Thread 213420280

Essential westerns

Tombstone

Shane (1953)

jeremiah johnson

>>213420280 (OP)
Flint, starring Canadian actress Sarah Gadon

The Ballad of Cable Hogue

The one with Will Smith and the robot spider

>John Wayne
Stagecoach
Red River
The Searchers
Rio Bravo
True Grit
>Randolph Scott
Frontier Marshall
Seven Men from Now
The Tall T
Ride Lonesome
Ride the High Country
>James Stewart
Destry Rides Again
Winchester '73
The Man from Laramie
The Naked Spur
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
>Gary Cooper
High Noon
The Westerner
Along Came Jones
Vera Cruz
Man of the West
>Gregory Peck
Duel in the Sun
Yellow Sky
The Gunfighter
The Bravados
The Big Country
>Henry Fonda
The Ox-Bow Incident
My Darling Clementine
The Tin Star
Warlock
Fort Apache

>>213422658
>no Bronson
shame. Picrel has one of the coolest most dangerous practical effects ever done in a western. Pretty sure someone almost got killed by debris. Also just a good movie with good score. I love 70s westerns, they seem to be generally a lot more progressive in their approach to filmmaking than the older stuff from when westerns were at the height of popularity.

>>213422658
>no Clint Eastwood
Kill yourself

>>213422658
>no Gene Autry or Roy Rogers
but really shenandoah is essential. the shootist is optional but important despite little ronny howard.

>>213423210
>>213423262
>>213423308
>give 30 recommendations to help the thread
>"fuck you, asshole, you should have given 40!"
I wasn't trying to list every essential movie or actor, just a few that I like and what their biggest movies probably are. Bronson and Eastwood are a bit late anyway, so when it comes to essential stuff I think more of the golden age

>>213423428
i was just playing along, it's a solid list and i dont even know the gary cooper stuff at all. extremely serious about the singing cowboy genre though. absolutely core.

>>213423466
>i was just playing along
I wasn't...

>>213423210
>I love 70s westerns, they seem to be generally a lot more progressive in their approach to filmmaking
What do you mean?

>>213423466
>>213423428
>>213422658
There's no Sarah Gadon kino on that list therefore its shit and you are a cuck.

>>213423555
I would personally dismiss all the sergio leone + clint eastwoods but absolutely include hang em high and once upon a time in the west. idk what else of the 60s/70s would be core outside TV shows, maybe some djangos. 90s/00s stuff is a whole other beast and important.

Best non-dollars trilogy spaghetti western coming through

for me it's

>>213420280 (OP)
The capeshit of its time.

Dunno if it's essential but it's my favorite.

>>213425117
In what sense?

>>213420280 (OP)
Westward the Women is underrated.
>>213425262
You understand parrot? All I got was "squawk squawk squawk" when I read that post.

Also Johnny Guitar is not that great of a flick all things considered but this scene where she piano solos that song waiting for the posse to bust into her house was chilling.

>>213426291
>Westward the Women is underrated.
I've been meaning to watch this but I can't find it anywhere.

For that matter, I'm trying to find a streaming service that has a lot of classic westerns in HD quality. I've found some good, more obscure ones on ScreenPix, but it's a small selection. No service seems to specialize in them and reliably have a good number of the older ones available.

>>213426430
I catch them on broadcast channels, GRIT, Movies! and a few others. Sucks they do have commercials during them this method though.

>>213421196
Shane was the boy's real father right?

>>213420280 (OP)
https://letterboxd.com/dingoatemybabi/list/the-top-50-westerns/
>>213422658
>high noon
holy shit taste

A Dirty Western

>>213426976
Not a matter of taste, it's a well known classic and the most iconic Gary Cooper western of his career, making it essential.

>>213427196
it's a piece of communist filth with no action in it at all beloved by people who hate westerns

>>213427421
Okay, it's still an essential part of the genre. You can watch it and hate if you want, but it's still something to watch. Essential doesn't mean your personal favorites

>>213427465
it's not essential because it's bad and not representative of the genre. is it essential as a piece of cinema history? arguably. is it essential as something that will give you a broad and accurate view of the western genre? hell no. also your jimmy stewart picks are terrible. you should have bend of the river and broken arrow in there.

