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Anonymous No.213343600 >>213343623 >>213343632 >>213343902 >>213343919 >>213344010 >>213344058 >>213344068 >>213344073 >>213344211 >>213344408 >>213344446 >>213344592 >>213344832 >>213344914 >>213344970 >>213344996 >>213345390 >>213345481 >>213345581 >>213345597 >>213345604 >>213345720 >>213345753 >>213345892 >>213345893 >>213346014 >>213346250 >>213346386 >>213346539 >>213346658 >>213346933 >>213347043 >>213347254
>Rightoids still lack the media literacy to comprehend that this is obviously a satire/critique on the concept of fascism
LOL
Anonymous No.213343623
>>213343600 (OP)
If that's a real quote he sure did achieve what he set out to do.
Anonymous No.213343632 >>213344630 >>213344845 >>213345325 >>213345809 >>213347101 >>213347173 >>213347865
>>213343600 (OP)
Right wingers have to cope because there damn near zero good right wing filmmakers or explicitly RW movies to begin with. Sad stuff really
Anonymous No.213343788
You faggots shooting yourselves in the foot over this will never stop being funny.
Anonymous No.213343902 >>213344209 >>213344238 >>213344532 >>213345712 >>213345857 >>213347176
>>213343600 (OP)
>fascist

no dictator
honest reporting on the disaster of klendathu
freedom of speech
a military where you can quit at any time
equal rights for all sexes and ethnicities
disabled people can still serve in the military
military service is optional even in a war against aliens

>fascism is when neil patrick harris wears a leather coat and there's military propaganda
Anonymous No.213343919 >>213344584
>>213343600 (OP)
Get tormented, faggots
Anonymous No.213344010 >>213344259
>>213343600 (OP)
>this is obviously a satire/critique on the concept of fascism
It isn't really, if anything the message is more "war bad" than anything about political ideology. It has more in common with The Deer Hunter than The Great Dictator.
Anonymous No.213344058
>>213343600 (OP)
its called appropriation libtard, open a thesaurus some time
Anonymous No.213344068
>>213343600 (OP)
> obviously a satire/critique
So why does it looks like it's promoting fascism not ridicules it, leftie?!

Cus it shows much more better society than you liberals do
Anonymous No.213344073
>>213343600 (OP)
nah. I got it. It's just that Fascim is fucking kino.
kill yourself tranny
Anonymous No.213344209 >>213344780 >>213345068 >>213346192 >>213346870 >>213347171
>>213343902
Fascism is when every single citizen is zealously supportive of the ideology of the state. The entire concept behind fascism is that the population, the state and the state's party becomes one, a single entity. Hence the representation through the symbol of the fasces: All twigs bundled together as one. Fascism was seen as an alternative to communism because the class struggle would be overcome by everyone serving the state.
Anonymous No.213344211
>>213343600 (OP)
Genuinely, why did the movie contain no fascist political system, only aesthetic references? The only explanation I have heard is that the writer intended to write a straightforward adaptation and Verhoeven merely injected his vision when he felt like it, but that really makes Verhoeven seem incompetent.
Anonymous No.213344238
>>213343902
lol
Anonymous No.213344259 >>213344315
>>213344010
Ultimately, it's the moral quandary of Dizzy vs Carmen.
Anonymous No.213344315
>>213344259
Well, Diz was a bloke in the books, so the answer is crystal clear.
Anonymous No.213344408
>>213343600 (OP)
The source material is unironic and the movie seems to revel in its own stupidity.
Anonymous No.213344446
>>213343600 (OP)
>Liberals in the 90s hated it because it "glorified" fascism!
>no you see it's the right wingers that don't get it!
lol
Anonymous No.213344532 >>213344593 >>213344654 >>213344858 >>213345015 >>213345422 >>213345539 >>213345997
>>213343902
Read the book.
>no dictator
The Earth Def Force is a dictatorship.
>honest reporting on the disaster of klendathu
No non-military group, civil scientists or journalists on Klendatu to relate the war.
>freedom of speech
Lel again, no external point of view, instead of the military's.
>a military where you can quit at any time
You have to serve till the end of your duty, or if you are severed.
>equal rights for all sexes and ethnicities
Equal rights for the ones who served in military, not the ones who are to weak to do their military duty.
>disabled people can still serve in the military
Disabled people who've been severed in their military duty can still serve in the military.
>military service is optional even in a war against aliens
Military veterans have the right for a full citizenship, the others are second to third-class citizen.
Anonymous No.213344547 >>213344600 >>213344671
verhoeven just makes dumb action films and then claims afterwards they're "actually" really deep
starship trooper isn't a satire of fascism
robocop isn't a satire of police brutality/corporatism
total recall isn't all a dream
Anonymous No.213344584 >>213345205
>>213343919
What an odd thing to use.
Anonymous No.213344592 >>213344714 >>213346589
>>213343600 (OP)
If Verhoeven had take the time to read the book I might have given him a little credit for trying. The fact that he couldn't be troubled to read 263 pages before formulating an opinion on the subject demonstrates how intellectually lazy he truly is.
Anonymous No.213344593
>>213344532
This. Verhoeven was a retard who didn't understand fascism. He thought that putting in dark trench coats would be enough.
Anonymous No.213344600 >>213344686 >>213346672
>>213344547
>total recall isn't all a dream
common now
Anonymous No.213344605
There are several movies where the left ideology take on right-wing tendencies as a satire or critic ends just being loved by the right-wing individuals. And not the only movie where he does that and it's take the other way around (Robocop), so the problem goes in Verhoeven being out of touch about what a legit critic is and how to portray.

