Thread 213415127

>>213415127 (OP)
>My invincible son, grab my hand and save me!

if Snyder was actually smart the dad would have died from a heartattack or something Superman couldn't actually stop instead of this forced bullshit.

>>213415185
Pa Kent is meant to die of a heart attack to teach Clark that he can’t control some things, Snyder didn’t seem to grasp that

>>213415127 (OP)
Based Clark that wanted to save his father, but still listened to and respected his father

>>213415127 (OP)
I liked that poppa kent decided to try get all those people killed before he jumped into the tornado

>>213415185
Yeah but a giant fucking tornado is huge and epic, its about gods, you wouldnt get it

The whole point of the movie was that hid dad was wrong and that he should have just rushed out there to save him. Why is everyone being so dense?

>>213415185
>>213415242
Same method, different points. Pa Kent didn't want the world to know that someone like Superman exists as he feels it would be placing the burden on Clark to help everyone and the rest of the world would get changed for the worse for it. And it does. Superman is a geopolitical nightmare and gets blamed everytime he chooses someone else to save rather than them.

>>213415390
His dad was only semi-wrong. He didn't want Clark to reveal himself as SAVIOR OF PLANET EARTH until he was ready to really take the mantle and be sure.

>>213415411
Bullshit, nine people woudn't have noticed.a heart attack is not purposefully letting your dad die in a contrived ass way

I don't get it, whhhhy is Jonathan Kent killing himself again when he can still get out of the way of the tornado or get into a ditch?

>>213415477
That was the point, you pleb. If it was a heart attack, there would be nothing he could do. There's no lesson behind that.

The whole point of this scene was showing what happens in a world without Superman.

"Superman" doesn't even exist in this scene. There was no suit, no "S", no "Krypton". It was a father protecting his son.

>>213415585
>That was the point, you pleb. If it was a heart attack, there would be nothing he could do. There's no lesson behind that.
This is the average IQ of Snyderfans

>>213415630
Superman saved a squirrel, cried over a dog that wasn't his, but couldn't even save Lois

>>213415500
Very tired of Martha’s dusty pussy.

>>213415663
Not that anon but he's right. Pa Kent's greatest flaw is that he was pessimistic about the world figuring out that someone like Superman exists and for his son to fill that role unprepared. A heart attack wouldn't really address that key point. Plus, you already get that sort of lesson in the Flash film which ultimately does it better because Barry tries to time travel over and over again to try and save his mother but in doing so, throws the entire multiverse into chaos.

>>213415185
Snyder was making a Dragon Ball Z movie, not Superman.

>>213415663
How would Clark's dad dying from a heart attack make him a superhero? Why wouldn't he just become or a heart surgeon?

The whole point of the movie is: SUPERHEROES DON'T EXIST

Always relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m2DDThZtiY&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD

>>213415127 (OP)
is this the most retarded scene in all of cinema history?

>>213415886
No that’s the Martha scene in BvS

I thought the point was that if you're a cuck you should just kill yourself.

>>213415185
Then Snyder wouldn't be able to make Pa Kent into a psychopath, which was the whole point

>live in kansas
>historically part of tornado ally
>has sirens designed to go off if a tornado happens
>massive traffic jam, but all in one direction towards the torando
>in the middle of nowhere
>we gonna leave the pooch in the car
This would make more sense, if it was in central Wichita

>>213415127 (OP)
>Son, don't save me I must farm aura

There is no way of defending this scene. I agree.

>>213415844
what a stupid fucking point to make on a movie about THE superhero

>>213416142
>Aura farming stops
>Talk of "superhero fatigue" begins

>>213415585
>It was a father protecting his son
His invincible son, a heart attack is something Clark cannot do anything about retarded snyder jeeet

>>213415185
If only

>>213416285
"The" superhero didn't even know how to fly til the first flight scene after he got his suit, dumbass. How about you learn follow a sequence of events to understand it's narrative. The first person to even suggest he's even called "Superman" was Lois in the interrogation scene

>>213415127 (OP)
He doesn't even need to be faster than a bullet. He just needs to be exactly as fast as a teenage boy in good shape.
And remember, Pa Kent went out there to save a dog that didn't need to be saved.

>>213415127 (OP)
This scene was top-tier. Sorry if you're sub-80 IQ.

>>213415903
This scene was fucking retarded though, yeah.

This scene only makes sense if Clark was suffering from Kryptonite poisoning. Normal people do not left their fathers commit suicide when they can save them.

>BBBBBUT MUH OVERPASS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bev2eVU2xw

>>213415127 (OP)
Nobody would have even noticed if he had saved him. Everyone was shitting themselves scared

>>213416142
>my father was a famer
>what did he farm?
>aura

>>213415500
He wanted out of this gay movie

>>213415585
>There's no lesson behind that.
u wot m8?
The lesson is that superman can't save everyone, he's powerful, but he's not a god.
It also demonstrates that the character is invulnerable to physical damage, but they're moral and sensitive people who are emotionally vulnerable.

>>213415663
They really are dumb

Wasn’t the point that if Clark publically revealed himself as a teenager, before the world was ready, he’d have the entire government on his back and the world thrown upside down? It’s why Pa Kent said he probably should have let the kids drown when he was a boy and they had the town sniffing around. Clark only reveals himself when Zod attacks the Earth, when the time is right, which was the whole point.

