Thread 213394279

I know who Ayn Rand is, but I don't get it

>>213394279 (OP)
>jewish showrunners promoting jewish authors
Nepotism and a trust fund is band or something.

Wanting a pacifier = wanting to be breastfed = wanting to be a leech on society

ayn rand's ideas only find fertile soil in immature minds

>>213394279 (OP)
The joke is Ayn Rand writes books intended for adults (nevermind whether she succeeds; that isn't the joke) so it's funnily ironic that there'd be an Ayn Rand themed school for little kids.
It's not that complicated. Could've been called the Hunter S. Thompson school for tots, or the Thomas Harris School for Tots and be exactly the same joke.

>>213394532
I think she’s neat

>>213394279 (OP)
Capitalism is LE bad and communism is LE good

>>213394567
Probably the best answer.

>>213394279 (OP)
>Objectivism emphasizes the importance of individual rights and freedom. It opposes collectivism and any form of government intervention that infringes on individual liberty
Okay so what’s wrong with this?

>>213394567
I know who Hunter S. Thompson is, but I don't get what the joke would be for him either

>>213394612
He doesn't write childrens' books.

>>213394600
>Your first priority is your own self-interest
This really made millennials lose their minds?

>>213394600
libertarian-protesting-on-street-corner syndrome

>>213394631
>School for Tots
>He doesn't write childrens' books.
How does that make sense?

>>213394699
it doesn't, the actual joke went over their heads and they are banging words together like monkeys trying to figure out what the joke was

>>213394699
That's the irony. If it said something like Dr. Seuss's School for Tots it would make sense, but it wouldn't be funny.

>>213394612
That whole segment on that episode was a parody of The Fountainhead. It made sense to start it an aptly titled school for babies because it's about Maggie. The novel concerns innovation, intellectual property, and making shit go BOOM.
https://youtu.be/AX4MKIDvXLM

>>213394600
Yes. And she is from Eastern Europe and dealt with Communism first hand. Experiencing the failures of collectivism first hand she went in the opposite direction

>>213394600
Me importing all the indian labor I want should not be constrained

>>213394600
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_action_problem

because the selfish autistic bitch would not do something selfless like teach children anything (unless they were her slaves or something)

>>213394725
>Joke doesn't make sense
>Um, actually, they were being ironic!
Media literacy is dead

>>213394600
Because how these things play out is not so simple as the principle espoused. She may as well have said
>Just be good to other people
And retards like you would go
>What's the problem with this? Just makes sense!
Because you are incapable of higher order reasoning

>>213394600
>>213394743

She was a turbo-jew that was on welfare for the last portion of her life.

>>213394325
Once you're aware of the j problem, rewatching old simpsons episodes is hard.
The constant one-sided political commentary and anti-christian stuff is really on the nose.

>>213394600
Libertarianism is a sociopolitical dead end

>>213395142
Dude that's crazy. Next you're gonna tell me something even more shocking like MASH being a thinly veiled metaphor for Vietnam.

>>213395176
Any other system is cucked

>>213395142
Disagree with you on the Simpsons part. I explicitly remember Marge saying she wants to be a better Christian, their routine of going to church, and their evenness in making fun of politics (spendo-crat Mayor Quimby, Republican party being evil).
I will agree with you that it became tainted and subverted over time, but the old episodes weren't jewed yet. Maybe they caused season 9 to be the end of the golden era?

>>213394600
If you want to be ruled by people like elon musk, then go ahead but don't drag me along.

>>213395418
>I want corpos to step on my balls 24/7
>this isn't cucked at all
sure, sure

>>213396233
Nah, Rand believed strongly in meritocracy, a simpleton like Musk who's only doing well because he had the right parents and the right friends wouldn't have her blessing.

Rand's philosophy was unrealistic and in some ways quite cruel but it was opposed to nepotism and cronyism, which are what modern capitalism entirely runs on.

>>213394570
not unless you've got autism or retardation

>>213394600
"opposing collectivism" is a ridiculous idea because all human creation is collectivist. the moment you pick up a manufactured tool, or eat food harvested by the hand of another, you are collaborating. we all stand on the shoulders of the humans who've come before us; nobody is alone on this earth.

>>213396262
If the government didn't play favorites with corporations with it's 55% taxation spending, they would never get as big as they do. The competition would be too fierce. And the beneficiary would be the public who would get lower prices and higher wages. Assuming corporations are some kind of free market thing ignores the power of the current bureaucracy

>>213396491
You win the "gayest post on 4chan" award.

>>213396550
anon is right, child

>>213394279 (OP)
The kindergarten had a policy of letting the kids fend for themselves, a Randian principle.

>>213396491
there's a significant rift between 'collective' participation and 'collaborative' participation

>>213396669
rationalization

>>213394279 (OP)
literally 2 seconds of google
>The workings of the school are modeled after the philosophies of Ayn Rand. Posters referring to Rand's ideas are hung throughout the nursery, including "A is A" and "Helping is Futile."
>Also, because the school encourages toddlers "to develop the bottle within," pacifiers are banned, and are in fact swiftly confiscated if the babies bring them in.

Ayn Band

>>213397231
This anon rocks.

How does an exterior wall corner like this work?

>>213394532
Marxism, another Jewish mind virus, is much the same.

>>213398317
this cartoon is less than 100% accurate.

>>213394279 (OP)
Ayn Rand practiced a philosophy of Objectivism that states all altruistic behaviour is immoral.
Basically your only duty in life is strictly to yourself, and by being charitable or generous to others we fail in that moral duty. She even argued that the problems in society were caused by this generosity, since if everyone was either sinking or swimming on their own merit, the unsuccessful wouldn't live long enough to cause issues.
The joke is that someone admittedly selfish as that would NEVER engage in any level of philanthropy, let alone open a school for needy children.

