We improved the quality…
We got good reviews…
We didn’t include Disney+ characters…
We set it in a new universe with no homework required…
We didn’t even make it woke…

But it still fucking failed????

WHAT DO YOU CHUDCELS FUCKING WANT???!

>>213371929 (OP)
Global yiddish eradication.

>>213371949
So you people were just racist assholes the entire time? You didn’t even like comic book movies?

>>213371929 (OP)
Now his anxiety will get even worse!

>>213371999
How can we be racists if israel is doing the genociding?

>>213371929 (OP)
Disney poisoned the well over the last ten years with the endless capeslop and ruining Star Wars. I actually like Fantastic Four as characters (haven't seen the new movie), but it's just too late. Marvel/Disney has left a bad taste in everyone's mouths.

>>213372032
Antisemitism is a blight, it led to thousands of years of persecutions culminating in the holocaust, the worst genocide in human history.

>>213371929 (OP)
>staring the Fantastic Four
There's your problem. Should have started with an actual popular character or team. This is not the time to start a no name(with the Gen public) team like Guardians.

>>213371929 (OP)
We told you retards there was superhero fatigue back in 2021 but you all scoffed at me and said it was "bad movie fatigue" instead.
Get a clue.

I want... 10 straight years without another capeshit film.

>>213371929 (OP)
>We didn’t even make it woke
Yes you fucking did.

>>213372052
Only chuds care about antisemitism. Hitler was Woke.

>>213371929 (OP)
>we've unattractive leads
holy hell I despise botched faces especially on woman

>>213372092
He was definitely a member of the woke right

>>213372052
>people just, uh, you know... hate them for no reason!

>>213371929 (OP)
>shitty third act
Maybe fix that?

>>213371929 (OP)
>We got good reviews…

overrated reviews i think people/critics felt more or less bad for the superhero genre going down and gave them some extra points.
I watched both supermand and f4 (and that thunder thingy they renamed) and i was not impressed at all they are just like the other new superhero movies.

>>213371929 (OP)
Maybe if Fantastic Four was the first Marvel movie of 2025, people would be more interested.
But because we had Blacktain America and Walmart Avengers earlier in the year to remind us that Marvel only makes garbage nowadays (no matter how many times shills swear up and down that Thunderflops is le good), the audience correctly identified that Marvel is still only putting out trash.

>>213372052
Even leftists and shitlibs don't care at this point. You only got boomers and poos on your side.

>>213372184
Walmart Avengers was actually pretty decent but it was obvious it wouldn't sell as it was relying on a bunch of literal whos and Bucky.

>>213372208
As I said, no matter how many times you repeat this, you won't convince anyone.

>>213372184
People also remember the previous fantastic four that sucked cock. Some even remember those two before that which also weren't any good.

>>213372080
>10 years without a super hero movie
When was the last time that happened '66 Batman to '78 Superman?

They have to reduce their output even further.
We've had 3 Marvel movies so far this year.
There is no hype in seeing them in theaters because they'll be on Disney+ in 3 months.

>>213372227
That's fine, it's not like I liked nuCap or F4

>>213371929 (OP)
F4 was the first decent Marvel flick in years and it's a flop. When will boomer execs learn that no one gives a fuck about the F4?

>>213371929 (OP)
Dude, they spent years burning down the brand with an aggressive devotion to cranking out shit project after shit project, and I think somewhere around Ant-Man 3, even normies finally caught on.

No Way Home coasted on Raimi nostalgia, Deadpool and Wolverine likewise on Fox X-Men, and Guardians 3 did well through good word-of-mouth, and the fact that Guardians was kind of brilliant the whole way through.

marvel joints always get good reviews. i dont think its a good movie t b h. not terrible either but I thought it was kind of boring. not a good action movie and not a good character driven movie. I also really hate the cast and its not even because kirby is bogged and pascal is latinx

BUT MUH PREDRO RASCAL

How is it a flop again? Week two and it's already close to breaking even?
It'll probably end up making $500-600 million by the end of its run.