Granted the heart attack death is far more narratively fitting.

>>213416142
>>213416300
>>213416445
>Grown ass adults using Gen Alpha lingo
Grow up

>>213416550
Yet he uses his powers anyways, saving people in an oil rig who can see who he is and is so obvious Lois is able to figure out who it is. Also uses his powers to destroy some rednecks big rig

>>213415127 (OP)
Stop, my back seating son. I'm holding down back and once this nigga Rashid tries to grab me after the tornado disappears, I'm gonna flash kick his ass back to the Middle East.

>>213416697
Yep, Clark couldn't help himself, left a trail, and ended up getting caught by Lois.

Lois was going to share the story, which the Daily Planet decided to bury. They decided it wouldn't be good if the story got out.

That's when Zod reveals himself, forcing Clark to out himself

>>213416637
Why does aura farming seem to strike so deep into the psych of Snyder simps? Is it because they realize it's such an accurate critique of Snyder's failures as a director?

>>213415242
>Pa Kent is meant to die of a heart attack
Bear in mind this is an invention of the Richard Donner version and not some inherent quality of Superman as a character.
>>213415185
>or something Superman couldn't actually stop
The whole point, in case this is too hard for you to understand, is to ask the question, "What if you could stop it, but the morally right thing was to not stop it?" If Superman can't stop it, then it absolves him of all moral responsibility like some movie made for children.

>>213417197
>letting your father die is the morally right thing
snyderfags are lost

>>213415127 (OP)
>im 57 with no biological son and a barren wife
>let me die
Odd direction but ok Snyder

>>213415127 (OP)
I can't believe anyone would unironically defend this

>>213417197
>>213417392
Super man should have just saved his dad then laser eyed all the witnesses and thrown their corpses in the tornado. Problem solved.

>>213417392
As Jonathan says, some things are more important than our own lives and the lives of those around us. Clark is having to choose between his father's life and the millions of people who might die if his secret is revealed before he is ready to bear the responsibility.

Was it the right thing to do? There's no clear answer on this. That's the whole point. The audience is meant to grapple with doubt and uncertainty just as Clark does.

>>213417628
>clark, why did you save those kids? you should have let them die
what did snyder meant by this?

>>213417392
>>213417628
I've come to realize that a lot of comic book fans and fans of comic book movies don't really like to have their heroes morally challenged. They view them as affirming escapism. It's why they don't like movies to acknowledge that Batman is absolutely killing people. They want the comforting fantasy that those people totally survived.

>>213415242
he can't x-ray Pa Kent and laser-remove the blood clot?

>>213417701
is not what nature would want

>>213417701
>Snyder Superman: attempts to laser remove the blood clot, but accidentally cleaves him in half

>>213417197
Clark would’ve saved his dad without a second thought. Even if he told him not to and never talked to him again. He would be alive and his mother wouldn’t be a widow. Make matters worse we saw practically every episode of Smallville Clark even younger using his speed and not being seen. He saved Lana from a fucking a tornado

>>213417764
>Clark would’ve saved his dad without a second thought.
And then the world is thrown into chaos and a lot of people die. Is that the outcome you want?

>>213417764
Smallville started in 2001, but it has a pre-9/11 mentality. Man of Steel is a direct reflection on the fears and anxieties of 9/11 and the role this would have on a figure like Superman.

>>213415312
>choosing to let your father die is based actually

>>213417826
>And then the world is thrown into chaos and a lot of people die.
how exactly does that happen by doing that question mark?

>>213415127 (OP)
If you really think that's what he's thinking here, you didn't understand a basic plot point of the movie.

Snyderfags thinking this is a good scene makes a lot more sense when you understand human life means nothing to Indians and they even throw themselves to certain death.

The only reason this movie is not as bad as other snyder offerings, is that Nolan wrote it. It came out as an actually decent movie.

>>213417872
Clark's secret is out if he saves his father. Dozens of people are watching. The town has been whispering for years that Clark is some kind of miracle-worker because of the bus incident. His parents have been running interference for years. But if he does this, the secret is out. People talk. The government hears the talk. Lex "currently beating his son (Lex from BvS)" Luthor hears the talk. The world goes into an existential crisis at the discovery of a non-human child walking among them. Clark becomes the property of the US government. Other governments argue they should have him. Wars break out. There is a breakdown in basic human ideology because it has been overturned by the existence of the Superman.

This is what Perry is talking about when he kills Lois's "Superman" story. It doesn't matter if there is a Superman. If people find out about "The Superman" this mystery figure wandering across America doing miracles, the shit is going to hit the fan spectacularly quickly.

The film repeatedly emphasizes this point. It's impossible to misunderstand it.

>>213417826
They never would’ve seen him and even if they did, so what? Who the fuck would believe them. Did the world go to hell when all oil workers saw him ripping a door off and holding the entire structure up while on fire?

>>213415844
You are genuinely retarded.
Pa Kent dying of a heart attack being Superman's primary motivator is operating on Spider-Man rules - there's so much shit Superman can't actually do for people in need, so the least he can do is use the gifts he has to save the few people he actually can.

