Thread 213382149

>casually blocks captain america tier super solider enhanced metal arm

spidey's powerlevel was kinda BS, you don't get to be super agile AND strong at the same time

>>213382149 (OP)
he can stop trains and helicopters, he can keep buildings from collapsing, he can hold up busses--but he can't stop a punch from some 100yr whatever fag with some stupid mechanical arm?

>>213382149 (OP)
He can lift cars and shit. Spider-Man has always been super strong.

>>213382149 (OP)
We need more scenes like that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1rO-p1EDs4

Spiderman's power level has always been through the roof, the only thing that makes him seem weak is the fact that he operates in a single city.

>>213382149 (OP)
he has held back literally every single time he has hit someone.

>>213382149 (OP)
listen bud
he's got radioactive blood

He still doesn't have regeneration or durability powers he can be killed if you hit him.

>>213382391
leave jesus alone

>>213382149 (OP)
Spider-Man is deceptively strong, at least in the comics. Like honestly, sometimes I think they make him so strong that it's ridiculous whenever he struggles with anyhing.

>>213382149 (OP)
Lol I thought it was sketch too. But Spider-Man is actually really fucking strong. Can lift like 300 tons. They downplay it in comics and film because Peter needs to lose before he can win.

Understand?

>>213382510
That's just what I said motherfucker!

Spidey vs The Flash, who would win?

>>213382510
he doesnt want to make the villains feel bad and pathetic

>>213382149 (OP)
Metal arm is only as strong as his shoulder socket ligaments. Green goblin dafoe on the other hand blocking spidey was bs

>>213382634
Spiders arent even strong what the fuck, that's ants

>>213382667
Huntsmen can run on walls carrying dead mice
Jumping spiders jump like 10x their body length.
All arthros are 'proportionally strong'

>>213382667
Yeah, they took some liberties with insect character development. But you can forgive it, because when he turned into "Man-Spider" that was scary shit.

>>213382149 (OP)
Spider-man is OP.

>>213382510
>ridiculous whenever he struggles with anyhing.
Enter

>>213382386
Why is he talking as if he's not Spider-Man?

>>213382865
Superior Spidey was a run where Doc Ock took over Peter's body and acted as Spider-Man for years.

>>213382667
If your own body weight wasn’t enough to kill you, then you’d be pretty strong bro

>>213382865
He isn't. That's from Superior Spider-man, a story where Doc Ock managed to switch minds with Peter.

>>213382865
It's from Jay's perspective

>>213382924
>>213382942
I memba. Doc Oc married Aunt May or some shit.

But during that time, what did Spiderman do? Was he depowered for years? Seems shitty if that's what they did.

>>213383066
Peter was trapped in Otto's dying body, and he ends up passing away, but he remains as a ghost so he can watch Otto destroy his reputation.

>>213383151
Would would Peter be in a spider suit as a ghost?

DUDE YOU HAVE A
mechanical arm, you find this man.

>>213383339
It's a well known fact that ghosts wear whatever they died in for all eternity.

>>213382149 (OP)
>you don't get to be super agile AND strong at the same time
He's Spiderman
that's like 90% his whole kit

>>213382149 (OP)
Spidey's always been able to lift cars. Maybe a tank at max. effort.

>>213383535
Imagine dying with a big dildo in your butt lol

>>213382423
I'm pretty sure he heals faster than normal.

>>213382149 (OP)
Buckys arm never really comes through when needed. it fails a lot against enemies and is constantly coming off. watching him fight against sentry was just sad. the only time it was scary was in The Winter Soldier.

>>213382386
spooder kid dark knight story arc. lol

>>213382797
>I know three things
>mentioned four

>>213383710
Falcon's sidekick. KWAB

>>213383535
>It's a well known fact that ghosts wear whatever they died in for all eternity.

But he died in Octavius' body.

>>213383535
>All the ghosts stuck with IVs and catheters for eternity
No wonder they're pissed off.

>>213382667
He didn't really have spider powers. He just had radioactive bullshit he themed after a spider because it just kinda made sense to him given it happened after a spider bite. His mechanism for wallcrawling isn't even how spiders do it. Nowadays with Spider Totem shit he just straight up has super powers themed after the platonic idea of a spider.