Christ just look at th fucking cast!

>>213427562
> is it essential as a piece of cinema history? arguably
Alright then, there you go
>also your jimmy stewart picks are terrible. you should have bend of the river and broken arrow in there.
If I was just listing my favorites, Broken Arrow would be, as would How the West Was Won, but I went with the more ESSENTIAL films as that is the point of the thread

>>213422658
>>James Stewart
>no Shenandoah

>>213427771
ok then why are you saying it's essential in a thread about westerns if you accept it isn't essential as a western. that's like suggesting battleship potemkin or citizen kane in this thread.
>I went with the more ESSENTIAL films as that is the point of the thread
winchester 73 is not essential as it doesn't represent the essence of the genre like broken arrow or bend of the river do.

>>213427969
>bend of the river
Shit, I haven't seen that movie in decades. I had it on VHS as a kid.

>>213428000
it's a great little b-western with a cool paddleboat and that chick from the creature from the black lagoon (she was in a ton of other b-westerns opposite rock hudson)

>>213427943
You could list his whole filmography, but those 5 I believe are his defining films by objective cultural measures
>>213427969
>ok then why are you saying it's essential in a thread about westerns
It's a thread about essential westerns, not Dingo's Favorite Westerns™
>that's like suggesting battleship potemkin or citizen kane in this thread.
Except High Noon is a western, and an essential one, being one of the most well known and impactful movies in the genre. You don't like it and that's fine. That's not what the thread is about.
>winchester 73 is not essential as it doesn't represent the essence of the genre like broken arrow or bend of the river do.
Aside from maybe The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, it's the quintessential James Stewart western that won him his image as a tough guy western actor.

>>213428035
>it's a great little b-western
So not an essential film, just a good one to check out after you've watched THE ESSENTIALS

What's the western that's a searchers rip off but it's a husband whose been replaced while cowboying and searching for his wife and child with the new husband?
I always liked that one as a kid

>>213428035
>it's a great little b-western
Yeah, I remember liking it. It came in a box set with Shenandoah and The Far Country.

>>213428106
Jimmy Stewart wasn't tough guy in that movie and he never played a heavy. His Western archetype was stoic leader.

>>213428106
>It's a thread about essential westerns, not Dingo's Favorite Westerns™
i pick my westerns based on how much they exemplify the genre
>Except High Noon is a western, and an essential one, being one of the most well known and impactful movies in the genre.
it is an anti-western deconstruction with an insanely slow pace that contributed to the downfall of the genre as filmmakers shifted from action westerns to slow talky character studies.
>it's the quintessential James Stewart western that won him his image as a tough guy western actor.
it's the one that got him paid (iirc), but jimmy's b-western binge peaked with bend of the river. broken arrow is the more prestigious picture anyway that came out about the same time.
>>213428162
i said it was great, how does that not make it essential. b-western is the technical term for it, i'm not saying it's a bad film.
>>213428563
>shernandoah
have not seen that, is it any good? or is it an old hollywood last hurrah thing like rooster cogburn

>>213428631
>is it any good?
It's kind of like The Patriot but instead of the Revolutionary War it's the Civil War.

>>213428668
i mean what's it like in terms of style, i know it's not a roland emmerich movie. 50s western? 40s western? 60s revisionist stuff? true grit?

>>213428581
>Jimmy Stewart wasn't tough guy in that movie
Him grabbing Dan Duryea by the throat and barking at him like a madman was what transformed him from the silly beanpole to a real no-bullshit western lead. This is a matter of historical fact, and James Stewart himself said that Winchester '73 saved his film career.
>>213428631
>i pick my westerns based on how much they exemplify the genre
Nevermind that that isn't what this thread is asking-- You believe that Belle Starr is the quintessential western that best exemplifies the genre? And then Dodge City, Broken Arrow, The Professionals, and Bend of the River are all the closest movies to Belle Starr, reinforcing it? Your list seems entirely random

>>213428765
>Him grabbing Dan Duryea by the throat
He's literally a worm that turns, anon. John Wayne is the tough guy in it.

Glad to see you're still around, Dingo.

