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Anonymous No.213364838 >>213365327 >>213365341 >>213365358 >>213365391 >>213367049 >>213367233 >>213367284 >>213370390 >>213370528 >>213372088 >>213373219 >>213377645 >>213379636 >>213382388 >>213383652 >>213390250 >>213394556
I found this man to be one of the most tragic characters I have ever seen in a film.
Anonymous No.213365327 >>213369925 >>213376259
>>213364838 (OP)
Ok now watch The Elephant Man by David Lynch
Anonymous No.213365341 >>213366641 >>213371069
>>213364838 (OP)
Why did he have some retarded face disease?
Anonymous No.213365358 >>213365779 >>213367021 >>213367410 >>213370811
>>213364838 (OP)
When I was sixteen, I won a great victory. I felt in that moment I would live to be a hundred. Now I know I shall not see thirty. None of us know our end, really, or what hand will guide us there. A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus," or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice. Remember that.
Anonymous No.213365391 >>213379888
>>213364838 (OP)
Ok now watch Lancelot du Lac by Robert Bresson
Anonymous No.213365779 >>213367083 >>213367171 >>213367204 >>213367338 >>213367497 >>213367514 >>213370398 >>213371080 >>213371270 >>213371271 >>213371316 >>213373977 >>213383994 >>213386126 >>213386433 >>213386786 >>213389750
>>213365358
It was a pretty spectacular victory.
Anonymous No.213366641
>>213365341
God willed it.
Anonymous No.213366986 >>213367048 >>213369763
I was very surprised to find out it was Edward Norton
Anonymous No.213367021 >>213370353
>>213365358
Quite a hypocrite speech from a fucking king who gets to do whatever the fuck he wants
Anonymous No.213367048 >>213369763
>>213366986
Same. I fucking hate that little turd so much its unreal.
Anonymous No.213367049
>>213364838 (OP)
on God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaAIKq4h8-o
Anonymous No.213367083 >>213367267
>>213365779
>(((exaggerated)))
Anonymous No.213367171 >>213367338
>>213365779
Saladin? More like ACABdin
Anonymous No.213367204 >>213367267
>>213365779
>exaggerated
Anonymous No.213367233 >>213367250
>>213364838 (OP)
Because you're a zoomer that only watches post-2000 Hollyjewd slop.
Anonymous No.213367250
>>213367233
>unlike me, a chad who enjoys pre-2000 Hollyjewd slop
Anonymous No.213367267 >>213370411 >>213371393 >>213373254 >>213385294 >>213385849 >>213390210
>>213367204
>>213367083
It was extremely common for historians to exaggerate numbers before modern record keeping and every society did this. It was purely to make themselves look good
Anonymous No.213367284 >>213367311 >>213367355
>>213364838 (OP)
>Christian
>Incel
>wasted potential
>le epic heroism
NPC opinion. There are so many memes about him from alt right losers. Please stop feeling special, fag.
Anonymous No.213367311
>>213367284
What's your current fave sissy hypno comp, xister?
Anonymous No.213367338
>>213365779
>>213367171
Saladin was not that influental in the big scene of things. Muslims didnt care of him, his legacy was mostly kept alive by French and Italian MEboos since he displayed alot of chivalary and honor what Westerners looked up upon.
Now soon later Gengish Khan came and conquered everything so there was no one even left to remnicent of Saladin.
Anonymous No.213367355 >>213367557
>>213367284
He was one of the greatest leaders of all time despite having a crippling disease that eventually killed him.
You're shitposting anon.
Anonymous No.213367410 >>213370811
>>213365358
Could be the best piece of dialogue I've heard from any film I've seen.
Anonymous No.213367497 >>213370347
>>213365779
Damn, 1 in 3 or 4 killed in one battle, on the winning side. What a bloodbath, that's insane.
Anonymous No.213367514 >>213369113
>>213365779
>(exaggerated)
lmao moslem copium
Anonymous No.213367557 >>213367616 >>213369324 >>213369516
>>213367355
He was just a tragic young man trying his best to rule, but ultimately failing. Then again, at that point the Crusader states were done for, even if they lingered in one form or another for another century or so.
Anonymous No.213367616
>>213367557
>but ultimately failing
He didn't fail at all.
He successfully won numerous victories, while keeping together the vassals of his state.
If you want to say his only failure was that of his sister never bearing a child before his death so that he could crown the child successor to him.
Not his fault the bitches husband died a year after Baldwin asked him to be king.
Anonymous No.213369113 >>213369463
>>213367514
>lmao moslem copium
Not even muslim but you faggots have like one victory in 100 years while muzzies got to recapture Jerusalem and withhold it from you for like another 800 years. Talk about cope lmao
Anonymous No.213369324 >>213369884 >>213388061
>>213367557
The Crusader States were done for from the very beginning. You can't just capture some city across the ocean, then go home and just expect them to fend for themselves without a constant flow of supply and manpower from Europe. Which no European lord was willing to do. There was far too much infighting among European nobles for them to focus on the Outremer kingdoms, let alone send supplies/manpower that were desperately needed at home. Same reason no Muslim kingdom could ever establish itself in, say, Ireland or whatever. And there WERE lots of attempts, mind you.

Basically the First Crusade was a fluke and was only successful because the Muslim leaders were caught by surprise by this weird nonsensical coalition of foreigners, which had never happened before. Once they got their shit together it was only matter of time until the Crusader Kingdoms would fall one after another. In this light, it's surprising the Crusader States even survived for as long as they did.
Anonymous No.213369463 >>213369554
>>213369113
Saladin held it for 5 years until Richard Lionheart kicked his ass lol.
Anonymous No.213369516
>>213367557
Baldwin literally couldn't stop winning. His only battle lost was against leprosy and then the resulting fallout of his vassals dicking each other over because of his lack of heir, including murdering his sister murdering her child so her husband could take the throne.
Anonymous No.213369554 >>213369796 >>213370396 >>213379560
>>213369463
Lmao learn history /pol/tard.

Lionheart didn't even come close to Jerusalem and was captured and held prisoner like a little bitch by some literally who count on his way back home.