Also, kill them all (the commies).
Anonymous No.213344630 >>213344666 >>213345249
>>213343632

Tales of Berseria.
Anonymous No.213344654
>>213344532
we're discussing the film
no reference in the entire film to ANY dictator
a live recording of the war is broadcast with zero coverup of the disaster
we see numerous people freely criticising gov with 0 repercussions, sophie scholtz was hanged for leaflets decrying the nazis
we see 2 characters quit the army (rico rejoins) with no repercussions
we see 0 discrimination in the film either in public, school, home, media, etc
we don't see how the teacher lost his arm, could have lost in war or not but he is able to join up with a missing hand
you can become a citizen without joining the military (ricos parents)
Anonymous No.213344666
>>213344630
I only played Tales of Zestiria and was pretty gay, what does Berseria do right?
Anonymous No.213344671
>>213344547
>total recall isn't all a dream
Are you a cultist from Blade-Runner Scott's commentary ?
Anonymous No.213344686 >>213344756 >>213344999 >>213346826
>>213344600
if it's an implanted memory why are there multiple scenes in the film which aren't from quaids perspective? You can't remember events you weren't present for, let alone entire conversations taking place on another planet.
Anonymous No.213344698
We get it just fine. We just also see the nightmare leftroons put us in and are now open to other options.
Anonymous No.213344714 >>213344768 >>213345537 >>213346589
>>213344592
Verhoeven has its own ideas and movies he wants to make. Why should he let himself be cucked by some book of some dead asshole?

Faithful adaptions are for NPCs that don't have a vision of their own.
Anonymous No.213344756
>>213344686
i often have dreams where 2 of the characters in my dream have a conversation where I am not even present for - wait, no i don't.
Anonymous No.213344768 >>213344822
>>213344714
Why call it Starship Troopers then? Nobody would be complaining about Spacecraft Grunts.
Anonymous No.213344780 >>213344974
>>213344209
lmao ok faggot
Anonymous No.213344815
MEDIA LITERACY IS WHEN I ADD IDEAS NOT INCLUDED IN IT AND MAKE IT A REPRESENTATION OF SOMETHING IT'S NOT!
Anonymous No.213344822
>>213344768
cause it's a cool name and the studio already wasted money on the rights to it
Anonymous No.213344827
Anonymous No.213344832 >>213344979
>>213343600 (OP)
Actually fascists love being disposed of while their leaders laugh at them. Ultimately right wing politics for the common man is a humiliation fetish.
Anonymous No.213344845 >>213345451 >>213346203
>>213343632
>explicitly RW movies
Lord of The Rings. Various European nations come together to eradicate the feral Brown Beasts in the Field.
Anonymous No.213344858 >>213344921 >>213344947 >>213345141
>>213344532
Yeah because every communist country was so successful right?
Anonymous No.213344863 >>213345090
It's a satire of the book because Verhoeven and the writer of the film didn't like it.
Anonymous No.213344914
>>213343600 (OP)

