assuming it's an honour-based society, it would be impossible to contain the truth even if you killed him.
It can't be both ways, the book/show simultaneously depicts Ned acting like a retard in a doggy-dog world but it also presumes medieval norms and conditions.

>>213315529
women strong, men weak and evil

>>213324888
In reality, no one would ever let a queen mother completely disregard the late king's orders like what happened in the show. It's pure retardation. Especially with pricks everyone hated like Cersei and Joffrey. And the bullshit they get away with as the show goes on just gets dumber and dumber as the show goes on. Cersei literally blows up a cathedral in the middle of the city with all the extremely popular religious leaders inside and nothing happens, kek. Can you imagine if a reigning monarch's mother blew up the cathedral in a capital and blew up the pope along with it? It's fucking retarded.

>>213324888
Nice digits.
Anyway, reading Ned as "the honor guy" is misinterpreting his character. Yes, he holds honor in high regard, but above that, it's the lives of children.
>fucks up his honor and marriage by taking the fall for Lyanna and claiming Jon as his to keep him safe
>has a big falling out with Robert due to his protest to kill Dany and her unborn baby (both of whom are children, thanks George)
>refuses to allow Loras to go on his revenge quest and get killed by the Mountain because he is too young, even though getting the Tyrell's against the Lannisters would be politically advantageous
>warns Cersei that he'll tell Robert, hoping that she'll value the lives of her children over her desire for power (she does not)
>gives a false confession proclaiming Joff as the true king, after Varys threatens Sansa's life

>>213324110
It already sounds like a generic negress name so I guess it wasn't that weird for blacks

>>213325531
Not everybody let her do it, just the kings guard and the council both of which were corrupt. And to the people they said that Ned was a traitor.

>>213321067
They didnt switch sides, they were neutral because the king and tywin had a falling out. The 'sin' if there was one was using deceit to sack KL solely to gain favor with bobby b. But really its just tywin being pragmatic

>>213325531
Precisely this
>>213325599
Good post which gets to the root of his motivations, but it also seems that everything good Ned acquired in his life was a result of being honourable:
>leadership, power, and respect
>an arranged marriage he worked into a loving one rather than shirk his martial duties
>wonderful, strong children
>an exceptional adopted son he endured slings for without breaking his promise
Him being inscrutable in his personal and professional lives wasn't just a detail, it was a major reason for his reluctant position, he had the kind of real power and status that no amount of coin could buy (at least, this is how he's established, later events retcon this).
In any case, it all points toward a medieval-like code of chivalry being in place, and my original point stands.

>>213315499
he wasn't a cuck

>>213318457
Why the fuck would they change this in the show? This is way better. That whole arc made me absolutely hate Robb Stark and call him a fucking retard unfit to rule.
>A Stark's word is his bond, nothing else matters. Once you give your word to do something it becomes a sacred oath that cannot be broken.
>Wait a minute....is that....A WOMAN WHO I'VE INTERACTED WITH 3 TIMES???? HUMMINA HUMMINA AWOOGA HOLY SHIT QUICK BREAK ALL OF OUR ALLIANCES, MY WORD MEANS NOTHING NOW HACHI MAMMA!!!!!!!!!
What an absolute character assassination. I was supposed to hate Walder Frey for killing the Starks? Robb deserved it for being a spineless coward that goes back on his word.

>>213325894
Robb should have done what his father would have done. Side with Stannis. Robb actually wanted to do that initially, but then his retard bannermen started shouting their "KING IN THE NORTH" shit like imbeciles and ruined everything.
If they tried to make Eddard Stark the King in the North instead of siding with Stannis he would have shut them down instantly.

>>213325599
>>213325843
Continuing from my response, wouldn't the assumption be that Ned has a dozen couriers ready to go, they would even need to presume that the letters are already sent.
They would need to keep Ned alive with leverage over him (his children being the prime target) to ensure he didn't put the word out, or, can walk it back later by disavowing it as a hoax which they pin on some other patsy.

>>213315529
Dont let the guy who wrote Troy's famously awful dialogue be your show runner nor his crayon wielding homunculus.

If you mean the books then theres no message because its not a parable or for children. Its designed to be antithetical to lotr so thematically it leans heavy into human nature and realism

>>213320549
Opiate sex is best sex, and it's also used as a painkiller for a reason, simple as

>>213325918
The most retarded part is needing to believe that Ned and Robb hadn't discussed every single possible scenario over the course of many, many years chatting well into the night by the fireplace, over mead.
Ned knew that Bobby B was married to a viper, it's incredible to think that he would not have planned contingencies with Robb for this exact scenario

>>213315529
It is impossible to be a good man and rule. Aragorn would be a wise ruler to kill even Orc children, but an evil man, and a good man but horrible king to leave them alive.

>>213323903
I never thought about it but the show and books dominated my life for that decade

>>213325894
The pic is missing another detail btw robb receives news of theon killing bran and rickon at the same time as he is recovering. Also the westerling parents are implied to have manipulated the situation too

>>213323903
Arya is a cool name though

>>213325934
>Its designed to be antithetical to lotr
True
>so thematically it leans heavy into human nature and realism
It's more about gratuitous sex and violence, LOTR is more abstract in it's telling of power and how it corrupts, and grit, but it's ultimately got a lot more truth in it.
I'll take a simple plot over a stupid one, GoT just piles on the twists and turns but never bothers to make any of it consistent, it's just noise and blood and sex

>>213325918
Ned owes stannis nothing. Stannis new about joffreys parentage and he did nothing to warn him or help him in KL (nor his brother). You cant necessarily refuse bannermen who all want to rightly secede a realm that no longer has the power to subdue you, they might just declare a new sovereign. Ned typically does the honorable thing and he in robbs situation he isnt honorbound to anyone besides his family and bannermen

Night King should have won. Then as all the remaining game players look over the frozen realm, shivering, starving, their armies and populace reduced to almost nothing, they realize the folly of continuing to fight each other in the face of looming armageddon

>>213326142
I was refering to the books not got

>>213323903
>Don't name your kids after TV show characters
This and never get tattoos of a band, sports teams, etc.
Never get tattoos.
Never wear a garment with another persons name on it (inner labels are fine).
Be photographed as little as possible.
Be two drinks ahead of everyone and the most sober guy in the room.
Enjoy the ride.

remember the old days, bros?

