Kevin Feige resign when?

>>213317722 (OP)
You lost. It didnt bomb. Seethe more.

>>213317744
General audiences don’t care about Marvel and Pedro Pascal.

>>213317722 (OP)
Can't account for shit taste. This was the freshest a Marvel movie has looked or felt while watching probably since Guardians 1 and of course we won't get anymore of it because general audiences CRAVE turds reheated in the microwave.

>>213317835
it was boring is why desu

>>213317890
No, it was good and fun. Kys

>>213317835
LMAO, it's Marvel in what, phase 17. Stop praising comic book trash, across the board.

>>213317835
Not watching it.

>>213317835
>you just didn't get it
this could become Marvelfags' own BvS if someone actually cared enough

>>213317722 (OP)
They fucked up by releasing it right after superman. If they were 4 weeks earlier it would have dominated.

>>213317972
that would explain a low opening, not shitty legs

>>213317722 (OP)
Pedrobros…we got too anxious…

go woke go broke

>>213317722 (OP)
It's roughly in line with Thunderbolts. Idk if you consider thunderbolts a flop or success. Depends on the person I guess

>>213317835
Did you genuinely like it or is this bait? Irl people hated the team and the plot. I haven't heard anyone praise it who wasn't online

>>213317835
it's over, Kevin. Give up

>>213317972
Was extremely front heavy implying this was just the usual Marvel base. But then not staying after if you got this drop

>>213318103
>Idk if you consider thunderbolts a flop or success.
This was an article by Variety commissioned by Kevin Feige to convince everyone things would get back on track, and in it he confirms Thunderbolts flopped, and blamed that on "too many characters from the Disney+ shows" even though John Walker was the only character not from the movies lmao

>>213318098
Real or AI?

>>213317722 (OP)
Pedo Rascal

>>213318191
real

>>213317914
When something deserves to be praised, I praise it.
This is the only movie from marvel that EVER captured the innocence and wholesome nature of the 1960s comic era.
The production design is stellar. It actually looks completely different from all the other marvel slop.
The film is mostly about the importance of family and teamwork, things you'd think were outdated in our shitty narcissistic age.
There is basically 0 politics or shitty humor to deflate tension which is what I've hated about Marvel slop forever.

I'll say the quiet part out loud. Gunns Superman movie felt more like a continuation of Marvel slop while F4 felt like a course correction. I was hoping we'd get something more akin to Donners Superman from Gunn but his Reddit mental illness is clearly terminal.
>Convoluted Multiverse-tier plot
>Too many characters
>Action is poorly directed jank
>Reddit Whedon quipping
etc

F4 actually had
>Appropriate situational humor
>Action that was well thought-out and choreographed
>Tasteful cosmic scenes (unlike Superslop)
>Dramatic stakes that felt real for the film (Galactus is coming to destroy our planet), not 4 different threats like Superman)
>Interesting, unique production design (unlike Gunns superman, especially the pocket universe)

F4 actually felt fresh and everyone is dismissing it as "boring" because they're ADHD slop addicts yet pretend to criticize grimdark quipfests while not praising something for doing something different just because it's Marvel.

If you like Superman more than F4, you like reddit capeshit slop full-stop and you want more of it, not less.

Objective fact.

>>213318234
Is that hank or Mike as thing? Hank cause of minerals right?

>>213318437
even that screencap looks like ass

>>213317722 (OP)
>Cuts off Superman's wings
>Fails too at the same time
Perfect, kill all capeshit

>>213317722 (OP)
>try to force epic girlbosses
>fail
>try to force epic girlbosses
>fail
>try to force epic girlbosses
>but this time things will be different

>>213318130
Genuinely liked it and typed a novel explaining why. This is the first comic book movie I would actually say is appropriate for its intended audience: children and families.

Let the children enjoy the comic book movies, instead of the terminally-online manchildren who want Lex Luthor to shoot a character in the head for literally no reason but then at the same time try to make him quippy and ironic?

Superman was frustrating and the fact that it "seems" to be getting better word-of-mouth is just more evidence that "we" get the slop "we" deserve.

Anyone praising Superman while decrying Marvel is the equivalent of the people who bought Modelo instead of Bud Light during that controversy. It's the same thing. You're just pretending it's different.