>>213382149 (OP)
He's canonically a heavy hitter that pulls his punches all the time in basically every universe i can recall.

>>213382149 (OP)
Spiderman is unironically one of the stronger marvel comics characters.
He isn't hulk or thing tier, but he's up there.
He's also one of the super-geniuses.
Besides, super soldier serum doesn't make you mega-strong, it just makes you peak human performance +.

>>213382149 (OP)
It's standard cannon that he is one the physically strongest characters in Marvel. He fucks around, but he could easily tear people limb from limb.

>>213383339
Superior Spiderman.
Doc Ock was dying of something, and decided to implant his mind in spider man's body.
He finished peter's degree (finally), then moved to the west coast and opened his own mega-corp.
Peter's influence was still there and slowly but surely Doc Ock/Superior Spiderman realizes he likes being a good guy, and arguably he's better at it than peter.
Eventually Peter's consciousness re-asserts itself and the status quo is reset.
It was a pretty solid run, and most people liked it.

>>213382149 (OP)
>sees winter soldier
>"wow, you have a metal arm? that's awesome!"
>sees falcon
>"YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT"
raimi what the fuck

>>213386976
Its also the reason he's so Quippy, its one of his ways to release the stress.
And any time he puts on the black suit (not the symbiote) its srs bsns and means someone is getting folded into a pretzel.

>>213382755
If I recall he had the best qualities of the strongest spiders.
There's this one fight between Spider-Man and Wolverine where Spider-Man just keeps throwing him out a window because he knows that Wolverine will survive it. The manlet just happens to not be even close to Spidey when it comes to a fight with the guy.

>>213382865
because it's a gay trash >>213382865
book (written in the 21st century)

>>213385318
he said he was faster, smarter, and stronger. What was the fourth thing?

>>213387285
Like anything Bendis it ended like shit.

>>213383379
haha that very old movie from 93

>>213387285
>Peter now possesses his own company, a doctorate, tools Ock created for him like a spider surveillance system
>dumpsters all of it
Peter hates himself so much it's unreal.

>>213387359
I think that was when they were both on the avengers, and wolverine was talking shit so peter just punched him through unbreakable glass off the 50th floor.
When he stops making jokes its time to duck and cover.

>>213387539
Peter exists to suffer.
I haven't been keeping up with it all, but the new Ultimate Spiderman has been pretty well received. Takes place in an alternate universe where The Maker stops of neutralized as many heroes as possible before they were even created, and when Iron Lad rebels and freezes him in time for two years he goes around trying to rebuild the super heroes of that world.
He goes to find a Peter Parker who was older, married to MJ, and has kids, and gives him the chance to become spider-man. Its been one of the best selling marvel comics in years.
I read the opening books by hickman, but I've just been keeping up with it in the trades, I'll read it once its all done. I really like when comics have a limited scope, and its a self contained story line.
Though Miles is in the new ultimate universe looking for his sister, so part of me wonders if they're not going to kill him off stopping another incursion from happening.

>>213387910
...Are you counting the thing he says before he says he knows "three things"?

>>213388087
my brain read this in a mix of western and japanese format, I went in a Z reading formation somehow

>>213388125
I suspected as much.
Fun Fact, right now in the comics the New Venom is Mary Jane.

>>213388291
Oh are we talking current Spider-Man canon?
Then we gotta remember to post the best character who has done nothing wrong.

Its accepted that Spider-Man, Batman and Superman are given extreme plot armour compared to other superheroes.

>>213389298
Everyone hates paul.
Mary Jane and Paul are looking after Eddie Brock's kid Dylan (who was also venom for a while).
I think the only reason he's still around is because everyone hates him so much they don't want to look like they folded.

plot armor

bucky has a super soldier serum similar to captain america. spidey obviously loses to captain america but beats his equals

>>213387775
Yep that's the one.

>>213389704
>spidey obviously loses to captain america
You sure about that?

>>213382391
What was Jesus doing here?

>>213382149 (OP)
spiderman's actual powers include having the same strength-to-weight ratio as a spider
its canon that spidey pulls his punches super hard otherwise he could vaporize any villain with a single punch

Spider-man 1v1'd Juggernaut
He's immensely strong but hold back because he has a no killing rule (which he broken multiple times.)

