FANTASTIC FLOP DROPS 80% FROM LAST WEEK

I lost all interest when I saw the cast. Every single one of them is wrong. Somehow the 2014 FF movie has a better cast

>>213318523 (OP)
for me, it's the fact that can't watch bogggged women. It shatters my immersion

We are done with marvel bro we are dx chads now

>>213318523 (OP)
I don't usually console war this shit but it's pretty obvious the reviews were going very easy on it, you can see stuff by overseas people that aren't in the same media bubble that can see it was full blown terrible. I don't know if it was Americans just getting anxious waiting to praise a Marvel movie that wasn't clearly awful like Thunderbolts or Captain America.

It's now tracking well below Superman...

>>213318523 (OP)
No way that's 80%

>>213318565
no it didn't

>devastating

>>213318523 (OP)

BEHOLD THE MARVEL DEATROYER

Good

Capeshit is finally dying

>>213318697
While FF is a flop I thibk the comparison with Gunnman is disingenuous. FF is a property that has never done well at the box office, it’s always been considered C-list. The last FF movie made no money, so that’s the bar. Superman is a bona fide A lister. The original movie was enourmous, and Man of Steel was a modest success. Gunnman is doing worse than the last Superman movie; First Steps is doing better than the last FF movie. Moreover, Gunnman is supposed to be the inaugural movie of a new cinematic universe. First Steps is like the 40th MCU movie, shit it’s the THIRD MCU movie just this year.

Bigger capeshit second weekend drop is Ang Lee’s Hulk at 69% followed up by BvS at 68%

These are really bad numbers... Will it even break $500 million?

At this point who do you not consider Pedro a box office cancer. What movies has he led to success?

>>213318849
I wouldn't even consider superman an A-lister. It never does well outside of the US. True A-list capeship is like batman/spiderman/xmen&wolverine.

>>213318849
Idiot. Batman Begins did worse than Batman & Robin. Why? Because that movie ruined the brand. Behind rebuilt it. What this movie doing. Now highest domestic grossing Superman movie ever. It’s going to end with a domestic close to The Batman. All capeshit is under performing overseas this year and China is out of the cspeshit game

>>213318523 (OP)
Jesus, that's worse than The Flash. Also good, seems that capeshit will finally die, see >>213317156

>>213318849
>FF is a property that has never done well
tbf this is also kind of disingenuous. This is an MCU Fantastic 4 that is being billed as the direct lead up to Avengers Doomsday, not just some random Fox or Sony F4 movie trying to cash in on capeshit hype. Also it's not as if Superman has been a huge box office juggernaut for 45+ years now.

>>213318987
Fantastic Four continuously fails to meet early estimates so we could see those numbers

>>213318697
>>213318754
>>213318789
Not so fast >>213317156

>>213318523 (OP)
why do they keep trying with this fag group?
no one cares about them

>>213318629
/tv/ was always a DC board, the biggest things to happen in /tv/ history were Baneposting, the release of Batman v Superman, and all their consequences.

>>213319047
Of course he’s an a-lister. Everyone knows this character. His merchandise sales are huge. His comics have sold by far the highest number. There’s millions of supermen trick or treating every year. His movies have always been successful, the first one being one of the biggest movies of all time.

>>213319138
>His movies have always been successful, the first one being one of the biggest movies of all time.
that was the only one that was successful

>>213318849
>Superman movie; First Steps is doing better than the last FF movie.
well yeah, the last F4 movie bombed catastrophically in every way possible. that's like saying Superman Returns can be looked positively upon because it did better than Superman IV. When the bar is that low, surpassing it means nothing. The Batman also did worse than TDKR, but nobody is calling that a flop because it "did worse than the last one".

>>213319093
Bad comparisons abound. Batman and Robin was the termination of a duology; Batman Begins started a new trilogy. Man of Steel started a new shared universe, so your implication that somehow MoS “ruined” the Superman brand is a convenient excuse for Gunnman’s wire full box office.

>FF and SM25 both underperforming
Is it finally almost over?

>>213319138
>his comics have sold the highest number
that's only because he's the oldest. Spider-Man is easily the highest selling comic when you adjust for that.
>his movies have always been succesful
Legitimately the only two of his movies that were hits were the original in 1978, and the sequel, which even then didn't do as well as the original. And half of that was because it was a novelty to see the flying effects at the time. Superman 3 and 4 bombed horribly, IV flopped, and Man of Steel just did modestly well.

>>213319214
Woeful box office*
It’s really a heads-I-win-tails-you-lose argument isn’t it? If Gunnman did better you can say it “saved the brand” if Gunnman did worse thou say MoS “ruined the brand” (which is silly since many DCU movies followed MoS wake.)

>>213319250
I meant to say Returns flopped*

>>213319214
>Man of Steel started a new shared universe
It rode on a lot of goodwill from the Nolan movies, and Nolan was producer

>>213319269
NTA but it was less Man of Steel and more, every DC movie of the past 5 years. They'd had nothing but pure shit.

Joker 2, Flash, Aquaman 2, Wonder Woman 1984, Shazam 2.

Anyone saying MoS, a 14+ year old movie that did it is dumb, but the DC brand was undeniably tarnished and seen as temu MCU.

>>213318523 (OP)
Okay, so is it fair to say that every single fantastic forum movie has been a flop?

>>213319121
No this isn’t the direct lead into anything. It’s the last MCU movie for a full calendar year, and the “beginning” of a new phase. Brand New Day is going to lead into Doomsday with the whole Peter/Tony Stark shit, and it’ll probably make 2 billion

apologize

>>213319334
Yes I agree, the DC brand has been dragged through the mud, and people blaming one of the only actual successful DC movies in recent history is stupidity

>>213318523 (OP)
People don't like the Fantastic Four. They've gone several years not even being able to sustain a monthly book.

>>213318523 (OP)
Capeshit is dead. Bury it.

>>213319269
No. If Superman crashed after opening weekend and didn’t have good word of mouth and legs, Gunn would have failed at rebuilding the brand which was the goal of this movie.

>>213319219
I doubt it. It’s gonna take several more flops in a row to finally kill capeshit.