>>213318437
The movie has no interest from anyone, even here. All the threads were about it vs superman in some weird pathetic console wars bait threads. Even your defence of the movie stoops to that cretinous level. The bottom line is real people don't give a shit.

>>213318717
see:
>>213318826

>>213318717
But like did you like the movie? Or are you just surprised it wasn't the norm and you were happy for a change of pace?

>>213318717
Honestly I liked the movie too but I can't disagree with you more that this movie is "appropriate for children," given it's pretty dull and slow at times. If I was a kid I'd probably have fallen asleep watching it. Just because you say the word "family" a lot doesn't make it an actual family movie.

The Incredibles showed how to make Fantastic 4 a family movie, get rid of their weird 4 some aspect and just make them a normal family with kids.

>>213318717
>comic book movie
>intended audience: children and families
this is why your movies are failing

>>213318915
I liked the movie. I thought it was what a comic book movie should have been all along. I never got the praise that marvel movies received. They always looked and felt flat or engineered for audience enjoyment to me like a McDonald's hamburger in movie form. The 1st Avengers in particular always annoyed me with how highly it was praised, I have never understood it.

There was nothing in them that transported me to a different world for its runtime. They felt small, ugly, predictable and annoying tonally.

Say what you will about DCs horrible movies but I did not feel the same way about Nolans batman movies, even though they were still somewhat boring visually or Synders Watchmen. I also didn't feel that way about Del Toros Hellboy movies. Even Wan's Aquaman looked visually-appealing even though I never saw it.
They had a lot going for them overall. Marvel shit has always been boring and overly "realistic" looking to me which I've never understood.

Ff4 is the first one, other than Guardians 1 which I could pick out of a lineup. Maybe it was just a matter of a film I had 0 expectations for feeling fresh and like it knew what it wanted to be and executed it perfectly (for my money) that made me enjoy it as much as I did. Plus I really enjoyed the Retrofuturism production design which again, felt very fresh compared to the usual flat, realistic and boring style Marvel movies all have in common.

Ff4 actually felt like a comic book movie. It knew what it was and it took itself, it's world and it's dramatic moments seriously instead of trying to be "realistic and grounded" or ironic.

It was a sincere movie and that was very refreshing especially after I had seen Gunn's Superman and was incredibly frustrated by it.

according to chudonomics this needs a clean biili to break even

>>213318990
Feel free to disagree but I would feel 1000x more comfortable showing my child F4 rather than Superman.

I probably enjoyed it so much because it did remind me of Incredibles rather than so many other Marvel slopfests.

I thought the action scenes were well done and not done at all, especially the cosmic ones were quite spectacular visually.

>>213319382
Either are fine for a kid to watch, I just don't think a kid would actually enjoy the Fantastic 4 nearly as much. It didn't really remind me of the Incredibles at all aside from the superficial comparisons that there's 4 of them with similar powers and the vague family themes. The Incredibles were a normal family with 2 kids, while the F4 is composed of the main guy, his wife, his best friend and his brother-in-law. Also The Incredibles are relatable because they're just normal people who have powers and deal with normal people stuff like getting laid off at your soulless white collar job, while the F4 are genius celebrity scientists who seemingly make all the decisions for their entire world that they've turned into some sort of techno utopia.

>action scenes
There's like 2 of them, and the space scene was well done, but the Galactus fight was kind of underwhelming. This hyped up threat ultimately just walks down the street for 5 minutes before getting shoved into the portal.

>>213319077
This is why our planet is failing. Grow up please. Adults can still have X-Men, Batman, Deadpool etc but let the kids have Fantastic 4, Spiderman or Superman. Not everything has to be made for childless man children with Funko collections.

Parents also buy a lot of toys, js.

>>213319303
I didn’t watch Superman because James Gunn is a cancer to the art of writing but as a standalone film FF was ok, nothing too spectacular and the numbers reflect that- it looked great visually, no ones denying that- but as a story? It fell flat and was just boring overall, I think the actors did well with what was given but that must have been the easiest paycheck they’ve ever gotten because it wasn’t much…but it did feel like a comic I won’t lie in terms of structure and pace, I could easily see myself reading that- but it’s a comic book “movie”- not a comic book, needed more

>>213319473
i took my nephew and his friends to both and they preferred superman way more tbqh. they kind of walked out of F4 just saying it was alright but didn't shut the fuck up about Superman the whole way home and he has a Krypto plushie now

Bump

>>213317744
>F4 didn't bomb
>Superman bombed
>Superman made more money than F4
Does disney hire exclusively schizos now?