WAOW MEDIA LITERACY

Fag
Anonymous No.213344921 >>213344956 >>213345003 >>213345141
>>213344858
Stalin turned Russia from a pre-industrial shit hole to a nuclear super power shit hole
Anonymous No.213344947 >>213347402
>>213344858
German has done better under free market capitalism. WW2 was just a big waste of men and time.
Anonymous No.213344956 >>213344987
>>213344921
And what's left of the soviet union now
Anonymous No.213344970
>>213343600 (OP)
Retarded director didn't even read the book but stated he hated it because of it being fascist. They're so sucked into their views that they can't really see very far ahead, or how others will think (no empathy etc). By the way read the book its great
Anonymous No.213344974
>>213344780
Eat shit, uneducated niglet.
Anonymous No.213344979 >>213345002
>>213344832
I think you are thinking of communists
2 Million dead in Russia from 'class warfare' aka killing farmers and anyone not as far left as you
10 Million dead in Russia for supporting Hitler and the Nazis and getting backstabbed before you could backstab them
40 Million dead in the 'great leap forward' in China
1 Million dead in human waves in Korea from China
2 Million dead in human waves in Korea from North Korea
12 Million dead in starvation based terror is Ukraine
10 Million executed due to being the wrong class, job, or attitude in China
400k dead in Vietnam because you worked for the government or were related to someone who was
100k dead in Cuba because you voted the wrong way, or were gay
2 Million dead in Laos (25% of the country) because you....could read? Had glasses? had any form of schooling


Communism is the worst thing in the fucking world, only a retard bad at logic, history, math, and common sense thinks otherwise.
Anonymous No.213344987
>>213344956
Blame the NATO trannies from the decadent West.
Anonymous No.213344996
>>213343600 (OP)
>The same people who love that quote will ignore his confirmation that the bugs are behind the asteroid that hit Earth
Anonymous No.213344999 >>213345323
>>213344686
it's just called exposition
it was not for Quaid but for us
Anonymous No.213345002 >>213345025 >>213347527
>>213344979
lol 9 million Germans died in ww2 to get Germany occupied by communists. The Nazi period was a disaster.
Anonymous No.213345003
>>213344921
Yeah only killed 11 million ukranians, allied with Hitler, and killed another 15 million of his own country to get it done, all the while all of their citizens were so poor they were amazed at the riches of the average Afghani farmer in the 80s when they invaded
Anonymous No.213345015 >>213345360
>>213344532
>tells people to read the book
>while he gets the things from the book wrong
But why?
Anonymous No.213345025 >>213345051
>>213345002
And yet people want to live in Germany, no one wants to live in Russia. In fact they had to build a wall to keep them in communist control.
Anonymous No.213345051 >>213345123
>>213345025
Yeah they want to live in modern day Germany because of the benefits of a democratic government and free market economy.
Anonymous No.213345068 >>213345319 >>213345822
>>213344209
Except there wasn’t a single entity you retard. The were citizens and civilians, civilians were not forced to join the federation and could still have good lives as both of Johnnys parents were civilians and were wealthy. And if you did join it wasn’t permanent either as they only required a minimum of one year. If Verhoven was trying to make the federation look fascist then he absolutely failed.
Anonymous No.213345090 >>213345128
>>213344863
>didn’t like it
Verhoven didn’t even read the damn thing.
Anonymous No.213345123 >>213345176 >>213345253
>>213345051
People fled west during the end of WW2, not east. No one wanted to live under Communism. Not then, not now.

Communism - a system SO GREAT they have repeatedly had to ban their citizens from viewing the rest of the world and had to build walls and fences to keep people living under it!
Anonymous No.213345128 >>213345187
>>213345090
Pretty much. He read like 10% of it and hated it.
Anonymous No.213345141
>>213344858
Yeah because every fascist country was so successful right?