>>213326074
I'm still hyperfixated even though the fat man won't write, and I know he never will. Also, I thought that F&B sucked, so him not writing anymore might be for the best. I don't know why my brain is like this.

>>213326251
you're not wrong, F&B was shite and GRRM is a coward for backtracking so much on Rhaenyra

Besides Stannis, which show character got done the dirtiest?

>>213326304
maybe roose

>>213326248
Calves made of diamond, she will never not be hot

>>213326329
we've come so far

>>213325929
That was the plan and he did put word out. Joffrey ordered his death unexpectedly

>>213326272
Dance was a fucking mess.
>OH! O-oh right, the Stormlands army.
>uhhhhh...
>they got rek'd by like a 100 guys mostly made up of children and women
>yeah, it was rainy and muddy, don't worry about it
I'd bet my entire month's salary that he just forgot that they existed until the editor asked him about it.

>>213326352
They basically admitted to masturbating together

>>213326362
it's pretty bad
don't forget the riverlands being able to magick up armies to defeat the lannisters, baratheons and hightowers, and GRRM having Aemond just fly around burning farms and not participating in battles

>>213326248
Maisie is single. Waiting for you to go to Engerland and woo her.

Remember back when /tv/ was making sigils for the boards?

>>213326304

>>213326475
She's not a 2/10 with pointy elbows, but she's just objectively not attractive.

>>213326324

>>213326466
>and GRRM having Aemond just fly around burning farms and not participating in battles
To be fair, that's pretty classic Targtard behavior.

>>213326369
They learned all things about sex together kek

>>213326361
>Joffrey ordered his death unexpectedly
Exactly, offering what amounts to a public admission of his illegitimacy. The political fallout from this was... nothing, really.
It's set up as Pandora's Box but nothing of real consequence happens and Lannisters forces prevail. We're supposed to believe that this honour-based society has more mercenaries than soldiers?
It can't be reconciled and makes zero sense

Refute this.

You can't.

>>213315456 (OP)
Don't back down, double down!

>>213326546
Youre clearly autistic, andals arent 'honor based' and the execution started the war of the five kings essentially

>>213326520
I think that Ramsey killed Roose and Walda off-page before sending the pink letter, using the Winterfell serial killer as a cover. That's why he signed it as the lord of Winterfell. Come at me.

>>213326538
Yeah, but between The Princess and the Queen and F&B I just got burnt out on "and then the Greens lost again, their dragon riders were all dead or lost except for Daeron lol, and the Blacks pull more dragons and armies out of their ass. Oh but no one really wins the Dance and that's why Rhaenyra isn't remembered as a queen."
GRRM wanted Rhaenyra to be his proto-Dany or something, but couldn't change how the Dance had to end, so he wrote the Dance as incredibly one-sided but then the Blacks "don't win" somehow, even though they win.

Though I will say the ending in TPATQ at least made more sense.

>>213326475
She works EVERYTHING she's got, so hot
>>213326590
>andals arent 'honor based'
And Joffrey's bastard status doesn't matter, so Ned is just a retard king in the north who doesn't know that 99.9% of people don't care, spouting his mouth off to the queen. Excellent writing.

>>213326304
Barristan, Robb, ramsay even, the faceless men i mean pretty much everyone. Though LF is basically the opposite of what hes supposed to be so probably him

>>213326612
GURM is clearly team Black. But I don't think he cares for Nyra all that much. She's just Cersei. He's gay for Daemon, Nettles, dragon twins, and Corlys.

>>213326690
Oh yeah, Daemon's daughters. Possibly the most fatigue-inducing characters in the Dance.

>>213326688

>>213326304

classic /got/ was the best

>>213326634
You seem like a retard, theres already a post explaining neds motivations and if you read the books you would know he prepared for cersei trying to fuck him but it was undone by sansa. At no point was ned appealing to peasants or whatever you think

>>213326769
I'm actually embarrassed at how unfunny this is

>>213326769

kek

>>213315529
Fat pink mast

>>213326754
The two jews demand a rape scene for some reason....

>>213315541
>be a honorable guy who plays by the rules in politics full of cutthroat rivals willing to play dirty will see you fucked without lube

>>213326769
>brienne's retarded helmet
that little detail got a chuckle out of me

>>213326769
I'm actually proud at how funny this is

>>213326475
>>213326511
Her being not fat means I'd probably bang her after a couple drinks, I have zero standards.

>>213315529
peace

>>213326886
I would tickle her!

>>213327057

Gods we were based then

>>213315529
It's just cynicism. A lot of slightly above average intelligence people make the conclusion that things are pretty bleak if you look around, and then they share that insight thinking they're intelligent, laughing at the naive and hopeful for being idiots.

Uhhhhh blackcels? I don’t feel so good…

>>213324110
yes and nogs do stupid shit all the time, Meghan Markle literally nicknamed her kids using diminutives and keeps doubling down her surname is "Sussex" even though at best it used to be a title

Times you acted like Karl Drogo?