>>213428803
I'm talking about Winchester '73 obviously, and now I don't think you've seen either movie

>>213428765
i didn't RANK them by how much they exemplify westerns, i just picked them. I ranked them by quality. i don't know if there is a single quintessential/ prototypical western (maybe dodge city) anyway considering how broad the genre is (that nonetheless still excludes high noon).

>>213428817
>i don't know if there is a single quintessential/ prototypical western (maybe dodge city) anyway considering how broad the genre is (that nonetheless still excludes high noon).
You'll have to explain this then

>>213428808
i watched jurassic world rebirth yesterday, maybe i'll start watching more classic movies/ slow cinema now that i've finished rewatching south park and american dad.

>>213428833
/stout/

>>213428814
You're trying to start arguments with strangers on the internet over meaningless nonsense. Find a better means of dopamine, anon.

>>213428831
explain what, why i think dodge city is the quintessential western? it has a dashing leading man, tons of action, dastardly villains corrupting a frontier town, cattle rustling, an attempted lynching and an ingenue female lead who gets slapped a lot.
>>213428842
i refuse to believe you're the same person who asked me that question

>>213428887
I'm not, don't worry.

>>213421196
This! Shane never gets its props.

>>213420280 (OP)
The Great Silence & The Good the Bad and the Ugly are all you need bucko
>b-but they are spaghetti
you mean they don't have their heads shoved so far up their asses that they are suffocating? I guess you're right.

>>213428887
>explain what, why i think dodge city is the quintessential western?
No, how you both believe the genre is too broad for any one movie to exemplify it, while also saying that High Noon caused a change in the genre such that it became the prototypical western

>>213429048
>you mean they don't have their heads shoved so far up their asses that they are suffocating?
You're talking about the two, three hour long slow-burn epics with grandiose duels set to Italian Opera music? That's not up its own ass?

>>213429068
>while also saying that High Noon caused a change in the genre such that it became the prototypical western
no i meant high noon is excluded from the genre because it's not a real western
>considering how broad the genre is ((the genre) that nonetheless still excludes high noon).

>>213429109
>slow burn yet there is something happening all the time and the scenery/sets are glorious
go watch the documentary where John Ford gets interviewed (i think it's an extra on the Stagecoach bluray) and tell me with a stright face that old westerns were not all gay

>>213429168
Of course it is, and you just said you dislike it in part because the westerns that followed were more in that style

>>213429250
real westerns were influenced it to their detriment, which doesn't make high noon a real or representative western. there's a reason the genre was dying in the 60s and died in the 70s.

>>213429234
>character pulls out a gun after 5 minutes of squinting in passive-aggressive silence at another man who wore the same dress as him to a party 20 years ago
>LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Yeah, real humble, masculine shit

For Apache is my favorite

>>213429310
It came out in 1952, so "real westerns" stopped about there, did they?

>>213429400
more like 59-60, like film noir they were defeated by the fall of the Hays code. Thus "neo-noir" and "revisionist westerns" were born

>>213429400
nah b-westerns were uncorrupted by its woke commie nonsense but yeah mainstream westerns got steadily worse and worse until they were supplanted by tv westerns and revisionist westerns like;
>>213429430
said

>>213429048
>>213429234
nigga watch more b-westerns and 40s westerns, you're missing out. you can have great scenery and action in westerns without godawful pacing.

>>213429459
>>213429400
>>213429430
real question is what did people watch between the last "blockbuster" westerns and star wars plus all the sci-fi slop that followed
beside The Conversation & Three Days of the Condor of course

>>213429479
i saw a western where an old guy gets off at a train station no train stops at and the entire town hates him he was a veteran and had to deliver some token of a fellow from the town who died
any idea what it was called? no bluray, only dvd from what i remember

>>213429533
what, 69 to 77? neo-noirs and revisionist westerns from aldrich, peckinpah and walter hill on top of all the cutting edge new hollywood stuff. give the getway, the killer elite, ulzanas raid, the french connection, the seven ups and hard times a looksee
>>213429582
sounds like bad day at black rock which is not a western. pretty generic premise though, could be a lot of things.