>>213344921
Imagine a Nicolas II turning Russia from a pre-industrial shit hole to a nuclear super power shit hole.
Anonymous No.213345176
>>213345123
>had to ban their citizens from viewing the rest of the world and had to build walls and fences to keep people living under it!
MAGA !
Anonymous No.213345187 >>213345272
>>213345128
But he should of finished it, especially since he was directing a movie adaption.
Anonymous No.213345205
>>213344584
but combined they form the mighty martin prince
Anonymous No.213345249 >>213345624
>>213344630
No shit? I bought this one Steam sale just because it was cheap, maybe I oughta fire it up. What am I in for?
Anonymous No.213345253 >>213346018
>>213345123
Who the fuck is praising communism? Go out side.
Anonymous No.213345272
>>213345187
I agree, but he hated so he didn't. That's why he made a satire of the book.

I think Neil Blomkamp is doing a remake, that will probably be an actual adaptation of the book, assuming it happens.
Anonymous No.213345319
>>213345068
Yes, that's why the film fails. It doesn't depict fascism, just a society that glorifies its military.
Anonymous No.213345323
>>213344999
>his implanted memories have exposition for the audience
Anonymous No.213345325 >>213345372 >>213345404
>>213343632
lefties have been making non-stop sloppy stinkers since 2010. Going back in the decades, past democrats would be modern republicans. MLK was a preacher, he would not be fighting for the gays, JFK would not be hucking childrens genitals into medical waste bins. Also, if you fail at satire, that is another loss. Stay losing anon
Anonymous No.213345360
>>213345015
YOu're new here I guess.
It's called feeding a troll thread.
The Anon n° 2 seams to counter point by point every arguments from the Anon n° 1.

But picrel is the Anons.

Just ignore the posts with "read the book" in it.

[spoile]I'm the OP, Anon n°1 and n°2[/spoiler]
Anonymous No.213345372
>>213345325
Going back in the decades, you'd be crying how Reagan is a leftie globohomo commie for pardoning every illegal immigrant in the US.
Anonymous No.213345390
>>213343600 (OP)
Don't need media literacy when I have the literal media
Anonymous No.213345404
>>213345325
MLK was a communist employed by Johnson and he would support whatever they told him to
Anonymous No.213345422
>>213344532
the book makes it even clearer that its less fascistic than the movies, with almost everyone saying military service is pointless and stupid
Anonymous No.213345451 >>213345552 >>213347419
>>213344845
People always misquote Tolkien when he talked about allegories.
>The Lord of the Rings," that it was "neither allegorical nor topical. [quote usually cuts here] For any resent event that is. It is however an allegory for a future invasion of Middle Easterns and Africans to Europe. Were European countries have to lay aside their differences and unite against the brown hoards."
Anonymous No.213345481
>>213343600 (OP)
it's impossible to depict fascism in a negative way because fascism is nothing more than the elevation of aesthetics above all else
Anonymous No.213345537 >>213345982
>>213344714
There is no such thing as a faithful adaptation. I’ve never seen one. The closest I’ve seen is Sphere. But they even messed it up at the end.
Anonymous No.213345539
>>213344532
>The Earth Def Force is a dictatorship.
how?
>No non-military group, civil scientists or journalists on Klendatu to relate the war.
and yet it's reported on honestly and causes a change in leadership
>Lel again, no external point of view, instead of the military's.
false, we see civilians using their rights
>You have to serve till the end of your duty, or if you are severed.
no you don't, you can quit
>Equal rights for the ones who served in military, not the ones who are to weak to do their military duty.
wrong, voting rights for those who serve, including those too weak
>Disabled people who've been severed in their military duty can still serve in the military.
wrong, disabled people in general
>Military veterans have the right for a full citizenship, the others are second to third-class citizen.
wrong, veterans only have the right to vote, all other rights are the same. prove me wrong.
read the book.
Anonymous No.213345552
>>213345451
That's from Jansen Reinart Rudolf Tolkien, not JRRT.
Anonymous No.213345581
>>213343600 (OP)
Verhoeven was a fucking midwit that's only good for flashy shlock.
Anonymous No.213345597
>>213343600 (OP)
It's just an scifi action adventure movie where monstrous alien bugs are clearly the bad guys. If you side with the bugs instead of the whole collective human global population, there's something seriously more wrong with you, a real honest to God problem, than say, a made up buzzword such as "media illiteracy" which really only simply means that one didn't swallow the propaganda like a good boy.
Anonymous No.213345604
>>213343600 (OP)
Starship Troopers wasn't funny one bit, so it clearly wasn't a satire. It was dead serious. If it had anything to do with fascism, then it was a propaganda piece for that. If Verhoeven didn't mean that, then he clearly failed as a director.
Anonymous No.213345624
>>213345249