>>213418054
>They never would’ve seen him
Everyone was watching.
>Did the world go to hell when all oil workers saw him ripping a door off and holding the entire structure up while on fire?
No, because nobody has been able to trace this mystery figure. The thing is, though, Lois pieces together the anecdotes about a man saving people, and she follows the trail. When Perry finds out, he kills the story because he knows there is probably a miracle worker out there, but he knows/believes that exposing him will throw the world into chaos.

>>213418134
>Pa Kent dying of a heart attack being Superman's primary motivator is operating on Spider-Man rules - there's so much shit Superman can't actually do for people in need, so the least he can do is use the gifts he has to save the few people he actually can.
What if saving a few people kills millions more? What if, as BvS put it, "While I was eating my hero cake, their horses were drowning." What if every person Spider-Man saves is a paedophile that molests 10 children who become molesters themselves?

>>213416697
That’s the point. He grows beyond his earthly father’s stupid bullshit and realizes that if he has the power he should use it if he desires, regardless of what mortals might think. It’s very randian but in a good way. It’s also why he doesn’t save the courtroom.

>>213418134
Not even Spider Man rules. Superman doesn’t do what he does out vengeance like Batman or guilt like Spider Man but because of how he was raised to be a good person. This is why I hate this scene. MOS was written by Nolan and Goyer and they just recycled Batman Begins. They had no understanding of the character and wanted a tragic scene like Bruce watching his parents get killed so they had Clark watch his dad sucked into a tornado

Can someone please explain the point of this scene. Because no one seems to know.

>>213415127 (OP)

They were clearly seen moving around with superspeed in the smallville fight. No slo mo was used.

>>213418213
At the end of the day all Superman can do is inspire you to be better, that's his main superpower.
He's not actually trying to save literally everyone, he's trying to get you to see you have the ability to save yourself even when he can't.

>>213418386
What's to explain? Pa Kent thinks the world isn't ready for Superman. Although he just had an argument with him, Clark loves his father and respects his wishes to keep hidden.

It's not hard to understand. The core themes are explored in the sequel, Batman v Superman, where Lex is going around massacring people in Africa and throwing black women in front of moving trains simply because Superman exists. Where people are worshipping Superman as God, which pisses off Lex more, so he blows up a bunch of senators and also his hot asian assistant.

>>213418386
with great power, comes great responsibility(to not use it). that's the point. at least, according to sneedercopers.

>>213418134
You all keep posting random pictures of random Supermen, like you've proven something.

At this point in movie Clark is a teenager that doesn't even know he can fly. Why weren't the public calling for "Superman" to save Pa Kent, and where was his suit at this point in the movie?

It's not operating on "Spider-Man rules," as there was no moral ambiguity when Uncle Ben died. Peter wasn't there and couldn't stop it

>>213418386
Clark kent let his father die i repeat DIE so nine people (who woudn't have noticed him moving at super speed anyway) know his true identity except he wasn't even Superman yet. Snyderfags genuinelly argue the scene is "morally challeging" instead of retarded

>>213415185
>Heart attack

Superman is so super he can stop * check note- heart attack

Something thousands died every day in the world- which apparently couldn't care to stop.

Something that a high schooler Clark Kent who lived on a farm know can happen because he was raised on Earth and people do die

Heart attack people really?
Superman is really not "ALIEN" ALIEN you know that right?

>>213415185
>Morally right to let devastation happen and not disrupt the twister
He could have been so fast no one would've known he left stopped the twister and got back and blended in the background.

>>213418386
No point it's just dumb drama for drama sake.

>>213418446
>At the end of the day all Superman can do is inspire you to be better, that's his main superpower.
Which is why the film Justice League, and to a degree Batman v Superman are all about.
>I failed him in life. I won't fail him in death.
In the Snyder movies, like Excalibur, there's this idea of the symbol being important. It is inherited from Batman Begins, though.
>As a man, I'm flesh and blood, I can be ignored, I can be destroyed; but as a symbol... as a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting.
Superman inspires Wonder Woman to come out of self-exile. He inspires The Flash to save the world, to be the best version of himself. In the park they build a monument to him.
>If you seek his monument, look around you.
Superman represents the hope of a better tomorrow.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes because I'm like... did you people even watch Man of Steel, Batman v Superman Director's Cut and Justice League Director's Cut? These films have a fairly coherent thesis that they put forward.

>>213418511
Which is weird since a huge proportion of the people he grew up with obviously knew he was some kind of super being. Even the IHOP guy knew.

>>213417536
Nobody would witness anything, he could run and grab his father faster than any human could see it. Also there was a fucking tornado going on, that tends to distract people.

>>213418485
>It's not operating on "Spider-Man rules," as there was no moral ambiguity when Uncle Ben died. Peter wasn't there and couldn't stop it
Nigga you cannot be fucking serious.

>>213418470
Classic Superman tends to have a pro-US, pro-interventionism attitude. Classic Superman has a "We should totally invade/liberate Vietnam" attitude. Snyder Superman has a bleaker, more introspective stance about the difficult choice between doing the right thing in the moment and doing the right thing long term. You fly into Africa and save some villagers. Then those villagers go home and kill the villagers next door. How can Superman do good in a world that views him only as an instrument to be exploited? How can he represent truth, justice, and the American Way when America is a villain on the world stage?

Gunn's film deals with the same ideas but tries to sidestep all the deeper implications.