>>213394600
Modern 4chan is overrun by right-wingers who despise libertarianism. They think themselves red-pilled while in reality being oversocialized normies dragged into mainstream American bipartisan politics.

>>213394279 (OP)
Dr John Moneys gender clinic for gentile boys

>>213394600
Libertarians are like house cats. Insistent on independence as a virtue due to being convinced they are truly capable of taking care of themselves, only to scream piss and moan the second they want something they can’t have

>>213394570
this. i like her. i like her books. i like her nonfiction too.
We The Living is one of the best books in the American canon. everyone talks about Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, but We The Living was the last book by her I read and it was astonishing. It's the closest to an autobiography we'll ever get.
captcha Mr. God

>>213394743
She was one of the first women to graduate from university in the USSR after they opened up the schools to women after the revolution, then she went on vacation to Chicago and overstayed her visa to move to Hollywood and become a screenwriter, lol. She was a total fugazi and was able to sell her bullshit ideology to stupid Americans.

>>213398183
>>213397231
OIAMLAFFIN.EXE(2011)

>>213394600
Cool it with the anti-semitic remarks.

>>213396491
i paid for that tool. i paid for that food.
in a collestivist society, you don't have private property, and i can come into your house and eat if i'm hungry. if my toilet is backed up, i'll shit in yours, and since you're not doing anything, maybe you can go unclog my toilet.
socialists always claim to love this shit but they tend to be the most comfortable people on earth. imagine that. i hear that klaus guy isn't poor at all. why isn't he dropping planeloads of money on people?

The vibe shift is crazy, this new politician could seriously change things for the better.
I really believe that

>>213396782
>A is A
notice how trannies insist they are something they are not. you can say it's a simple philosophy, and it is. but people still need to hear it because certain people are saying "A does not equal A" and gullible idiots believe them.
fucking Ditko man. he had to die in this clown world.

>>213394279 (OP)
Adolf Hitler school for lil jews.

>>213394279 (OP)
NANETTE SCHOOL FOR MIN

>>213394725
But she wrote about children and the failure of the education system

>>213398853
This is the caricaturized version of Ayn Rand. Yes, altruistic behaviour is, according to her, immoral, but it's immoral because it's dishonest. It's used as an excuse to extort the successful. Behaviour that is prosocial, such as opening a school for needy children, can, in Ayn Rand's view, be done for selfish reasons, and her point is that anyone who says they're doing it for selfless reasons is a liar who is trying to get a foothold of some kind to plunder successful people. Try actually reading what she wrote before informing other people on her views instead of getting your understanding from polemics against her and acting like an expert, retard.

>>213394862
Is the welfare part supposed to be an own?

>>213399320
>Try actually reading what she wrote before informing other people on her views instead of getting your understanding from polemics against her and acting like an expert, retard.
critics of ayn rand will never take her ideas seriously, if they bother to read her at all. that's why they always attack her personally, usually in a casual smear. since she's dead, it's easy to mock her. no one will come to her defense.

>>213394600
Because all economic, political and societal philosophies exist in a theoretical vacuum that makes them infinitely far less complex than they actually are in practice.

>>213394567
The only remotely correct answer. You autismos over analyze way too much

The joke is there were no kids in ayn rand novels and therefore raising kids is some sort of obvious blind spot to her philosophy

Only a woman could invent a philosophy where altruism is seen as evil and all interactions must have an immediate tangible benefit for you.

>>213399792
She was kinda hot when she was young.

>>213394279 (OP)
well, you see, right wingers are... le bad

>>213394279 (OP)
ToT

>>213399908
This is just the setup shot. That's not the joke and she did write about children.

>>213394567
I'm glad most people didn't fall for this bait.

>>213394600
Nothing.

>>213400060
she was a fox and would fuck you like a succubus. there's a reason her husband never divorced her, even after she had an extremely well-known affair of many years.

>>213399908
i believe there is a child in We the Living.
many, many novels do not have children. children are not very interesting. they're kind of stupid.

>>213400060
kek

>>213395761
>evenness in making fun of politics
The Simpsons were NEVER even in how they made fun of the two political parties. The worst criticism they level against the Democrats is that they're well meaning but incompetent at their worst, while the Republicans are always shown as the literal devil in all their appearences.
Best exemplified in the episode with Stampy. He stampedes through both the DNC and the RNC, and the former is merely presented as powerless but well intentioned, while the later is about how the Republicans want the worst for everyone.

>>213394600
Right but that's not even really an accurate picture of her philosophy. She made all kinds of claims that are core to the ideology. She wasn't well read and basically rephrased some Aristotle and Nietzsche, without knowing that the stuff she was lifting had already been responded to in a larger historical conversation. I'm not saying its false exactly but imho her final write-up is fucking weak. Her epistemology was baby-level and the "a is a" stuff was similarly undercooked.
It's not that someone is a retard for taking all that as being axiomatic, its just that nobody could possibly cling to her summaries of it if theyd ever read what the big boys said in a larger context.
Objectivism also collapsed under all the predictable conditions of a personality cult. It's a very ironic history. So called arch rationalists wind up in a cult hahaha....

>>213394600
In theory, nothing is wrong with it
But in practice, the people who want to be left alone will always end up subdued by the people who want to stick their noses into your lives
So politically libertarianism loses every time

>>213400324
>She wasn't well read
lol what do you base this off of? why would you even assume it, except to smear her? it seems quite obvious she was well-read. moreover she wrote many books and countless newsletters. she existed in a time when people still considered books seriously, made an effort to read them for their literary value. one does not become a woman of words without having read a great deal of them.
Much of later (post-Socratic, post-Aristotelian) philosophy is fart-huffing, which is why she focused on a philosophy of LIVING from axiomatic first principles. this is really not so different from Aristotelian virtue ethics: be who you want to be.