Pro-life messaging, and the villain being a communist who wants everybody sedated só no one commits any sin and everybody is passive slaves to the Great Jew.
Anonymous No.213345631
No. Its a movie about killing big bugs. Simple as
Anonymous No.213345712
>>213343902
>a military where you can quit at any time

Washing out of basic training isn’t “you can quit at any time.”
Anonymous No.213345720
>>213343600 (OP)
Or maybe people just like a space adventure, and it's leftards who care about the politics.
Anonymous No.213345753 >>213345926 >>213345947
>>213343600 (OP)
He sorta succeeded, given the amount of idiots who cant see the satire, but in the end it's more funny than scary because of the retarded logic and cocksucking said idiots go thru to justify their stupidity
Anonymous No.213345809 >>213345971 >>213346303 >>213347101 >>213347173 >>213347482
>>213343632
>Right wingers have to cope because there damn near zero good right wing filmmakers
Conservatives in general can't make art.
Almost all of entertainment media leans left.
Anonymous No.213345822
>>213345068
Citizens were part of the party. The party was the military. The military was the state. Civilians were allowed to exist but had no say in how the state ran.
Anonymous No.213345857 >>213346017
>>213343902
This. Even in the books, the Federation is only service-level fascism.
Everything is common-sense-based, and only the most violently organized and high IQ individuals are selected for leadership.
Sky Marshal is chosen based on their immediate plan for dealing with the current x/y/z. There is very little politics involved; each plan is a byproduct of a results-based system.
There is no cartoonish dictator or massive brain drain created by a progression system that requires the strongest to fight each other for supremacy; likewise, there is no graft or corruption.
Hygiene, both social and individual, is emphasized.
Low IQ individuals are screened entirely out of the gene pool, creating an intellectual and philosophical harmony.
There is no discrimination of any kind, at least not any that is evident. All institutions and processes are merit and results-based. The distinction between a civilian and a citizen is seemingly an afterthought in all matters except legal.
The Federation honestly and openly covers the disasters and Buenos Aires and Klendathau. The stereotypical jingoism is still there.
Every single person depicted in the story shows a genuine dedication to the Federation, which itself shows a genuine dedication to the greater good of all.
The military continues to evolve as the Federation's understanding of the bug increases.
Everyone is beautiful/respectable, and intelligent. Even Rico, who is considered jarhead tier by analytics, is still a capable, charismatic problem solver and effective leader.
The only real example of class differences is between civilians and citizens; both those labels are entirely optional, no one forces you to choose either side.