>>213326304
Littlefinger.

The most dangerous man in the kingdom to AAAHH I'VE BEEN OUTSMARTED BY TWO GIRLS PLEASE SANSA

>>213326520
Roose is such a sinister character in the books, the show turned him into a generic nobody

>>213315529
Dictatorship = bad, but they went about to prove this in the most retarded way.

>>213318258
Season 4 is basically the second half of book 3. Season 5 is kind of books 4 and 5 but wildly different because books 4 and 5 is where GRRM lost focus and really started meandering and adding a bunch of new plotlines and characters the show doesn't even bother with and they start replacing it with OC. Season 6+ is just OC. If you want to stop before the show gets bad, just stop at 4.

>Gets repeatedly stabbed in the stomach, gutted, belly sliced open by a dirty knife
>Falls off a bridge into dirty medieval sewer water full of shit and disease
>Eats some soup and fully recovers 24 hours later
What the fuck were they thinking?

>>213326304
Definately Barristan. They killed him off and jewed him out of the entire reagent of Meereen plotline to give meme dwarf and boring grey worm more screentime and to fuck over the actor for being a bookfag and criticizing how off the rails the show was going.

>>213326790
>at no point was ned appealing to peasants or whatever you think
45 IQ post

>>213327566
member how we all assumed Jaqen took her place and got killed instead of her just having inexplicable wolverine healing?

>>213327752
>Jaqen took her place
oh yeah that lad, whatever happened to him?

>>213315529
>What actually is the message of Game Of Thrones?

We need better leaders

>>213315529
>What actually is the message of Game Of Thrones?
We need better ladders.

>>213326304
>Besides Stannis, which show character got done the dirtiest?

>Jaime "I'm gonna throw my character development away" Lannister
>Barristan Selmy, "the legend", killed by literally who tier Sons of the Harpy
>Roose Bolton, killed in the most ridiculous way possible by his bastard
>Doran "weak men won't ever rule Dorne again" Martell
>Dany "having a bad day, time to burn down a city" Tagaryen

It's the who who's of character assassinations

>>213327951

>>213327712
Ok retard

>>213327951
>>Dany "having a bad day, time to burn down a city" Tagaryen
that part is at least telegraphed as early as season 1

>>213328210
It would have worked better with FAegon. Imagine getting cucked out of your life's ambition at the last second by some fake Targ.

>Ned: "'Oly fuck, 'ee's a bast'adh, int'e.... ace inn'it fookin' 'ole..."
>Joffrey: "OFF WITH HIS HEAD FOR CALLING ME A BASTARD WHICH I'M DEFINITELY CLEARLY NOT!"
>Tommen: "I got all the recessive genes!!!"
>Westeros: "We don't care, please carry on your illegitimate coup unopposed"
>Littlefinger: "Wh'ell, I sch'pose...."
Bravo!!!

I love Dorne in the books

But the show ruined it

>>213328210
>that part is at least telegraphed as early as season 1

It was supposed to be with Faegon and the wild fire and human shields, not whatever bullshit we got.

>>213315529
one in the palm two in the bush

>>213328301
yeah probably, but show Dany is a crazy bitch that's been threatening to burn people and cities since season 2

>>213327237
That fits though because she's sus and only good for sex

>>213328261
What world do you live in anon

At the time of Ned Stark's execution there were 4 rebellions forming
- Robb's (he wasn't declared king yet, and it had nothing to do with Joffrey's legitimacy)
- Renly's (once again, Renly had no idea Joffrey was a bastard, and it's even worse for his cause if he is, since it makes Stannis the legitimate option)
- Balon's (completely unrelated to Joffrey's legitimacy)
- Stannis (The disgruntled uncle disliked by everyone)
Letting Ned Stark live, even by going to the wall, would likely result in Robb siding with Stannis, which by the time would have Renly's army, and would probably weight more in Mace Tyrell's decision to join Joffrey.
Ned Stark lives = the war stops being about 4 people fighting for their own personal agendas and becomes a matter of Joffrey being a bastard or not.

Ned Stark was convinced Joffrey was a bastard, how do you tell him he can't go around telling people that? The minute Ned Stark left the dungeons someone would ask him what happened, even if he lies about the reason he was captured and his entire retinue was murdered, say it was a misunderstanding or even take the prestige hit and say he got caught embezzling money, would Robb as the new Lord Stark be ok with this shit?
>"oh yeah they killed all our friends and staff and your sisters are hostages now. I can't tell you why tho, just go along with it"
Killing Ned Stark was the only justified course of action, and when you realize Joffrey never questioned being Robert's son, it makes even more sense.

We're first introduced to Ned Stark by the execution of a deserter without any consideration for the reasons he deserted, Ned Stark attempted to seize the royal family in front of the entire court while calling him a bastard, what would Ned have done if someone tried to pull this shit with him?

>>213328563
>teleports my army across an entire continent behind you

>>213328737
>Letting Ned Stark live, even by going to the wall,
Which let's be honest, how is that even enforceable?

>>213315529
>the message of Game Of Thrones
Its entertainment. Stop overthinking things. You aren't built for that.

>>213320549
>extreme pain
For you

>>213328737
>Ned Stark was convinced Joffrey was a bastard, how do you tell him he can't go around telling people that?
So Cersei planned for Joffrey to go rogue and execute Ned, or someone else? Who planned this 4D chess move, because it seemed like keeping Stark alive and not flagrantly over reacting was the plan.
Or was Joffrey a savant 4D chessmaster?

>>213328737
Im not trying to be mean but i think you genuinely lack the social intuition necessary for this type of media

>>213328737
The thing with Joffrey was he wasn't stupid. He came up with the concept of national standing army of the entire Seven Kingdoms and definitely in the right to call out his cowardly grandfather. I think if Joff had lived he would have been a Henry VIII figure who brought radical change to Westerosi society if he was allowed to govern.