>>213418386
They live in a world where super beings don't exist. It's like in real life, if someone right now revealed they were literally an alien, it would change out entire existence of what's out there in the universe. Pa Kent himself says, "You're the answer. You're the answer to are we alone in the universe." It would literally dominate the new cycle, and he would be invetigated by the government. Some people wolr worship him, others would ricicule him. Pa Kent was saving his son from that, because he thought he wasn't ready. Pa Kents death was small compared to the life world changing event of: aliens literally fucking exist.

>>213418561
It's not weird at all. Jonathan didn't know that a lot of people in the town knew about Clark but they kept quiet because they loved and respected the Kent family, and Clark. Jonathan made the best decisions he could make with the limited information he had. He didn't know when the world would be ready. Was the world ready on that day? Perhaps.

Superman talks to the ghost of his father in BvS about the dilemma. How can I do good in a world where my actions directly get more people killed than I saved? And he concludes that you just have to do good and cling to a good thing in this world like Lois to stay grounded, to keep the screams of the damned from drowning you.

>>213418134
Both of them are retarded. Superman doesn't need to be convinced by some personal tragedy to be a hero, it's his nature/upbringing making him one. Him needing his dad to die to inspire him is deranged. Spidey is a different character, his characterization is as kind of a bitter prick who needs a smack at the back of the head before becoming a better man. Although Spidey overcorrects and becomes very self-destructive about it.

>>213418361
>Superman doesn’t do what he does out vengeance like Batman or guilt like Spider Man but because of how he was raised to be a good person.
This is what Snyder fans will never get, he wanted to have a dark edge and guilt tripping clark is just not why superman is superman

>>213418613
How would him doing something supernatural let people know aliens are real, or convince anyone that he even did anything supernatural at all? People would say it's a trick and dismiss it, other people would think he was a wizard or a witch or something; whatever. The idea that this would reveal his existence as an alien to the world is retarded beyond words to articulate.

>>213418581
Spider-Man didn't know the robber would go and kill his uncle. It's not the same, dumbass. Had he known, he would have stopped it.

Superman's scene was his father is literally telling him not to save him, even though he had the powers do do it.

Pa Kent was saving Clark from the world, Uncle Ben didn't die to save Peter, it was a random mugging. How the hell is that even the same?

>>213418757
>guilt tripping clark is just not why superman is superman
Bear in mind it's 100% why Donner's Superman is like that. Donner Superman, BTW, is the direct inspiration for Anakin Skywalker. There's a direct parallel between the scene in Superman where Clark talks about how he has all these powers but he couldn't save him, and Anakin flipping his shit to Padme about how he has all these powers, but he couldn't stop his mother from dying, so he's gonna become the greatest Jedi ever and also Obi-Wan is a bitch holding him back from greatness.

>>213418779
>How would him doing something supernatural let people know aliens are real, or convince anyone that he even did anything supernatural at all? People would say it's a trick and dismiss it, other people would think he was a wizard or a witch or something; whatever.
Because dozens of witnesses would attest to it, and Clark would be called in for questioning, and he would immediately crack.

>>213418779
That's why where are some people that worship him, and others label him a "false God" in BvS. It's expands on that. People don't quite know what he is. "Alien" technically means "foreign". He's a stranger to the planet and "doesn't belong"

>>213418779
>The idea that this would reveal his existence as an alien to the world is retarded beyond words to articulate.
How would you write the film in a way where Clark being exposed would cause the breakdown of human civilization?

>>213418386

Short answer: Clarks earth parents worry about their invincible son.

The tordando scene is about Jonathan Kent protecting his Son from the world. It's not about his power or abilities. Clark moments before was complaining and said "You're not my Dad!"

The scene where Jonathan is revealing how they found him Clark just wants to keep pretending he's their Son. He just wants to fit in and be normal.

The scene where Clark is being bullied and the Jonathan asks him "did they hurt you?" and Clark says "You know they can't" which Johnathan responds with "That's not what I meant. I meant are you alright?" Because he's worried about him from an emotional point of view.

When Clark asks "What was I supposed to do, just let them die?" Jonathan says "There's more at stake than just our lives, or the lives around us." He's saying this because Clarks existence is world changing and also he's very reluctant on anyone finding out about his Son.

Man of Steel and Batman V Superman heavily revolve around this topic.How would the world react, what should he do or not do, the controversey if he's a hero or does he bring death and destruction.

Jor EL tells Zod "he will be free to choose his own destiny. Jonathan says "You have decide what kind of man you want to be, Clark, good character or bad, he's going to change the world". This all leads up to the Justice League and Darkside future of him being good or evil because he's capable of both.

>>213418827
>Because dozens of witnesses would attest to it
How? Mind you in the middle of a fucking tornado

>>213416392
>And remember, Pa Kent went out there to save a dog that didn't need to be saved.
What the fuck...

>>213415127 (OP)
the kiss scene in man of steel was more jarring than the 911 scenes or the maybe let them drown scene

>>213417197
>"What if you could stop it, but the morally right thing was to not stop it?"

Are you implying that you would let you father commit suicide, you Jeet fuck?

Did you guys miss the movie? Clark had strength/durability at this point, that's about it. He wasn't fast, he couldn't even fly. There was legitimately no way to actually save Pa Kent at that point.