>>213319219
Avatar 3 making 3 billion will drive the steak into the heart of capeshit

no one wants to look at bogged retards

>>213318523 (OP)
Pedo Rascal fatigue combined with Marvel fatigue. Also Fantastic Four is boring as fuck, I don't know why Marvel just can't let go of it. They haven't been popular since 60s. Pedo Rascal cannot carry Marvel, it will be another Brie Larson.

I didn't like either of these movies and I'm not interested in the DCU going forward but I'm enjoying seeing the MCU take an L.

>94% drop in China

>>213318523 (OP)

>>213318656
>I don't know if it was Americans just getting anxious waiting to praise a Marvel movie
What the fuck, is this correct?

>>213319441
yeah and MoS wasn't even -that- badly received. And I say this as someone who thought that movie was terrible, but profits wise it was a modest success and reception wise is at worst described as "mixed". People act like it was Batman and Robin or Superman IV tier.

>>213318523 (OP)
WHOSE LEGS WILL BE CUT?

>>213318523 (OP)
Bigger drop than The Marvels which had 78% drop.

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/biggest_second_weekend_gross_drop/

>>213319516
>steak

At least they haven't finished writing Doomsday, maybe they can fix it in time (still not watching it)

>>213319461
Little early to say any of that when the movie probably hasn’t even turned a profit at the moment. If the movie was actually a success you would see triumphant headlines and announcements of new projects

>>213320008
that's the second weekend drop Anon, this is the second Friday drop. It's currently projected to do -66% on its second weekend (slightly better than Cap 4 at -68%), though that keeps falling with each update.

>>213320042
>triumphant headlines
i've seen those
>new projects
Gunn just announced he's writing a sequel

>>213064077
>>213064255

>>213320024
>drop Kang Dynasty because Quantumania flopped and the actor beat his gf
>replace it with Doomsday and make Fantastic Four the new lead in to the big event film
>Fantastic Four flops even worse
AAAAAAAHHHHH SAVE ME HUNDREDS OF OLD ACTOR CAMEOS

>>213318523 (OP)

>>213318697
>>213318754
>>213318789
>>213319421
>>213319892
>>213319979
Superman is just another Marvel movie.

>>213318523 (OP)

>>213320292
not really thoughbeit. marvel movies all feel made by committee. Superman, for better or worse, was clearly made with Gunn's singular vision. Just compare the amount of writers each movie has, Superman just has Gunn who is also directing while the F4 has like 4 screenplay credits and some no name TV director who has never done a movie that they could just slot in and micromanage.

>>213319378
Wait your telling me the ending didn't even lead into what happened in thunderbolts?

why did Deadpool 3 make 1.3 billies if people have capeshit fatigue?

>>213319378
Spider-Man leads into Secret Wars
Fantastic Four leads into Doomsday

>>213320387
>made with Gunn's singular vision
nta but Gunn's vision it's just the MCU with his lame jokes. Also he's doing the exact same movie for the fifth time, the first four being GotG 1,2 and 3 and The Suicide Squad. You can even count Creature Commandos, it's the same story/formula.

>>213320448
>Wait your telling me the ending didn't even lead into what happened in thunderbolts?
It *probably* did, but we don't really know how it shakes out yet.

>>213320467
Capeshit fans aren't kids anymore and people enjoy le edgy hard R comedies again.

>>213320467
Wolverine nostalgia and the plot of that movie was horrendous.

>>213320467
>Why did a genre parody do well when the genre being parodied is losing popularity?

>>213320467
atrocious flick with memberberries

>>213320481
I encourage you to look up the release dates of these movies

>>213318523 (OP)
I won't pay actual real money to watch hags and spics on screen.

>>213320467
Deadpool is the Scary Movie of capeshit movies.

>go watch F4's performance at the box office
>it's truly -80%
>it's truly worst than Tbolts
>it's even worse than Eternals
>still infinite topics about Gunn and Superman
>please go watch F4 because it's like you're seeing a nude female Silver Surfer
>suddenly a Spiderman popped out to add distraction

HOW BAD IS IT

maybe Disney needs to finally make scripts first before they start preproduction

you know, you pay very good writers to make very good scripts, THEN hire a good looking cast, THEN make the movie

but it seems like this is not the case and out of order nowadays with the shitty casts and piss of a story they try to pass with

>>213320713
>>suddenly a Spiderman popped out to add distraction

>>213318523 (OP)
No one has ever like the Fantastic 4. It was always going to flop.

>>213320487
of course Gunn's vision is similar to the MCU, he directed 3 of their movies and a lot of them went with his style. that's not the issue. The issue with MCU movies is they all feel formulaic because they very much are made by a boardroom trying to maximize every quadrant. Say whatever you want about Superman but it's driven by one guy telling the story he wants to tell. You'd probably never get Terrific, or Guy Gardner, or the frenetic jump between Kaiju fight to pocket dimension escape in an MCU movie because it'd be deemed as too silly. MCU is not just "having jokes".

>same story for the 5th time
I don't even get this. Gunn has similar stories but Superman is not similar to The Suicide Squad or Creature Commandos in story.

>>213318523 (OP)
>Captain Niggermica: Brave New Slop
>Thunderbombs
>Frontloaded Flop: Last Steps
>Zestyman: Brand New BBC
>Doomsday
>Disney HQ: Secret Wars
It's so fucking over for Marvelkeks. Not even normalfags care about your shit movies anymore. DCCHADS WON. AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>213320487
The MCU became the Gunn verse after Guardians 1 set the tone from then to Endgame.

>Weekend projections have been slashed dramatically. What was once expected to be a $45–$52M sophomore frame now looks likely to land somewhere in the mid-$30M range. That would put Fantastic Four’s ten-day domestic total at around $170 million—far short of the $200M+ Marvel reportedly spent on production alone.
ouch

>>213320467
Nostalgiabait for soifacing millennials

Anon, you're just finishing up your morning wank when Kevin Feige erratically knocks at your door and demands for you to fix the mcu.
What are you going to do?