>>213328737
so Ned was just completely retarded? That's the plot?

>>213328884
See >>213315820

>>213328840
>So Cersei planned for Joffrey to go rogue and execute Ned, or someone else?
I think if anyone who would convince Joff it would have been Littlefinger because I think he's still bitter about Cat.

Varys was trying to stop the war from happening in order to keep grooming Faegon, but his failure to kill Dany and keep Robert alive only exasperated that, Ned's death was like the cherry on top.

Ultimately I think it was a Joff decision in order to legitimize his regime. Pardoning Ned means you can call the King a bastard and get away with it, it de-legitimizes everything, especially as the entire country is going into civil war over that legitimacy issue.

>>213328737
>how do you tell him he can't go around telling people that?
Sansa (and they thought Arya too) was held hostage. It's why he made the false confession in the first place, because he loves his daughters and cares about their lives more than his own honor.

>>213327973
>tfw no loyal giganigga to mourn my death

>Desired a centralized army and state, and limits to the excessive privileges of the nobility.
>Was right to be concerned about the Targaryen threat in Essos
>Wants to discontinue the feudal system and form a nation state
>Literally the only person with a vision beyond prolonging a garbage status quo that extends back at least 1000 fucking years

Was Joffrey secretly the smartest character in GOT?

If it weren't for the edgelord prostitute murderings Joffrey would have been a revolutionary leader for Westeros desu

Littlefinger killed him precisely because he needed chaos for his plans and Joffrey was bringing stability

>>213328959
I appreciate you spelling it out like that, it's a plausible take but it also sounds like the plot of an anime or soap opera.
I understand that it's a page turner and early seasons were highly watchable but the reputation it has for being realistic or well written is unwarranted, it's Dan Brown-tier nonsense

>>213328863
Joffrey was based

>>213329009
99% certainty he gets deposed and whoever does it will be granted absolute power by the thankful masses. He had zero experience and was unteachable so he would be exposed and punished inevitably

>>213329009
Louis XI is possibly the closet parallel I can find to Joff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XI

there probably would have been something like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_War during Joff's regime because the landed nobility would have revolted over those reforms.

>>213329193

Stannisfags still in denial. GRRM was going to make him burn his daughter in the books too.

>>213329193
Joffrey had the most kino outfits desu

>>213329363
>GRRM was going to make him burn his daughter in the books too.
The books aren't coming out. We remain undefeated.

>>213329372

How did Jon Snow recognize Stannis in this scene. They've never met before.

>>213329425
he met robert, and he knew renly was dead, so the odds for this guy wearing a stag crest were pretty good that he was the last baratheon

>Reddit sides with the Blacks
>/tv/ sides with the Greens

how did it end up like this?

>>213329752
Is anyone even team black any more? I thought they all died with season 2 except for a few twitter trannies. This is aegons show now, full stop

>>213329752
>book greens = reddit
>book blacks = /tv/

>>213329860
lmao

If Aliser Thorne ever learned of Jon's heritage it would play out like this scene in Code Geass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DthVDKHw3YQ

uncle benjen!

>>213329363

>Blackwoods, Starks, Targaryens, Tullys, Martells, Tyrells, Arryns, = Reddit
>Brackens, Lannisters, Baratheons, Hightowers, Greyjoys, Blackfyres, Boltons, Peakes = /tv/

>>213330219
probably right

shame about the tullys

In the context of the show, I don't really see how littlefinger had a choice. His betrayal where he grabbed ned seemed on rewatch like a sudden turnheel when he saw the lannisters were going to act. Ned was at fault.

>>213330319
>a sudden turnheel when he saw the lannisters were going to act
almost like chaos drove his actions and he used that uncertainty to elevate himself

>>213330442
almost like chaosh ish a lhadder

how does littlefinger have no siblings or other relatives?

not that it's impossible, but it's just weird how small almost all the families are

>>213330582
in the show or books?

>>213330690
both

it's just weird that he's the only member of the fourth generation of his family in westeros

to say nothing of houses like the starks, baratheons, arryns, tullys, targaryens, etc having no cousins or cadet branches

I'd lieke seein yu in silk dress Ygritt. So ay culd thear it uff yu.

I miss when this show was airing. 4chan was more fun. The world seemed more fun.

fuck

wish that fag grrm could have told them where Littlefinger and Varys' stories were going so they didn't just turn them into buffoons and make up generic deaths

Game of Thrones is famous as "grey morality" fantasy, but who are these supposed "morally grey" characters even?

Unambiguously good characters: all Starks, Tyrion, unhanded Jaime, Brienne, Sam, Varys, Gendry, Daenerys (book version), The Hound, Davos, Renly
Unambiguously evil characters: Cersei, Tywin, fullhand Jaime, Joffrey, Viserys, Littlefigner, all Boltons, The Mountain, Daenerys (show version)

Out of main characters, only Stannis can be considered morally ambiguous, and only because he has autism

>>213331013
Theon Greyjoy

Is it even possible to enjoy a rewatch of GoT? How far do you get before you just quit?

>>213330010
had me gigglin' like a right retard at this post anon
good times

>>213330010
>>213330817
>I dun wan it

>>213330904
yeah

>>213331083
Nope. It's worth has gone completely down the drain. Used to rewatch them in the waits between seasons. Back when it seemed like it was going somewhere great. Just a giant waste of time and a stinky turd of a show.

>>213331145
I think I would still enjoy season 1.

>>213331083
I rewatch it when I want to relive the 10s, happier times. Even the bad seasons.