>>213400492
the people who want to be left alone don't vote
the people who want to control your life, vote.

>>213394600
it ends in our individual rights and freedoms being stripped away by corporations instead.

Baskin Band's School for Rock.

>>213400794
That's now how it worked in her books. Have you read a word of Ayn Rand in your life?

Maggie's at day care... Marge is rehearsing... Homer is passed out from drinking... Bart and Lisa, unsupervised, are like https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/213212197/#p213213827

>>213394842
so it's "communism is a perfect system - on paper!" for libertarians

Libtards seethe at Rand that's pretty much the joke

>>213400777
Checked
No, sometimes libertarians vote but they never have the stomach to roll back structural issues
Like a country drowning in squatemalans who came here for gibs will never leave libertarians alone
Someone needs to pay for the tacos and quinceanera parties
But libertarians won’t vote for these “people” who don’t belong here in the first place, to fuck off home. Even if it makes libertarianism impossible

>>213394570
She was a NEET

>>213394600
Rand assumed the economic system and government must mirror each other because that's how it worked in the Communism she came from.

>>213394600
Because the only reason a retard like you can read and write in the first place is because the schools you went to were funded by the so called 'collectivism'.

>>213398341
>Most of the Bolsheviks were recruited when they were in the army
???
I think you're just seething anon

>>213401133
yeah, i mean i think it depends on the libertarian, i'm not fond of immigration, legal or otherwise. really hated the biden years. i would prefer a more racial homogenous society. we can't deport people because they're a different race. america is multicultural. but we should deport the ones who don't belong here, absolutely. 100%, breaking immigration law is grossly unfair to legal immigrants so they should be ejected immediately.
reason.com is emblematic of the wrong kind of thinking on immigration. they want taco trucks and brown people doing the janitor work, and not asking for "cost of living" wages to do it.

>>213399169
>i paid for that tool.
It was provided by the company and therefore is not your property, parasite
>muh collectivists don't have doors on their houses
They clearly do and being a retarded drifter isn't popular there. People can still tell you to fuck off

>>213401232
My parents taught me to read and write long before I got shoved into school (where I quickly learned to hate reading and writing)

>>213401328
no, if you want to go full collectivist then your house is now seinfeld's. i will just walk in without knocking and start raiding your fridge. you wanted socialism, you're gonna get it good and hard.
we're all in this together, comrade.

>>213400216
>while the later is about how the Republicans want the worst for everyone.
If you guys are sick of this joke then you should try not to prove everyone else right with every word and deed.

>>213394600
>>213394597
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>>213394567
>>213394532
>>213394338
Sneed

>>213401365
>no, if you want to go full collectivist then your house is now seinfeld's.
Never happened
>i will just walk in without knocking and start raiding your fridge.
You'll get a knife in the back the instant you touch my eggs you fuck
>you wanted socialism, you're gonna get it good and hard.
Socialism doesn't entail a complete suspension of all forms of privacy and social boundaries. Never has and never will
>we're all in this together, comrade
You're no comrade to anyone but the man who fucks your wife

>>213394600
Your petulant individualism has only contributed to your race failures. It is lax and moronic.

>>213394532
>ayn rand's ideas only find fertile soil in immature minds
Anyone who admits to getting their philosophy from the mind of a woman is someone who legally you do not have to respect.
I don't make the rules.

>>213394600
The modern "adult" is a manchild who considers the state a replacement for his parents.

>>213401433
>Socialism doesn't entail a complete suspension of all forms of privacy and social boundaries. Never has and never will
go read We the Living. you might be able to find a free version on archival sites.

>>213401474
Libertarianism goes beyond Ayn Rand.
Hell, libertarianism is probably the least appealing ideology for women, since its an ideal about being your own man, and not relying on useless parasites like politicians.

>>213400657
Right the fart huffing 2300 years since Athens ahahaha. Like descartes and Nietzsche are fart fags I only read AYN RAND ahahahahah

>>213401566
Like I said I don't make the rules hole. Agreeing with a woman on matters of state is akin to becoming one.

>>213401754
Does that mean you will love trannies since JK Rowling hates them?

>>213401754
Did you know the split between male and female votes for Trump was close to 50%?
And besides, libertarianism is the principle the USA was founded on.
America was never meant to have a government.

>>213401566
Libertarians are all fags

>>213395176
This sounded better in your head, what does it mean?

>>213401798
Says the tax payer who has reduced politics to sucking off politicians and fighting over dumbass superhero movies for kids.
Sorry that I'm my own man and don't feel line falling for the scam of statism.

>>213394338
Replace "society" with "women" and you got modern feminist ideology.
For real its just Rands Objectivism but made exclusive for females.

>>213401692
when you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back into you.

>>213401433
>my eggs
I'm hungry so they're mine now

>>213396575
this is the answer. all the other stuff in this thread is wrong, which is amazingly retarded even for 4chan.

>be republican
>vote for Trump
>end up fighting for Israel
>be democrat
>vote for Biden
>end up fighting for Israel

>both will keep voting for their respective parties anyway
Statism is ideological cuckoldry.

>>213401882
who is even fighting for israel?

>>213401934
American tax money.

>>213394532
spbp

>>213401938
if we ended US subsidies, would you support a continued alliance with the State of Israel?

>>213401838
And now you're dead and I'm cooking your liver with some onions while the children laugh at your deformed face

>>213401541
>Go read a fiction book to see how things really went down
lol
lmao
read another, better author.

>>213399320
I've never met anyone who wanted to climb up Ayn Rand's ass who wasn't either a California technocrat with transgender children, or a broke ass lolbertarian, larping a crypto millionaire lifestyle while sitting unemployed in his grandma's trailer home.
Which are you nigger?