>previous thread someone literally asked why didn't superman move the crashed scout ship out of the city? Like who is going to stop him!?

I have come to the conclusion that americans, who think MOS is a reeactment of 911, have lower IQ than so called Jeets

>>213415703
when was Lois in danger? shhe had the spaceship

>>213415663
He's right and you're retarded. Superman not being able to save everyone isn't a lesson, it's just an admission of basic fact that has no impact on his behavior or personality. The concept that he SHOULDN'T try to save everyone or use his powers to solve all his issues IS a lesson that meaningfully could impact his behavior and personality. Pa Kent sacrificing himself is thus the superior story.
Thank you for your attention on this matter

>>213416522
This guy gets it

>>213415127 (OP)
>run slightly faster than a human to save your father
>Say it's from adrenaline if people ask (they wouldn't anyway)
There, dad saved, murderman timeline averted

Its Amazing we still laugh at this film decade later

>>213415127 (OP)
>Son, get the camera and make sure to title this "Evo moment 37"

>>213415127 (OP)
This scene just showed how limited Snyder's understanding of Superman's powers is; a more serious comic book writer would've pulled a new superpower out of his ass to save Pa Kent.

>>213415390
>The whole point of the movie was that hid dad was wrong
Proof?

>>213415585
>. It was a father protecting his son.
Kekege
What us gov gonna do. Nuke superman?
Instead of teaching his son to use power responsibly, he gaslit him and the audiences into thinking superman cannot do shit.
Jonathan is an idiot why would a superior alien trust his judgement? At no point in the movie he was proven right.

>>213415844
My quote, let me finish it: Superheroes, as WE know them, don't exist in their world. There are no super beings (that they know of), and there doesn't even seem to be a reason for them to exist.

Even after Zod appears, all they see are 2 beings with the same powers that pose a threat to us and the human race. It isn't til Superman sacrifices himself in BvS that they realize they were wrong about him (him being Superman)

>>213420457
Dude, the next thing that happens after Man of Steel is Batman sees him as a threat,starts training, and wants to rid the world of him, and Lex looks for his weakness (which he finds out is Kryptonite) and finds a way to kill him

>>213415312
>7/11 in the background
Man of Shilling

>>213415127 (OP)
Why couldn't clark get the dog again?

>>213420848
Because his dad wouldn't have died and the script needs that to happen

>>213420315
Humans cannot hurt him. He doesn’t need to hide his powers. He didn’t even need to do it as a child really. The only thing he needs to do is communicate his love and respect for humanity. It’s a very Christ like notion. He wants humanity to identify with him as much as he wants to save them. His space dad basically tells him as much. That’s why Batman sides with him eventually in Batman vs Superman but also why Lex (an autist who was abused by a presumably alcoholic Eastern European dad for his entire childhood who also taught him that so called “men of steel” are bad since that’s why the name “Stalin”means) distrusts him. There are so many layers to the Snyder Superman. I get why most people don’t understand it.

>Jewperman when his opponent is a giant monster or a Mexican woman: I will try my best to keep you alive :)
>Jewperman when his opponent is a bunch of white guys: I must kill! >:(

>>213421242
What are you saying nikka

>>213420848
Clark says he'll save the dog, Pa Kent says no, and tells him to get the girl and Ma Kent to safety

>>213421430
John couldn't carry that little girl?

>>213421689
Why wouldn't he want Clark protecting his wife? She was safer with him

>>213421843
cause running the direction of a tornado is probably something clark should do

>>213422048
Stop my invincible son, let me go near the dangerous tornado, you could get hurt

>”Pa needs to die from a heart attack so Clark learns he can’t save everyone”
>”OMG why didn’t he save everyone!”
A little hypocritical, don’t you think?

>>213417976
Zero evidence other than word of mouth
If I hovered in the air infront of 20 random people nothing would change. Even if one of them filmed it people would just say
>lol nice cgi loser
>fake and gay
Etc

>>213419114
The door of the truck is open, and the dog is just sitting there.
Then when pa kent gets close the dog just jumps out and trots safely away because its an animal with basic survival instincts.

>>213416392
the whole scene was fucking retarded and was the first clue that this version of superman was going to suck dicks

>>213415127 (OP)
Why are these comicbook subhumans still assblasted by Snyder?

>>213415127 (OP)
>>But i'm faster than a bullet, dad!!!
he was not trained yet. he didnt even know how to fly. he would have caused a commotion equal to a miracle for the other passengers to see. and his father didn't want that.

>>213415703
>but couldn't even save Lois
Who was never in the danger and was fine the whole film?

>>213415822
MCU has these same scenes. Capeshit battles are just shitty CGI DBZ

>>213415127 (OP)
Until now I always thought the top part was a shot from Twister.

>>213418386
pa kent think his life is worth keeping clark secret...even after it was shown he did something similar later on but no one knew
basically he was suicidial just like snyder cultist are.

>>213415127 (OP)
>"Invincible son, I'm holding out my hand for you to grab. Why aren't you moving? You can save me before those people realize what has happened, Hell just drop me a few miles away and I'll say the tornado swept me up and dumped me there. Why won't you save your dear old Pa? Do you hate me that much?"