>>213315456 (OP)
>>213315529
THey should show the political fallout more of being publicly untrustworthy. if you are subtly untrustworthy, thats fine, but people got really ass fucked back in the day if they blatantly backstabbed instead of fabricating a believable enough claim.

social capital is actually really important in politics.

>>213331126
Carl Drogo and James Lancaster easily. They're both elite. Sure, Robert was a murderbot in his prime, but Ned is just a regular bloke. Replace Ned with Barry Stan or Arthur Dayne, then its fair

>>213315456 (OP)
>kill off the best characters
thanks George

>>213331215
>brings him back in time travel
thanks George

>>213331409

>>213331174
will we ever get a decade as good again?

>>213331409
damn

>>213331464
it's all downhill from here

>>213326847
Basically this. Ned was way too honorable and naive to think that something like this wouldn't happen.

>>213331126
Prime Robert solos

>>213318457
>>213325894
I actually forgot the details of how Robb ended up with her in the books by the time I was watching the show. Nevertheless I was still pissed off how fucking retarded show Robb was to BRING HER WITH HIM to show off to the Freys, like he was deliberately trying to insult them or something.

>>213315529
shows dont have messages retard

>>213331735
yeah it was dumb

>>213325611
It was white soi ribbitors naming their kids Khaleesi

NEVER NO BITCH SHIT
EVER

>>213332057
They look like episodic One Piece characters

>>213315456 (OP)
>have ace in the hole nephew who is the rightful king
>send him off to die young at the Wall
>after promising his Mom you'd keep him safe
a thing a lot of people miss is that Ned dying was divine punishment for breaking his vow, there's a reason he constantly has nightmares about Lyanna while he's rotting in the cell

>>213333593
...did you pay attention watching the show at all? Kek

>>213320801
>>213320411
Cat is a brainlet who almost single-handedly lost Robb the war through her retardation
>force Ned to send Jon away to the Wall where he's useless
>get Ned rekt by kidnapping Tyrion
>don't warn Robb like Ned ordered her to do
>free Jaime and cost Robb his most valuable hostage and piss off the Karstarks

The more I read the books, the more disappointed I get with the show. People talk about seasons 7 & 8 being the fall off but nigga this shit was rigged from the start. Why the fuck did they take away Jon’s ambition? And the shit they did to Euron was a fucking tragedy. The fucking theorycrafting plebbitors could’ve come up with a more satisfying show.

>>213333747
>Where do whores go?
I’m still pissed we’ll never find out

>>213333773
She's obviously dead, it's not like Tywin would have let her live to spread the tale and bring shame to even his least liked relative.

>>213333805
But who would believe a whore? And I’m sure he put the fear of god into her when he had his soldiers run a train on her that night.

>>213331126
Robert's hammer makes armor irrelevant and Drogo's weapons are useless against armor. Bobby and Ned win easily. Jaime is an overrated jobber whose most impressive actual combat performance is killing a few green boys in their first ever battle before getting captured

>>213315529
Books: The human heart in conflict with itself or something

Show: Holy shit

>>213326304
Jon, he was the one who rally everyone to fight the WW just to be NTR of his destiny by his adoptive sister for le epic jump

>>213326224
Sounds boring as fuck, no thanks

>>213331083
I can't. Since the finale, I haven't watch a single episode. I gave HOTD a chance but all the retarded chances in S2 kill it for me

>>213333747
removing Stoneheart was proof they were hacks who didn't understand the core themes of the series and how it all ties together. Not including Tower of Joy in season 1 was a red flag, butchering Robb's character in season 2/3 was also an early sign of things to come

>>213334238
I never watched HOTD. Just looked like some more OMG TARG WOMAN STRONG shit for women.

>>213315456 (OP)
Is braavos the israel of that world since the iron bank is located their

>>213334413
if Israel was built in Venice then yeah.

>>213334434
Merchants and people who can have multiple faces live in braavos. Sounds like jews to me

>>213320599
The fuck, how old is Robb in the books?

>>213334585
Yeah but being the refugees hiding in swamps and turning it into a major merchant city? it's just page for page taken from the early history of Venice.

>>213334777
Pre pube

>>213326171
Nah, the Night King & Jon were fated to fight with Jon probably winning.

>>213325531
>can you imagine if the reigning leader just blew up a part of the capital
Haha, yeah.

>>213326369
All besties masturbate together and lick each others pussies and then spend the rest of their lives comparing the penises that they've sucked.

>>213334585
Venetian merchants were Jews.
>>213335048
>>213326171
Night king is a shit character. They should've scrapped the white walkers entirely and focused solely on the iron throne.

>>213315529
It's an Anti-Christian rhetoric.
Martin made the series as a sort of "fuck you" to Tolkien because he hated everything about LoTR and how positive and hopeful it seemed to have made everything, so he wanted to just do the complete opposite of it, not realizing that the opposite to a theme and message surrounding that of hope and perseverance rooted in Christian doctrine is that of misery and demonic imagery though the exaltation of sin as something to strive for, like how he keeps putting sex and rape scenes everywhere and continues to just make everything bleak and feeling hopeless and shit to the point it may or may not start eating at your soul at some point and cause you to you yourself give up and start being a cynical twat.

There's a very specific reason the show itself failed and Martin himself will never get to finish his books, as opposed to LoTR actually finishing all its movie anthology and Tolkien actually having finished his book in full.

>>213326605
Mance sent the pink letter and desu the hint is a bit too obvious.

>>213327566
Apparently the actress had to insist on the recovery scene because otherwise D&D wouldn't have even had that. Sounds believable desu.