>>213429430
>revisionist westerns were born in 1960
The earliest westerns were "revisionist westerns" and they existed all throughout the Hayes Code period. You have many on your own list. Broken Arrow is a revisionist western. I don't know what you think High Noon invented exactly, but it had existed already, and you enjoy other movies very similar to it. I think your main issue is the whole Carl Foreman thing.

>>213429637
that's not me (dingo) btw. broken arrow is not a revisionist western just because it has a bunch of redskins in it and they're not scalping people all the time. ain't enough blood, nigga

>>213429619
>bad day at black rock
that was it, thank you
why isn't it a western though?

>>213429619
>getaway
>french con
>seven up
>hard times
seen those, thanks, will check out the rest

>>213429662
because it's set in the 40s
>>213429681
>hard times
good on you, i don't know many people who have seen that. that's in my top 50 of all time.

>>213429656
>broken arrow is not a revisionist western just because it has a bunch of redskins in it and they're not scalping people all the time. ain't enough blood, nigga
A revisionist western is a western that depicts the west and its people/lifestyle in a more harsh or neutral light. The indian-sympathizing plot and the nuance of its depictions is considered revisionist.

>>213423582
>Now I may be a no good cheating, lying, backstabbing, murdering, burglaring son of a bitch. But I ain't no GOD DAMN RACIST.

>>213429751
that's not how the term is generally used/ understood. it's more used to describe films inspired by verz cruz and the wild bunch that are more violent and morally ambiguous.

>>213429751
There's a difference between some nuance and a full on revisionist western. It's about degrees. The revisionism of post-1960s westerns is insufferable

>>213423210
>>213430000
i'll give this a watch

>>213429858
>>213429906
No, that is what the term means. Personally, I don't like the term because a lot of westerns from every decade are "revisionist" to the point that they aren't actually revising anything. The first western was about a gang of outlaws robbing a train. John Ford's first movie is about a sleazy outlaw taking pity on a family he was hired to kill. Alan Dwan made The Good Badman, about an outlaw who robs people but gives the loot to poor, struggling families. He also made The Half-Breed about a biracial man dealing with prejudice. From your list, Duel in the Sun and The Searchers have a similar revisonist, anti-racist theme, as does Broken Arrow with its interracial romance and depiction of whites as encroaching upon the indians.
The lack of a straight-forward good vs evil, or of awholly positive depiction of the US government, its military, or its people, is what they call revisionist, as the stereotype is that a "normal" western is just white hat vs black hat and the indians only exist as simple enemies

>>213430152
again, your definition is technically correct but less accurate and, as you admit, so broad as to be useless. most people use revisionist to refer to violent westerns now covered by the hays code produced in the 60s and onward.

>>213430190
I've never heard someone say revisionist western just refers to the level of blood shown on screen. The westerns you're talking about are revisionist for the same reasons all the other ones are, and it's as useless a term for them as it was before.

>>213430262
if i use revisionist western to mean "like the wild bunch" i'd say that's a pretty useful term

>>213429730
>good on you, i don't know many people who have seen that. that's in my top 50 of all time.
I love Walter Hill
I have no favorite filmmaker but if I had to have one, it's probably him. Probably the last man in the industry that only did what he was interested (invested) in. That's what movie making should be about.

>>213423772
love this

>>213430307
idk he did a lot of trend chasing with streets of fire and extreme prejudice. great writer, hit or miss director.
>I have no favorite filmmaker but if I had to have one, it's probably him
for me it's either peckinpah, schlesinger or spielberg.

>>213430277
Like it in what way though? Movies with outlaw protagonists primarily motivated by money, with lots of shootouts? I think of When the Daltons Rode and Kansas Raiders, but those are many decades older

>>213430435
trends back then were not like trends now though
I used to dislike Streets of Fire but today it's easily one of my top200 movies, I can even appreciate the jewish buttplug that plays the broad's manager
>peckinpah
used to appreciate him when I was young (lol) but I recently watched Convoy again and was disappointed

Yep, it's kino

>>213430675
Henry Fonda is chilling in this movie

>>213430463
blood, protagonists being alcoholic rapists/ etc.
>>213430633
>I can even appreciate the jewish buttplug that plays the broad's manager
you mean rick moranis??? why are you pretending you've only seen rick moranis in streets of fire, he was one of the most bankable stars of the 80s
>used to appreciate him when I was young (lol) but I recently watched Convoy again and was disappointed
oh convoy was shit, he's an incredibly inconsistent director but when he was good (or had good collaborators, like in the killer elite) he was great.