>>213319382
The Incredibles?! The dialogue rich action packed multiple location set emotionally captivating Incredibles?? You’re insane

>>213318437
>has to bring up superchad to make people care about this flop
Marlel is dead, bury it

>>213318437
that's AI right ? look so fucking bad

>>213319454
*Not dull at all*
I see your point about the family aspect but for me the whole point of the film was sort of becoming a family through heroism, not re-bonding with your family like the Incredibles. Like for instance when Johnny says "Tell him his uncle Johnny loves him" or something like that right before he's about to sacrifice himself to defeat Galactus I thought was delivered with some genuine pathos or how they basically are saying to the people of earth "I know you're scared but we aren't going to give up our child in hopes that it solves the problem, we can find another way"

Again all of this feels unique to this film and unlike many of really, any other Marvel movies.

Mark Kermode said it was like the Waltons in space or something like that, which I would agree with which I think somewhat bolsters my argument that it is a very family-oriented movie
I just wanted them to return to the city to fight Galactus, which they did. So I was satisfied but I could see why you and others would find it anticlimactic. The movie clearly seemed to have been heavily-edited for runtime but I think it actually works in its favor. Idk I didn't feel like I needed MORE whereas in Superman I **definitely** felt like I needed LESS

>>213318437
Guess what MotherFucker! We still ain't Fucking watching it!

>>213319559
I never said it was as good. I absolutely love the Incredibles but this was much closer to the Incredibles tonally than anything Marvel has ever done imo.

>>213319716
>we
Muh contrarion internet club lol

>>213319674
I feel that line didn't really have any punch because it's not as if Johnny had some sort of arc leading up to that where he had to learn to value his family. I completely believe Johnny at the beginning of the movie would have done that sacrifice the same as Johnny at the end. He's a static character, honestly all of them are.
>I know you're scared but we aren't going to give up our child in hopes that it solves the problem, we can find another way"
This was okay in idea, but honestly the execution felt lacking. The entire world is going to be destroyed, and it's kind of the F4's fault, or at the very least they're the only ones that can stop it. But the only blowback they get is a kid being rude to the rockman on the street, and like 200 protesters outside their house. How is the entire world not breaking down their doors at this point? It's been months. It makes the entire world they're fighting to save feel like a background set filled with NPCs, which makes the stakes of it being destroyed feel inconsequential. The idea that that can all be resolved with a middling speech and then they can proceed with their plan to teleport the entire planet somewhere else with no further questions or pushback from anyone is also a bit silly, but whatever.

Idk if I'd call it "family-oriented". I mean family is a theme, yes, but I wouldn't call it a family movie if that's what you mean because a family movie essentially just means a kids movie that an adult can watch, and I think kids wouldn't be that excited watching this. Like I said the Incredibles, in addition to just having far more action and generally being more clever, also included two kids with powers for this very reason.

And yeah, I'd prefer it if they just never returned to Earth and the entire movie was a space adventure honestly, because that's easily the highlight of the movie.

>>213319716
So don't lol what do I care, I'm just sharing my thoughts on why I like it.

I get being paranoid in this day and age but get a grip.

>>213319834

>But the only blowback they get is a kid being rude to the rockman on the street, and like 200 protesters outside their house. How is the entire world not breaking down their doors at this point? It's been months. It makes the entire world they're fighting to save feel like a background set filled with NPCs, which makes the stakes of it being destroyed feel inconsequential.

I felt like this was because the people in the film are supposed to be representative of an optimistic age and not a pessimistic one like we live in.

Remember at one point in time, citizens had trust that their government had their own best interests in mind or that it could and would keep them safe from threats.

The films world made me believe the people of that earth were likely just better human beings overall than the ones in ours and wouldn't react the way we would in crisis. It felt like the world was still capable of a hopeful optimism or trust in its heroes.

Again, like you said before, this is the logic we accept in comic books *especially* dated ones from the past. That's why I accepted it and felt it was appropriate for the movies tone.

However, I don't think any of your criticisms are baseless, I just didn't have the same problems with the movie and we can agree to disagree.