>>213371929 (OP)
What I wanted was Blade with Jackie Chan as the villain

FF should have been introduced as a family sitcom with Franklin and Valeria (and uncle Doom)

So, if the new avengers movie fails. will this be the end to marvel?

>>213371929 (OP)
They made it woke as shit. Movie was plagued with girl bosses

>>213372326
With how hard marvel drops in profits week to week it will not make 500 most likely

I have Pedro Pascal fatigue and every other F4 film has been a piece of shit

>>213372371
Star Wars failed already. Disney has nothing else left.

>>213371929 (OP)
>unlikeable characters
>dumb nonsense plot (we really need an entire movie of set up to establish their baby is "le super important" ok we get it
>no ACTION SCENES
This movie felt like it shouldve been a TV show

>>213372436
You will shut your whore mouth!

It's flopped because american's are stupid and couldn't handle having an older woman play sue and a person of color play Reed.

>>213372642
Trying too hard.

>>213372642
pedro pascal is white
his family is spanish

>>213371929 (OP)
Things caught up with them.
>MCU already had what felt like a conclusion
End game
>DEI era fills casts with ugly people.
Example Eternals
>Terrible Disney plus shows
Example Falcon and the winter soldier
>movies have been legitimately awful
Example Quantumania
>movies that hurt flagship character brands
Example Love and thunder
>movies that required you to watch Disney plus shows no one cared about
Example Strange

On /sp/ there's a classic meme about the Buffalo Bills being the Razorcakes. Everytime you go to take a bite of cake the damn thing has razors in it. Thats what the Mcu has become for viewers.

However there's another problem that needs to be brought up.
>unsustainable budgets
Let's take a look at Thunderbolts. It supposedly has a 180 million budget. You can't fucking have a 180 million dollar budget on C list heroes anymore. Standard 2.5 means it would need roughly 450 to break even. That's not happening for c liters anymore. The studio set itself up for failure. Studios have to be conscious of this shit. Everything has changed. The China maket has basically dried out on Hollywood movies outside of Jurassic Park. On top of that, Consumers don't want to spend 20 dollars a ticket on mediocre. They can stream mediocre on their 70+inch without paying concessions.
CFOs/CEOs need to learn to say no to a projects that are obviously not viable. Take a fucking tax write off on shit.

>>213371929 (OP)
>We didn’t even make it woke
No one wants senor fantaspic

>>213371929 (OP)
You cast Pedo Pascale as the lead
You cast some 40 year old walled hag as Sue
You cast literal poofsters as Ben and Johnny
I will not be watching your sloppa

>>213372952
Accurate.
No one wants to watch
>senor fantaspic
>invisible hag
>the flaming torch
>literally who thing

>>213372208
>>213372245

Thunderbolts was a shitty movie, it lacked all the good points of marvel supers, meaning ALOT of good action and CHARISMATIC COOL heroes.

f4 is the same shit, no one want to see super LOSERS who TALK.

>>213371929 (OP)
>We didn’t even make it woke…
If Marvel really thinks that than they need to hire Chud Consultents to explain to them how having all the white male members lie useless and defeated on their butt while two girlbosses (one of them who was changed from a dude to a girl) easily rescue them and beat up the bad guy is infact very woke

>>213373026
>invisible hag
unfortunately she is visible

>>213371929 (OP)
I don't think Pascal is a big draw either because he both repels and attracts people to theaters, but Vanessa Kirby has no fanbase and she's not pretty enough to get casuals unfamiliar with her into seats. If you are set on casting an Aryan looking white woman in her 30s, pay a little more to get Jlaw, Emma Stone, Margot Robbie, or even Dakota Johnson--they all would have brought more casuals into seats than Vanessa Kirby. Though I'm guessing at least one of them turned this down.

>>213372052
>the worst genocide in human history
Yes, because it failed.