>>213402085
>a fictional story of an actual place and time in history, by someone who lived it. the heroine is a woman of similar age and temperament to rand, who wants to "go abroad". she often writes a version of herself into her novels; it is not unreasonable to see this first novel and a semibiographical retelling of things she saw and heard.
this thread is about Ayn Rand so i will focus on her work as i consider it extremely compelling and moving.

>>213402013
No, eliminate all taxes or bust.

>>213402219
ok but if we do that can we remain allies?
also how do we fund govt?

>>213402245
No.

>also how do we fund govt?
How about politicians get a job?

>>213394567
This is the level of stupidity I share a board with
I can't fucking believe it, too stupid to get a Simpsons joke
And people fucking backing you up, in fucking flabbergasted
Jon Lovitz straight says the babies are leeches like five seconds after this sign gag
I'm fucking astonished at how stupid you faggots are

>>213394279 (OP)
Ayn Rand's Feed and Seed (Formerly Marx's)

>>213396233
Like you have a fucking choice

>>213402321
look i think we can safely throw out all the federal govt rules that aren't in the bill of rights and the constitution, but we need the govt to form a quorum and do that first. then they agree that the executive and congress do not have the power to write new federal laws. then congress must dissolve or dismantle both the house and the senate. the executive remains to carry out his diplomatic duties, but he does not issue "executive orders" anymore. he is only concerned with diplomacy, the courts, and command of the military. the states will govern their constituents, which means they will need to be legislating bodies and so we'll have 50 laboratories of innovation instead of one huge leviathan crushing everything.
it would be glorious.

>>213396491
This is accurate and anybody who says otherwise is retarded. Literally posting on a website somebody else made you fucking retards

>>213394600
Dumbasses who are stuck in the invisible cage of government brainwashing, control, and perpetual childhood of needing a "protector" think they have cracked the code of libertarianism because they ask "who will pave le roads?" and then sit back all smug in their chair... right before they hastily file their taxes out of fear of being reprimanded by Daddy Gubmint and euphoria at the prospect of getting some free gibs.

>>213396491
>he posted "haha but you participate in society! Curious!" in word form, unironically
Holy shit people on this board are this retarded huh?

>>213402138
I don't think believing someone's views should be represented accurately when talking about them is crawling up their ass but I do think that's it's sad that you think that and you're the kind of cretin who has no love of truth whatsoever that Ayn Rand warned about.

>>213396782
Thank you for actually answering the question. This place is a cesspool

>>213402574
You would starve to death in a week without someone else feeding you you fucking parasite

>>213394600
but if you don't collectivize, how do you expect to impose your will on society? It's like wanting to become a good swimmer by amputating your arms and legs.

Baskin Band's School for Rock.

>>213394743
Atlas Shrugged ends with a commune where everyone shares their individual labour. The only difference from a communist commune is that they pretend to pay each other by exchanging symbolic numbers of gold coins that they all have so many of that there's no point to them. Borrowing your neighbour's car? That's verboten. "Renting" the car for one gold coin, which both of you have thousands of and have no use for except in these little rituals? That's great!

>>213402789
sorry for baskin rockin' (2011)

>>213402871
might as well keep people honest in the commune. a token system is one such way, no one will be able to take advantage without spending all their tokens. we could do it with a blockchain to make it totally transparent.

>>213400166
Her husband walked around with a fucking bell on so he wouldn't startle her and trigger her rape PTSD outside the moments when she wanted to do rapeplay. He was just a weak cuck.

Ayn Rand is a vile cunt, not worth reading or remembering.

>>213402757
And people would wind up in jail without me providing the legal services I do, which they pay me for, which I then use to buy food. You fucking blithering moron.

>inb4 "AHA! You wouldn't have a job if the government didn't exist to create criminal laws!"

There will always be some form of dispute resolution system or a system to deal with crimes of a moral or societal nature, without a central government. For which at the very least professional advocates would be needed, if not full blown lawyers.

>>213403062
That's a very personal attack. A much better avenue is to simply have people read Atlas Shrugged after they've read genuinely good authors and then they'll learn what a fucking terrible writer she was. She can be safely ignored because of that. The chapter where she creates a cigarette salesman just to write a speech about how being addicted to smoking isn't actually a weakness but an example of human ingenuity and a thinking mind because Muh Prometheus Stealing Fire is eye opening on its own. The rationalisation of a weak mind.

The fact that some college-aged people read that book and end up with it being their favourite book of all time truly boggles my mind. What kind of dreck were they reading before if all those hamfisted characters and endless monologues reiterating the same points makes for a good book in their world??

>>213402871
It only sounds like a nuance but the act of giving each other actual money instead of people just doing favours for each other means that the most valuable contributions will be rewarded and that nobody will ever slack off and just take shit for free.

You can still give stuff away for free but it's a personal choice, not a legal requirement

>>213403242
You're literally agreeing with me YOU FUCKING MORON

>>213394567
>Hunter S. Thompson school for tots
I would send my kids there.

There are many valid criticism of Ayn Rand but also many critics that can be dismissed because they can't even hide that they're seething unironic tankies and the Soviet Union totally would have worked if the CIA hadn't sabotaged it (the famines were fake!)

Even ITT there's one autist who's seriously arguing that all human life is inherently Marxist, and a real lack of people mocking his retardation

>>213403358
>will be rewarded
Rewarded in completely worthless gold, because no matter how much Ayn tries to make it into a thing gold coins have nothing but symbolic value to a commune like that and gold coins carry no intrinsic worth that seashells do not. A proper system would have been to go back to bartering. Renting your car out in exchange for five chicken eggs, or selling tickets to your opera performance in exchange for enough food to last you through the year. Not sure what services the banker is even supposed to provide except loaning out the stuff he bought with his money before the world collapsed.