>>213318754
>>213318697
>>213318789
But superman also flopped

>>213318523 (OP)
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I FUCKING CALLED IT
IT'S PEDROVER

>>213318689
Yes it did

>>213318523 (OP)

>>213319219
Superman is overperforming anon

Superman is flopping to. Its going to limp to 550 million and tap out there while getting raped by Naked Gun and Weapons. In a way Fantastic Four did its job which was to slow down #Supershit and give it a box office that Zaslav and investors can scold Gunn about for 3 years and fire him. Plus Supergirl and Clayface will bomb harder so i look forward to that.

>>213319219
>Is it finally almost over?
Not until Doomsday and Secret Wars struggle to hit 500 (they will).

>>213320008
KEK

>>213320008
>Bigger drop than The Marvels which had 78% drop.

Jesus Christ.

>>213318523 (OP)
Superman did better hahahaha

>>213321363
Superman is at $527M right now after just a couple of weeks and it clearly has legs. Try not to kill yourself anon, things will get better

>>213321107
>Moon Knight film
>recast Moon Knight as someone random like Glen Powell
>complete rip off of Raimi's Spider-Man
>Black Panther film
>recast as Michael B Jordan brought from another dimension
>complete rip off of TDK but set in Africa
>new Captain America film
>doesn't matter who it stars
>complete rip-off of Akira crossed with The Winter Soldier (again)

>It's real
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
*wheeze*
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>213321505
>Grossed $11M on its second Friday
Marvel sisters...

>>213320713
>suddenly a Spiderman popped out to add distraction
4chan constantly provides insight. This line right here convinced me that the Snyder bots, a Spider-Man costume dropping, are all just distractions sent out by Disney to distract from any bad publicity.
A Disney product is doing bad/release a Snyder thread shitting on Warner Bros.
A Disney product is doing bad/release a picture from something that is liked by people, such as Spider-Man.
Whenever you see these threads, always think of this pattern.

>>213318523 (OP)
Funniest thing about Fantastic Four flopping is Marvel fans insistence of trying to use Superman to carry their films this year, despite being Marvel's third flop

CHILEAN REED RICHARDS
WHAT COULD GO WRONG

>>213321367
No it’s literally impossible for those to make less than 1b, but I can see them limping over 1b just like Star Wars 9 did, which is a catastrophe for those brands

>>213318789
Superman didn't destroy shit, the opening weekend did good so that's not the problem. It has no legs because it was a snoozefest and the word of mouth agrees

>>213321627
Superman coming out 2 weeks before this movie and having such positive domestic WOM and staying power certainly hurt F4. Most people don't want to see back to back capeshit, and they already saw Superman so they're not going to go out and see F4 after it. The OW was due to MCU fan rush.

Granted, this is all Marvel's fault since they scheduled F4 after Superman picked its date in an attempt to undermine it which backfired.

>>213318849
>Gunnman is doing worst than the last Superman movie
Wrong. Nominally, Supes 2025 is doing better than any Snyder movie featuring Superman against its budget.

>>213321439
> Superman is at $527M right now after just a couple of weeks and it clearly has legs
Like i said Gunnshill. Its not at 550 yet. Weapons and Freaky Friday 2 come out next weekend which means even less money. Superman is flopping and won't do better than Man of Steel but enjoy your flop that will do worse than Thor films.

>>213318789
>DEATROYER
Good morning saar.
(How the fuck am I the first one to make fun of this mothafucka?)

I do think this was bad time to release FF. There isn’t another Marvel movie for a full year, and there were already two Marvel movies this year. Seems like a no-brainer to have put this one out in November/December.

>>213321691
Did you fail math? They have the same budget adjusted for inflation (Superman 2025 has a 363 budget) and Superman 2025 has still made less. It fails by every single metric, unless it sold more popcorn or something.

>>213321675
Yeah Disney fucked themselves over. They generally thought that the Fantastic Four would be a big enough house-hold name to beat Superman and Jurassic Park.
As if Fox didn't already learn their lesson and stopped making Fantastic Four films for years until they were mandated to to renew the IP. They went all in on Xmen for a reason.
The Fanny Bore don't sell.

>>213318697
>>213318754
>>213318789
>haha, my flick flopped less hard
Capeshit is finally over

>>213321622
Nope, these movies are starred by all the hated characters. Short cameos won't save them, not by 2026 and especially not after Deadpool vs Wolverine.

>>213321725
they're competing against slapping the same amount of money they spent on the movie in an index fund. Any delay means the return on investment is worse.

>>213321697
It will be at 550 before next Friday
>Weapons and Freaky Friday 2 come out next weekend
And they'll break its legs just like FF right? lmao
Pathetic shill

>>213320467
Wolverine. If hollyjew producers would understand how popular Wolverine is, he'd cameo in every single MCU movie.

>>213321675
>and staying power certainly hurt F4.
If it was hurting F4 so much it would have shown at the opening weekend F4's problem is severe lack of legs, it's not a hard concept to understand

>>213321745
>Superman 2025 has a 363 budget
you have to be coping to believe Superman 2025, where the highest paid actor got 3 million, cost more than Endgame or the Justice League movie that was plagued by reshoots and the CGI mustache. Literally every trade reports 225 million.

>>213320467
Deadpool is basically the only scripted comedy a zoomer is likely to see anymore. It's competing against guys on tiktok making fart noises

>>213321797
the opening weekend was due to MCU fan rush, the legs are due to general audience appeal. the general audience is not going to see two back to back superhero movies when they already saw Superman.

>>213321810

>>213321725
Theres no other time to release it. Disney cleared out everything for Avatar 3 in December so delaying it is a non-starter, and they already had thunderbolts in May so they can't push it up

Superman's a much better film than Fantastic Four.
I'm not surprised F4 dropped like a fly after it's opening week, especially when word of mouth around Superman has been so positive among general audiences and the world of mouth around Fantastic Four can be summed up as
>It's just another Marvel film. You can just wait to watch it on Disney+

>>213321774
> It will be at 550 before next Friday
Keep telling yourself that Gunnshill and yes Superman's legs will be broken.

>>213321745
Did you? $363 million > $225 million, you fucking retard.