Also cope and seethe, Jerusalem still ain't Christian. What are you gonna do about it?

>b-but we won this one battle out of 100
Deus vult lmao
Anonymous No.213369689 >>213369927 >>213375631 >>213386289
>be faggot count living in some shitty swamp in Fagotté, France
>be assmad about it
>Christcucks get their asses handed to them in the Middle East, like usual
>Pope goes REEEEEE and calls for a crusade
>Great, let's get some land
>Assemble army consisting of lowlife criminals and other assmad second sons
>Somehow make it to Constantinople
>Basileus is like "the fuck is this rabble, gtfo of my city"
>Get assraped by sandniggers along the way
>Somehow make it to Jerusalem with like 1/10th of your force left
>Assault the city because you know you can't just besiege it or else sandniggers are gonna come and fuck your ass
>Capture the city
>Commit a massacre among the populace like the insecure chud you are
>Some faggot count gets crowned as the king
>dies a year later from all the assfucking he got by the muslim bvll
>another faggot succeeds him
>dig into castles because you're afraid of pitched battles like a little bitch
>muslims be like "wtf is this shit", take back what's theirs later
>be horribly butthurt
>try to recapture Jerusalem but fail like 7 times
>700 years later online virgins see you as some kind of role model despite you failing 7/8 times and being on the defensive like some prison bitch all the time
Anonymous No.213369763
>>213366986
Same.
>>213367048
Why?
Anonymous No.213369796
>>213369554
gms
Anonymous No.213369884 >>213370363
>>213369324
What was Byzantium doing at that time, how come they didn't claim Jerusalem?
Anonymous No.213369925 >>213391076
>>213365327
First thing i thought of. Its deliberately mawkish but still good
Anonymous No.213369927 >>213369988 >>213375631
>>213369689
This lol. The crusades fucked. Was mostly a way to invent new forms of Christian killing to pacify and handle essentially non-Christian Normans
Anonymous No.213369988
>>213369927
Were fucked* lol
Anonymous No.213370347
>>213367497
The battle was a classic armoured breakthrough with the 400 heavily armoured knights on horseback charging in wedge formations and going through the Arab infantry like wheat. The men at arms followed and stopped the knights from being encircled, a total blood bath.
It was mostly because Baldwin caught Saladin's army while it was still strung out and didn't have time to get into proper formations.
Anonymous No.213370353 >>213385091
>>213367021
Thats not how kings worked
Anonymous No.213370363 >>213370406 >>213370610 >>213389694
>>213369884
Byzantium was on the defensive since like the 6th century after Justinian's reign. Pestered by Bolghars in the north and continuously having small pieces of land chipped away in the East by the Seljuks. To put it simple, Constantinople just didn't have the resources to fight offensive wars anymore, let alone recapture significant portions of territory. They already had their hands full trying to hold onto what they still had. It was dying a slow death over centuries.
Which is the actual reason the Basileus called the pope for help in the first place (his dogmatic adversary, no less). The Crusades were a welcome if temporary relief from the constant onslaught from all sides.
Once the Outremer kingdoms fell the fate of Byzantium was sealed for good.
Anonymous No.213370390 >>213370423
>>213364838 (OP)
>when you want to go raid some middle easterners, but have to deal with moors back home
Anonymous No.213370396 >>213370535
>>213369554
Oh yeah, i forgot Lionheart didnt take it cuz he could not hold it.
It was Fredrick II who took the Jerusalem after death of Saladin.
After that it was lost to (probably) to Mongols and later Mameluks.

Be real.
Anonymous No.213370398
>>213365779
>(exaggerated)
KEK
Anonymous No.213370406 >>213370471 >>213370490 >>213370852
>>213370363
>Outremer kingdoms
I would like to see this alternate timeline where they didn't fail.
Anonymous No.213370411
>>213367267
Do you forget the lies from ukraine war like ghost of keith? exaggerating numbers or just completely making shit up is still going strong today
Anonymous No.213370423
>>213370390
Not even some random Moors, but Morgan Freeman of all people.
Anonymous No.213370471 >>213370499
>>213370406
problem is they were, even under the most optimistic circumstances, a pipe dream isolated from immediate aid except to each.
Anonymous No.213370490
>>213370406
I wanna see the alternative timeline where Pope blesses the Mongols to join them in a Crusade to retake Jerusalem.
(This almost happent and Mongols sent many envoys to France, Germany and UK where they roused alot of interest - only to Pope to say no).
Anonymous No.213370499
>>213370471
Let me guess. Edessa fell first because it had no naval access?
Anonymous No.213370528 >>213370562 >>213370592 >>213371131
>>213364838 (OP)
Ironically, people remember the failed Crusades more than the Baltic ones that actually succeeded.
Anonymous No.213370535 >>213371217
>>213370396
>Be real

Being real means accepting the Crusader States existed for less than a hundred years, were on the defensive during all that time, and after less than a century the grand oriental adventure was over and all the West could do was throw one ill equipped and poorly prepared "army" after another against Jerusalem out of desparation without achieving anything longterm ever again. I mean, there was a literal children's crusade where hundreds of children went for Jerusalem to LARP as muh templars and shit. They got as far as Bohemia and then were sold into slavery lmao.

The Crusades basically were one giant inferiority complex by backwater savages who thought they somehow "deserved" better. Look at your modern day muslim extremist who's assmad about being an illiterate goatfucker in Anatolia and because of that he burns some flag or blows himself up in front of a gas station or something. Same incel energy.
Anonymous No.213370562
>>213370528
Because failed Crusades were about muh Bible and Christ and Baltic crusades were about expantion and exterminating european people by another european people
Anonymous No.213370592 >>213370746
>>213370528
better than being entirely swept under the rug
Anonymous No.213370610 >>213370796
>>213370363
What is the Komnenian restoration
Anonymous No.213370746
>>213370592
>bring up the corruption in church
SHUT IT DOWN
Anonymous No.213370796
>>213370610
As I said, a brief but temporary respite. Don't see your issue. Also
>couldn't even conquer Asia Minor
Restoration my ass lmao
Anonymous No.213370811 >>213373246 >>213391174
>>213365358
>>213367410
Reddit is down the hall
Anonymous No.213370852 >>213370891
>>213370406
>I would like to see this alternate timeline where they didn't fail.
Losers didn't even put their steward on change culture. That's the amount of hope they had for their own "kingdoms" themselves.
Anonymous No.213370891 >>213370943
>>213370852
I think they relied on steady reinforcements and supplies from Europe.
Anonymous No.213370943 >>213372030
>>213370891
... which weren't forthcoming after the initial triumphant zealotry had worn off. Hence their inevitable demise.