All of the people in the commune have already proven that they're willing to pick and choose who's a slacker that deserves to die in the wastes outside their gulch (Dagny's secretary was the guy actually running her companies yet he doesn't get an invite because Dagny's a self-centered nepo cunt), so why need the whole gold coins system? They'd be perfectly fine just deciding that a guy has become a moocher and needs to die because they already passed that judgement on the entire fucking world.

>>213403261
Spotted the Collectivist Mediocrity

>>213403552
Late capitalist cope

>>213403578
do you really expect anyone to read all that shit

>>213403644
>do you really expect anyone to read all that shit
Don't bother it's just some subhhuman pretending that everything he does is perfect while everyone around him is the problem. Retard there thinks it's an example of why collectivism is a terrible thing when it's really a good example of why some people need the collective to beat reality into them or them out of reality.

>>213403726
LOL
You seething bitch

>>213403757
Gotcha in one did I?

>>213403726
It's an undeniable fact that weak people act very friendly precisely because they have to because they're weak and depend on the group but they may harbour deep resentments that they express through sabotague. Strong people don't depend on the group in the same way so they're never in this situation of pretending to be friendly while inwardly seething. What part of that are you disagreeing with? Oh yes, nothing - you'll just handwave it away because the logic is irrefutable and you're just an emotional copium addict.

>>213403801
>It's an undeniable fact
no it isn't

>>213403801
>It's an undeniable fact that weak people act very friendly precisely because they have to because they're weak and depend on the group but they may harbour deep resentments that they express through sabotague. Strong people don't depend on the group in the same way so they're never in this situation of pretending to be friendly while inwardly seething. What part of that are you disagreeing with? Oh yes, nothing - you'll just handwave it away because the logic is irrefutable and you're just an emotional copium addict.
Strange I don't remember strong people needing to put down others for the sake of their own egos, that seems to be a need of an insecure genetic deadend.
Odd isn't it?

>>213402678
Ye bro. Ayn Rand was warning you about me specifically. Like she wrote in the fountainhead.
>One day, in the not to distant future, you'll be trying to jerk me off in a barely on topic thread on a television and movie forum of a gay anime website. And people will post replies to you insisting on tonguing my shrivelled Russian asshole in each post, calling you a cringe faggot and a nigger. Heed my warning faggot-kun, you must not weep or cry into your cumsock, you are not cringe. You are based. Just like the bad guy in your favourite game BioShock. And you will know the touch of a woman one day. And that woman will be like me. And you will make sweet objectivist love on your unwashed bedsheets, like two young lovers spirited away on their own unwarranted self importance. Like in that movie I wrote about a skyscraper, which is a job I got entirely on my own merit, and not because I was sucking off the producer.
>Don't think about me inhaling that jew cock right now. Save you precious seed, for your objectivist girlfriend, who definitely exists outside the realm of your most pathetic fantasies. You will meet her, and never look like a retard on /tv/ again.
>And it will be the pinnacle achievement of Objectivist philosophy!

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>>213403864
Weak people depend on the group for survival so they cannot express their disagreement or resentment through any means except secret ones. Strong people do not depend on the group so have a broad range of actions available to them, such as walking away. What's the flaw? Stop acting like bitches and answer a straight question with a straight answer.

Reminder that when /lit/ was first created they had to ban any mention of Ayn Rand because no woman has ever caused so much seething until JK Rowling.

>>213403935
>you're the kind of cretin
>Ye bro. Ayn Rand was warning you about me specifically
Why do faggots have to misrepresent things? Literally just be honest.

>>213403937
>Weak people depend on the group for survival so they cannot express their disagreement or resentment through any means except secret ones. Strong people do not depend on the group so have a broad range of actions available to them, such as walking away. What's the flaw? Stop acting like bitches and answer a straight question with a straight answer.
Groups depend on cohesion for survival and disagreements are common and expected, otherwise we'd've never formed society.
Strong people are strong because of internal principles which most objectivists have none of aside from benefit to self.
Utilitarians and Objectivsts equally have the most use as fertilizer to enhance the lives of the society at a macro scale.

Rand is easy to understand once you learn she was born into a 1% family in pre-revolution Russia, had a handful of “hard” years attending university in communist St. Petersburg, then moved to the US and ran exclusively in hollywood & academic elite circles where everyone would get high on their own flatulence and commit adultery. She had no value system and no understanding of what a real person experiences, and it was topped off with a healthy dollop of woman logic.
>hmm I don’t like being around these poors, they smell and they’re always asking for free stuff
>what could possibly cure this ill of society?
>I know! Get rid of all the poor people, that way we’ll only have rich, successful, and therefore morally good people!
And thanks to her classical education she can wrap that up in lots of pretty words and stretch it for 800 pages but it always boils down to the same braindead garbage. The fact Rand is assigned reading in high school is nothing short of a crime against children.

>>213404039
Let's try again. I know that straight answers are very difficult for you but I feel like we're nearing a breakthrough here. A strong person who does not depend on a group for survival can express their disagreements and resentments more freely than a weak person who does depend on the group for survival. True or false? No, not word salad rubbish and personal attacks. Weak people take a bigger risk expressing disagreements and resentments than strong people take. Is that statement true or false?

>>213394600
Play bioshock

>>213404167
>Let's try again. I know that straight answers are very difficult for you but I feel like we're nearing a breakthrough here. A strong person who does not depend on a group for survival can express their disagreements and resentments more freely than a weak person who does depend on the group for survival. True or false? No, not word salad rubbish and personal attacks. Weak people take a bigger risk expressing disagreements and resentments than strong people take. Is that statement true or false?
Unequivocally false. You're here disagreeing with me aren't you?