>Ant man 3 (flop)
>GOTG 3 (did ok)
>The Marvels (flop)
>Deadpool 3 (success but not as massive as before)
>Captain America (flop)
>Thunderbolts (flop)
>F4 (likely flop, at best it will do ok)
We are in the correct timeline, fuck capeshit forever.

>>213319136
It's all about the movie rights. Companies are compelled to buy the rights because executives deemed it valuable.

>>213321361
>>213318697
>>213318789
>>213319421
>>213319892
>>213319979
Superman is struggling to hit $600 million worldwide (something 28 movies have done since 2020). They are both dissapointments lol.

>>213321859
Cool, now do the same for MoS, which had reshoots upon reshoots and bigger name, more expensive actors.

>>213321926
I accept your concession. Btw MoS made 930 adjusted for inflation

>>213321859
>here's a random tax doc that's totally real I swear
disregarding that there's no proof this is legitimate at all, this would be the provisional budget submitted before shooting to represent the potential maximum they might spend, which mind you they have every incentive to inflate as much as possible to qualify for the highest possible gibs bracket.

do you have anything better to prove that Superman is somehow one of the most expensive movies to make of all time?

>>213321859
>Date
>11/27/2023
this is before filming you retard. That's the ceiling for the movie.

>>213321952
Which, nominally, turned a smaller profit than Superman 2025 which isn't even a month into its theatrical run. I accept your concession.

>>213322064
>>213322023
This is a new level of cope. You could just google “Superman budget 363” if you were curious, but you’re not an happily accept fake numbers from corpos trying to dupe their shareholders

>>213322069
What do I even say to such stupidity? MoS made more money if you adjust for inflation, it made more money if you don’t adjust for inflation.

>>213318523 (OP)
please for fuck sake take the hint that marvel is fucking done

>>213322085
>cope
Nigga, you can literally just read the document. The date it's allegedly filed is before the filming of the movie started. It's a provisional budget.
>google Superman budget 363
The exact same thing that comes up is my explanation lmfao.
>dupe their shareholders
You honestly think you have more info from a Google search than a WB shareholder would have?

>>213322085
You don't know a thing about film making or how budgets work. What's your end goal here, exactly? You're allowed to not like Gunnman. You don't have to lie and misinterpret documents to make points against it. It is, objectively, financially more successful than Snyderman. Why does that upset you so much?

>>213322157
>the budget isn’t the budget because they haven’t started filming yet
What are you even trying to say? The house I’m buying doesn’t cost X amount until I pay X amount for it? Btw this isn’t even bringing up the massive marketing budget. Anyway google “Hollywood accounting” you have no idea how much you’re lied to. The ONLY thing you can trust are the documents which you have explained away because it’s inconvenient

>>213321924
It's also never going to beat MoS
Snyder won lol

>>213322121
You should say nothing at all, because you are literally incorrect. Whether nominally (the actual standard for financial comparison of films) or adjusting for inflation MoS made less than Superman 2025 against its budget. Remember retard, you have to inflate the budget if you want to inflate the box office.

>>213319093
China has turned hard against any non-Chinese movies hasn't it? Like the only movies that do well are movies about the good heroic Chinese and China being superior to the evil depraved white west

>>213322164
Wrong again. MoS had 160m worth of product placement, it actually didn’t cost that much for this reason. Again you can fudge the numbers anyway you want, MoS is always more successful than Superman. Sorry this hurts your feelings

>>213322205
Provisional budgets are not budgets. What the movie was allotted =/= what it actually cost to make. Where exactly are you having the disconnect?

>>213322205
>What are you even trying to say?
You know movie budgets change with time, right? Reshoots, script rewrites, things that are cut, weather conditions, etc. It's not like buying a product with a preset price. That's why they submit the provisional budget representing a potential maximum amount it could cost ( which again they like to inflate for gibs ) when doing these tax rebates. Holy fuck why are you even discussing this when you're so clueless about the process?
>isn't even bringing up marketing
Standard movie blockbuster math is 2.5x times the production budget to assume that marketing will be paid for by ancillary revenue, merch, tie-in deals, streaming etc.
>Hollywood account, you have no idea how much you're lied to
...You think they're being 100% honest in a provisional budget submitted for the express purpose of trying to get tax incentives?

>>213318523 (OP)
That's just Friday bitch the weekend just starting

>>213322240
You can just say you want Snyder to shove his cock down your throat and save us all a lot of time. Every movie has product placement and promotions. You are now having to move goalposts to deflect from Gunnman outperforming MoS. Do you not have anything better to do? What are you getting out of this?

>>213319138
>Of course he’s an a-lister. Everyone knows this character. His merchandise sales are huge. His comics have sold by far the highest number. There’s millions of supermen trick or treating every year. His movies have always been successful, the first one being one of the biggest movies of all time.

If he's really so popular, how come he's never been in a Marvel movie. How do you explain that? Checkmate loser.

>>213321551
Are you the same schizo botfag that is in every sam hyde thread? I don’t think this board is important enough to be botted that aggressively. It definitely happens, but you seem to go around assuming everyone who disagrees with you is a bot.

>>213322316
>>213322268
>>213322247
Superman 2025 is a flop and you are mad about it

>>213322414
I accept your concession.

>>213322206
Snyder couldn't even get a Batman vs Superman movie past a billion. He's just the modern Joel Schumacher, destroyed the character and now someone else is having to do the hard work of fixing it

>>213321439
>and it clearly has legs.
No it doesn't. Its legs are average. It's still tracking to end less than MoS.

>>213322414
>w-why can't I make a good argument against the success of James Gunn Superman??!?!?!? AAAAAAAAAHHHHH I'M GOING INSANE

>363 Mil production
>200 Mil marketing
>Makes less than MoS adjusted for inflation
>Makes less than MoS unadjusted for inflation
>I-It will be a success with 700mil!
>Splits the company
>cancels movies
>I-IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE M-MONEY!