This is the system you're trying to mock? Because 99.9 percent of the human beings that ever lived would find living in a world like this immediately preferable to the one we're in now.
Anonymous No.213345891 >>213345962 >>213346131
Why do leftists always side with bugs, orcs, etc.?
Anonymous No.213345892
>>213343600 (OP)
It was satire, until we had 8 years of Obama and late-stage capitalism to show us how terrifying the inverse of facism can be.
Anonymous No.213345893
>>213343600 (OP)
If we discovered an interdimensional portal and this was Earth on the other end you best believe i'm stepping through it. So long, suckers.
Anonymous No.213345926
>>213345753
I've yet to see evidence there's people out there who don't get it.
Anonymous No.213345947
>>213345753
>people who don't understand my satire are idiots
>but i openly admit I didn't read the source material, meaning any criticism I have of it is inherently invalid
Imagine trying to mock something you don't even understand
Anonymous No.213345962
>>213345891
Anonymous No.213345971 >>213346375 >>213346506
>>213345809
>Conservatives in general can't make art
italian paintings are regularly removed from museums after discovering the artists were fascists
>Almost all of entertainment media leans left
because marxists have had a stranglehold on the industry for decades, and people wonder why cinema has died
Anonymous No.213345982
>>213345537
Secret Window from Stephen King is pretty accurate.
Anonymous No.213345997
>>213344532
>Read the book.
Why? Verhoven didn’t.
Anonymous No.213346014
>>213343600 (OP)
Kill yourself. Starship troopers is about Rico and the roughnecks fighting bugs. You also have legendary co ed shower scenes and super fun neon green violin camp scenes. It's scifi action popcorn. It's like you're purposely trying to suck the fun out of a fantastic fun movie to prove you're so s m a r t. Enjoy it! If you want deep political commentary within a science fiction world - maybe try reading a fucking book? Why would you try to find meaning in starship troopers beyond Rico fighting bugs and tits?
Anonymous No.213346017 >>213346097 >>213346142
>>213345857
The subtext of all of that you’re missing is the military is the state, the military requires wars to justify its existence, so nothing the state media claims is trustworthy as it will serve the needs of the military which is wars to grind through civilians.
Anonymous No.213346018
>>213345253
lost the argument?
Anonymous No.213346097
>>213346017
There is no disinformation subtext in the book or the movie. You're just projecting your comic book reality onto a story you don't understand. There is no reason to manipulate people in the Federation because everyone is already an asset to begin with. I swear you nonWhite cucks didn't even read the story.
Anonymous No.213346131 >>213346341
>>213345891
Satire doesn't mean the bugs are good guys.

Robocop was also satire. That doesn't mean Boddicker was a good guy.
Anonymous No.213346142 >>213346263
>>213346017
>nothing the state media claims is trustworthy
They were honest about the failure of klendathu, and the capture of the brain bug. Also that false flag theory was debunked by Verhoven himself and said the bugs sent the asteroid.
Anonymous No.213346192
>>213344209
>All twigs bundled together as one.
Anonymous No.213346203
>>213344845
It's feminist and satanic even (the weakest and smallest are actually the strongest and most important)
Anonymous No.213346250
>>213343600 (OP)
>america totally infiltrated by communists who are destroying it from the inside
>"I'm gonna make a satire movie about fascism"
That just makes him the lead propagandist of a tyrannical genocidal regime.
Anonymous No.213346263
>>213346142
Because the military needs those at top to fail to keep people flowing through the ranks.
Anonymous No.213346277 >>213346528
>soulless brain sucking bugs versus young pretty people
>leftoids side with the bugs
Anonymous No.213346303 >>213346361
>>213345809
ah yes famously left wing artists like
Tolkien
Lewis
Lovecraft
Howard
Clancy
Heinlein