I mean sure, after Jerusalem had been recaptured by Saladin there was another surge in fanatic revanchism in Europe, but by that point Muslim rulers knew what they were up against and had prepared accordingly*, causing every attempt at re-recapturing Jerusalem for the long term to fail.

*Also the fracturing and infighting of Muslim realms/nobles had died down a bit, which definitely helped, too.
Anonymous No.213371069
>>213365341
>face disease?
Leprosy since childhood, full body, leading to paralysis, blindness and many other things.

He went into battle and won, carried on a litter.
Anonymous No.213371080
>>213365779
>victory.
He won all battles, skirmishes and military operations except 1 or 2 and those were not pitched battles but ambushes.
Anonymous No.213371131
>>213370528
>succeeded
Getting your ass kicked by swamp dwelling pagans and polacks is not a success.
Anonymous No.213371217 >>213371968 >>213372107
>>213370535
>Crusader States existed for less than a hundred years,

Diadochi period control: From ~301 BC (Battle of Ipsus) to 141 BC ~160 years (Ptolemaic + Seleucid rule).

Rome ~700 years
Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire inherited the territory in 395 AD
Lost it permanently to Islam in 637 AD.
Total Byzantine control: ~227 years

Rashidun Caliphate under Caliph ʿUmar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb conquered Jerusalem in 637 AD (siege completed in 638).
This ended Byzantine rule in Palestine.

Islamic Caliphates 637–1099 AD ~462 years

Crusader presence in the Holy Land (coastal cities): 1099–1291 ~192 years
Anonymous No.213371270
>>213365779
>spectacular victory.
muslims were always more than non-muslims in all battles but Muslims always lied about their numbers and modern leftist historians support the deception.
Anonymous No.213371271
>>213365779
>exaggerated
Kek, the absolute seethe
Anonymous No.213371316 >>213372122
>>213365779
Saladin lost all sieges and pitched battles against Baldwin and all military operations against him.

All that Saladin managed to to is take over a fort when Baldwin was not there and ambush Baldwin once (a second ambush was made by another muslim).

Saladin was nothing compared to Baldwin, despite the fact he was a crippled and literately past a point paraplegic, blind leper that could barely do anything.
Anonymous No.213371389 >>213371559 >>213371635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it-aFo6kQX4
>9 years go
>jewtube still hasn't taken it down
literally how
Anonymous No.213371393
>>213367267
Lol idiot
Anonymous No.213371559
>>213371389
>literally how
Anonymous No.213371635
>>213371389
>uploader uses his real name and photo and links to his actual facebook account on his youtube profile
kek based boomer
Anonymous No.213371657 >>213372751
Why do the schizo motherless christcuck kids have to seep out of /x/ & /pol into /tv/.
Anonymous No.213371968 >>213372036 >>213372159 >>213374479
>>213371217
The fact that you differentiate between the Roman Empire (aka the "Western Roman Empire") and the Roman Empire (aka the "ByZanTiNe EmpIRe") shows you're a literal historylet who doesn't deserve any further attention. You will never be a non-virgin.
Anonymous No.213372030
>>213370943
Crusaders took the Jerusalem back only 6 years later. Saladin would be just a footnote of history of not the westerner poets and writers romanticize his chivalry.
Anonymous No.213372036 >>213372154 >>213372176
>>213371968
>differentiate
You have not even been to en elementary school, let alone a university. Go back to /lgbtq/.

Is this 213371968 a bot or ai retard responder? This cannot be a human, they cannot be so stupid.
Anonymous No.213372088
>>213364838 (OP)
>a film
The film did not show even 1% of how cool he was.
Anonymous No.213372107 >>213372136
>>213371217
Also
>Crusader presence in the Holy Land
By that logic Europe has been Muslim for 1,400 years because there has been "Muslim presence" since 600 AD.
No, your shitty little hillfort on an island your last remaining knights retreated to 50 years ago because they can't venture down into the valley without getting assfucked doesn't mean you "control" the Levante.

The Crusades were a LARP, and it shows, as like any other LARP ideology, e. g. fascism, it attracts future LARPers further down the road who long for muh golden age which never existed in reality.
Anonymous No.213372122 >>213372236 >>213372266 >>213372381 >>213372431 >>213372511 >>213372528 >>213372552 >>213372616 >>213372667 >>213372688 >>213372707 >>213372746 >>213372784 >>213372946 >>213373306 >>213373380 >>213373412 >>213373434 >>213373454 >>213373575 >>213385477 >>213389566
>>213371316
And yet Saladin won and Baldwin got homosexed hard. How strange.
Anonymous No.213372136 >>213372214
>>213372107
Since it obvious you are suffering brain damage from doing drugs, please stop.
Anonymous No.213372154
>>213372036
that anon's brain is completely rotted from internet memes. he's sperging about history as if he's talking about sports teams and can't communicate without memes
>virgin
>chud
>assmad
>butthurt
>cope and seethe
>LARP
etc.
his mind is gone
Anonymous No.213372159 >>213372288
>>213371968
The fact that you think the glorious pagan Roman Empire must not be differentiated from the degenerate christcuck shithole of Constantinople show you do not understand history, values, tradition, religion and culture. You're a parasite lying and stealing the pagan might of Rome for your degenerate empire.
Anonymous No.213372176 >>213372199 >>213374501
>>213372036
There's no difference between the Western Roman Empire and the Byzantine Empire. It was the Roman Empire, which around 476 tragically lost half of its territory. Still the same thing. You'd know that if you weren't a retarded mutt with a superficial knowledge of history.
Anonymous No.213372199 >>213372954
>>213372176
No, you lying parasite. Everything that mattered was different. Religion, values, traditions, culture, spirituality, art, science. You're a subhuman, a liar and a thief.
Anonymous No.213372214
>>213372136
Please explain to me how a single hillfort that just hasn't been captured yet because it's in the middle of nowhere far away from anything that matters equates to a Crusader "kingdom".
Is the Pope King of Italy because he has a couple houses in Rome?
Retard.
Anonymous No.213372226 >>213372241
The scene where he "reveals" to Balian that he's a leper is so poorly written and done in a gay way that bothers me.
Anonymous No.213372236
>>213372122
>Saladin
He was unable to do anything against the Kingdom while Baldwin lived and was ridiculed by his contemporaries, even by arab historians that were desperately trying to create excuses for his inability to defeat a leper boy.