>>213394600
You can't be an individualist and still believe in morals, rights, or capitalism because they all impose limits on personal autonomy.

>>213404208
There's no further argument possible because you cannot accept perfectly agreeable premises. So, it's just personal attacks. Somewhere deep in your ugly twisted mutant heart you know that your aversion to Ayn Rand is performative and dishonest, a way of signalling that you're a good guy in your sad hope that you'll be rewarded for obedience, that your refusal to acknowledge strength and superiority will, you dream, disguise your weakness and inferiority. You'll take cheap shots in the dark at your betters. Fortunately for me, the only people scum like you can ever hurt are people stupid enough to fall for your fakeness, who cannot detect your plasticity, and so you'll destroy the stupidity and malice of your own wretchedness. It's a problem that solves itself.

>>213404167
Who are these “strong people” who don’t depend on anyone else for survival?
Hermits who live in makeshift shacks in the woods?
Even Uncle Ted relied on the Postal Service.

>>213404363
>There's no further argument possible because you cannot accept perfectly agreeable premises. So, it's just personal attacks. Somewhere deep in your ugly twisted mutant heart you know that your aversion to Ayn Rand is performative and dishonest, a way of signalling that you're a good guy in your sad hope that you'll be rewarded for obedience, that your refusal to acknowledge strength and superiority will, you dream, disguise your weakness and inferiority. You'll take cheap shots in the dark at your betters. Fortunately for me, the only people scum like you can ever hurt are people stupid enough to fall for your fakeness, who cannot detect your plasticity, and so you'll destroy the stupidity and malice of your own wretchedness. It's a problem that solves itself.
Uh huh. As always objectivists are weak minded blathers that hold no real principle besides the idea that they are correct. The reason no one engages with you is because you prove to say extremely little of value attempting to couch everything in a passive aggressive hodgepodge of ideas so that you cannot be nailed to the cross you pretend to bear.

>>213403937
Humans have been pack animals since we stopped being monkeys. It's what made us successful. It was NEVER the strong who thought they could just walk away from the pack and be as successful on their own, that was the work of delusional weak people who couldn't hack it in society and thought they'd flourish if only they were free from the people buoying them up. The types who go off to starve in the woods even today, blinded by their own self-worth into thinking they can do everything on their own.

>>213403984
Say what you want about Rowling's writing, at least she doesn't actually think she's a philosopher imparting important philosophical knowledge to the masses.

>>213404368
Just think of any two people that you know and it shouldn't be that difficult to determine which one is stronger and which one is weaker and how this plays out in the dynamics of their relationships with the people around them, but you're not interested in that discovery because of what it'd reveal to you about yourself.

>>213404525
>Just think of any two people that you know and it shouldn't be that difficult to determine which one is stronger and which one is weaker and how this plays out in the dynamics of their relationships with the people around them, but you're not interested in that discovery because of what it'd reveal to you about yourself.
And this is why I said that anyone who gets their moral philosophy from the mind of a cunt is at heart a woman. Your beliefs are equal to how women choose their mates in their primal state. Consider that and understand why you're pathetic.

>>213404067
>she can wrap that up in lots of pretty words
Her books did not have a lot of pretty words. I think that's part of their success among kids who have never been big readers, leading to the retarded adults who reread her books once a year instead of reading something new, because they're written on a level that's easily digestible for kids but seem to impart important adult ideas.

Also you forgot the part where she got raped by some commies and so made up her rape fetish cope about "I want to be taken by a man who doesn't ask for permission because that's a strong man, so really I'm not weak and giving myself up to a rapist but being taken by a true Objectivist Hero."

>>213404472
Since we're such pack animals, it must astonish the retarded collectivist that there are so many diverse nations with histories of smaller groups breaking away from larger groups led by dissatisfied strong leaders.

>>213404660
>Since we're such pack animals, it must astonish the retarded collectivist that there are so many diverse nations with histories of smaller groups breaking away from larger groups led by dissatisfied strong leaders.
And since were such strong individualists it must astonish your pea brain when you realize that history is filled with more examples of large groups subsuming smaller groups extremely easily due to their fragility.

>>213404660
So when you talked about weak and strong people you actually meant a group of people splitting off to create their own tribe? If so you're terrible at communicating.

>>213404605
On any study done, men cluster around individualism and women cluster around collectivism precisely because men are stronger than women. You know that's the case just as you know everything else that's been said to you but you're a freak who hates the truth.

>>213404712
>On any study done, men cluster around individualism and women cluster around collectivism precisely because men are stronger than women. You know that's the case just as you know everything else that's been said to you but you're a freak who hates the truth.
High testosterone men (really young men) often think they're invincible indeed. Strange that you don't look at the studies a whole and what those variables may mean fembrain.

>>213404697
In the question given, it was about logical principles, you retard, not empirical realities. Did it really need explaining that there is no pure ideal of a strong person who depends on nobody or nothing whatsoever? Jesus wept.

>>213404660
Why on earth would a collectivist be surprised about a group of people banding together to get their own ideas heard or splintering off into their own collective??

>>213404741
So, men in their early 20s, which is when a man's testosterone peaks, cluster around individualism, and frequently, that's when men leave the security of the group they come from to explore, but somehow, in your truth-hating mutant heart those men are professing the ideology of females?

>>213404812
>So, men in their early 20s, which is when a man's testosterone peaks, cluster around individualism, and frequently, that's when men leave the security of the group they come from to explore, but somehow, in your truth-hating mutant heart those men are professing the ideology of females?
No I said you are, most males go out to seek their place in society but only some incredibly weak minded males get their philosophy about society from a cunt.
Most men realize that society is bigger than they are and that it cannot feasibly be discarded because they aren't as myopic as a dumb reactionary cunt.