Best thing a left wing "artist" can do is poorly adapt a right wing artists work
Anonymous No.213346341
>>213346131
But we all know leftists act as if fascists are their number one enemy, and everyone elses, even when ppl don't really care about their nonsense. They'd side with poor widdle innocent bugs over da faaaahshiiisstss. Are you saying leftists would side with whoever they believe to be fascists, to win an intergalactic war with bugs? I find that hard to believe.
Anonymous No.213346361 >>213347010
>>213346303
Tolkien was pretty left-wing, super anarchist despite being Catholic.
Anonymous No.213346363 >>213346561
it’s funny that even heinlein backed up on military service being soft-required for citizenship, but here we are.
Anonymous No.213346375
>>213345971
>italian paintings are regularly removed from museums after discovering the artists were fascists
Exception not the rule. They aren't conservative even.
While fascism does look backwards for a mythically glorious past, it claims that it tries to create something new.
>because marxists have had a stranglehold on the industry for decades, and people wonder why cinema has died
Cultural Marxism is a far-right conspiracy theory.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory
Anonymous No.213346386
>>213343600 (OP)
>muh satire
All leftist policies are a joke without being satire
Anonymous No.213346506
>>213345971
>cry about how degenerate hollywood is and how artists should get a real job for decades
>BAWW WHY AREN'T THERE MORE RIGHT-WING ARTISTS
Anonymous No.213346528 >>213347818
>>213346277
>hmm, this society built around the military and military service seems quite suspect in how the military is a huge machine that exists only to grind people up and spit them out and would require constant wars to do th-
>YOU WANT TO FUCK THE BUGS
Anonymous No.213346539
>>213343600 (OP)
The only satirical aspect of this movie that works is the brain bug/psychic people dichotomy. The majority of the movie is good-looking people from a functioning society killing hordes of mindless bugs. That doesn't really work on a satirical level, no matter how goofy you make it out to be.
Verhoeven is talented but ultimately a clueless 60s libtard. In the 90s he was going to make a pro-Islam crusades movie, so as usual with leftists, he has no problem with militarism or conquest, only when Whites do it.
Anonymous No.213346561 >>213346747
>>213346363
Government service, not military service. Any role that had separation/hazard pay was considered government service. Mining/deep sea/deep space operations weren't military service, but were still considered core operations.
Anonymous No.213346589 >>213348676
>>213344592
>>213344714
Hey dipshits, do you know the difference between a writer and a director? Every thread I see you people fucking this up. The movie was written by Ed Neumeier. It was adapted from his script "Bug Hunt at Outpost Nine". Get it right.
Anonymous No.213346658 >>213346841
>>213343600 (OP)
You can make satire, but sometimes your satire becomes so good that it circles around and becomes pure entertainment.

It's like those writers on those "What if Nazi Germany won WW2 TV shows" like Man in the High Castle.

They tried to show how "horrible" life is by showing....clean streets, no crime, no homelessness, everyone has employment, everyone has nice homes etc...as long you swear loyalty to Germany. Meanwhile the "rebels/good guys" lived in caves and dirt holes, and were starving and poor.

All the comments on social media were:

>German America actually seems like a nice place to live.

>No crime and jobs for everyone? Sign me up!

>Everyone has a nice home and no homeless? This is my ideal.
The writers got so pissed off at the comments that they crashed the show the next season and ruined it. Then the show was cancelled due to low ratings.
Anonymous No.213346672
>>213344600
Damn I guess that means robocop is a tv show because it has ads and the news.
Anonymous No.213346747 >>213347018
>>213346561
The military is the government.
Anonymous No.213346826
>>213344686
have you never dreamt?
Anonymous No.213346841 >>213347541
>>213346658
That’s just you missing the subtext of how all the “problem” people were simply killed and everyone left alive had a gun to their head, unless they were some high ranking official holding the gun to everyone else’s head.
Anonymous No.213346870
>>213344209
>fascism literally built around faggotry
That answers a few questions
Anonymous No.213346933 >>213347107
>>213343600 (OP)
>its a satire
except, its not. its just sci-fi action. you illustrated a system working, and no real problems with it working. instead, you gave us exciting action to be entertained by. wheres the satire? wheres the subversion? that said, its not an endorsement either. its simply a fun action movie.
Anonymous No.213346955 >>213346996 >>213347041
>there is a scene in this movie where the main character approach a recruiting station and say they want to enlist for the army. the recruiting officer literally snorts and responds with "more meat for the grinder eh?"
>30+ years later on and for some reason people are discussing whether this is a pro- or anti-war movie
Anonymous No.213346996 >>213347041
>>213346955
>the mobile infantry made me the man I am today
>t. no legs and one arm
Anonymous No.213347010 >>213347109 >>213347407
>>213346361
depicted black people as ontologically evil aberrations and was a catholic, the faith that used to scorch marxists at the stake
Anonymous No.213347018 >>213347260
>>213346747
So?
Anonymous No.213347041
>>213346955
>>213346996
That scene was much more hardcore in the book. The movie cut it down so much.
Anonymous No.213347043
>>213343600 (OP)
paul verhoeven didn't write the script which was a straight up action scifi movie.
Anonymous No.213347062
It's funny how Veerhoeven is known for his satire and then randomly he decides to make a completely straight forward action movie with no satirical intentions at all. Would you like to know more?
Anonymous No.213347101
>>213343632
>>213345809
peckinpah
walter hill
robert aldrich
most of the guys who did b-westerns
that guy who produced gone with the wind
all those guys who made gone with the wind

classic hollywood was right-wing
Anonymous No.213347107
>>213346933
Of course its satire
The MI would never function if it consisted of a perfectly diverse mix of black women and white men