>>213315529

It's a deconstruction of fantasy. An anti-Tolkien narrative. I would argue there isn't a message; it's more like a manifesto of "See, you stupid milquetoast nerd!? This is how people really are!" Martin based a lot of his work on historical examples but made sure to introduce fantasy character archetypes so he could flip the script and show what would happen to such people in the "real" world.

Sean Bean playing Ned feels like meta-commentary. He's literally Boromir transported into a realistic world, except instead of being tempted by a magical ring, he just got involved in politics. And his mistake was being honest like Boromir.

Martin however, missed the point of fantasy entirely, even if he just wanted to entertain. Fantasy is about constructing moral virtues like Aesop's Fables, not deconstructing them. It's not just escapism but paragons to hold our own selves to, so that we have models to be better. For all of his shit-talking Tolkien, The Fellowship represents the peak of what it means to be healthy-minded and able men who would be a benefit to society. Even clownish Merry still puts in positive work, despite his mistakes and screw-ups.

Meanwhile, all of Martin's men are not only fucked up but when they do grow, they get killed or punished as their reward.

Martin's work boils down to, "You can have morality if you like but be ruthless, because everyone else is." A glaring contradiction that sparks the appeal. Everyone believes they're doing "the right thing" when they're all just being assholes and making things objectively worse for everyone else. No one really "wins" or "loses", it's just pain, loss, suffering, anger, and torment broken up with fleeting victories, ego stroking, and power-climbing.

A nihilist's story of the world. Sad shit when you really look at it. Well written but sad shit.

It's just a shallow fat man's dilettante reading of history where his biggest take away was "wow people got raped and killed" There's no need to examine it deeply because there's nothing to examine.

>>213330319
Several more savvy guys quite clearly told Ned what he should do, he disregarded them and paid for his retardation. Simple as.

>>213331013

>who are these supposed "morally grey" characters even?
Literally everyone.

Ned refuses to tell Cat the truth about Jon's parentage, resulting in him being tormented his entire life for shit he didn't do, thus he grows up with a chip on his shoulder. He also refused to speak up for Jaime, the man who literally saved their lives by killing the Mad King.

Arya becomes a murder-hobo and let the Hound steal from innocent peasants.

Sansa lies and gets her dad killed and is obsessed with being "a proper lady". Had Joffrey been halfway nice, she'd have turned into a complete bitch. Literally had to have her notions abused out of her.

Jaime literally tried to murder a child and crippled him for life. Nothing makes up for that.

Sam is a coward who refused to work on himself to be better. Being a fat craven who never improves himself isn't moral, no matter how smart he is...Especially when he's expected to back up his brothers-in-arms and have them depend on him in life or death situations.

Daenerys becomes bloodthirsty the moment she gets power and rewarded her most trusted and loyal advisor with exile because he gave her the "ick". Without her dragons, she's literally nothing but a spoiled demanding brat.

The Hound is an unapologetic murderer, who only looks good because his brother is a psychopath.

Ser Davos is a lickspittle who refuses to call Stannis out when it matters most. He tries though.

Renly was an ambitious know-it-all and opportunist who betrayed his brother to claim the throne for himself.

It should be noted that most of Martin's good characters are lowborn or of lower status in ASOIAF. Very few who make it to high-status or were born to it, are good people.

>>213330756
>to say nothing of houses like the starks, baratheons, arryns, tullys, targaryens, etc having no cousins or cadet branches
Karstarks exist and the Lannisters have a branch like that too. But yeah, it's simplified.

>>213331013
What a weird take, if anything the show Dany is whitewashed to a ridiculous fashion which ruins the whole characterization.

Varys and Tyrion are both murderous selfish assholes.

>>213336452
Martin is a bitter little shit that doesn't care about helping people become better through holding themselves in comparison to some model character in media. He just wants to feel like he's sticking it up to Tolkien specifically in here and get all the praise and hailing around he wants for writing misery porn. The way he basically sees the world is that he holds good people in contempt and wants to reinforce the idea of everyone that they should be as vile as possible because only bad people get rewarded for being "cunning" or whatever by lying their way through life.

>>213315529
The entire theme of the first half of ASoIaF is that Bobby B was a standard fantasy hero, who led a righteous rebellion against an evil incestual mad king and the evil playboy prince, but it turns out being able to defeat an evil king has nothing to do with running a country. Bobby B turned out to be a shitty king who left the kingdom a bankrupt house of cards that collapsed into a five-way civil war.

>>213333747
Morons would have loved it until the end if they just got their fairytale happy ending.

The first drop in quality is after the first season, third one has the first signs of "wait what the fuck are these retards doing" and then fourth season is already half original material that would be considered embarrassing if it happened in CSI Miami.

Whatever happened to just depicting good as good and evil as evil?

>>213336753
Sam in the books has clearly gotten both thinner and more courageous over the books, it's just the actor who was so fucking lazy that he just kept getting fatter.

>>213315529
no message. its BS drama

>>213315529
its about peace in the middle east my dude

I WANT DA BAD POOOSEY

>>213333747
>Euron

>>213337904
finger in bum innit

>>213315529
>What actually is the message of Game Of Thrones?

>>213315499
It’s weird because Littlefinger actually gives Ned good advice. He tells him to pay lip lipservice to the Lannisters rather than trying to stage a coup in the middle of the capital surrounded by Lannister soldiers.

>>213337996
Littlefinger knew that Ned is going to take over if he just doesn't act retarded and he would have been on the winning side then. Giving him advice was the smart move, just like betraying him was.

Confronting Cersei about it was a retarded move which is how you know it was a D&D creation.