>>213404812
>that's when men leave the security of the group they come from to explore
No, that's when men leave their group to go have babies with another group's women, because that lead to healthier offspring than staying around and having inbred babies. They didn't just go off on their lonesome and the great explorations came from society pushing young men into finding new lands to enrich the tribe, not the urges of the young men. There's no individualism in going off to join the tribe in the next valley over!

>>213404868
Ayn Rand didn't suggest discarding society and she didn't invent individualism. You equated the belief that the strong are more socially desirable so have greater dynamism to a woman in heat when this, in fact, is just basic common sense and something any individualist would agree with. You're just a liar.

>>213404912
>Ayn Rand didn't suggest discarding society and she didn't invent individualism. You equated the belief that the strong are more socially desirable so have greater dynamism to a woman in heat when this, in fact, is just basic common sense and something any individualist would agree with. You're just a liar.
Her entire magnum opus is entirely about discarding society to prove that society needs them more than they need it.
The entire time you've been in here and the image you posted are entirely about "ridding society of those you feel are lesser".
At the core of you is the known quality that you are lesser and your resentment of the truth.
Otherwise you don't need to view people on this axis as you are actually one of your "strong".
The wisdom of crowds is a real thing, common sense is certainly not. It's simply an easy excuse for mental midgets to say "people agree with me".
What people, oh everyone of course!

>>213399185
>nooo don't tax me I'm coompounding!

>>213405015
The principle that I’ve elaborated which is also explored in Atlas Shrugged is that strong, smart and successful people depend less on a group than weak, stupid and unsuccessful people depend on a group so strong, smart and successful people have more options available to them and the implications of that. How this is something anyone disagrees with I don’t know but such a denial of a blatant reality isn’t just an error of judgment; it is dishonesty and delusion. You’re fixated on the idea that I’m putting myself in the category of ubermensch or something like that and the thought that I might think of myself like that seems to upset you even though I’m just an anonymous poster making statements of fact and logic. You reek of resentment.

>>213406635
>The principle that I’ve elaborated which is also explored in Atlas Shrugged is that strong, smart and successful people depend less on a group than weak, stupid and unsuccessful people depend on a group so strong, smart and successful people have more options available to them and the implications of that. How this is something anyone disagrees with I don’t know but such a denial of a blatant reality isn’t just an error of judgment; it is dishonesty and delusion. You’re fixated on the idea that I’m putting myself in the category of ubermensch or something like that and the thought that I might think of myself like that seems to upset you even though I’m just an anonymous poster making statements of fact and logic. You reek of resentment.
Nothing but projection out of you then, of course.

>>213406726
Ah yes, weaponized therapy speak from the clown that tried to call individualism in some way feminine in nature. Am I also a narcissist, sweetie?

>>213406808
>Ah yes, weaponized therapy speak from the clown that tried to call individualism in some way feminine in nature. Am I also a narcissist, sweetie?
Considering nothing of what you've put forward has been anything but regurgitated slop from a cunt's mind and aside from your undoubtedly being a pedophile it's impossible to tell if you're a narcissist.

>>213406909
>An anonymous poster is a pedophile. How do I know? They believe strong, smart and successful people have more options available to them, and the lack of those options for weak, stupid and unsuccessful people makes them resentful.
lmfao

I’ll always love Rand just for capacity to make retards come out with the most deranged rubbish.

>>213407169
Libertarians and by association objectivists consistently get outed as pedophiles so i'm making a calculated assumption due to previous data.
The math says you likely want to rape or do rape children.

>>213394532
Then how is it that every criticism I've heard of it is a complete strawman

>>213394279 (OP)
>>213394532
>>213394567
>>213394600
>ayn is pretty young and living in L.A. - she enjoys the aristocratic party scene
>she meets a man named william edward hickman at one of those parties, talks to him at length
>decides he's the real-life superman archetype and writes an unfinished novella where he's the main character (the little street)
>tells everyone about how the guy is perfect and if only other men could be as emotionless and pure in their thought...
>turns out he's a sadistic pedophile serial killer
>people confront ayn rand about it expecting her to say "alright i was wrong about that guy"
>instead she says "well then i guess he was so pure and good that society ruined him"
fucking bitch doubled down after getting 100% confirmation he was a serial killer

>>213394639
Zoomers are currently becoming massive frustrated cucks because their women have adopted it wholeheartedly.

>>213394338
I want to be breastfed
its the only memory of when I was truly happy

>>213401027
Lol nice

>>213407298
Proof of this? Personally, I’d see pedophiles hanged, and it’s typically collectivists that defend pedos. Any proof or logic to your rubbish? None as usual?

>>213394600
This applied to babies causes humor to ensue.

>>213407487
>Proof of this? Personally, I’d see pedophiles hanged, and it’s typically collectivists that defend pedos. Any proof or logic to your rubbish? None as usual?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Larson_(criminal)

>>213407607
I don’t get it

>>213400324
What lyrics are these from, google isn't giving me shit

they told me this then they did that look me in my eyeballs and stabbed me in the back fuck you and your entire bloodline

>>213394600
>Billiondollarsforeveryoneism emphasises giving everyone a billion dollars
>Okay so what's wrong with this?
Ideologies should be grounded in reality

>>213402245
Isreal is the human trafficking capital of the world.
Go search on google maps for pedos and take a glance for yourself.

>>213404067
That's every political philosopher in history. You don't get at that level of philosophy without some elite background and schooling from the avereage person. Even Pol Pot got to travel internationally and live relatively lavishly for his education.