Baldwin died from Leprosy and the Kingdom was intact and thriving.

Ibn al-Athir (The Chronicle, 1160–1233)
A Mosuli historian who knew of Saladin’s campaigns firsthand:

“Among the Franks there was a king, a young man afflicted with a disease which no physician could cure; yet in his bravery he was among the most valiant of the Franks. He would ride into battle with his face uncovered, showing no shame for his affliction, and none dared to despise him for it.”

On Montgisard:

“The Muslims were defeated, and such was their rout that only a few escaped. Saladin himself barely saved his life, fleeing with a handful of companions.”

Baha ad-Din ibn Shaddad (al-Nawadir al-Sultaniyya wa’l-Mahasin al-Yusufiyya, c. 1190s)
Saladin’s biographer and close companion:

“The king of the Franks [Baldwin IV] though young in years, was wise and firm of purpose. His leprosy did not prevent him from riding with his troops and leading them in battle… When he was on the field, the Franks’ spirits rose, and they fought with doubled courage.”
Anonymous No.213372241 >>213372284 >>213381289
>>213372226
The entire movie is badly written, and even worse directed. It's liked only by christcucks who like to cosplays as Baldwin.
Anonymous No.213372266
>>213372122
Imad ad-Din al-Isfahani (al-Fath al-Qussi fi’l-Fath al-Qudsi, d. 1201)
Court historian to Saladin, highly rhetorical in style:

“The leper king, though his body was weak, had a soul like a lion’s. His disease gnawed at his flesh, but not at his resolve… he faced our Sultan with a steadfastness that astonished the Muslims.”

Ibn al-Qalanisi (The Damascus Chronicle, d. 1160)
Earlier chronicler, but his continuators recorded later events:

“[Baldwin] was stricken with leprosy, but rode boldly to war… the Muslims knew him for a formidable enemy.”
Anonymous No.213372284 >>213372958
>>213372241
he's the only interesting character
Anonymous No.213372288 >>213372335 >>213372336
>>213372159
I wasn't sure as of yet, but now I'm convinced you're a mutt. I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself any further.
>glorious pagan Roman Empire
As I said, LARPing.
You will never be a non-virgin.
Anonymous No.213372323
These weak bait schizo chritscuck threads are the best aren't they.
Ask the kid larping as christcuck in here what his mom died from because he's witnessing on 4channel to hopefully resurrect her or meet her in heaven.
Anonymous No.213372335
>>213372288
kek, total lack of self-awareness, you're the same meme-spouting retard as him, in fact you've used the term christcuck even more than he has
Anonymous No.213372336 >>213374542
>>213372288
>gets called out on his lies and robbery
>ignores the arguments
>resorts to ad hominem
Typical
>now I'm convinced you're a mutt
And this is a lie like everything you claim.
>As I said, LARPing
Even if you said it, there is literally no larping here. You're lying like you always do, and I call you out on your lies like I always do.
Anonymous No.213372381
>>213372122
Baha ad‑Din: “[Baldwin] was wise and firm of purpose… our Sultan esteemed his bravery.”

Baha ad‑Din: “The Sultan withdrew when the Frankish king approached, for their courage in his presence was doubled.”
Anonymous No.213372431
>>213372122
>Saladin
There’s some evidence that Saladin’s political opponents — especially rivals in Syria — mocked him for this. While no Muslim source bluntly says “Saladin was shamed by losing to a leper,” the chroniclers’ elaborate praise of Baldwin’s courage can be read as covering for Saladin’s repeated failures to destroy him. Given that Saladin also had rivals among other Muslim princes, this was definitely a point of political vulnerability.

But the most important thing to remember is that with no doubt Saladin himself would have executed on the spot any of these modern folk that insult Baldwin IV.
Anonymous No.213372461 >>213372540
Remember watching this a few years back and being blown away by how different it is, no one makes movies that feel like that anymore
Anonymous No.213372511
>>213372122
>Saladin
Frankish Accounts of Saladin’s View

The Itinerarium Peregrinorum (a Latin crusader chronicle) says
:
“Saladin knew him to be a prince most valiant… and no man among the Saracens wished to meet him in open battle.”
This reflects the Franks’ belief that Saladin genuinely feared Baldwin as a battlefield opponent.

The Ernoul Chronicle has Baldwin remark that Saladin treated him honorably in diplomatic dealings — another hint of mutual respect.
Anonymous No.213372528
>>213372122
>Saladin
Muslim Chroniclers — Respect + Subtle Discomfort
Ibn al‑Athir (Al‑Kamil fi’l‑Tarikh, c. 1230)
“Among the Franks there was a king, a young man afflicted with a disease which no physician could cure; yet in his bravery he was among the most valiant of the Franks.