>>213319881
Over 90 if true. Dead in 2 weeks lol

>>213322234
China and South Korea have a strict limit on the amount of slots U.S. films are allowed in cinemas, and they pre-book "guaranteed" hits as a result. So there is no opportunity for a film to "break out" there. They only bet on the safest slop. However two things happened.
A. The Chinese box office became huge, allowing for hollywood tier budgets for domestic pictures
B. Hollywood quality standards plummeted. Both on a technical level and a creative level. So they don't have any advantage over Han-Slop. A Chinese film looks as good as an American film, the writing and acting will be as good, but it will feature very specifically Chinese audience pleasing subjects and aesthetics. Pic related, their most popular film thus far this year. It grossed 2.2 billion dollars at the Chinese box office this year. By comparison, the highest grossing film at the U.S. box office this year was Minecraft with 450mil.

>>213322426
Theatrical cut was a botch job but even then almost 900m is great considering how Disney stole the script and applied it to Civil War which it also released some weeks earlier. It was being sabotaged from all directions and still did well.

>>213322545
>sabotaged
*Poorly made and poorly received.

>>213322537
As another comparison, their second most popular film this year was pic related. It made AS MUCH as Minecraft. It's a weird feeling realising how decripit Western industry has become in the last decade.

>>213321107
The one thing they will never do.
Make them take a break for at least 2 years.

>>213318523 (OP)
good

abhorrent cast

>>213322516
Gunnjeets be like
>it doesn’t have to make 700
>it doesn’t have to be more successful than MoS
>it doesn’t have to turn a profit
We are here
>it doesn’t have to have a launch a successful shared universe

>>213321107
reboot the entire thing as animated movies

>>213321926
>MoS had reshoots! Fake budget!
>uhm akshually Superman 2025 budget is just provisional, just Warner hebes goy
Which one is it

>>213321878
>Keep telling yourself that Gunnshill
I will and the news media will tell you also
>and yes Superman's legs will be broken
Two more weeks!

Albachads stay winnin

>>213321107
Tell him I know he's on the list.

>>213322206
Man of Steel never got past Superman (1978)
Donner won

>>213321924
Struggling? It's been out for a couple of weeks. Man of Shit was out for months

ANY capeslop that makes less than a billion dollars is a flop. Why even argue about which flopped harder. If your film costs over 200 mil, is a slopfest made for the sole purpose of taking money from fucking retards and it doesn't break a billion, you failed at your job.

>>213322157
Disney shills BTFO
>>213322516
>363 Mil production
>200 Mil marketing
Source?

>>213322834
>>363 Mil production

>>213322803
>people were willing to continue seeing Man of Steel for months, therefore it is worse than a movie that dries up before 1 month is out
Nice self-own

>>213318523 (OP)
>80% drop
ROFL
SAVE ME PEDRO
SAVE ME BOG QUEEN
SAVE ME SURFER WITH TITS

>>213322866
>the same provisional budget image
this is getting sad

>>213322878
It's actually sad seeing DC think this new Superman is such a big win with this a barely profitable (if any) box office after Marvel winning for 15 years straight. You guys were better with Snyder after all.

>>213321898
>GOTG 3 (did ok)
>F4 (likely flop, at best it will do ok)
You yourself that Guardians Of The Galaxy part 3 did ok, meaning almost 800 million. Fantastic Four 2024 is getting nowhere NEAR 800 million.
OK, by your very words, would be a success. Superman isn't even getting 800, how the fuck is Pedro?

>>213322537
>By comparison, the highest grossing film at the U.S. box office this year was Minecraft with 450mil.
Retarded comparison China has a much bigger populace

>>213322872
It hasn't dried up though. This isn't your fantasy world

>>213322933
Barely profitable is much better than taking a bath like Marvel is doing right now
Enjoy that diversity, I hope it's worth your entire business

>>213322924
https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2025/6/5/thr-source-363m-superman-budget-james-gunn-debunked-is-actually-closer-to-reality

Lol it’s the actual cost, keep coping

>>213322609
Other governments should juice moviegoing like the Chinese do. They have these big national celebrations of movies where they slash the price of movie tickets by a quarter or more for 2 weeks

>>213322282
>That's just Friday bitch the weekend just starting
Seriously?
Go back to 2K, nigga

KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEK

>>213322349
>the same schizo botfag that is in every sam hyde
Never heard of sam hyde. Wrong nigga.

>>213323010
James Gunn has been known to lie repeatedly. Like for instance saying Affleck would love to direct a DC movie with him. So it doesn't surprise me that he's also lying about the budget numbers. The 360m number came from several sources, not just one. It's extremely accurate. The studio fucked up applying for subsidies not realizing such applications are public.

>>213323002
(you)

>>213323071
Disney already buys tickets in mass, no need.

>>213322738
It's both, retard. Jesus, you Snyderjews need to go Jonestown yourselves.

>>213323138
>The 360m number came from several sources
It did?

>>213323010
>it's the actual cost
the very image you submitted reveals it's the provisional cost before they started filming, just look at the date.

>here's a totally anonymous financier from a rumor mill site saying it's legit
again, desperate.

>>213319138
Not in terms of films retard. Batman does better at the box office by a lot

>>213323138
nta and yes, he lies a lot and has being lying even more since he became the head of this new DCU. They need to take away his social media and hire a team to manage what he says because he is a PR nightmare

>>213318523 (OP)
it amazes me how people stop talking about the script, cinematography, OST, costume design, and we talk about box office and percentages, next generation cinema discussion will be made posting excel files, holy shit, this board is the most anti-cinema shit ever

>>213322545
>Disney stole the script
Batman V Superman had the highest, or one of the highest, second weekend drop-offs of all time in 2016, and it came out over a full month before Civil War did.
Typing "Disney stole the script" is full blown retard shit.

Fantastic 4 has like no cultural relevance, the film has no legs, nobody is talking about it anywhere, nobody is buying any FF4 merchandise.

>>213322940
That still comes in lower than the Chink cartoon, if you multiply it by 4. And Chinks are poor compared to burgers.

>>213323121
They already Fucking lost Paul Tassi...

>>213318689
>>213321293
>Better Sue
>Equally bad Reed
>Better Johnny
Yup, Fant4stic clears.