>>213336948
>The entire theme of the first half of ASoIaF is that Bobby B was a standard fantasy hero, who led a righteous rebellion against an evil incestual mad king and the evil playboy prince, but it turns out being able to defeat an evil king has nothing to do with running a country. Bobby B turned out to be a shitty king who left the kingdom a bankrupt house of cards that collapsed into a five-way civil war.
I like this take in its simplicity but it brings an interesting question. If GRRM is such an anti establishment commie hippie, why does he portray the act of overthrowing the monarchy and "breaking the wheel" as the ultimate end goal knowing it just maximizes the suffering to reach what is essentially the same end result, ie. small folk aren't better or worse off? Forgetting about the TV show's ending, I still can't see how the story ends with Jon & Dani ruling as consuls at the head of the republic of westeros. Even the book dani has hints of incompetency built in.

>>213337904
chad finger in the bum funnyman > virgin walls of text man

>>213338288
>why does he portray the act of overthrowing the monarchy and "breaking the wheel" as the ultimate end goal
Does he?

>Even the book dani has hints of incompetency built in.
Book Dany is a complete sociopath who tortures innocent little girls, burns people alive and regularly crucifies kids and it's baffling that people somehow still missed that she isn't exactly the hero that you're supposed to root for even when half of the last book consisted of people pointing out that these niggas tend to go mad.

>>213338320

>>213320991
>What even was Neds and hers problem with the whole bastard thing. Throughout the books we meet several bastard knights of various southern houses.
Insecurities about Ned and her children.
Ned:
>Jon being raised in Winterfell is "prooff" that Ned loved another woman and still have feelings for her
>Cat grew to deeply love Ned but this unnamed woman (Ned refused to even speak about Jon's mother) always was a shadow in their marriage
Her children:
>bastards can be a legit threat to trueborn children, Cat would know of the Blackfyres but Ramsay Snow murdering his Bolton brother to take his place his right next door, though she would be unaware of that one
>all her children save Arya have the Tully look, but everyone can tell at first glance Jon is a Stark's Stark, so she worry that Jon might be more appealing to their vassals

Her feelings made perfect sense. And it's not like Jon was mistreated by her. He was raised alongside the trueborn children, had his own bedroom, ate good and warm food at the same table as the Starks (you can tell by the reactions at Jon being moved at another table during the royal visit feast)... Jon had a better education and childhood than 99% of people in Westeros. Cat not acting like she was her mother (because she wasn't) is the worst he had to endure. He acknowledges that later.

And bastards aren't raised by their fathers as a rule. Jon's situation really was unusual. IIRC we have another case of this happening, a girl growing up as a servant in her father's keep in the Reach. When the Ironborn come, she willingly fucks Euron and happily watches her family getting tormented.

>>213338424
>Does he?
if the rumor that he gave DnD the cliffsnotes version of how the books he envisioned end then the whole story is about overthrowing the monarchy to establish some sort of theocratic republic

>>213338518
His notes were
>bran king
>hodor door
>dany bad
written on a stained napkin.

>>213338424
>Book Dany is a complete sociopath who tortures innocent little girls, burns people alive and regularly crucifies kids
A complete 180 from the show Dany so of course people are pissed when she does a complete 180 destroying KL

>>213315529
'everything is so bad boo hoo hoo, humans are not nice to eachother boo hoo hoo, but also i'm incredibly intelligent for being the only person on earth who realised this'

>>213336753
>Ned refuses to tell Cat the truth about Jon's parentage
Its a white lie nothing immoral about it, if anything its heroic to compromise your public image of an honorable man to save life
>Arya becomes a murder-hobo
Righteous revenge
>Sansa lies and gets her dad killed
Unintentional
>Jaime literally tried to murder a child and crippled him for life.
Jaime's character is uncomplicated, he's an arrogant romantic with a main character syndrome, only after getting crippled he begins to reflect upon his life
>Sam is a coward who refused to work on himself to be better
Being cowardly is not immoral especially when your father is an asshole who abused you
>Daenerys becomes bloodthirsty the moment she gets power
Book Dany is shown to be good at every opportunity, sometimes it backfires like with the whole slave liberation
>The Hound is an unapologetic murderer
Unapologetic murderer with a heart of gold

>>213339124
>Book Dany is shown to be good at every opportunity

>>213333731
Every character makes mistakes. Cat is the one who gets judged most harshly for them.
>force Ned to send Jon away to the Wall where he's useless
She didn't do that. Sure, she applied pressure when Jon said that he was interested, but she has no real authority. It's on Ned. And if we solely blame her for that, then she's the reason Jon defended the Wall from wildling invasion. Go Cat, the savior of the North.
>get Ned rekt by kidnapping Tyrion
She was trying to do the exact opposite. She doesn't have the knowledge that we as the readers do, and thought that Tyrion was in on whatever Cersei was plotting. Him going to KL would out the fact that she and Ned are investigating the Lannisters. She was also counting on having a valuable hostage, but Lysa fucked her.
>don't warn Robb like Ned ordered her to do
She did. It's easy to miss because the information is revealed in Bran's chapter, who doesn't really get what's going on. Not her fault that Robb ignored her and Ned regarding Theon. Everything else, he did as he was told.
>free Jaime and cost Robb his most valuable hostage and piss off the Karstarks
That was dumb and desperate. Chances are that Karstarks would have killed Jaime anyway though, so they'd lose him as a hostage anyway. At least with him alive, she hoped that her daughters would be spared.

>>213339383
To add to Tyrion's arrest, she didn't even want to do it. She was doing her best to slip by him unnoticed, but Marillion was being too much of a faggot.

>>213325943
This statement makes no sense.