I agree the cosmic scenes were particularly interesting but I really wanted more of a colorful color palette for the final showdown and would have been disappointed if it all stayed in space.

My favorite parts of Superman were the fortress of solitude scenes and the Kaiju fight in Metropolis, I was actually enjoying it at that point. When the pocket dimension got introduced and the military base scenes happened, I was checking out.

All a matter of a personal taste, I suppose though.

>>213320120
I mean sure but it's not about optimism or pessimism at that point, the world is going to be destroyed. At the very least you'd expect the world governments to do something. That everybody just allows the F4 to deliberate for months makes the world feel artificial. Personally I think it would've made more sense if they had to hide themselves, or even make it so that Reed doesn't tell the people the truth at first, to explain why they still trust the F4 and go with the whole teleport the Earth plan, then maybe it's revealed later for some drama but Reed convincing them to keep going with the plan they have rather than stake their baby because at least then it makes sense he's selling them some sort of alternative.

>>213320276
Personally I would have found the populace turning on the Fantastic Four and the world leaders turning it into a giant political upheaval a bit exhausting and not keeping with the tone of the movie or its world.

I liked that they simply trusted them. Sort of like how commissioner Gordon would just "trust" Batman rondo the right thing for Gotham. They showed in the beginning of the movie that the fantastic 4 had saved the world from many threats before and so they should be given the benefit of the doubt, which feels realistic in an optimistic age whereas in Superman, even after he basically stopped a war or whatever before the movie started, his motives were still being questioned by the populace which felt much more like a contemporary pessimistic view of world affairs and trust in its institutions or "heroes" in this instance.

I liked how Reed just tells them honestly and doesn't engage in PR which seems consistent with his socially-maladapted scientific genius character. Kind of like why Superman was frustrated with Lois's line of questioning at the beginning of that film.

Can't there just be good and evil, right and wrong, superheroism and villainy?

In the F4 world I feel there is such "simplistic" morality and again, that felt refreshing to me given the day and age we live in which felt much more true to the age or perhaps spirit the Fantastic 4 comics would have been written in, even if it was naive and not necessarily representative of reality. These were again comics written for a young audience whose worldview is not overly complex or morally-ambiguous and that feels true to Fantastic 4 for me.

>>213317835
>This was the freshest a Marvel movie has looked
No only the parts in space looked good, we didn't even really see the whole retro 60s stuff because the whole fucking movie was them sitting around their apartment talking.

>>213320559
I mean the problem is they set up this plotline where everyone would turn on them, and does, only for it to go nowhere and not be well-developed. If they wanted the world to just go with them and have it just be about unity, they shouldn't have set up the plot like that at all. As it is, it sets up for something that's not well fleshed out.

>>213318103
>It's roughly in line with Thunderbolts. Idk if you consider thunderbolts a flop or success
At least Thunderbolts was well received by those who watched it both critics and fans, all I hear about for the F4 is how boring it was

>>213317835
>This was the freshest a Marvel movie has looked or felt
I know shill posts when I see them.

>>213320630
But the moment where we see they are able to unify to tackle the large threat is when they agree to not use the power in order to save their planet (again this could be easily turned into some environmentalism metaphor in modern movies) but they choose to listen to the fantastic 4 and we are just supposed to believe that the earth of **this*** movie would be self-sacrificial and wouldn't take advantage of the power outage to go and loot stores or something that would happen on **our** earth, again I would argue that is tonal consistency with the world the film presents but since that is so foreign to our own world, it seems illogical.

>>213320805
Care to disagree with an actual argument or opinion? List the marvel movies that are similar to this one in tone and style.

>$289m worldwide gross
>$850 break even point
>leaving theaters in a couple of weeks
what went wrong?

>>213320661
This an indictment of ADHD, not the movie
Audiences have been trained to need constant stimulation and huge spectacle, ironically, by Marvel properties themselves.

>>213318437
Honest opinions? It sucked in my opinion. Too simple of a story, one dimensional characters, no chemistry between characters aka johnny and the thing have no chemistry at all, dialogue sucked, plot convenience aka the whole planet basically listens to the fantastic four and the fantastic four basically can create any type of technology like teleportation, faster than light travel, etc. The fact that I can explain everything that happens in the movie in less than 30 seconds to someone shows how simple of a movie this really was. Not to mention this movie just skips everything in the beginning of the fantastic four and just assumes you already know the story behind them.