There were no women in the MI in the book. Dizzy is a man and dies in the first chapter.
Anonymous No.213347109
>>213347010
Why can't Americans stop thinking about niggers for a single second of their life?
Anonymous No.213347171 >>213347296
>>213344209
6yos are explaining to me (wrongly) what fascism is based on a retarded argument from karl popper they've poorly summarised from a book they haven't even read
Anonymous No.213347173
>>213343632
>>213345809
There are plenty of Right Wingers producing actual art like the other anons mentioned.

But yes, corporate media loves lefty low art because it does nothing to effectively challenge the status quo. Why do you feel the need to spend so much of your time and energy defending wealthy Progressive Liberal billionaires? (And Progressives who like low taxes ie “Conservatives”)?
Anonymous No.213347176
>>213343902
plebbit will never understand without a dictator and conscription its not fascism at all
Anonymous No.213347254
>>213343600 (OP)
I don't care!
I love it!
I don't care!
Anonymous No.213347260 >>213347769
>>213347018
>the military and government are the same entity and you must serve the military to have a say in how the military/state functions
>so?

So you’d feel hungry if you didn’t have breakfast this morning.
Anonymous No.213347296 >>213347418
>>213347171
Why are 6yos in the room with you I’m calling the police
Anonymous No.213347402
>>213344947
They’re literally militarily occupied by Z0G and are being ethnically replaced. Not that your people’s country lsraeI will do much better.
Anonymous No.213347407
>>213347010
This is more to do with black people seeing wizards create evil flesh constructs and identifying with the flesh constructs
Anonymous No.213347418
>>213347296
i wasn't being literal, i was just comparing (You) to a 6yo because i don't respect you
Anonymous No.213347419
>>213345451
>source: my ass
Anonymous No.213347482
>>213345809
"..."
Anonymous No.213347527
>>213345002
“Us jews will rally the world against you and kill millions of your people if you resist us. So just lie down and accept being demonized, polluted, and demographically replaced.”

No. The only thing worse than being an enemy of Z0G is being an ally of Z0G. Your tricks aren’t working in the Information Age.
Anonymous No.213347541 >>213347781
>>213346841
No we GOT the subtext.

The issue you seem to have is that the story was far more entertaining than the social commentary you wanted to draw attention to.

If you want people to pay attention to the deeper underlying social message, then don't have it be overshadowed by giant alien bugs, explosions, heroics, and guns.

You can't have the superficial aspects of the story be more entertaining than the underlying hidden social commentary, and still expect viewers to care about both equally.

You can't have it both ways.
Anonymous No.213347769 >>213347818
>>213347260
>has to add an entire second sentence to his OP to justify his talking point
Explain to me why a military government is worse than what we have now.
Anonymous No.213347781 >>213348669
>>213347541
>if you want me to get subtext you need to be overt

lol

It’s a lot easier to laugh at people like you since the breakfast thing dropped, and established that IQ isn’t linear, but exponential. That there’s multiple realities layered on top each other in the world and the separation between them is as little as 10 iq points.
Anonymous No.213347818
>>213347769
Looks like >>213346528 has a pretty quick rundown

Sorry for assuming you were able to keep two posts in your head at the same time
Anonymous No.213347865
>>213343632
How could you ignore the best?
Anonymous No.213348669
>>213347781
>misreads the post.

Once again you don't understand.

We fully see your attempt at satire and delivering a message. We just find your attempt feeble and weak.
Anonymous No.213348676
>>213346589
The story was informed by Heinlein's book you midwit, also Verhoven stated in an interview that he had attempted to read the book but stopped after reading less than 20 pages. Verhoven expressed a disdain for Heinlein's political ideas as set forth in the book, but instead of reading it for himself he just used someone's "Cliffs Notes" version and went from there. Go back to sleep now, the grown ups are having a conversation.