When he took the field, they were strengthened in heart, and their cause was never more secure than when he was present. On that day [Montgisard] the Muslims were defeated… Saladin himself barely escaped with a few companions.”
(Translation adapted from Richards, 2002)
Subtext: Baldwin’s illness is stressed, but the tone makes Saladin’s defeat more glaring — a leper king leading such a rout was embarrassing.
Anonymous No.213372540
>>213372461
It's badly directed, with retarded characters, ugly filters, lack of color and bad lighting. You get lots of movies like this nowadays, maybe not this bad but close enough.
Anonymous No.213372552
>>213372122
>Saladin
Imad ad‑Din al‑Isfahani (Al‑Fath al‑Qussi fi’l‑Fath al‑Qudsi, d. 1201)
“The leper king, though his body was weak, had a soul like a lion’s. His disease gnawed at his flesh, but not at his resolve.

He stood against our Sultan with a steadfastness that astonished the Muslims, and when he was seen among their ranks, their courage was doubled.”
(Translation adapted from Gabrieli, 1957)
Subtext: Lavish praise here is a way to reframe a politically awkward reality — Saladin repeatedly failed to bring down someone Islam regarded as ritually impure.

Baha ad‑Din ibn Shaddad (Al‑Nawadir al‑Sultaniyya wa’l‑Mahasin al‑Yusufiyya, c. 1190s)
“The king of the Franks was wise and firm of purpose. His illness did not prevent him from riding with his troops and leading them in battle.

In his presence, their hearts were strengthened, and they fought as if driven by a single will. This was a thing well known to our Sultan, and he did not hold him in contempt for his affliction.”
(Translation adapted from D.S. Richards, 2001)
Subtext: Baha ad‑Din makes a point that Saladin did not despise Baldwin for his leprosy — indirectly acknowledging that such disdain was common, and that Baldwin’s abilities overrode it
Anonymous No.213372616
>>213372122
>Baldwin
When Baldwin IV died in 1185, the Kingdom of Jerusalem was still intact, stable, and militarily respected — despite being surrounded by Saladin’s empire and despite Baldwin’s worsening leprosy.

State of the Kingdom at Baldwin IV’s Death
Borders intact — No major city or fortress had been permanently lost during his reign.
Economy functional — Trade and pilgrimage routes remained open, and royal revenues were steady.
Army undefeated in pitched battle — Baldwin never lost a direct set‑piece engagement to Saladin.
Fortresses strengthened — He invested in fortifications like Château Pèlerin and reinforced Jerusalem’s walls.
Diplomatic balance maintained — Baldwin kept Muslim powers divided as much as possible, and even negotiated truces with Saladin when necessary.
Crusader morale high — The Montgisard victory (1177) and successful defenses of Kerak (1183, 1184) kept the Franks confident in their ability to resist Saladin.

Baldwin’s strategy was defensive and cautious — he understood his illness meant he could not personally lead indefinitely, so he avoided reckless offensives.
His political judgment prevented infighting from spiraling into civil war during his lifetime, even between the Court party and the faction of Guy of Lusignan.
Saladin respected his leadership enough to often avoid direct battle when Baldwin was present.
Anonymous No.213372667
>>213372122
>Baldwin
Baldwin never lost a pitched battle or a siege. Only "lost" while encamped while resting after having won or ambushed while gathering sheep.
Anonymous No.213372688
>>213372122
>Saladin
2nd siege of Kerak

Baha ad‑Din: “The Sultan did not wish to engage the king directly.”
Anonymous No.213372707
>>213372122
>Baldwin
1185, year of his death. William of Tyre’s : “The king, though stricken by illness, left the realm secure.”
Anonymous No.213372746
>>213372122
>Saladin
Why Saladin’s Failure Carried Political Weight in the Muslim World
1. Religious & Cultural Context
In medieval Islamic thought, leprosy was often seen as a sign of najasa (ritual impurity) or divine punishment.

For Saladin, champion of jihad, being unable to decisively defeat a visibly diseased opponent risked undermining his spiritual prestige.

2. Rival Muslim Propaganda
Saladin had rivals in Syria and Mesopotamia (e.g., the Zengids) who could use his repeated stalemates with Baldwin to question his legitimacy.

While no chronicler bluntly mocks him, the awkwardness is visible in how they overpraise Baldwin to make defeats seem less shameful.

3. Strategic Frustration
Baldwin repeatedly frustrated Saladin’s offensives and prevented him from bringing about the decisive confrontation he wanted.

Saladin’s avoidance of direct battle when Baldwin was present was noticed by both sides — a tacit admission of Baldwin’s skill.

4. Narrative Control by Muslim Historians
Chroniclers like Ibn al‑Athir, Imad ad‑Din, and Baha ad‑Din framed Baldwin as an extraordinary, almost chivalric opponent.

This reframing softened the humiliation of Saladin’s failures by suggesting Baldwin was no ordinary foe — he was, despite leprosy, a “lion‑hearted” king.

Legacy
When Baldwin IV died in 1185:
The kingdom’s borders were intact.
Its army was unbroken.
Its political center was stable under his regency system.
Anonymous No.213372751
>>213371657
Literally just don't be brown bro it's that easy
Anonymous No.213372784
>>213372122
>Saladin
Years later, after Baldwin and after his successor (died mysteriously, Guy perhaps poisoned the boy Baldwin wanted to be King), under Guy of Lusignan, the disaster at Hattin (1187) and the fall of Jerusalem showed just how much Baldwin’s personal leadership had been holding the kingdom together — and how his survival was Saladin’s greatest unsolved problem.
Anonymous No.213372804
They should make a golden age HBO show about the FIRST crusade, starting with Alexios Konmenos defeating the normans by skin of his teeth only to find them at the gates of his city ten years later wearing the cross
Anonymous No.213372946
>>213372122
>Saladin
respected and feared Baldwin
Anonymous No.213372954 >>213374509
>>213372199
>Religion
There was a literal god of degenerates who relished in same-sex orgies and drunk bar fights you faggot.
>values
Legal homosexuality, even pedophilia.
>traditions
Ripped off from Greece.
>culture
Ripped off from Greece.
>spirituality
Ripped off from Greece.
>art
Slave labor.
>science
"Yeah, lepros, OBVIOUSLY comes from bad humours in your scrotum."