>>213415127 (OP)
>Clark I know you're an invincible alien freak but you really need to pay attention in school
>your race figured out interstellar travel, fuck, maybe even intergalactic, fuck if I know what alien shithole your refugee ass landed here from, but Clark, my point is I assumed your race would somehow be much more intelligent
>I know you're some invincible fucking freak that I have to pretend to love and care for so you don't exterminate my entire fucking species on your teenage hormones. Fuck, do you xeno fucks even have hormones?
>anyway Clark my point is that unlike you, I am not an invincible being I am just a normal human fleshbag and if you'd actually fucking listened in physics class instead of freaking the fuck out and locking yourself in a closet to cry like a bitch, you'd know that moving my meatsuit at that speed is going to turn me into a fine red paste anyway
>now fuck off and let me die in peace so I no longer have to deal with raising a god damn xeno freak under my roof

>>213420457
>What us gov gonna do. Nuke superman?
Which they did in BvS, BTW.

>>213415127 (OP)
He can't just pull him away "faster than a bullet" without killing him. The human body has limits.

>>213415185
Could of done super speed surgery

>>213415127 (OP)
Superhero movie fans are so fucking fake and gay because no one actually cares about the acting or the music or the way it looks, all they care about are the fucking power levels.

>>213427309
Doesn't stop the flash or quicksilver

>>213427384
People weren't having power level arguments about The Conversation in the 1970s?

>>213415185
you are an idiot. Fuck you.
the dad deing from a heart attack is not the same as him deing to protect his son and his secret.

>>213416320
>I can save everybody

a grown man says this?
lmao, comics are for kids.

>>213427672
>missing the point of that scene
imagine getting filtered by capeshit

>>213415127 (OP)
While I liked MoS overall, Pa Kent's death could've been handled better

>>213415630
oh that caught me off guard, kek

Why does Superman yap on about in BvS about how 'Superman isn't real' and it was John's dream when that contradicts MoS? Or was he yapping on about Jor-El? Fuzzy memory

>>213427929
It waa handled beautifully. What these ignorant morons seems ro.ignore, why did didn't Jonathan Kent tell Clark to use his mind control glasses?

>>213417701
>the blood clot

>>213427929
I don't think Costner played the role right. Like despite the controversial 'maybe' line he didn't really project warmth. It's odd, like even the 'You are my son' like his vocal acting is good but facially he's stone cold as fuck and the scene before the tornado, iirc, is him acting like a petulant child over Clark not wanting to be a farmer forever and forever. Even that ending scene flashback of young Clark wearing the cape, I swear in my memory you have Diana Lane smiling but Costner looking on in grumpy confusion over what he's seeing. These bros made the alien super scientist a thousands times warmer and more likeable than Jonathan Kent lolol

>>213417719
nigger what? he saved Lois Lane from bleeding to death with heat vision
shut the fuck up if you didn't watch the film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcUxYd1p-wM

>>213428177
kek

>>213415242
I always go back and forth whether he should actually die before Clark becomes Superman or have a very close shave but still lives, but that, functionally, it gives Clark the kick up the ass to find out what he is because in his mind = better understand what he is, better ability to use those powers to help people. He can labor under the illusion for a bit that if he knew his own powers a bit more he could have done something but ultimately has to accept he cannot save everybody by way of his early Superman arc

>>213428215
He's making a murderman-adjacent joke anon

>>213428284
it's a stupid joke
make one about him dodging the fuel truck or something

ok hear me out
save your dad
even if hes mad at you at least hes alive to be mad at you

>>213428314
he can't
he doesn't know how to fly
he doesn't have superspeed

>>213428314
>saves his dad
>john gets so angry at clark sparing him from mr. tornado that he then has a heart attack
>clark cries and screams

>>213428334
I've asked them time and time again; Why didn't he split into two people, one red and one blue? Why didn't he fly around the earth in the other.direction and change his father's fate like how he saved Lois after the earthquake; I'm sure Tens of thousands who died in today's that moment the world over what have loved their death being altered.

>>213417197
>What if you could stop it, but the morally right thing was to not stop it?
But it isn't. Unless your argument is that filial loyalty and obedience is the morally correct decision over preservation of life.
>b-but the government will know he's Superman
No they won't. There are no cameras. There are no witnesses that could reliably testify to anything that would interest the government. They're in fucking Kansas, they could just call it a miracle and that would be that.

>>213428514
>No they won't. There are no cameras. There are no witnesses that could reliably testify to anything that would interest the government. They're in fucking Kansas, they could just call it a miracle and that would be that.


Firstly, Why didn't he fly around the world and change his father's fate? Here's the Answer, He Didn't have that Ability!

Secondly, I blame Nolan Goyer Snyder for trusting that you incorrigible ding bats had a thinking ability that wasn't But 3 centimetres from your faces.

>>213428633
You didn't actually respond to anything I said there

>>213428633
same goes for the Congress bombing scene. Memers keep shouting "aura farmer", "why didn't he save them with superspeed", "he can react to the flash"
yeah, all of that happened in ZSJL, not BvS

Fuck you

>>213428673
Did you see where I said Secondly? This isn't about your intellectual dalliance but rather This Is About Jonathan's FEARS, because unlike you he hadn't read the Superman comics, or seen any of the media, or hummed pear shaped tones with like minded ones about the superlative myth surrounding the last son of Krypton!