>>213390072
He doesn't really have a no-kill rule, like batman, but 99% of the time he doesn't need to, or the villain has some kind of tragic backstory where its not really their fault.

>>213390121
I'd say he has a no-kill rule insomuch as any good person doesn't really want to kill anybody. He's not autistic about it like Batman, though, you're right about that.

>>213390283
Basically the superman rule. He doesn't kill because he usually doesn't have to, and if he does kill, its usually only at the point where the city is going to be leveled, and as a rule, generally avoids murder.

>>213390369
What a pussy

>>213382149 (OP)
Spiderman has always been strong.
Also Tobey's is stronger than MCU.

>>213382386
>>213382149 (OP)
Except he was useless against Thanos. Despite being Marvel equivalent of Superman in terms of strength.

>>213382149 (OP)
yea he's OP nigga lifted up a building

good writing with Spidey is how powerful you wanna make him and how well you can handle a OP character

>>213390369
AKA the Man of Steel method, where he gave Zod more than enough of a chance to not try to kill a bunch of innocent people before finally killing the psychotic bastards.

>>213382149 (OP)
But spiderman IS super agile and super strong and super durable and and and has uh precognition and some other stuff too. Also a top level genius but not from the powers

>>213390471
>Despite being Marvel equivalent of Superman in terms of strength.
Lol wut? Not even remotely close. Thor is Superman tier but still weaker.

>>213382347
and the fact that he canonically always pulls his punches so as not to kill his opponents

>>213390471
>Despite being Marvel equivalent of Superman in terms of strength.
Not even close, he's lightyears away from that level of physical strength

>>213390471
Superman can move the Earth, although it takes all he's got. Spider-Man is pretty strong, but not Hulk level.

the original canon spider-man could crush a brick with his grip strength so he's expose to be strong

granted these days the writers are commie faggots that make him lose everything in his existence

>>213382149 (OP)
Lol he's always been stronger than Cap.
But Cap is a better tactician and overall leader.

>>213385318
>>213387910
>>213388125
You're still right. It's stupid writing that implies he doesn't actually know the thing he said before the "3 things". Wording it like that is awkward and cringey, they shound have just worded it like
>Well, I know I'm faster than you...
>...and smarter...
>...and stronger...

>>213391048
>I'm pushing on earth from outerspace
Where the fuck are you superman? If someone just walked by they'd see you doing a weird fucking handstand in the middle of a corn field grunting really loudly.

>>213391204
he's pushing a mountain peak or sth like that, could be everest

>>213387037
>Besides, super soldier serum doesn't make you mega-strong, it just makes you peak human performance +
Doesn't cap hold down a fucking helicopter in one of the movies?

>>213391323
Are you trying to tell me you DON'T hold down helicopters?
Do you even lift?

>>213389704
Peter has routinely beaten the six flavors of shit out of Cap every time they've come to blows. Cap and Bucky are just a hair above peak human (Bucky just a bit moreso), Spider-Man juggles semitrucks.

>>213390121
>He doesn't really have a no-kill rule, like batman
He actually has an even more aggressive one than Batman's. He outright won't cooperate with heroes and vigilantes who kill (Meanwhile Batman will cooperate with kill-neutral heroes and vigilantes if needed). Spider-Man's no-kill rule is actually so aggressive when Daredevil accidentally killed a guy (No fakeout, he really did just knock a guy back and he broke his neck on a piece of asphalt) the first thing he did was break into Daredevil's house and warn him to retire.

>>213391493
What a pussy

>>213391493
>He outright won't cooperate with heroes and vigilantes who kill
You know, except for all the times he does. He's given the Punisher the same speech every time they team up.
Fuck, venom once gave that speech to the Punisher.

Even Spider-man's jobbers fuck up other Marvel heroes.

>>213391542
His is slightly more logistical than Batman's at least. Marvel heroes are perpetually under some measure of PR crisis and are on thin ice constantly. He made Daredevil retire because Kingpin was running New York City as mayor and would be more than happy to use Daredevil killing people as a way to get taxpayer dollars put directly towards killing heroes and re-igniting the superhero registration. Spider-Man himself struggles to maintain a decent reputation and letting people die under his watch makes it even harder.
If he kills, it makes everyone else's lives much harder because a lot of major Marvel villains have outright infrastructural power (as opposed to DC villains who are usually aliens and psychopaths with little to no non-criminal power or are career heisters who themselves refuse to kill or hut innocents meaning it's a much more clear-cut debate).