Fuck off.
Anonymous No.213372958 >>213373020
>>213372284
Its very sad cuz there were so many interesting people during this era. Saladin, Reunauld de Chatillon (and his kurd bandit friend), Lusginan, the Ashashins of Nazir trying to kill Saladin etc.
Anonymous No.213373020 >>213373067
>>213372958
>Lusginan,
Guy of Lusignan was the most incapable king Jerusalem ever had. The worst person in all aspects.
Anonymous No.213373067 >>213373085
>>213373020
Yeah, and i think its interesting how he fucked up so bad.
Anonymous No.213373085
>>213373067
he also probably poisoned the boy Baldwin placed as king.
Anonymous No.213373126
khosrow would have raped this wite boi
Anonymous No.213373219
>>213364838 (OP)
>tragic characters
in reality;

"He would ride into battle with his face uncovered, showing no shame for his affliction, and none dared to despise him for it.”
Anonymous No.213373246
>>213370811
yeah you should know faggot
Anonymous No.213373254
>>213367267
meanwhile records of islamic battles go "15 Warriors of Allah PBUH vs 6 gorillion evil christians result: all christians killed" and if someone tries to question it they get banned.
Anonymous No.213373306
>>213372122
all muzzshits go to hell
Anonymous No.213373380
>>213372122
>Baldwin
Baldwin’s Coronation Speech (Paraphrased by William of Tyre)
At Baldwin’s coronation as king around 1174, William describes how Baldwin, despite his leprosy and youth, took on the responsibility of the throne with determination:

“Though the flesh of his body was weak and consumed by the cruel disease of leprosy, his spirit was resolute and strong beyond measure. He pledged himself to defend the kingdom from its enemies, to govern justly, and to keep the peace, trusting not in his own strength but in the grace of God.”
Anonymous No.213373412
>>213372122
>Baldwin
William records how Baldwin often led troops in person, despite his illness:

“Although his hands trembled and his strength failed, the courage of the king was undiminished. He rode out with his knights, inspiring them by his presence and resolve, proving that a true king commands not only by might but by the power of his will.”
Anonymous No.213373434
>>213372122
>Baldwin
William of Tyre also praises Baldwin’s intellect and governance:

“He was endowed with rare wisdom, able to weigh counsel carefully and discern the truth among many voices. His judgement was firm but tempered with mercy, earning the respect of nobles and commoners alike.”
Anonymous No.213373454
>>213372122
>Baldwin
Throughout William’s chronicle, Baldwin’s faith is emphasized as a source of strength:

“Though struck down by a grievous malady, Baldwin remained unshaken in faith, often seen praying and seeking counsel from holy men. His trust in divine providence gave hope to his people in dark times.”
Anonymous No.213373575
>>213372122
>Saladin
during the Battle of Montgisard (November 25, 1177), when his army was routed, Saladin escaped on a swift camel.

Saladin, the swift camel rider. Saladin, the camel jockey.
Anonymous No.213373977 >>213374537
>>213365779
they killed all the muslims that outnumbered them 5,7 times and this why the Crusaders took all those losses. Letting them escape would create chaos in the countryside, further, and this was a supreme opportunity to rid the world of such emetic filth.

Only the camel jockey called Saladin and a handful of his friends escaped.
Anonymous No.213374479 >>213374599
>>213371968
>technically they’re Christian so they’re all the same kingdom of God
lol
Anonymous No.213374501
>>213372176
They literally called it The Great Schism, themselves, and denied each other’s leadership and claim to being the Christian church
Anonymous No.213374509
>>213372954
He didn’t say they were right, he’s saying the Ortodox and the Catholic had different values in all these things
Anonymous No.213374537 >>213374949 >>213374995 >>213376992
>>213373977
>create chaos in the countryside
Do you think Muslims are just enraged marauders? They had a civilization there, you know. They weren’t just deployed and running around killing people on sight, they were a civilization
Anonymous No.213374542
>>213372336
Seethe harder, chuddie lmao
Anonymous No.213374599 >>213374660 >>213374755
>>213374479
If, say, the US lose a war against China and have to concede their Western half to some Chinese warlord, do you consider the remainder in the East to be the "Eastern United States", or still just "the United States"?
Anonymous No.213374660
>>213374599
Interesting point but it’s more like if the confederacy and Union remained split and fighting and then one of them was destroyed by a foreign power
Anonymous No.213374755
>>213374599
Or like if America succeeded from England and England was destroyed, you wouldnt call America England (unless you wanted to)
Anonymous No.213374949 >>213374994
>>213374537
>enraged marauders? They had a civilization there, you know.
There was nor is nor will be a muslim civilization. Nor Lands. Everything was stolen from pre-islamic actual civilizations and peoples. From ancient medicine ("arabic" medicine) and the civilization of Byzantium from the Persians and others.

Muslim kingdoms were just bandit kingdoms with a religious veneer as to control and fanatize the masses. Same thing they are now.

Stealing things from others and renaming them does not change their origin.

The behavior of muslms can be seen even today, see Isis and other organizations and foul countries like turkey (genocide of Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians and they still seek to restote the cancer of the Caliphate and genocide everything that moves if it does not become a piece of anti-christ filth called a muslim) and other such entities.

Islam has no value, nor do muslims. Just an anti-Christ heresy that has lots of people. It will vanish (in lethe) just like muslims will (in hell).