>>213428693
Why didn't he do, What he Did in Superman 1978, and change everyone's fate?
Since according to you lot, once he demonstrated an ability on media then Man of Steel 2013 had to have said ability, then Tell Me Why didn't he change everyone's fate like he did for Lois?

>>213428693
Sorry about the you.lot, I meant those lots, its 5 am and I'm sleepy

>>213428693
>>213428798
You're quite correct anon, they're always on Snyder about the aura farming but the reality is poor chap, although being able to propel himself with a lot of speed much like a jet fighter might, his perception was still mortal.

>>213428693
>>213428798
>>213428829
>>213428865


As you said the skill set occurs in JL

>>213428896
Clark grew as a hero though out the 3 films
he couldn't save his father, so he learned how to fly
he couldn't save the people in the Congress, so he developed superspeed
his first fight with Kryptonians are too destructive, so he immediately took Doomsday to space
Doomsday was too overwhelming and was constantly absorbing energy, so he developed freeze breath to contain such a monster

>>213429046
Precisely. Why can't the nay sayers see this? Why are they so hateful?

>>213428750
Okay but you're still not responding to me in any way, you're talking about everything except what I said.

MY INVINCIBLE SON, LET ME DIE!

>>213415127 (OP)
>No son. I'd rather die than let the government find out about you. Honor my wish

It is Clark's moral duty as a son to obey his father. This is what woke moralists don't understand about this scene. The lesson being taught here is that the patriarch's will is ABSOLUTE. And with Jonathan Kent dead, Clark becomes that patriarch, not just for the Kent family but for all mankind.
Consider this mercy.

>>213429118
>>213429131
Hey, why didn't he turn the Tornado upside down like he did in Superman 3(see picrel)? 'member when he did that? Why didn't he fly around the world and change his daddy's fate?

>>213416320
>>213415127 (OP)
Maybe they should combine the two

>Pa Kent says no
>Clark saves him anyway, then goes to help others
>In the chaos, Pa's heart gave out
>Clark didn't notice because he's busy saving people (instead of saving a fucking dog)
>Clark is heartbroken but learns the lesson that you can't save everyone

>>213429154
Jonathan Kent had a legitimate fear, allow the child, who was 16 at the time, save him and then suffer the potential fall out of dealing with public adoration worship potentially leading to HOMELANDER, or being hunted by the government and public ostracism potentially leading to BRIGHTBURN!
Remember we're talking about Jonathan's fears.

>>213415127 (OP)
It didn't actually happen bro, it's what one guy wrote.

>>213429232
If there is even 1% chance of the government hunting you down you must treat it as an absolute certainty.

>>213429202
The scene waa about Jonathan's fears. And Clark wasn't ready, he was 16 and had just had an argument about being more public with his abilities.

>>213415185
No dumbass it's quite the opposite
The fact that supes could've easily saved him but he's forced not to sets the precedent to make it easier concealing his full power to general public

>>213429232
I have no idea what HOMELANDER and BRIGHTBURN! mean dude, I just pointed out that
>there are no cameras
>there are no reliable witnesses
>if you move fast enough no one would see you do it
>even if people do see them, they're from Kansas, the heartland of God's Country and can just chalk it up as a miracle like a lady lifting a car to save her baby (well attested and generally accepted as real)
You haven't addressed any of this.

>>213429248
Jonathan must have been terrified because of the what ifs. Imagine being a Parent/Guardian to a 10 thousand megaton bomb and not knowing what the triggering factor may be.

>>213429301
he can't. Clark doesn't know how to fly or has superspeed at the time

>>213418613
This only works if you take MoS as a standalone and the rest of the DCEU doesn't exist because metahumans clearly existed long before Clark and some were aliens. Just pretend that universe bullshit doesn't exist and the scene has power.

>>213429301
We're talking about Jonathan's Fears! Call them irrational if you prefer but they were sound; MOS climax, Supes downs a drone that was following him which confirmed one of Jonathan's fears.

>>213415127 (OP)
It's important for character development, Clark

Why doesn't Clark tell his father that his life is worth more than the dog's?

He grew up on a farm, he has seen beloved animals die before.
Did some obnoxious LA dog person wrote this?

>>213429331
>he can't
But Jonathan somehow had the time to run there and then stand and shake his head, all leisurely?

>>213429355
In America people die for their animals all the time.

>>213429355
well Superman 2025 saves a squirrel while a giant monster is actively attacking human. clearly Hollywood agrees that animal life worth more than human

>>213429315
>my child has superpowers and I don't know what might "trigger" him
>better COMMIT SUICIDE in front of him, surely this will have a good impact on his mental well being

>>213429367
The Tornado was a lot closer by that time. And we're talking about Jonathan's fears which the climax of Man of Steel showed the government following Superman with a drone.

>>213429413
>>213429346
You're acting like fear is a good reason to kill yourself. I don't understand this.

>>213429403
Jonathan Kent is Oblivious, for you see he hadn't seen any of the media or read the wiki or studied the comics. You did of course hence your snooty reciprocation.

>>213429449
You're so impetuous because you're familiar with the mythos of Superman. But imagine a floor that at anytime can become lava, would you continue to live in that House? Of course not.