>>213391590
>You know, except for all the times he does. He's given the Punisher the same speech every time they team up.
Pretty much every time they do is a forced plot contrivance. There are also multiple times where Spider-Man explicitly targets the Punisher. Frank in particular is a common target of Spider-Man's lashouts over it.

>>213382149 (OP)
Street level was never properly split between peak humans like cap/bucky, and true superhumans like spider-man, luke cage, jessica jones, etc

>>213391727
>How does it feel to be on the other end of someone's murderous rage?
That's the last thing he'd say to Punisher. He literally became the Punisher due to being on the other end of murderous rage. His wife and kid were on that end, too.

>>213382386
this is such stupid anime shit, it's stupid because how many destruction and lives could be saved had he just knock the villains out in one punch

>>213391840
Street level is a terrible term for the power scale since the "street level" heroes of Marvel aren't defined by power, they're defined by personal lives. Luke Cage could turn Iron Fist into a pretzel and can arm wrestle Hulk but he's still just a guy trying to pay rent so engages in superhero "merc work" on the street, that's why he's street level.

>>213391840
There aren't a whole lot of un-powered superheroes in the marvel universe. Tony Stark is pretty much it outside of Nick Fury and shield. Hawkeye?
Pretty sure black widow had diet soviet serum.

>>213391985
>He literally became the Punisher due to being on the other end of murderous rage
Lol no he wasn't. The gangsters who got into a gunfight at that park felt nothing other than recoil, just petty business violence.

>>213392046
Murder's murder. Rage or otherwise, Frank was a victim, that's obvious. And it's not like Frank hadn't inspired murderous rage before Spider-Man tried it out.

>>213392038
Punisher & Falcon come to mind. Elektra too I think.

>>213392099
"Murderous rage" and "Murder for money" are two entirely different things.
Also, Frank didn't care about his family being murdered btw. He just wanted an excuse to start killing again after leaving the military. That's been the canon explanation for a while now (and even then it's just importing Punisher Max's origin to 616).

>>213392176
>"Murderous rage" and "Murder for money" are two entirely different things.
Tell that to Frank lmao

>>213392297
>Tell that to Frank lmao
I don't have to, because he doesn't care. He hated his wife and kids canonically and was happy to let them die. Punisher (2022) if you don't believe me.

>>213392332
>he doesn't care.
This is why nobody buys comics anymore.

>>213392109
>Punisher
I guess I omitted him because it was being discussed.
I just feel like DC has the bigger roster of normal guy with a gimmick beyond batman and the bat family.

>>213392332
>He hated his wife and kids canonically and was happy to let them die.
I'm happy to see comics and capeshit as a whole die if this is what it's reduced to now.

Bucky probly held back a little in that punch.

>>213391706
I've always liked the idea that individually most of Spidey's enemies are such threats that would need a hero team to take down, and then there's Spider-Man who's been doing it by himself for years.

>>213382149 (OP)
>you don't get to be super agile AND strong at the same time
That's literally what spiders are

>>213392016
What?
I'm pretty sure Iron Fist is the stronger one of the two.

>>213392420
>>213392332
You're fucking retarded and mixing up 616 with MAX like every retard ever.

>>213382149 (OP)
He lifts buildings in the comics.

>>213392420
To be fair the punisher was at the middle of a big public kerfuffle at the time with cop gangs using it as a symbol.
So first they changed the punisher logo, then they just decided to write the character out.

He also tanked a radiation injection.

>>213382149 (OP)
He has the strength of a spider.

Another /co/ thread on /tv/ better than on /co/

>>213382634
I too have roughly the strength of a single spider.

I gave up on reading Spiderman back in the day because of how fucked up Peter's life usually is. 16 years later, it's the same miserable shit. About time my boy had it good t-t

>spiderverse slated for 2027
this shit is gonna take a decade to actually conclude

>>213390978
retarded meme that's been overexaggerated to death. yeah he pulls his punches but so does literally every hero who has a no kill rule that also has powers. he's certainly not le holding back when he's fighting Rhino or shit.

>>213393211
for me personally its /v/ threads of /tv/ because that board is captured by the tranny menace.