>>213373680
>its woke to have a man convince a villainous woman to go against her villainous boss after she's helped destroy dozens of worlds
Johnny Storm. The Human Torch successfully defeated Galactus by using his own herald against him and you idiots call it woke

>>213372080
Good luck

>>213371929 (OP)
>We didn’t even make it woke…
X

>>213373974
Silver Surfer is a dude. The fact Marvel pulled a forgotten nobody from the bargain basement bin doesn't change that.

>>213372369
Unironically this. Wandavision but with the FF was how you bring them in, but a remake of a 20 year old movie that bombed

>>213374146
He is a dude, and shes a woman because they're two different characters that have the same abilities. Are you gonna whine some more about women existing?

>>213371929 (OP)
>didn't make it woke

An entire movie Casted and made around trying to male Franklin biracial. Why isn't it woke? AND don't you run from my comment you COWARD!


ANSWER ME. How does casting the entire movie based on trying to make sure Franklin isn't white not woke. Explain or I will fucking get you. You here me? I will get get

>>213371929 (OP)
The costumes and world design were good. I also liked the soundtrack, but the story was a complete mess.

I didn’t care about the characters in the movie, none of them felt compelling. Meanwhile, Superman 2025 has a ton of characters with much more soul(like Luthor having a picture of the creepy Slender guy on his desk).

Thunderbolts was more fun.

>>213373974
or in other words male characters only exist to simp to all powerful women since males are so weak they can't ever be depicted defeating bad guys by themselves.

>>213374212
Luthor’s goons had more personality than the entire planet in F4. Why do they all act like a bunch of retarded NPCs who just go along with Reed’s stupid plan without any questions whatsoever?

>>213372009
Hide your daughters everyone, Pedros anxious again!

>>213371929 (OP)

>We didn’t even make it woke…
except it is fucking woke shill. Marvel/Shitney still doesn't understand why people are turned off and checked out. Stay ignorant.

>>213374222
So all you want to see on screen is men? Sounds kind of gay bro

>>213374212
What it boils down to is the villains didn't have any life to them. Galactus is just some big lumbering sad giant. Surfer is some somber silver chick.
No energy to the villainy whatsoever. And the MCU has had some great villains, and the movies with them have always made bank.

Apparently Gunn took this secret with him when he left, because Luthor was full of human energy. You really wanted to see what that fuck was up to next.
Pic related is what WB considered a "good supervillain" before Gunn.

I get some people didn't like it, but it's hard to imagine that people didn't think it was a step up from some of the other garbage they've been pumping out. Box office for a marvel flick is gonna be heavily reliant on previous movies, so now we've got them moving in the right direction but the numbers make it seem unpopular compared to the garbage that came before it.

>>213374325
Its not that I didn't "like it", it's competently made and everyone is pretty good in it.
It's certainly worth renting/streaming. But it is NOT worth dragging yourself to the local HOUSE OF CORN to pay stupid prices to watch a movie on furniture of questionable sanitation.

>>213374309
Yeah the villains in the MCU have been kind of shit lately. Galactic is a nothing burger literally just a big guy(4u), the girl in Thunderbolts was some dumb quippy Nick Fury who’s plan made no sense, the big brained nigga in BNW was also retarded.

>>213374325
1.Fantastic Four are boring, no-one gives a fuck about them
2. Previous films have been terrible
3. People have marvel fatigue due to oversaturation
4. People are fucking broke
5.people have Pedro fatigue and are afraid of getting raped
6. Another fantastic four literally just came out a few years ago
7. It ain't that good
The deck was stacked

>>213371929 (OP)
>WHAT DO YOU CHUDCELS FUCKING WANT???!
I don't want bogged hags and Pedo Pascal.

>>213374325
Problem is that it’s entirely mid. Not worth not just waiting for D+ for most.