>>213427640
I remember catching this on TV one night as a kid and being like "Shanghai Noon was a remake?"

>>213430735
>why are you pretending you've only seen rick moranis in streets of fire, he was one of the most bankable stars of the 80s
implying he didn't play himself in every movie he ever was cast in lol

>>213431013
ok michael pare, tell us more about how you want to beat the shit out of him for telling jokes

>>213420280 (OP)
This movie must be the biggest anticlimax ever. It's a real shame, especially since this is one of the few movies where Wayne acts.

>>213432179
Yeah, very disappointing cop-out from Hawks, which points to his cowardly fear of real drama. Rio Bravo's ending is arguably not much better, even if it coheres well with tone and mood of the rest of the film.

>>213420280 (OP)
3:10 TO YUMA by Delmer Daves
>>213426430
>>213426448
[s]http://ok.ru/video/7085515672091[/s]
>>213427640
It was a bit underwhelming.

>>213432116
keep joking white man

>>213432293
I don't like Rio Bravo, but I think El Dorado is pretty great. He also chickened out from improving that one's ending by killing Wayne, though.

High Noon is the best western of all time.

>>213432373
Btw, if you want a dramatic ending, check out The Culpepper Catle Co, it's a revisionist western about a Red River style cattle drive but with a bloody The Wild Bunch style ending (I assume you saw TWB)

>>213432449
No one should be allowed to post in this thread if they haven't seen The Wild Bunch.

>>213432353
god he's done so much slop over the years, i'd rather he just died

>>213420280 (OP)
The last picture show ;~;

>>213432594
i'll take your offer and raise it

>>213432995
Wanted to see this but it's like 3 hours long

>>213433071
it's like watching paint (on your wagon) dry huh

>>213433696
You didn't see Monte Walsh, Dingo? You should.

>>213432712
The incoherent editing was unnecessary. A truly pretentious movie.

Union Pacific (1939)

bump

The wild bunch is a a spiritual ancestor of young guns 1/2

im more of a John ford / John Wayne guy

>>213435568
What's John Ford's best western? Other than the overrated The Searchers.

>>213435654
The Big Trail (1930)

>>213420280 (OP)
>>213435753

>>213435753
thanks anon, I'm not the person you replied to but I'm also disappointed by The Searchers
incredible scenery but everything else is boring

>>213435654
man who shot liberty valance
Fort Apache is good too

>>213435806
I quoted you by mistake, it's not a John Ford western. You should watch it however, it's the first western filmed in widescreen 70mm and a lot of things about it are pioneering and unique. It rejects Hollywood's traditional long-medium-close shots sequencing and instead relies on very dense compositions of long and medium shots with very few medium close-ups (my picture above is one of them). Combined with pioneering use of sound it creates an image that is extremely progressive for its time and is closer to Altman's New Hollywood films than contemporary stagey productions.
Essential.

>>213426315
I thought it was pretty good, nightmare of a shoot though apparently. Nobody got along.

>>213436026
thanks, I love black and white westerns, the color ones (especially the early ones or the ones applying that abhorrent "we just slap a dark blue filter on it and call it NIGHT") are appalling
which is probably the reason why many people prefer spaghetti westerns, at least they look alright

>>213436224
>wizard of oz made in the '30s, looks crisp and clean and delicious
>practically a lost technology till the '60s
really jogs the noggin

>>213436224
Shooting day-for-night is a big reason I never cared for The Searchers. I can't stand how it looks, it always looks awful and yet there have always been directors trying to get away with it.

John wayne was a fag

>>213436409
The hell he was!

>>213436432
Draft dodger and fag, I knew this guy, he installed 2 way mirrors for him, so Wayne could jack it to dudes.