>>213392016
Most people just use "street level" to say a hero that typically operates on the street by these terms. Technically Flash is street level even though he would low diff every Marvel or DC street level.

>>213382634
What about Hercules?

>>213391727
>Marvel heroes are perpetually under some measure of PR crisis and are on thin ice constantly.
Eh, there's plenty of Spider-Man's villains that don't have any infrastructural power and it's not as if Batman is always a beloved figure, and there's plenty of DC villains who do. Lex Luthor became President before Norman did. The reason they have no-kill rules is the exact same, because comic writers don't want to get rid of their long standing characters.

>>213385318
>>213387910
>>213391201
You are autistc

>>213387432
Bendis was completely uninvolved in Superior Spider-Man.

>>213382386
I hate this panel so fucking much because now "LE SPIDER-MAN HOLDS BACK GUYS" is as bad as Batman prep time wank at this point. Yes, he holds back but not this fucking hard. He's certainly gotten shit on numerous times when he's been giving it his all.

>>213393617
I also hated when they pull this shit in marvel zombies with sandman

>>213391590
>except for all the times he does.
Like?

>>213393400
>he's certainly not le holding back when he's fighting Rhino
Yes, he is

>>213393657
it's the dumbes shit because literally every hero with super strength who doesn't kill holds back. Superman holds back, Luke Cage holds back, The Thing holds back, She-Hulk holds back, but now because of this stupid panel every time Spider-Man comes up one of his fans will rush to explain to you how hard Peter holds back, as if all the numerous times he's been shit on while fighting for his life he was only using an ounce of his power, and they will always, always without fail, bring up Doc Ock punching off Scorpion's jaw. It's legitimately worse than Batfags with prep time at this point.

>>213392038
Shang Chi. Colleen Wing and Misty Knight (she has a bionic arm). US Agent. Star-Lord.
By the Tony Stark definition, Nova is unpowered.

>>213392109
Falcon is a mutant who communicates with birds.

>>213393757
No he isn't, Rhino is easily much stronger than him. Rhino can take a few punches from the Hulk. He's not trying to kill him, like 99% of superheroes aren't trying to kill their opponent, but he is not holding back to any significant degree when he's full on fighting for his life against him, anymore than than any other character with super strength is "holding back" fighting one of their super durable enemies.

>>213393047
>big public kerfuffle
Nah.

>>213382149 (OP)
Spidey has canonically curbstomped the fuck out of a Herald of Galactus.

>>213393840
>Rhino can take a few punches from the Hulk
Wait, seriously?
OK OK maybe I've been sleeping on Rhino

>>213393880
he had the symbiote, but desu it's a massive outlier feat and isn't really true at all to how he's consistently portrayed. It's like Black Panther holding the Silver Surfer in an armlock, just random dumb plot shit.

>>213393945
Hulk's powerlevel is all over the place, on the right day Mr Hyde can tank the Hulk.

>>213382149 (OP)
What always bothered me about the MCU is how weak they made Asgardians and Hulk. Iron Man, Cap and Spiderman all feel comparable to their comic book counterparts in terms of power. But Asgardians Gods just feel like a bunch of weak losers. Only Thor and Hela feel strong enough to be called a God. Loki definitely doesn't, I'm pretty sure that even MCU Cap can beat him up in a fight and he has zero magic outside of making a few clones of himself. Meanwhile in the comic books he mogs Scarlet Witch and Dr Strange in terms of magical ability and is physically strong enough to no sell heroes like Spiderman or Iron Man punching him, which is obvious because he can survive hits from Thor going all out. Hulk is also a huge loser, he's supposed to be the strongest, but all he's ever done is get beaten up by Iron Manlet, get beaten up by Thor, get buck broken by Thanos, and then got emasculated and turned into a literal redditor, and also beaten up some more including by Dr. Strange's bald slut master.

>>213393970
oh yeah I forgot how hulk's powers work
well still, it's cool that rhino is stronger than I thought
recent spiderman media has made him into kind of a joke

>>213393945
Yes, he's obviously not Hulk level, Hulk would win without much difficulty but Rhino is several times stronger and more durable than Spider-Man. He's definitely not pulling his punches against him. Scorpion's powers come from the suit and Doc Ock punched him in an area unprotected by the suit.