>>213371929 (OP)
Crazy what happens when you spend 6 years pushing away for your fans. I might get back into these movies after they stop pushing the multiverse plot, but till then I’m not interested

>>213371929 (OP)
Maybe not the same formula that has been repeated 5 times a year for the last 15 years

>>213371929 (OP)
Idk if the movie is woke, but casting a female silver surfer, an old hogged hag, and Pedro pascal seems like it’s woke to me and as a result I won’t watch it. They can claim it’s not but I don’t believe them given their history and if they want to convince me otherwise then they shouldn’t do race and/or gender swaps, cast woke faggots, and hate feminine beauty.

The Marvels
Eternals
Fantastic Four
All would have been more appropriate as a D+ movie/series.
Loki deserved at least a movie, after helping Downey jr. hard carry people like Ruffalo and Renner through so many films.

>>213374370
This is the gayest thing I've read today
>sanitation
Lmao this nigga's worried about germs

>>213374425
It's funny to me, because the movies that lean hard into the multiverse have been the most enjoyable/successful these last years.

>>213372237
Barbarella was in '68 if comics count

>>213374486
>germs
Lmao. Oh you sweet innocent child.

>>213374503
Doc Savage was 67. a literal comic book superhero.

>>213374493
Spider-Man and Deadpool required 20+ years of nostalgia to pull off. Nobody gives a shit about RDJ playing Doom but the biggest slop guzzling retards. Quatumania leaned hard into it and tanked

>We didn’t even make it woke…
>We just gender swapped silver surfer
>We just replaced a white man with a Chilean homo who is indecisive all the time.
>We just had two women save the planet.
Wait, why are you watching superman instead?

>>213372326
200m production budget and 100-170m marketing budget. Studios only get 60% of domestic box office and 20-40% of the international. That gives them 153-187 million against a cost of 300-370 million. If you wanna go with the 2.5 rule they need 750-925 million to be profitable. Either way you look at it, with a massive 66% drop it’s over.

>>213374545
Multiverse of Madness made a big chunk of money.
The second Spider-Verse movie was extremely successful.
No Way Home made incredible money.
All of these films are specifically about multiverse shenanigans.

>>213372326
It's really funny how despite the fact they'll end around the same numbers superman is painted as a success and f4 as a flop

>>213374545
>Quatumania leaned hard into it
It had a nigga from the future.
The Multiverse shit was only in the post-credit in the Hall of Kangz.

>>213374454
this, I simply don't believe anyone when they say it's not woke, makes me think even more that it's woke. Entertainment has been poisoned.

>>213372052
>culminating in us doing slave labor but at least getting medical care, meals, and recreation
Historically speaking, that's an excellent deal.
>>213372326
We can't explain all this shit again about how the profits are divvied up.

>>213374656
I sorta feel that you've devolved to "movie has women taking and doing things that aren't sex" = Woke.
But really, you do you. Literally and figuratively.

>>213371929 (OP)
Hold...
HOLD!...

>>213374656
You have been poisoned. All someone has to say is the word woke and you automatically shrivel away from whatever its placed next to. They've implanted a pavlovian response in you

>>213372052
>worst genocide in human history

it wasnt even the worst genocide around that moment in time that "honor" goes to stalin and the holdomore

>>213373026
More like the flaming flamer haha am I right?

>>213371929 (OP)
Senior Fantastico! Aye! Aye! Aye! Aye! Aye! Aye!

>>213374699
no one wants "business woman" characters.
we want essential females; not existential females.
just like virility is exclusively a male thing, femininity is exclusively an essential female thing.
(Feminism is ironically devoid of femininity; it just seeks to graft a penis onto the vagina).

>>213374791
>femininity
that includes fertility and the mind, body, and spirit behind it for women.
these women should at least act as if they can produce and nurture life rather than come off as hags.

>>213373394
The ONLY character worth WATCHING it for is JOHN WALKER, whom they tried and FAILED to CHARACTER ASSASSINATE again.