>>213323220
and nobody is going to see it again even if they liked it because it's a borefest and extremely simple

>>213323165
Yes check that source posted, both from inside sources at WB and also the Ohio documents.

>>213323190
My biggest frustration is him claiming his best buddies with Reeves. Meanwhile Reeves is just dead quiet about this whole mess and waiting for Superman to flop so he can direct Batman 2 without the DCU nonsense rammed up his ass.

How's that diversity treating you now, shitbird?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>213323071
Other countries do. Only the U.S. doesn't (because it didn't used to have to). Trump actually tried and was laughed out of town.

>>213323257
That's an anonymous source commenting on the documents, not "several sources". The rumor is from one source, namely the Ohio document.

>>213318523 (OP)
>DROPS 80% FROM LAST WEEK
What? Its audience?

>>213323191
After the great purge in 2012 and the colonisation by redditors, this board became slopshit 24/7.

>Spic Reed
>Old hag Sue
>Homos 1&2 as Ben & Johnny
>Silver Surfette
>This... will save our franchise
Feige bros...

>>213318523 (OP)
BUT PEDRO IS THE ALPHA A-LIST SUPERSTAR THAT WE ALL WORSHIP JUST LIKE HOLLYWOOD COMMANDS US TO!

>>213318565
And that had a taco-American with blonde wig and blue eye contacts playing a white woman in it.

>>213319421
Lesbian Col Sanders

Fant4stic dropped 78.2%

APOLOGIZE

>>213323268
Outside my window are democrats importing the assholes and human waste other countries want to get rid of. Forced social demographics shifts aren't something that occur naturally, and they occur because the people engineering it are engaging in ethnic cleansing against the people who's country they bring in the new population into.

>>213323180
They’re both a list retard

Rotten Tomatoes is still sitting at 92% for user reviews. Are Marvel fans this desperate for a win that they are gaslighting themselves into thinking this movie was anything more than a 6/10?

>>213323290
WB also lied about the Flash budget. Imagine being so stupid as to trust their invented budget number when the actual number is staring you in the face. Good morning sir

>>213323290
Read the article posted. There is the document and an official insider at WB saying the document numbers are way closer to reality than the numbers Gunn claimed.

>>213322872
>people were willing to continue seeing Man of Steel for months
He left the part out where Man Of Steel, in 2013, had the biggest second weekend drop-off of all time before Batman Versus Superman took that crown in 2016, three years later.
People being willing to see Zack Snyder's version of Superman is the exact opposite of what happened. In fact, in both Man Of Steel and BVS, both movies made the majority of their money in the opening weekend.
This is just what I said before, Disney is sending fake Snyder bots out to distract from Fantastic Four's disastrous box office and focus the attention elsewhere. Shift the attention from Pedro onto Zack Snyder. Shift the attention from Shalla Bal onto Spider-Man.
Wake up and see the pattern people. There are no Snyder fans anymore. No one gives a fuck about Spider-Man like that. This is Disney diversion tactics 101.

>>213323407
Only fanboys saw it and they rate every turd a 10/10.

>>213323257
I have the suspicion Gunn is working very hard to sabotage Reeves and having his Batman being the only one in any media from now on. Gunn is not a team player and while he wants to play cool you can see he's also a control freak

>>213322933
>It's actually sad seeing DC think this new Superman is such a big win with this a barely profitable (if any) box office after Marvel winning for 15 years straight. You guys were better with Snyder after all.
Nice try, Disney bot. Focusing attention onto anything else but a disastrous box office three times in a row.

>>213323453
There's a reason why every director of clout has refused DC projects and now only literal whos remain.

>>213323412
>read the article
I did. It's an anonymous financier claiming it's true. It's not even a direct quote, and it's not even stated he's from WB.
>>213323411
You're the one believing that WB perfectly knew the budget of the movie before even finishing filming Anon.
>actual number
I don't get why you seem to have such difficulty grasping what a provisional budget is. If your Dad gives you 50 dollars to eat lunch, but you only spend 5 dollars for some chips, did you chips cost 50 dollars?

>>213323483
They took tax dollar money, that 360m sure as fuck isn't an estimate and better be dead on otherwise what they're doing is basically theft.

>>213318565
To update an old idea, the cast should still be believable in the original context: mid-century America. Cast believable options, then any "quirks" they have would be the "modern" factor. They went completely against it. The "Latino" of mid-century was Ricky Ricardo, Caesar Romero, Anthony Quinn types. They EMBRACE being American, not some smarmy detached observer on the sideline.

>>213323242
>And Chinks are poor compared to burgers
doesn't matter movies are one the things that still did well during the great depression

>>213321924
chine is done
the market is not gonna take anymore USA movies unless they are the most retarded shit even bug man would enjoy

>>213323369
>Josh Trank is beating Feige

Feige has done more damage to cinema than any other singular person in human history.

>>213323521
That's not how any of that works. Yes, it's an estimate. How the fuck would it be dead-on when they haven't even started filming yet? On top of that, it wouldn't even be the final budget, because it would obviously by definition be before any incentives are doled out across their filming locations.

>>213318523 (OP)
>ctrl f "superman"
>65 results
Daaaamn disneyshills are seething hard aren't they?

>>213323634
Ok since the reshoots were decided after filming was wrapped, then it means this was their baseline budget which only got further bloated.

>>213320467
Deadpool wasn’t (as) woke like other capeshit films being made now.

>>213318849
The previous FF movies were only made to keep the copyright of them

>>213323651
Now we're claiming it's their baseline budget? Based on what?
>Reshoots were decided
And how do you know what got cut, what cost less than they imaged, what they could reuse from other movies, etc? Furthermore, I don't even think there were extensive reshoots for this movie. Certainly not on the scale of Justice League, which you seem to be under the impression somehow cost less than this movie despite its stars getting 10m a pop.

>>213318523 (OP)
One day Disney will figure out no one likes the girlboss bait-and-switch

>>213323541
Depression era hits were frothy entertainment that made people forget their troubles.

>>213323703
>b-but Justice League
Nobody is defending the assfucking WB did do that movie. This movie cost 360m + 200m advertising. This is why WB even said this is their Normandy moment.