>>213415127 (OP)
>I'm out, this movie is shit
>NO DON'T LEAVE ME LOOK AT MY ACTING RANGE!

>>213429458
>>213429494
Yeah so how about you address these points:
>there are no cameras filming them
>there are no reliable witnesses that could report on anything strange happening to the government nor the inclination to do so
>people rescuing their loved ones with preternatural strength is a well-attested to phenomenon that is generally accepted (i.e. the woman lifting a car to rescue her baby anecdote is known to everyone)
>the incident would more likely be taken as a miracle rather than as proof of Clark Kent (who would identify him?) as being an alien
Nothing I'm saying has anytihng to do with any other superhero media, it's all based on facts and logic present in the scene and the world it takes place in.
You have yet to address these points in any of your posts.

>FFUUUUCKKKKK THIS ACTUALLY HURTS LIKE HELL
>I CHANGED MY MIND, COME SAVE ME CLARRKKKK

>>213429577
Again with rationalization; We are Talking about Jonathan's fears! Here's a glimpse, Remember when Clark was all like, Should I have let them die, and then Jonathan said, Maybe. Remember, he doesn't know who this child is; is he a savior or the first of an invasion force? Jonathan doesn't know.
Which is why he says, whoever you're going to be, a good man or not, be sure you are ready.

>>213429657
He wouldn't have. Because he knew Clark wasn't ready for the repercussions.

>>213429668
> Remember, he doesn't know who this child is;
Nigga he raised that child he damn well knows who Clark is he was there every step of his development
Also since you refuse to address any of my points I'm going to assume you're trolling, goodbye

>>213429792
No parent knows who their child is. How many murders and suicides happened only for the parents to say, I don't understand how this could have happened.
A parent hopes, But Knows? Nonsense!!!!!!

>>213429867
>>213429792
Remember, In the Bible Satan sinned. God developed prophecy after Satan sinned because it must have been heartbreaking to see a beloved spiritual son of his turn against Him.

>>213415127 (OP)
The way I saw it was that Pa Kent was incredibly depressed and just wanted to die. Clark probably knew this and the two of them had a sort of unspoken agreement to let him kill himself while pretending to do something heroic rather than hang himself in the barn.

Snyder is very subtle. You really have to pay attention with him.

>>213430162
Hey, why didn't Clark Fly Around The planet and save his father using changing Fate Powers?

>>213430162
Pa read the script. I'd be depressed too.

>>213430218
Hey, why didn't Clark split into two people, one blue and one red?

>>213416320
>Let go Clark
>Let go!

Are comics seriously more kino than movies wtf
One million Snyders typing for one million years wouldn't be able to write this.

>>213430162
he found out he was married to a martian nigger for the last 35 years

>>213430572
That's nice, Ranjeet

>>213430162
>Snyder is very subtle
Lmao

>>213415844
It's a supposed to show how heart health is the number one killer in America and superman going vegan shows us that even the smallest of actions can make one a super hero.

One of the dumbest scenes in capeshit history

>>213431175
Jonathan understands human nature — both his son's and society’s. He fears what could happen if Clark is treated unjustly, bullied, rejected, or hunted: that the pain could twist him into something vengeful, a Brightburn-style figure who turns his wrath on humanity. But he also dreads the opposite — that too much adoration, too early, could create a false sense of moral infallibility. That Clark might become addicted to praise, shaping his identity around public perception rather than true character, ultimately turning into a Homelander-type figure who demands love and obedience instead of earning it.

This Jonathan Kent walks a razor's edge, trying to teach restraint, humility, and patience to someone who could change the world with a flick of his wrist

I liked Snyder's films, just as I liked the 2025 film. But the truth is, this scene doesn't make sense. Clearly, he didn't need super speed or the ability to fly to save his father in this scene. Repercussions? He could have simply saved everyone and hidden from everyone somewhere in the world, if that was the fear. The anon is arguing that Clark would be caught by the government and literally millions would die, when he could very well have run from the government. Besides, when Superman was revealed, millions didn't die as predicted.

>>213431272
So lets say he becomes Homelander, or negativity happens and he becomes BrightBurn? Jonathan Kent fears outweighs your arm chair warrior philosophy.

>>213431272
>>213431543
Remember he's 16. It took 16 more years to become Superman. Clark wasn't ready.

>>213415242
Snyder just doesn't understand the character of Superman in general

>>213431688
You don't know anything About Superman!!! Action Comics #2, Supermen Terrified, Bullied and Threatened Wall street tycoon types who caused the great depression.

>>213431272
it's just horribly directed the same as murtha scene

>>213415127 (OP)
>Your father killed himself when i needed him the most and now i'm a fucking widow!

>>213422899
>Zero evidence other than word of mouth
describes epstein files

>>213431272
The tornado thing and John's whole mindset arguably has the seeds for a hopeful scene, i.e. Clark says fuck it and does save Jonathan but the Smallville community all unanimously agree they're going to keep Clark's secret cause he's one of their boys. Bit like the train scene in SM2

>>213416320
What the fuck are they fighting

>>213433251
Yeah but that's against snyder dark edgy slowmo shtick

>>213417197
There was nothing morally right about any of the shit with Johnathan. What’s morally right about letting a bus full of children sink into a river so all the kids can drown?