>>213423428
Why are you so angry at me? I just gave a nice little addendum to your list.
>>213423582
I don't know man, I think it's just a consequence of spaghetti westerns making the genre more serious/kino. I'm not a movie nerd so I can't justify it, it's just a vibes thing, whereas a lot of the early-to-mid 60s westerns, even the really exceptional ones like the Magnificent 7 and the Sundance Kid can feel a bit flat and overly-romantic. Not that there's a lot of really crazy good ones to choose from in the 70s, but the ones that are there are a very different sort of movie that reflect the malaise of the time. Bad Company is another good one, High plains Drifter, the Last Hard Men, etc.

>turn on pic related
>watch the bank scene
>turn off

>>213436224
>>213436392
To be fair, the necessity for day for night in those times was due to technological limitations, early color films stocks required too much light to feasibly shoot at night. B&W films used day for night filters as well, they just aren't as noticeable without color. But there were exceptions.

>>213436304
Wizard of Oz was shot in an extremely controlled, expensive studio environment to make the absolute best of the technology. These westerns you are remembering were pumped out at bottom dollar to keep 10 year old boys going to the theater

>>213436554
>early color films stocks required too much light to feasibly shoot at night
early color films stocks required too much light to feasibly shoot in shade, cloudy weather, or inside too
that's no excuse
they could have had a high speed B&W stock (which at the time was already as good as it could get, see Kodak Tri-X) and colorize it

>>213436462
>draft dodger
Why do people keep pushing this straight up lie?
>my dad works at nintendo
What is the purpose of this? Some subversive chink or muscovite pushing agendas to undermine iconic Americans from their golden age?
I was never a big "tha dook" fan growing up but the past decade or so, seeing the knee-jerk vitriol toward him has made me skeptical of it and more appreciative of his work.

>>213428581
His role in The Naked Spur really cast him against type. Nothing stoic about this character in that one, a definite departure from the 'aw shucks' guys he usually played. Great gritty little film - great cast and great performances all around.

>>213430675
The ending really never gets old. It hits me every time. I always dread showing people this movie though because of the unnecessarily drawn out rape scene. Gives me the same feeling of embarrassment as when I was on a work trip and Oingo Boingo's "Little Girls" was shuffled into my Spotify radio playlist while I was driving some of my colleagues around.

>>213436597
I wasn't talking only about westerns (although seeing this thread is about high budget ones, it may apply), I'm talking about all cinema
most high budget movies were shot on set too yet look dreadful compared to Wizard of Oz

>>213436749
My favorite wild card song to throw out when I'm DJ for the group is "Rum and Coca Cola" by the Andrews Sisters.

>>213436705
>Kodak Tri-X
ah yes the film stock people kept insisting upon even though kodak came up with tmax
>BUT BUY MUH TRIANGULAR GRAINS
no

>>213436462
Draft dodging is based. Veterans are suckers and losers.

>>213433961
that's not me, ffs
>>213435654
she wore a yellow ribbon, but drums along the mohawk is his best film

>>213420280 (OP)
(Look at those horses, what are they draggin'?)
(Heavily guarded, what is that wagon?)
(War Wagon, what is it for)
(War Wagon, loaded with gold)

*deeply inhales*

Most men are fightin' for a wagon full of gold
Scratchin' an' fightin' for a wagon full of gold
A piece of land, my cattle brand
A place to rest my head
The feelin' of a woman's love
Are all you really need for livin'

>>213436528
But what about the rest of the kino?

>>213437052
is that how you aim your gun

The long riders is pretty good, and the hunting wagon? or maybe party with Hackman

>>213437052
I can't not recommend this movie enough.

>>213436080
That's cool, I felt the tension in the film with everyone helped it, and I did like the film, and how the main villain was a woman. Seriously what the fuck WAS her problem? What a bitch.
>>213437052
That's a good one. Keenan Wynn was the Eric Roberts of his time.
>>213437220
The Hunting Party, forgot about that one, that's good. Hackman was such a son of a bitch in it.

>>213432995
This is a sleeper kino that most people overlook because lel musical. I strongly suggest giving it a chance, the performances are great and it's a rip roarin' good time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByqYEzugleE&list=RDByqYEzugleE&start_radio=1

I watch this with my dad almost yearly. He always tears up at this song.

>>213437116
yeap, it is called "point shooting" and not even particularly retarded. exceptionally kino.