Mohammed was a pedophile bandit, just filth.
Anonymous No.213374994 >>213375011 >>213375204
>>213374949
Wow, what an unconvincing screed. You know history usually reads like history and not a mantra or chant you recite before going into religious war
Anonymous No.213374995 >>213375028
>>213374537
>running around killing people on sight,
they are doing it right now you donkey
Anonymous No.213375011 >>213375028
>>213374994
you are all finished :)
Anonymous No.213375026
Saladin and the muslims nobility and scholars at the time had massive respect for him

At 16 years old he commanded respect and was seen as more of a man, leader and warrior than most men could ever hope to be in their entire lives
Anonymous No.213375028 >>213375198 >>213375218 >>213375356
>>213374995
>>213375011
Clueless
Anonymous No.213375080
God bless every man who has stopped the muslim tide from infecting the world.
Anonymous No.213375198 >>213375240
>>213375028
Traditional Accounts:
The most commonly cited traditional Islamic sources, including hadith collections by Bukhari and others, suggest that Aisha was around 6 years old at the time of betrothal and around 9 years old when the marriage was consummated. These accounts have been accepted by many traditional Islamic scholars throughout history.
Anonymous No.213375204
>>213374994
ok sand pedo.
Anonymous No.213375218 >>213375359
>>213375028
Banditry

The Raids (Ghazawat):
Muhammad did lead or authorize numerous raids against Meccan trade caravans during the first years in Medina. These included:

Raids on caravans traveling trade routes between Mecca and Syria
The famous Battle of Badr (624 AD) began as an attempt to intercept a large Meccan caravan
Various smaller expeditions targeting Meccan commercial interests
Anonymous No.213375240 >>213375385
>>213375198
Right, that doesn’t mean they don’t have a civilization and are only just marauders.
Anonymous No.213375286 >>213379621
Is this the thread?
Anonymous No.213375356 >>213375409
>>213375028
"The Inferno" was painted by Giovanni da Modena (also known as Giovanni di Pietro Falloppi) in the 15th century

The work is inspired by Dante's "Divine Comedy", specifically Canto XXVIII, and depicts Muhammad being tormented in hell, shown with his entrails hanging out, symbolizing religious schism according to Dante's portrayal..

A realistic portray of Mohammad eternal location. In the hells.
Anonymous No.213375359
>>213375218
wtf I hate Normans now
Anonymous No.213375385 >>213375435 >>213375446 >>213376223
>>213375240
they are also pedophiles, as a religion of absolute evil, as they copy the actions of their founder, which was in effect an actual anti-Christ satanist.
Anonymous No.213375405 >>213379621
Anonymous No.213375409
>>213375356
>a Christian painted who he considered a pagan in hell
That’s crazy! Here’s my picture of you
Anonymous No.213375435
>>213375385
Yeah I know you are capable of spouting nasty shit about Muslims, the issue is if it’s actually true and if you’re a stupid maniac
Anonymous No.213375446 >>213375661 >>213375714 >>213380175
>>213375385
Yeah I know you are capable of spouting nasty shit about Muslims, the issue is if it’s actually true and if you’re a stupid maniac. I have to ask though were you raised Christian or did you pick it up just to spurn other religions?
Anonymous No.213375462
Whoops didn’t mean to double post (lost the argument)
Anonymous No.213375479 >>213379621
Anonymous No.213375631 >>213375651
>>213369689
>>213369927
Nice cope Abdul.
Anonymous No.213375651
>>213375631
Quit thinking of yourself as a WoW character
Anonymous No.213375661 >>213375852
>>213375446
This is from Muslims Books, it is Islam itself.
Anonymous No.213375675 >>213379621
Anonymous No.213375714 >>213375852 >>213376223
>>213375446
>nasty
This is Islam, this is from Muslim scholars and its books ("holy" books and scriptures) and the reality of this abomination.
Anonymous No.213375852
>>213375661
>>213375714
You must live in pretty poor conditions not to have met a Muslim that betrays your expectations
Anonymous No.213376223
>>213375385
>>213375714
So why did we overthrow the progressive Iranian government and install a theocratic Muslim coup?
Anonymous No.213376259
>>213365327
>The Elephant Man
the average guys experience in current dating field
Anonymous No.213376992 >>213377982
>>213374537
"Muslims were a civilization"
No, they were not, they were a group of own kingdoms and duchies that were playing the same 'game of thrones' as the West (until Mongols came and conquered everyone). To Egypt Saladin was a kurdish conqueror, to Syria he was a Egyptian infidel handling the crusaders with pillow gloves.
Anonymous No.213377645 >>213377995
>>213364838 (OP)
Why do white incels like chacracters like this and Stannis so much?
Anonymous No.213377982
>>213376992
Right, I’m saying they weren’t just violent marauders
Anonymous No.213377995
>>213377645
It flatters them to feel put upon by their willingness to make war
Anonymous No.213379092 >>213379363
Seriously though how do you reckon with the success of de-muslimized arabs such as in the reign of Shah Pahlavi? Do you trust Iranins when religious extremism wanes from the area? I think they had a pretty good run of it before we cut that off to make the region unconquerable to the Sovets and later ourselves
Anonymous No.213379363 >>213379610
>>213379092
Dont believe the '90s-'00s muslim scare shit.
The worst enemy of muslims are another muslims, these guys kill the other sect more than anything else.
Anonymous No.213379560 >>213380563
>>213369554
>Also cope and seethe, Jerusalem still ain't Christian.
It is? America owns Israel.
Anonymous No.213379610
>>213379363
>The worst enemy of muslims are another muslims
i think everybody with a brain knows that. But its easier to blame Israel instead of getting your shit together.
Anonymous No.213379621
>>213375675
>>213375479
>>213375405
>>213375286
I struggle knowing if these are legit or not.
>It's real, it's in one of the hadith!
Fuckin muslims
Anonymous No.213379636
>>213364838 (OP)
this shit is so lame lol babies first wise-beyond-their-years character
Anonymous No.213379789
>Baldwin
Anonymous No.213379888 >>213393070
>>213365391
What a garbage movie
Anonymous No.213380175
>>213375446
>Muslims
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1biAMesWKps

destroyed
Anonymous No.213380563
>>213379560
>America owns Israel.
Anonymous No.213381289
>>213372241
>it's a pro-Christian film and liked by Christians
LOL
Anonymous No.213382388
>>213364838 (OP)
getting diseased by jews will make the most peaceful into crusading militants
Anonymous No.213383652
>>213364838 (OP)
Slop film and slop character
Anonymous No.213383994
>>213365779
Nothing better than Christian armies protecting the land from muslims
Anonymous No.213385091
>>213370353
He has a lot more power than ordinary people regardless.
Anonymous No.213385294
>>213367267

>It was extremely common for historians to exaggerate numbers before modern record keeping and every society did this. It was purely to make themselves look good