>>213320796
>four films
>three are reboots or origin stories
this franchise sucks

>>213318697
"Supersimp" will finish around $600 million...less than 2x the production cost, officially a flop.

>>213323745
>nobody is defending
I never suggested you were, but for reference that movie cost around 300-400m. You seem to be under the impression that that movie, which was filled with actors getting 10m a pop, and was completely restructured halfway through with a new director to do multiple reshoots, so much so they had to completely regenerate half of Cavill's face, was somehow less, or about as expensive, as a movie with minimal reshoots and its lead actor making 750k.

>360m dollars
Again, post an actual source for this that is dated after they wrapped filming.

>>213318754
Fucking BASED!

>>213323799
why even argue about a disney budget when they've been exposed for lying in the past

>superhero comics are garbage and that industry is literally dead
>the "good stuff" is ancient
>movies were good, turned to shit exactly like the comics because it worked so well the first time they had to do it again

Well, super hero video games are still cool I guess. That's all.

>>213323799
I have made no claims regarding the budget of JL. It was probably astronomical due to them basically making the movie three times over.

>Again, post an actual source for this
We already have a source of the budget, which likely got increased further as WB demanded reshoots from Gunn (initial cut was just GoTG with Superman)

>>213323745
>This movie cost 360m + 200m advertising
Man this is just disney viral marketers making shit up as they go to cope with their failures. The official budget is $225 milion and there's no fucking way they spent $200 million on marketing, using any other number is just mousecope and should laughed at and not engaged with

>>213323885
>The official budget is $225 milion
Not if you ask the state of Ohio and The Hollywood Reporter kek

>>213323885
>”official budget”
lol you idiots will believe anything you’re told. there’s a reason why all the headlines are copium talking about “domestic” gross and all that shit, the promotion of this movie has been a psyop from the very beginning to trick people into thinking it’s a success. the BO was even falsely reported, inflated by 60m before someone caught it and fixed the wiki article

>>213323935
>>213323971
>these levels of cope
Such is the sad life of a disney shill in 2025, having to just imagine scenarios in which rival movies flopped while in reality they didn't. SAD!

>>213318565
2005 one is the best, the sequel and reboots all suck

>>213324035
Yes and I'm sure the Flash had a budget of 200m right?

>>213323881
>We have the source
No we don't. We have a document allegedly filed before the movie even finished filming. I would sooner believe that the document is faked, then that the production crew somehow knew the exact amount the movie would cost before filming had wrapped, which is ludicrous if you have any idea how these things work.

>>213324106
Ok James. Off to sleep with you.

>>213318565

>>213324074
You were caught trying to include your pathetic cope in the 'iki hahahaha holy shit you browns are pathetic creatures

>>213324137
I accept your concession. Next time claim the movie costs a trillion dollars at least that's funny.

>>213319421
no

>>213318523 (OP)
Ngl, I think the hag is good looking and I would be happy if my future wife looked like that at 50 or however old she is in the OP.

>>213321924

>>213323268
/thead.

>>213324192
Yeah it's just the bogdabots in the blood, nothing to worry about.

>>213324145
>source is James Gunn
KEKAROOO

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/mission-impossible-jurassic-world-superman-box-office-summer-1236255949/

Last year, documents filed by the Superman production team with the Ohio government seeking incentives listed the gross budget of the highly anticipated July film as $363.8 million. When that number was reported, director James Gunn — who also runs DC Studios — lambasted the article. “How in the world do they think they know what our budget is?” he wrote on social media. In recent days, DC suggested the budget is a net $225 million after incentives and tax breaks.

Yet one longtime financier says the $363 million figure isn’t incorrect. And sources say DC and its parent could spend as much as $200 million on the global marketing campaign, compared with the usual $150 million for an all-audience summer tentpole. It wouldn’t be a surprise, since Superman kicks off the Gunn era and needs to work at the box office. Either way, between the production budget and marketing, it’s certain to land in the $400 million club.

According to a veteran studio source, Superman, which opens July 11 in North America, is exploding on social media, with the first full trailer raking in 250 million-plus views, the most in Warners/DC history. Based on such metrics, a domestic debt of $175 million or thereabouts is within the realm of possibility; it even has a shot at finishing with $1 billion-plus globally. “There’s no way to defend these budgets, because when you get into the $700 million to $900 million break-even point in regards to box office and ancillary revenue, it doesn’t make any sense,” says a veteran financier.

>>213324035
The 225 million budget is only for production. The advertisement budget adds 200 million.

>>213323257
As multiple others have pointed out, that is a provisional budget and not the actual budget. If you set aside $100 dollars to buy a bicycle and only spend $50, then the bike cost you $50, not $100.

>>213324283
So they defrauded the taxpayer?

>>213324239
>anonymous source says
This is sad, please stop embarrassing yourself mousecoper. The sequel has been announced, F4 flopped, you lost it's over

>>213324298
They aren't the government, Anon.

Gunnjeets be like
>don’t believe official documents
>do believe vested interests in a promo interview

>>213318754
>I'm a flop rocker yes I am!

>>213324298
I'm honestly asking you, are you 12 or something?

>>213323745
>b-b-but WB
Snyder made a shit movie even aside from WB's mismanagement. The Snyder cut was some of the worst dogshit slop ever put on a screen. It being better than the dogshit Whedon put out does not make it good.

>>213324334
Anonymous source here. I earn ten cents per post

>>213324334
Do you have any idea how journalism works you idiot? The Hollywood Reporter is more reliable source than Pedo Gunn damage controlling on twitter.

>>213324338
Mousesaars be like
>I don't understand what these documents actually say but I'll cope anyway because I expected F4 to beat superchad but we're getting assraped instead

>This will save our franchise
KEK

>>213324298
Where do you think the money studios have came from?

>>213318523 (OP)
>Sue Storm is a new mother pushing 40.

Their cast. Their choice.

>>213324387
Literally every other serious outlet has the $225 million and if that's for tax rebates then it includes marketing and they're getting tens of millions off the cost anyway.