Anon asks
>how can you do this if pharmacon X inhibits the ability to do that
and you answer with
>just take X and do it anyway, simple as

>>213326304
It's a shame. The casting for Stannis was great, but nigger and faggot couldn't help but let their biases inform the character.

>>213326304
In the acceptable seasons (1-3) Renly is by far the biggest mistake and it's not just a mistake but it clearly shows that they're juvenile fucking idiots who have no idea what they doing.

He's supposed to be like young Robert except even more charismatic and carefree with some slight hints of homosexuality that most people missed and they casted some limp-wristed nerd and turned his character into "lol this guy sucks dick". Embarrassing for everyone involved.

>>213331083
Until the end of season 4. There are many points that bother me along the way, first major one is Robb's jewish bangmaid, but it takes a sharp nosedive with season 5 and the substance is all gone.

>>213339906
Is season 4 when the red wedding happens? I don't remember, but it's the turning point in the books as well. After it the story just sucks, other than a few minor character arcs like Jaime.

>>213339811
For me, what sets Stannis apart from the other characters that were ruined is that it clearly wasn't done because they didn't have enough screentime to give him proper characterization. He has A LOT of screentime, but they spent the majority of it having him look at the flames like a crazed zealot or lusting after Melisandre like a horny teenage boy, instead of taking a minute to explain his motivations, which are pretty simple and straightforward compared to other characters. It really feels like a case of D&D hating Stannis instead of just being lazy, prideful hacks.

>>213339811
>nigger and faggot couldn't help but let their biases inform the character
It's nothing compared to The House of Rhaenyra. Now, GURM's dance was awful. But at the hands of competent writers, it could have been kino. Sadly, that's not what we've got.

>>213339979
>It really feels like a case of D&D hating Stannis
They literally admitted this btw.

Also Stephen had no fucking idea what he was doing but he was getting paid so he did it anyway.

>>213339933
Red wedding is end of season 3. Season 4 is mainly King's Landing stuff with Tyrion's trial, Sansa going off to The Eyrie, not-Helm's Deep happening at The Wall and some shit no one cares about with Daenerys at Meereen.
Season 5 is
>Jaime and Bronn rescue mission filler arc
>Littlefinger gives Sansa to the Boltons for some reason
>Ramsay goes on mustache-twirling villain adventures and defeats Stannis
etc.
I thought Ramsay killing Roose was there too but that's season 6, but there's a lot of other stupid bullshit to make up for it.

>>213339979
I'd argue that Stannis isn't THAT simple. He starts off as Hillary Clinton going MY TURN, mostly acting out of hurt for not being loved by his brothers. But he grows into a hero who tries to be worthy of the crown, even though he knows that it will ultimately destroy him, because it's his duty and the right thing to do. Too bad he is set up for a tragic fall.

Season 4 would probably still be good if you just cut out all the retarded shit. Actually you could make one good episode that involves Joffreys death and Oberyn and leave it at that because the jewish fucking retards managed to even butcher everything around Tywins death.

>>213315529
>Power is where its percieved to be
>Honor is reserved for the stories in books
The only reason, why the ''bad guys'' lose is because of magical interference

>>213315529
The more you shit the more you thirst, the more you thirst the more you shit. Logs of logs of female shit

>>213340110
idk, there was a lot of insultingly bad writing in s4
>shirtless ramsey sue soloing the ironborn
>lysa giving the worst exposition dump in history of television that leads nowhere because sansa didn't hear it
>petyr has no plan on how to get out of murdering lysa and has to be saved by a teenager who up to that point showed no inkling of cunning
>screen time between two major characters wasted on D&D spitefully calling their critic a retard for like ten minutes
>jaime rapes cersei
>brienne is a retard and a dick who nearly gets arya killed for no reason, she also straight up ignores sansa while in KL
>jaime and tyrion's goodbye ruins tyrion's arc going forward, and makes his assassination of tywin nonsensical
There's probably more, but I'm too fatigued just thinking about it.

>>213333747
this happens with every single book adaptation so enjoy feeling the same sense of wasted potential every time you watch one

>>213340223
Yeah I was kinda implying that 95% of it was retarded shit.

>>213331126
Two whites vs non-white and white
Robert and Ned low-mid dif

>>213332057
>that fat retard muttgolem factory in the front
Americans are fucking terrifying

>>213331126
Ned was an adequate fighter, but nothing special. He gets taken out early, Bobby hammers Drogo who can't do shit with his weapon of choice can't do shit against a war hammer, Jaime slices Bobby to ribbons.

>>213326163
Not a question of owing him. A Stark/Tully/Baratheon alliance had every reason to be on the same side and would have won the war easily. Northern independence makes no real sense as a cause, the South has barely has any contact with the North and isn't capable of interfering with what lords in remote locations feel like doing. For example, Roose claims he and others like the Umbers keep prima nocte rights, which would be appalling to Southerners. There isn't really a reason for Northern lords to want independence because they're too far from the throne's reach to feel hindrances from its authority.

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>>213336948
Except Robert was the best monarch depicted and gave the realm decades of peace. It's more shitty advisors and schemers that caused the war. Such as his wife randomly deciding to fuck her brother and have his children instead. And Robert isn't responsible for a shitty traitor like Renly. They would have easily won if he had kept to his duties and oaths instead of being an opportunist

>>213340973
Bobby was a shit king though. He sunk into depression, alcoholism, and whoring, letting the corruption of the court go unchecked. Sure, Jon and Stannis were there, and later Ned, but the more numerous and malign influences won out. If Robert wasn't so passive, maybe the Baratheon dynasty would have grown into something great. Instead, his absent reign sets the stage for the devastating war of the five kings.
He isn't up there with some of the worst kings in history the way Targstans depict him as, but I can't call him a good ruler.