>>213437728
lol thanks, the scene with the same procedure from the Magnificent Seven always cracks me up

>>213437946
handguns are designed for the quickdraw and thats the quick-draw technique, even in slow motion. real life didn't stop doing that til ~1980ish as stuff trickled down from the fbi. Gunfight rule#1 is if you're in a gun fight have a fuckin rifle.

>>213438382
yeah but they usually shoot from the hip (like they do in most westerns)... raising them half-way up is kinda perplexing, that's why I was asking
>Gunfight rule#1 is if you're in a gun fight have a fuckin rifle.
true
also: wake up before the people who want to gun you down lol

>>213439071
the slightly raised arm position i think has a better lock on the elbow joint? it's common but i'm not sure about why.

>>213439137
makes sense if you need to give off more than one shot (fan the gun etc)

ok which one of you niggers did this
>>>/pol/512383807

Not even really necessary to see either of the other two, this is the best one.

>>213439398
i agree because lee van cleef is the best. as fantastic as GBU is the budget and scale hurt it.

>>213432995
>>213437564
kino. for me, it's picrel though.
>>213439398
great, but overrated eastwood kino

>>213439490
That's a good one. I get pale rider confused with high plains drifter sometimes, but they're both good.

>>213439457
>as fantastic as GBU is the budget and scale hurt it.
fuckin' heard. I feel exactly the same.

>>213439490
>>213439649
neither of those are up high on my list except
>nice piece of hickory
scene and the awesome strip mining contraption from pale rider. high plains drifter is just fuckin weird and surreal, idk what to think about it really.

>>213439723
>high plains drifter is just fuckin weird and surreal
You nailed what I like about it

>>213439734
i dont hate it but i dont really even think about it like i think about westerns.

what was the last good "classical" western ever made? can't recall any after Open Range (2003)

>>213439926
>just smear the lens with shit bro
>*hits blunt*
>will be more AUTHENTICK

>>213439998
Wait till you see Quintet

>>213440101
Revisionist or anti

>>213439998
yes, and it's kino. not everything needs to be in technicolor, dingo

>>213440143
Every western is. It's pretty much Sam Fuller's I Shot Jesse James (1949). If that's not classic, what is?

please explain with examples what the difference is between all these
>Classic Western
>Revisionist Western
>Spaghetti Western
>Acid Western
>Neo-western
>Singing Cowboy Western

>>213440408
>Classic Western
Manefest destiny
>Revisionist Western
End of the west, industrial revolution
>Spaghetti Western
Italians making westerns and some being a bit goofy with supernatural obilities
>Acid Western
Spanish shit
>Neo-western
Nu-shit like Hell or High Water. Or movies with western themes like a lone protagonist against the police
>Singing Cowboy Western
Niggas singing

>>213436026
>>213436224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKmBVa7yhBQ

What is it that attracts you to western stories? Is it the fact that the landscape is a character all to its own, and the story is colored by that bleakness?

>>213440408
classic westerns primarily mythologize the then-ended era of pioneering, indian wars, and large scale cattle transport. extremely clear white/black hat (or injun) good/evil boundaries because of industry film censorship is common. singing cowboys are this but a cowboy sings - not a musical.

revisionist is non-mythological characterized writing leaning into morally grey stuff. extremely common post-1980 but the best examples are things like The Shootist which was a milestone due to real life john wayne stuff. Recontextualized his older movies in a revisionist way.

90s also brings its own gonzo/fantastical genre stuff westerns with big unrealistic action. Tombstone, Maverick, The Quick and the Dead, Quigley Down Under, Mariachi movies, and so on.

>>213440408
>Classic Western
WE WUZ
>Revisionist Western
we wuz not, viva communism arriba arriba ayee
>Spaghetti Western
probably how they wuz
>Acid Western
drugs lmao
>Neo-western
$$$
>Singing Cowboy Western
$$$

I've got your classic western right here bro
https://youtu.be/In3mRDX0uqk

Supremely hot take incoming:

El Camino is the best modern western I've seen in awhile.

Say what you want about Breaking Bad, but this film had all of the genes of a classic gunslinger drama.

>>213440919
horrid song though

is speedy gonzales western?