Your sad cope is just that, cope. It won't help in this new DC dominated world, they might be GODS but they aren't merciful, not with dishonest jeets like you anyway

Marvel sisters... not like this...

>>213324467
Every other outlet is citing James Gunn or WB press release. We already know WB has lied about budget numbers before (the Flash is the latest example before Normalman)

This is the best source we have that doesn't come from literal PR we know has lied before.

>>213318523 (OP)
Does this mean capeslop is finally over and we can have real movies again?

IT'S PEDROVER

>>213324334
I'm not the anon you are debating but with a 225 million budget + 100 million marketing (and yes I heard that they went from 150 to 200 on this movie) that's still a shitload of money for such a movie, WB clearly wanted 1 billion on the box office.

>>213324359
Not an argument

>>213324501
>Every other outlet is citing James Gunn or WB press release
Instead of some made up financier who doesn't know how a tax rebate application works, yes. As they should

dam
Snydertrannies and mousecucks really lost hard
They were hoping for F4 and the Smurfs to do something lmao

>>213324577
>trust us goys, any day now Affleck will direct a DCU movie and there were no reshoots btw!!!

>>213324554
What's not an argument is posting a document of dubious credibility at best and claiming it says something it doesn't.

>¡No, mis fantásticos amigos! ¡No podemos permitir esto! ¡Rápido, Johnny, Ben, saca tus pollas y cierra los ojos!

>>213323420
>trying to play up "2nd weekend stops" when the movie simply performed better overall
>even before you get to "inflation adjusted"

>>213324609
>this official document is dubious
>but Gunn, a serial liar, and WB, a serial underreported of budgets are legit
Good morning

i think Gunnman surpassing MoS dogshit domestic really mindbroke snydertardos specially after AOTD and Rebel Slop failed and everyone saw how of a fucking hack Sneeder is
Dude is 3/3 for dead universes

>>213324596
Superman 2025 is on track to be a flop. Keep up with the thread, retard.

>>213320467
Plot was completely nonsensical people just wanted to see wolverine fight deadpool

>>213324647
>>213324597
>big companies won't lie in their taxes anon!!!!! also don't count the $100 million tax rebate they got from that same document, that doesn't count!!
They don't call you mousecopers for nothing holy moly

This is worse than The Marvels, in case anyone was wondering. Pedro is about to make the most hilarious form of history possible

>>213324647
>official document with no evidence of its authenticity
>Gunn is a liar because... BECAUSE HE JUST IS OKAY???
Back to bed with you.

Brie won

>>213318523 (OP)
Personally, the two main reasons why I lost interest in seeing it were:

1. The cast. I'm sick to fucking death of Pedro Pascal. And even if I wasn't, I just can't see him as Reed. The woman playing Sue looks like an old hag, the guy playing Johnny looks like some random dock worker, and Ben's voice sounded off in the trailer.

2. The Mad Men aesthetic. I really, really don't like it. I was hoping it'd be a modern setting just on another Earth, but no, they couldn't resist doing the 60's aesthetic. I realize that's purely subjective, but I immediately lost hype when I saw that promotional poster, and then the trailers.

>Superman 2025 is [Snydertranny cope]
we know

>>213324703
They didn’t get 100m on that document they got just over 10m. Wait I thought the document was dubious? Make up your mind

TURN ON CNN!! Kevin Feige was just spotted storming onto the Warner Brothers lot with an AR-15

>>213324791
>Make up your mind
There are more than one anon dunking on you buddy, you're making a fool of yourself pretty hard today

>>213324756
>zoomer fetus doesn't know how reply feature works

>>213324596
>the Smurfs
i wasn't paying attention to it but holy shit they really thought people would flock to a movie about weird little blue idiots

>>213324821
The movie is always a flop no matter how much you guys gaslight over an excel spreadsheet

LMAOOOOOOOO

>>213324861
>under 50% drop on its 4th weekend
Sure buddy so cope away with your made up financiers all you want

>>213318629
Based

>>213324859
You leave Avatar out of this.

Wonder how Lego is feeling putting all their shekels into Marvel this year and missing out on the chance to sell Superman merch

Why aren't they doing an X-Men reboot? It's the only property they have along with Spiderman that was organically popular before the MCU.

>>213324912
>this movie isn’t a flop because.. it just isn’t ok?

>>213324965
X-men will be getting a reboot. They're just waiting to shit out Doomsday and Secret Wars with all the old actors first, then reboot and hope X-men carries their post reboot MCU.

>>213324985
>$225 million budget (real one)
>already made twice as much on its 4th weekend, barely dropping and mostly domestic
Yeah it's not a flop, sorry bud you need to cope a lil harder

>>213324965
That's the next "phase" after Doomsday/Secret Wars. Secret Wars is suppose to explain how the X-Men can suddenly be in the main universe without them being in it from the start

>>213318523 (OP)

STOP THE COUNT
STOP THE COUNT
STOP THE COUNT

>>213325200
LMAO

>>213324529
Not quite, but we are very close to that day

>>213324529
"Real movies" like what?

>>213325138
KEK

It's funny that Superfags are fighting against both Snyderfags and Marvelfag, kek.

>>213319002
>At this point who do you not consider Pedro a box office cancer. What movies has he led to success?

Materialists is now looking at a 75 million gross after all the international markets finally come in against a 20 million budget. However, he was the clear third lead and 95% of the promotion was Dakota Johnson and Chris Evans. The movie succeeded perhaps because his involvement was so muted, lol.

>Sneederfans expected FF to break Superman's legs
>The truth is that Superman killed FFs legs
really makes you think

>>213322537
that looks fucking gay

>>213318523 (OP)
...bros?

>>213321107
Marvel vs Capcom.
Themes and hyper combos included.

>>213324686
>i think Gunnman surpassing MoS dogshit domestic really mindbroke snydertardos specially after AOTD and Rebel Slop failed and everyone saw how of a fucking hack Sneeder is
>Dude is 3/3 for dead universes
Sucker Punch?
Owl movie?
Snyder hasn't had a hit yet.
>>213324641
>1512910763618.png
See above. Snyder kills careers - his own and others.