Should've made the Storms black and made Johnny a woman while leaving the Surfer male
Also Reed's actor should've been white

>>213374848
thomas still doing the 777 bit?
gotta admire his gettup/quixotism

>>213374730
If it saves me from watching slop, so be it. The liberal writers in hollywierd have turned off huge swaths of movie-goers/comic book fans both casual and hardcore. post 2016 has been a disaster. You call it pavlov response, I call it noticing a pattern since 2016 and rejecting anything that seems to have that pattern. So shut the fuck up and eat up your slop.

>>213371929 (OP)
>We didn’t even make it woke…
Shill, no one believe this shit anymore. Tell to your boss that adding an old hag as a leader will do people ignore a movie. Goodbye Sars.

>>213374455
Loki was one of the few interesting characters and they give him a show where he has to learn to be a good egalitarian libtard and deny that, while misguided and egotistical, he is in fact better than most as he claims. His speech in Germany is objectively correct, like it or not.

>>213371929 (OP)
The MCU era is over.
Destroyed by Superman

>>213374887
Yeah, he's actually somewhat more popular now. He's doing a series on WW2 with the Myth of the 20th Century guys on their show right now. Whenever I see someone type like him I have to jump on board and exaggerate it.

>>213371929 (OP)
>We improved the quality…
Did you?

>>213371929 (OP)
>We improved the quality…
I feel like they've been saying this for every project since quantumania.

>>213374971
It's like when one guy is just battering the other for 90% of the fight, then near the end the other guy scores a couple of knockdowns, but it's too late to matter.

I don't know if capeshit lasts another 5 years desu.

>>213372052
Americans know baking frozen pizza too well. The numbers + time needed don't add up, doesn't mean some deaths didn't occur. Mossad tells fibs to get what they want: other ppl's $$ to fund their territory expansion.

>>213371929 (OP)
>WHAT DO YOU CHUDCELS FUCKING WANT???!
To see you squirm like this, kike. lol

>>213371929 (OP)
Why are people spamming this? It’s still on pace to make 520 million and make a profit. Why does this board love doom posting?

>>213371929 (OP)
>We didn’t even make it woke…
>

>>213371929 (OP)
We need to go back to the way things were with Sony (pre-2020) and Fox (pre-buyout). They knew how to make kino.

>>213372052
The jews are not semites, or at least not the ones affected by the holocaust and other expulsions of the past. They're all eurasians, not a one has an ancestor who was born in or even set foot in the holy land. A semite is an arab or Israelite, which they are not. They merely co-opted the word and don't expect you to notice.

>>213375104
Those pathetic numbers might be good for an indie studio like DC. But us MarvelChads are accustomed to 1 billion dollar blockbusters so that simply won't fly.

>>213372052
>the worst genocide in human history.
The armenian one was way far worst. And yet only the holocaust has laws that protect the narrative, while speaking about the armenian genocide, can lead you into direct diplomatic conflict with turkey.

>>213375082
A lot of those deaths were due to bombing raids wiping out transportation logistics and a lack of medicine and food, which everyone was suffering from by that time. On another note, supposedly Israel's blockage of aid into Gaza is going to take a toll on the jewish hostages held there. They need to eat too. I can easily see israel calling that anuddah shoah, despite directly causing it.

>>213372244
This. I have to pay for and watch D+ shit to be kept in the loop anyway or whatever. You'd have no idea the Kang/multiverse shit was already dealt with otherwise, lord knows the movies haven't touched it since that dumpster fire quantumania.

>>213374889
Ahh, so its political for you and has nothing to do with the content of the actual film. You just hate Hollywood as a whole and anything associated with it. So you're in a thread discussing a film you haven't seen, have no intention of seeing and just want to talk shit. So what use is your opinion on the film at all? Absolutely none

>>213375064
The Germany vs Brazil of capeshit movies

>>213373974
Because it's woke, they need the iconic Silver Surfer was a man. Galactus had another herald that was a woman and even had fire powers, why wasn't she included instead of 90s fem Silver Surfer?