>>213394567
>>213403457
>we were out in the middle of the playground, somewhere past the swing sets, when the drugs began to take hold
Fund it

Why do people misconstrue Objectivism when its entire point is just that people shouldn't be constrained by society at large if it were to their detriment, because in turn, society will also suffer. That's it, that's the entire point. To put it in capeshit terms, Superman shouldn't just be forced to spin a gigantic wheel for the entire earth to provide energy and be free to do what he wants in life, his society obligation should be of his own will rather than be forced upon him.

>>213410152
and should be just free to do what he wants in life*

>>213403261
Rand is a better read than Kant.

>>213401786
America was not meant to have a FEDERAL government
FTFY

>>213410152
So you need to posit the existence of capeshit superjews that cant exist in reality for alisa rosenbaums schizoid ramblings to make sense

>>213401541
Socialism absolutely destroys the public vs private split due to poltiics. It is because it is fundamentally an ideological mandate at a macro level. It does not literally entail it but it incidentally does so.

>>213410369
No anon. That was just the Atlas metaphor. YOU as in YOU, don't have to put up with what society demands of you and just do what you want even if you have the skills to help it because that decision should solely be yours to will upon.

>>213396575
Rand did not advocate for a stateless and anarchic society.

>>213395176
Libertariansim is the best political position the average person should adopt if they were to be put in a poltiical box. It should not be the political position of the government or any institution.

The lack of sneed jokes in this thread its unsettling

>>213400085
From the 60s to the 2000s, that was the prevailing opinion in the media and universities.

>>213398317
Load-bearing windows

>>213401471
Fascism wants to transport the ideals of individualism onto the state's identity beyond its body politic as an individual entity in of itself. The state henceforth is anthropomorphized with a personality and breathes beyond the shackles of politics and becomes the gestalt will and anxieties of its people.

>>213401566
Ayn Rand is explicitly anti-libertarian though.

>>213399185
WTF??!?!? Bigger numbers get bigger faster than smaller numbers when compounding?

>>213407819
This is my irl wife the rapper smallz one

>>213402013
>if we ended US subsidies, would you support a continued alliance with the State of Israel?
Not unless they stopped all the bullshit they are constantly pulling as well. We don't give NK subsidies, but we are aren't allied with them because they are perpetual dicks. Same with Israel.

>>213396233
Elon is more of a technocrat than he is an objectivist but there is an overlap between the two, yes. Objectivism relies on the prodigious and the most hardworking in society to be able to just say no to societal demands if they are not catered to properly. Hence, Atlas being asked to shrug off the earth on his shoulders.

>>213401798
Yeah bro, what sports team are you rooting for next election?

>>213400324
I've always noticed this to be the main criticism of Rand but it's so banal and contrarian because it basically amounts to "she didn't say it like the other guys said it" and when they cite who the other guys are, it summarily boils down to post-hoc reasoning of why they shouldn't like it. Like why this shade of purple isn't more blue type shit.

>>213394279 (OP)
All I know about Ayn Rand is stuff I gleaned from Bioshock, which I assume means Atlas Shrugged is about an aspirationally utopian society that's broken down to dystopian and everyone's trying to kill each other. Which is not a setting you'd want your young child to be in, I think that's the joke?

>>213394600
Well for starters we've basically already had that kind of society during Laissez-faire capitalism and it was so bad that most of the industrial world was basically on the edge of revolution for most of its existence.

>>213394862
she paid into the system, she was entitled to get some of it back. she never criticised the people on welfare, she criticised the concept of welfare itself.

>>213411116
Ayn Rand was I'll informed about the RESPONSES to the prior philosophers she was inspired by. To put it in terms you would understand, imagine that somebody only watched pokemon season 1 and used it to create a theory of everything, including the axiom that each episode of pokemon opens with the pokemon theme song. This makes perfect sense until a later season where a different theme song is used. Now the picture is more complex and your axiom is an oversimplification, and your extrapolations are jeaporadized.

Bypassing the post-socratics, aquinas, spinoza, Nietzsche kant hegel kierkegaard etc is just retarded. It's stupid as fuck.

Ayn rand wrote catchy books but her philosophy is not coherent

>>213412541
>pokemon-based polemic
That sounds just like a post-modernist critique.

>>213403570
gold doesn't degrade yet is easily reformed and transported. that's its intrinsic value above practically all other materials, which is why so many societies independently decided upon using it as a store of wealth. eggs will go bad, shoes are only valuable to people to whom the shoes fit. but gold you can throw onto the bottom of the ocean and leave it there for 500 years before fishing it back out and it'll be as good as new. the only other materials that come close is oxygen and water, and those are both significantly more plentiful and significantly less easy to transport. not to mention the fact they're consumables that for all intents and purposes regenerate.

>>213411276
Atlas Shrugged is a science fiction story about a dystopian United States that is teetering on the edge. public order is collapsing, the dollar has been inflated to almost nothing, and the producers of the world - industrialists in the mold of Henry Ford, who are ubiquitous in the novel - are mysteriously disappearing from the world.
The original title of the novel was The Strike.

>>213401053
Basically yes

>>213407406
What the fuck is wrong with these "people".

>>213404504
She thinks she's a hero of LGB (fuck the T) rights.

>>213398183
>>213397231
kek, it's kino!

Ayn Bran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4jmXqjjPcc

>>213399185
In what scenario would an investment get taxed repeatedly like that?

>>213411276
You would be surprised to know that Bioshock wasn't actually a critique about Objectivism, but more about the sentiments of Jewish prodigies and their will to exist in a world that hates and undermines them as said by Adam Levine himself.

>>213394567
John Locke school for tots

>>213415467
it wouldn't, you only get taxed when you sell.
it's a stupid argument.

>>213415637
This wouldn't be ironic or funny at all given John Locke's dedication to developing English pedagogy. In fact, if the Simpsons were to make such a reference I would more likely think that something were going right in Springfield for once.