>>213317722 (OP)
F4 is all about family and working to gether.
The feminist, white men bashing undertones this movie has are already pretty biggoted but they clash extra hard in a movie like this.
I am glad that it is suffering as a result.

>>213318437
>>213320919
Another plot convenience moment, johnny just magically deciphering an entire space language out of just one sentence in less than a few days. Franklin being a fucking god because why the fuck not. Nothing happening with the silver surfer literally the main draw only appears briefly and nothing of backstory except for one scene lasting less than a minute. Wtf

>>213318437
>you don't understand. we can't just film in a city. we have to use greenscreen because reasons.

>>213317722 (OP)
Made less than Cap4 and Quantumania. It's a DISASTER.

You come at the king you best not miss

>>213320885
The First FF movie might end up making more money internationally with $178,839,854 than the new dogshit.
That should be enough to fire Kevin Fagy

>>213321069
But Avatar 3 isn't releasing until December anon

>>213317835
Guardians 1 was fuckinwkj2v
g trash. Shit taste faggot

>>213320919
>>213321023
They might as well have a narrator say.

> The fantastic four can solve anything because they just can.

>>213320919
>>213321163
>>213321023
Also galactus sucks as a villain.

>>213321137
Contrarianism doesn't make you cool

Other than the shit dance at the end, Guardians 1 was one of the best movies to come out of the Marvel factory

>>213321196
Guardians 2 is one of the biggest pieces of shit I have ever seen.

>>213317835
>This was the freshest a Marvel movie has looked or felt while watching probably since Guardians 1 and of course we won't get anymore of it because general audiences CRAVE turds reheated in the microwave.
You dumb assholes say this about everything. people literally said this about thunderbolts. First Steps has a good opening 10-20 minutes but once the plot actually starts it becomes unfiltered generic retardation. If even general audiences are sick of this shit, it's probably time to pack it up.

>>213321325
Agreed but we are talking about Guardians 1 here.

>>213318437
>>Action that was well thought-out and choreographed
No, it really wasn't.
>>Dramatic stakes that felt real for the film (Galactus is coming to destroy our planet)
Only that one part. The rest was ridiculous. Galactus wants to die and be freed of his "duty", but for reasons unexplained by the movie he seemingly can't just kill himself or let anyone kill him, he just NEEDS Sue's baby to take his place and only then can he die.

>>213321333
I wasn't here for Thunderbolts. Never saw it, probably never will.

>>213320915
>to need constant stimulation
Movies are entertainment you pretentious twat they need to be interesting, there was nothing interesting about their conversations

>>213321479
>but for reasons unexplained by the movie he seemingly can't just kill himself or let anyone kill him,
god forbid movies leave some mystery, it told you he used to be just some mortal and he's new state was his curse and duty that's enough for a general idea and for you to use your imagination. Not defending the movie btw you complaint was just retarded

>>213318103
>Depends on the person I guess
No, it depends on the financial success of the movie. You don't get to claim something that lost hundreds of millions was a success based on your feelings.

>>213321524
Ok ADHD brain

>>213321069
#Supershit is doing worse than Thor films . Its a flop and won't be on the top 10 films of 2025 box office wise.

>>213317835
Too late. A movie like this should have come out right after Endgame. Christmas 2019 to maintain momentum.

>>213320919
>>213321023
I suspend disbelief in a world populated by super beings. Logic sort of flies out of the window when they get turned into super beings by going to space.

>>213321023
They showed him working for a while all throughout the film trying to interpret the language and he only deciphered a small amount of it necessary to communicate what he wanted to communicate, it wasn't "I bypassed the compressor!" tier, no matter how much you want to paint it that way

>>213321833
Probably true and it's better for cinema as a whole that Marvel dies the death it fully deserves BUT Fantastic 4 was a good comic book movie. Both things can be true.

>>213317722 (OP)
looked fun in trailers, by i dont watch anything with that creep pedro guy
legit makes me ill looking at him

>>213317835
Enough with these fucking superhero movies

Everything after the space expedition is shit. So it's a 5/10, mid movie with anticlimactic end

>>213318437
>The film is mostly about the importance of family and teamwork,
>Sue defets galactus, the rest watch
ok

>this is the hidden gem i was talking about

>>213323665
They all worked together to take him down. You're just arguing in bad faith.