SIX GORILLION
Anonymous No.213385477
>>213372122
heh, you got BTFO
Anonymous No.213385690 >>213385999
>King of Jerusalem happens to a gigachad who'd keep the Holy Land in Christian hands for the next century
>leprosy

Best proof of Allah I've ever seen
Anonymous No.213385849
>>213367267
Why are midwits getting triggered by this. It's a known fact. There's tons of battles during the crusades where Muslim """historians""" said that their side won despite being outnumbered 100 to 1 which is also clearly a lie. Most of ancient history is just propaganda.
Anonymous No.213385999 >>213386058 >>213386468
>>213385690
You mean of the Catholic God. His whole motto is the meek beating the powerful, a young king dying from leprosy defeated the best the muslims had to offer.
You die an eternal champion and go to Paradise to spend eternity with God.
Anonymous No.213386058
>>213385999
>Trips
Oh yeah
Anonymous No.213386126 >>213386214
>>213365779
>Most of the army killed
im sure it was real in your mind christcuck
Anonymous No.213386214 >>213386412
>>213386126
Ok Muhammed-eating-pork anon, refute it.
Anonymous No.213386289 >>213386365
>>213369689
step aside muzz and kikes, the christcucks takes the medal for the biggest retarded nigger cattle of all times
Anonymous No.213386365 >>213386525
>>213386289
A muslim siding with jews to own the Christians?
How original
Anonymous No.213386412 >>213386459
>>213386214
die already boomer
Anonymous No.213386433
>>213365779
Vlandia always beats Aserai
Anonymous No.213386459
>>213386412
I'm 29
By the way, crying and coping about being curbstomped by Christians is not how you refute a historical event.
Anonymous No.213386468
>>213385999
Yeah but Allah's whole motto is let's rape goats and diddle kids while pretending that not eating pork makes us clean so he definitely won that one
Anonymous No.213386525 >>213386579
>>213386365
>muslims, jews, christians
whats the difference? you all worship the same demon from saturn
Anonymous No.213386579 >>213386703 >>213387348
>>213386525
Because that demon has three heads, and here I am to use my Catholic powers to dominate the world with the power of Jesuits! muslims are jews are actually our puppets and cattle.
AYEM AE SEHTI AE VEHK
Anonymous No.213386703 >>213386726 >>213387348
>>213386579
>catholic
lol you are brown
Anonymous No.213386726
>>213386703
You are brown too. What's the problem then?
Anonymous No.213386786
>>213365779
I have no idea why all of these replies are laughing at the “exaggerated” part as if Saladin didn’t later conquer Jerusalem anyways.
Anonymous No.213386859
>arguing about Muslim and Christian wars from 1000 years ago for Jerusalem while US leaders visit Israel to suck their dicks at the western wall and say the Bible tells them to prioritize Jewish interests
Are you all aware that none of this stuff matters and today we deal with very different, very surreal circumstances that would baffle all the crusaders and Muslims themselves
Anonymous No.213387348
>>213386579
>>213386703
Both of you are white guys trying to hawk a cheap sense of esoteric knowledge for fun, so shut the fuck up and get a grip
Anonymous No.213387958
There is no realistic argument wherein 'Christian' Europe was anything more than a collaboration of raiders given a cheap religious imperative to assault what was a more civilized Arab population. PROVE HISTORY WRONG!
Anonymous No.213388061 >>213388104
>>213369324
>You can't just capture some city across the ocean, then go home and just expect them to fend for themselves
Bud how do you think those cities "became" muslim
Hint: it wasnt them peacefully converting to islam
Anonymous No.213388104 >>213388136
>>213388061
It was spreading into a local area, you dumb fuck. How close do you think Medina is to Jerusalem?
Anonymous No.213388136 >>213388259
>>213388104
Much further away than Constantinople
>spreading into a local area
Lmao
You have to be american
Anonymous No.213388259
>>213388136
Jerusalem was conquered by Islam, you're right. I accept the right of strength and diplomacy and so forth, but I'm just asking for a little honoring of the Islamic or even just Arab people. I mean Jesus Christ I've met em, they're good people and no after all this history (even in a Biblical sense considering Cyrus and the Shah's attempt at honoring in the modern age) Israel is not exempt from the consequences of this mutual war they have continuously chosen not to resolve!!!
Anonymous No.213389249 >>213389469
Now Jerusalem is finally back in the hands of its rightful owners (the Jews).
Anonymous No.213389469
>>213389249
The Jews might be evil but you can't deny that their story is kino. I hope they build the third temple.
Anonymous No.213389566
>>213372122
Baldwin was an incredible person. If he hadn't been cursed by leprosy the entire history of the Crusader states might have been very different. Unlike many of your replies, I respect Saladin too.
Anonymous No.213389694
>>213370363
>Byzantium was on the defensive since like the 6th century after Justinian's reign.
This is blatantly false and you know it. The Macedonian dynasty lasted nearly 200 years and went from strength to strength and you know they were repeatedly crushing the Arabs/Turks.
Anonymous No.213389750
>>213365779
>(exagerrated)
Meanwhile muslim conquests have 5 inbreds btfo 50,000 byzantines and persians and historians take it as fact
Anonymous No.213390210
>>213367267
>it was le exaggerated because le heckin modern science said so!
You are a fucking midwit.
Anonymous No.213390250
>>213364838 (OP)
>Peaks in high school
Anonymous No.213390525
This scared the shit out of me when I first saw it
Anonymous No.213390661
It's always too easy to get mudslimes seething on this board.
Anonymous No.213391076
>>213369925
>mawkish
Damn, good word, thanks. I'll start saying this instead of "Oscar bait" from now on.
Anonymous No.213391174
>>213370811
I'm not joining you there, retard.
Anonymous No.213392242
Enough with the arguing

Choose your helmet
Anonymous No.213393070
>>213379888
Filtered.
Anonymous No.213393993
>crusaders lose
>OMG LE HECKIN' BALDWERINO
Anonymous No.213394556
>>213364838 (OP)
Good taste anon, the Director's Cut is unironically a great film.