>>213375224
they knew the iconic silver surfer*

>>213375104
We have no personal stake in this. It's not doom (heh, pun) posting. The fact is it may make a bit of profit, but you need to pan out and see how bad this is in the bigger picture which includes to 10-15 years ago. This is a clear decline. Cap 4 made less money than Cap 1 when adjusted for inflation, and Cap 1 was not exactly a hit. It did ok, but just ok. Several films in a row have done mediocre numbers. The 2 that did well were nostalgiabait (spiderman crossover) and Deadpool, which was nostalgiabait while also making fun of Marvelslop. It can't be sustained.

>>213372083
Reminds me of (though I didn't and won't see Fag4) of the recent Dungeons and Dragons movie they seriously tried to play off as not woke when it was fucking hyper-woke.

>>213371929 (OP)
>We didn’t even make it woke…
>hispanic Reed
>ugly Sue who tanks galactus
>female silver surfer
Woke slop kys

>>213374188
Gay, even if trolling, still gay.

>>213374710
Ommmmm...

>>213371929 (OP)
Nobody gives a fuck about these pulpy cunts. It’s sad when the stronk female is unironically the best and most realized character in the movie

I just wanted Nova. I don’t get why he never got to show up

>>213371929 (OP)
>Fantastic 4 movie
>no Doom

>>213375607
Doom hasn't been a fantastic slop villain since Super Hero Squad

>>213372052
Good.

Also hilarious that this movie is bombing with the Pedo Pascal Doakes memes going mainstream. Seems people have Pedo fatigue almost as much as they have Israeli fatigue

>>213375644
It's his origin story, skipping that is beyond retarded.

>>213371929 (OP)
An incredibly good movie that my bf refused to watch with me because "pedo pascal" was in it

>>213372052
The only bad thing about the holohoax is that it really wasn't what kikes claim it was.

>>213372052
>the worst genocide in human history.
There's more Jews alive now than at any point in history and more 'holocaust' survivors alive today than WW2 veterans.

>>213372052
>everyone agrees with american goverment, hollywood and external politics agencies and global corporations cook numbers and crook things for PR reasons, power/influence and money
>but they would never lie and use propaganda about WWII!

>>213372052
>If everyone around you seems like an asshole, then it's probably you

It's been 100+ countries, kikes are way past this point and they're still playing victim

>>213372052
>the worst genocide in human history.
Every single Jew I have ever known that had "Holocaust survivor status" and therefore got government benefits from it, never saw the inside of a concentration camp

>>213374309
>>213374378
The MCU has always sort of had this problem, hasn't it? They're painfully generic and uninteresting, though some designs can be cool in their own way while still being inferior to the comic versions. Whiplash immediately comes to mind as an early example. His showing on the racetrack was cool but he was extremely dull, and this trend continued all the way through with only a few exceptions.

>>213375607
Blame Kang flopping too hard, now they have to unceremoniously make Doom the new big big bad and make Galactus go first. Nevermind the fact that Doom is only a Thanos-level antagonist due to name recognition and Galactus is a far more threatening presence. But fuck all that, I guess.

>>213375652
my brother constantly sends me instagram posts that have hundreds of thousands, some millions, of likes where they say nigger, talk about jews, make fun of fags. the vibe shift really did happen

>>213375104
My brown friends at Disney's Viral Marketing Dept at Rajneshe (India) told me a movie like this needs $800 million to break even. Sorry bud take it to them!

>>213375898
Yeah people forget that the MCU was full of duds even in the beginning. Iron Man 2 and 3 both sucked ass. Norton Hulk movie was forgettable. Thor 2 was awful, Age of Ultron was awful. It wasn't really until phase 3 that they started making consistently good movies. And now that that's over, they're back to making shit.

>>213371929 (OP)
>Pedo Pascal
>Granny Kirby
there's your problem pal

From the webm posted in here, the baby scenes in F4 are basically this level of quality

>>213374730
>They've implanted a pavlovian response in you

Who's they?