White Sun of the Desert

>>213441009
i dunno if it's a western but it's a surprisingly good movie

>>213441043
I consider it honorary western; you can tell the film makers were framing it to be one

>>213440669
>revisionist is non-mythological characterized writing
It's just a different mythos

>>213441108
no. characterization counters any of that.

>>213441183
197th post best post

>>213441020
If you ARRIBA ARRIBA work for a ANDELA living -
- why do you YEPPA YEPPA kill yourself RAPIDO working?

>>213441183
>>213441253
Not a western

>>213441105
the shootout was probably top10 western... heck even top5

>>213441291
because it ain't 19th century
it's obviously a western, look into the author (CMcC)

>>213441345
>it's obviously a western, look into the author (CMcC)
The author didn't write a western with that one

>>213441260
mr salamanca there is a treasure TEN TIMES as big if we just walk for three days!

>>213441380
the author couldn't write a non-western even if he tried
>I walked from town to town carrying a typewriter and a lightbulb
captcha: s00ty

>>213441435
Southern Gotic and Western are distinct genres.

>>213441694
Is Duel in the Sun southern gothic or western? Is Giant?

>>213441798
Cormac McCarthy didn't write those.

>>213441694
>>213441921
why are u so angry anon

>>213441921
Huh?

>include a brief scene where the protagonist randomly rapes a woman for no reason
>the movie is now a revisionist western
Mommy, he's morally gray like me! This is great writing!

>>213442102
Jej

>>213442102
the bigger problem was the harmonica, basically a mandatory prop given that it fit in the mouth of a kid
if he had a guitar, violin, or concertina, it would have been a 8/10 movie... with a harmonica it's a meme(=4)/10 movie

>>213425070
Was this parodied in Blazing Saddles?

>>213442221
not really, no. they came out the same year or so.

>>213442221
anon we dont talk about tzaddik mel brooks over here

>>213441974
Those are my only 2 posts ITT. Why are you projecting your anger?
>>213442016
Anon said Cormac McCarthy couldn't write anything other than a Western if he tried. I hinted at the fact he's likely using the label of "Western" based on superficial characteristics via pointing out McCarthy is also representative of Southern Gothic which is a distinct genre. Caught up now?

>>213442384
don't tell me you are an actual native american posting on 4chin
because that would be incredibly based

>>213442384
Sorry I didn't read the reply chain

>>213439457
True

>>213444447
Why is there a wanted poster for Jay Leno?

>>213420280 (OP)
Idk if anybody posted it but I think Hombre is hugely underrated
Half native cowboy on a stagecoach full of women and softhands has to help them survive when the shit hits the fan
Guy from Have Gun Will Travel plays a great villain too

>>213420280 (OP)
>I'll read over him..
Based OP already picked the best of them. Red River once a year till I die

>>213442102
why would rape make you morally gray?

>>213420280 (OP)
I told my mom about this thread and discussed some of your picks with her over dinner. She would like to suggest for all of you to watch Lonesome Dove. It's her favorite Robert Duval role and she adores this mini series. Wishing you all happy trails!

>>213445267
Forgot image

>>213441291
>takes place in the west
>"Not a western"!

>>213426291
>claims Westerns are like capeshit
>can't elaborate because he's wrong
You are a pathetic bitch :^)

>>213446728
Not the Old West, which is the genre

Lonely Are the Brave

>>213445267
>>213445301
That's a good one but I'm pretty sure all of /tv/ who has any taste at all have already seen that masterpiece. All of the miniseries in that series is spectacular too, if you mother hasn't seen Dead Man's Walk or Commanche Moon have her, while Duvall is top and charismatic as shit, Augustus McCrae is a fantastic character in his own right and other actors playing him have been solid (even fucking David Arquette).

>>213446728
soijak avatar posters need to be euthanized. Kill yourself.
>>213446794
My post implied the person calling westerns capeshit was a parrot, because "capeshit" is a parrot term. Why would I say that WHILE promoting westerns?

>>213448434
every time i see steve zahn i'm surprised steve zahn isnt dead.

grey fox

>>213448434
Dead Man's Walk was pretty hardcore for a miniseries. I'll always remember Keith Carradine telling the others in camp the best ways to commit suicide before being captured by Indians.

>>213420280 (OP)
Chisum and the Lincoln County War

>>213430675
This is the goat for me