>>213375902
Yeah, its wild to me that this place is currently one of the tamer social medias. Fuck you have government creating agencies to address TikTok because the anti-semitism is so bad there.

>>213371929 (OP)
While movie the movie had all the foundational pieces to be good (world aesthetic, music, etc.) it had no oomph. The story is alright at best. You can tell there’s a lot of cut scenes surround Ben and SS. The leads are a bunch of 4th string options. Also being associated with the MCU is a negative now.

>>213374991
cool.
he kinda reminds me of the david foster wallace of the dissident right

>>213372050
We all know (including they/them) know that, I doubt it even bears repeating again.

>>213372227
Funny marketing. Softball "insult" followed by "acktually, pretty gud"

>>213371929 (OP)
It’s simply a product of the post Snyder capeshit era. Capeshit can no longer be good and interesting on its own merits and now everything has to be a crossover/cameo or whatever. Even Superman with otherworldly legs is struggling to approach MoS’s 2013 box office and will ultimately just break even.

>>213371929 (OP)
Why didn't they do any superhero shit? I'm serious. No one is pointing out the opening sequence is the only glimpse at their casual adventures. They spend the whole damn movie preparing for Galactus instead of fighting villains. It's BORING.

>>213376849
Because these are all just garbage movies on it's own. If you remove the branding and member berries from these characters, there is nothing of substance left. It's just boring garbage.

Compare this to something like the good old Wesley Snipes Blade movie. The movie was fun, interesting and unique. And most people didn't even know that Blade is a capeshit Marvel character.

>>213375607
If they keep doing the same thing people complain
If they do new things people complain

>>213371929 (OP)
You picked the most boring and annoying aspects of the Fantastic Four and made a movie about it.

>>213372052
The shit that has been going on in Africa for decades is way worse than the framing of the Holocaust in WW2, also that was almost 100 years ago which is ancient history with how fast the world has changed since then. You don't get to play victim eternally when especially when you ironically perform the same crimes on a different set of people

>>213376984
There is two stories of the F4 people even slightly care about, Doom and Galactus and Galactus is boring as shit.

>We got good reviews…
So did The Last Jedi.
>We set it in a new universe with no homework required…
It didn't need to be in its own universe to not require homework. This only reminds people that you're still doing boring multiverse shit.
>We didn’t even make it woke…
You genderswapped one of Marvel's most classic characters, cast a bunch of ugly old people in the other main roles and Torch wasn't allowed to flirt with women.

>>213376169
How dare you compare this masterpiece to absolute bottom of the barrel crap like fantastic flop?

>>213371929 (OP)
It was a well done movie, it locked in a definitive art style and kept within its lane.
It was also soft as fuck and made for women, every action setpiece was boring and there was zero tension.
It felt doubleteam filter sanitized by corporate and winemom advocacy groups.

>>213377062
>Torch wasn't allowed to flirt with women.
He kinda flirts with Silver Surfer. The reports of "we're making Johnny respect women more and be less of a player" were greatly overblown. There's not really a moment in the story where Johnny hitting on women would've fit in naturally.

>>213377070
>It was a well done movie, it locked in a definitive art style and kept within its lane.
How's life with absolutely zero standards?
Must be a good life.

>>213377121
>There's not really a moment in the story where Johnny hitting on women would've fit in naturally.
Then write one. It's literally part of his character.

>>213372854
>80 million dollar budget on C list heroes anymore. Standard 2.5 means it would need roughly 450 to break even. That's not happening for c liters anymore. The studio set itself up for failure. Studios have to be conscious of this shit. Everything has changed.
Saw that movie and no way it cost that much, it was a TV tier episode production

Reed has to be convince by Sue that everything is going to be alright. The MAN is being comforted by the WOMAN. I knew right off that this film was going to be terrible. The Incredibles started off the opposite. Bob is assuring his wife of their future stability, as any man would and should. The opposite primes Sue as the leader and I don't go for girlbosses. The woman isn't the head of the household.

>>213377055
Read the comics I guess, there's a ton of cool stories, it has super clear sci-fi inspiration in the early issues and there's even big name stuff like inhumans that are cool as fuck as presented in the comics

>>213377419
>The woman isn't the head of the household.
Go to redd*t and see how many redd*tors talk about
>the wife
and what she demands and allows

>>213377419
Are you retarded? Bob is fucking lying and way in over his head, and the movie is his wife doing everything.

>>213377433
>inhumans
Crystal and the redhead chick are hot

>>213371929 (OP)
>We improved the quality
lol

>>213371929 (OP)
We want everyone in Hollywood dead.

>>213372052
We're starting to realise that it was completely justified but sadly never happened.

>>213372052
man, this really triggered the incels.

>>213372052
>Antisemitism is real
Lol
>Worst genocide in human history
Wow either you value Jewish lives higher than other lives or your grasp on history is really bad

>>213374309
>MCU
>great villains
Mmm

Maybe like three/four out or 20+ moview

>>213372052
>the worst genocide in human history.
Why? Because it happened to God's chosen people?

people are tired of capeshit and superman came out first.

if the order had been swapped FF would propbably have done better. but these were both "tired of the state of the MCU? here's something different!"

>>213371929 (OP)
>We didn’t even make it woke…
Yeah, when I think FF, I think Sue fucking Storm's power hour, with Ben and Johnny not mattering at all. Reed? More like Creep. Norrin Radd? More like Not In That.

>>213371929 (OP)
>WHAT DO YOU CHUDCELS FUCKING WANT???!

for super hero movies to die, and for the cultural zeitgeist to not be fucking super slop.

>>213372326
Theaters take half the box office.

They ain’t showing the movie for free

>>213374641
Superman had a higher opening weeked and it's having better legs

>>213377419
>Reed has to be convince by Sue that everything is going to be alright. The MAN is being comforted by the WOMAN.
...Even going by your own logic, isn't that what she's supposed to be doing? Comforting/supporting her man? Playing a comforting/supporting role for her husband so he feels better?

>>213373026
>senor fantaspic

>>213372952
>>213373026
LEAVE PEDRO ALONE YOU DON'T MESS WITH CHILEANS

Make something other than capeshit already.

When Pedro Pascal first leans in to kiss Vanessa Kirby she reels back on instinct. She is not attracted to him. He is homosexual. There is no chemistry. Look at her face CLOSELY when she first hugs Johnny when he finds out they're pregnant. She responds positively and intimately to his masculinity. That isn't acting. She wants the handsome man showing off his fit body in the tight shirt with the bright smile out-acting every single man in the ring to touch her and shower her with praise and attention. Pedro just sleepwalks through this role and ZERO men in the audience but people being paid to would ever want to emulate or BE that Reed Richards. All of his plans fail. His wife saves the day while he's standing there holding a baby like a loser. He gets no cool moments. His stretchy powers look are as anemic as Pedro's performance and that's sad because it's the CLEAREST indicator of masculinity. I mean, come on, the penis symbolism is right there. Having Reed be worthless in applying would be tragic if I cared enough.

Ben Grimm doesn't have character. He's someone's lame aunt. He isn't an actual guy I'd want to hang out with. He's milquetoast. Aside of making some kids smile for a little bit he has no charisma and I actively hate him. He's basically Mark Ruffalo's Hulk. This is the exact same archetype. They don't understand that guys who thought they were ugly or were fat could immerse themselves into a guy like Ben who has a heart of gold and puts his family first. Who is loud and has the personality to make up for where Reed and the other's lack at. He wisecracks, he banters with Johnny. Like actual banter. Pull up a comedy podcast or something for reference to see how friends talk to one another. It isn't whatever the anemic mess that passes for banter between Ben and Johnny was.

Because Fantastic 4 is a fucking ass franchise that nobody outside USA even remembers and all the movies sucked so far. Nobody needs this fucking shit.

>>213372074
It's also a bad movie