Thread 213422631

You chuds don't get it. They're making FUN of you! Media illiterate much?

>>213422631 (OP)
How would guys rank verhoven’s movies?

>>213422631 (OP)
When I see a bug I kill it. Except ladybugs. I'm doing the right thing.

>>213423032
I like spiders, they eat the flies, they aren't allowed in the house though.

>>213422631 (OP)
Bugs attacks first FYI they killed innocent peaceful space settlers. Humanity has a RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF.

why are the bugs in this innocent but the beasts in an epic like clash of the titans deserving of death? could it be a section of the audience has no moral foundation and is instead influenced by surface level satirical veneer?

>>213422648
Showgirls

>>213423675
The bugs aren’t innocent but the viewer should take issue with a space faring society sending millions of young people to violent, horrific deaths in ground combat for literally no reason.

>>213423748
I think the bugs were aiming for Mexico, but they launched their rocks from the other side of the galaxy, thats complex targeting, from your ass.

>>213423845
Every planet infested within the bugs could be nuked into rubble before a single asteroid could be launched. It’s a forever war intended to kill as many plebs as possible.

Same poltard threads over and over.

>>213423032
>Except ladybugs
Based

>>213422631 (OP)
https://youtu.be/kVpYvV0O7uI?si=BjAutWhiA-IN3KOP

>>213424321
It’s funny because they compulsively feel the need to defend a racially diverse and gender equal one world government because it’s “fascist”.

>>213424650
Paul Verhoeven is a good filmmaker. Paul Verhoeven's satire has ALWAYS been absolute horseshit.

>>213424730
It's great actually. Subtle enough to fly over the heads of the people it's making fun of, and even just most modern audiences today.

>>213422631 (OP)
Denise makes my penis ejaculate fluids that are intended to be shot out only during procreation for the intent of furthering your lineage.

>>213424782
>It's great actually.
It's shit. In Robocop, they thought to make doors large enough for ED-209, but they didn't think about stairs? That's shit.

>>213424911
You don't understand satire because you're an identity politicking retard.

>>213425046
"You just don't get it, do you?"
You argue like a woman.

>>213422631 (OP)
Don't care, Fascism is based.

>>213425075
You argue like a russian.
>>213425128
Yes Ivan we know you're raiding, you idiots say the same things every time.

>>213425128
>You argue like a russian.
Bitch, argue that my counter-argument isn't correct instead of arguing like a woman.

>>213425128
>yes I have a room temperature IQ and I'm proud of it
we know cletus

>>213422648
These are all shoot four stars
Total Recall
RoboCop
Basic Instinct
Starship Troopers

This is pretty great
Flesh and Blood

It's an entertaining disaster, like Waterworld not dull like Ishtar
Showgirls

>>213424782
>It's actually super subtle you chuds just don't get it that's how genius it is!
It's as subtle as a frying pan to the face lmao, you aren't special for "getting it". Most people still think the humans are cooler, and no amount of "Erm, actually, media literacy" will make people side with the ugly space bugs against the cool awesome human soldiers that rodeo giant beetles and throw grenades inside them.

>>213425698
No Ivan we dont side with fascism. No Ivan this movie isn't real life.

>>213425744
you just have to accept the fact that non fascists are uncool, gay and feminine.
deluding yourself is unhealthy.

>>213425698
>It's as subtle as a frying pan to the face
That's what makes them freaking out over the movie so fucking funny. Such a complete and utter unforced error, that they've committed to for years now at this point.

Verhoeven assumed that by amplifying the aesthetics of militarism, hierarchy, and discipline, the audience would instinctively recoil, just as he did. That assumption guided the entire project from the beginning.
But this is where the disconnect occurred. What he failed to understand is that the values he intended to satirize — duty, order, sacrifice, strength — are not pathological or extreme. They are natural. They are normal. They are good. These are the virtues upon which civilizations have been built and which endure even in decline. The values Verhoeven celebrates instead, such as rootless autonomy, moral relativism, and the elevation of comfort over honor, are not universal. They are the cultural detritus of a decadent age.
He assumed that by presenting these timeless, and again natural and noble, virtues in what he thought was a hypertrophied and unapologetically absurd manner, he could discredit them through visibility alone. Instead, he made them appear coherent, purposeful, and in many ways admirable.

>>213425886
Yes Ivan we know this is another pol thread.

>>213425978
No Ivan fascism isn't natural or noble.
>verhoeven failed/failed satire
Yes Ivan we know the next will be:
Nazi apologist
Conflate with book
Claim it isn't fascism
Conflate with Israel/Palestine

>>213426017
>fascism isn't natural or noble
Source?

>>213422631 (OP)
i kind of wish /b/ wasn't dead so it would be feasible to just post threads about what you want to discuss instead of having to bait and switch with some other stuff to keep the jannies off your back
op wanted to talk about "media literacy" but had to use this so he wouldn't be banned for off topic posts

>>213426017
Dang dawg thats pretty cool but also not an argument glad we cleared this up pussy

>>213425978
Well said friend

I loved the unisex group shower scene. I’ve always wondered how that was supposed to be show how fascism was le bas.

>>213425744
>You're a Russian
Yawn
>>213425892
It's just a fun movie with kick ass attractive soldiers doing fucking cool shit and killing bugs. It's like trying to say Halo is actually a parody/commentary of hyper authoritarian neo colonialism. Nobody cares, Space Troops are fucking rad.

>>213426256
No Ivan this doesn't work either.

>>213422631 (OP)
how is it making fun, if it makes a lot of sense? much of the proposed society makes sense, trains strong and intelligent soldiers and citizens, not weak idiotic welfare parasites.

OP be like

You CLEARLY haven't read the subtext

>>213426298
No Ivan a fascism doesn't make sense.
>welfare parasites
All the characters you saw were literally government drones.

>>213426423
most military are taught to be drone like, it's an effective military tactic, to coordinate with each other as a unit...
would you prefer military personnel go in their own direction and do their own thing? goofy jew.
many dipshit parasites are useless to society, so putting them in military is a better option than nothing.

>>213426238
The shower scene is about how the human form in its myriad diversity is no longer taboo in the enlightened citizens republic the Veterans established.

>>213425978
this movie is analogous to what happens with mainstream media
the "smart" media literate" types are the ones that uncritically swallow whatever spin the talking heads on cable news tell them about any given story and the "dumb" ones take in the facts and form their own opinions

>>213426238
https://bloodknife.com/everyone-beautiful-no-one-horny/

>>213425698
t. didn't get it

they should remake it in south asia and call it shartshit poopers LOL

>multi ethnic, mixed gender, sexless world in a globalist empire
>making fun of "chuds"
Yeah, sure.

>>213422631 (OP)
What do you mean making fun?

>>213422631 (OP)
>You chuds don't get it. They're making FUN of you! Media illiterate much?

You're an NPC because no person with a human soul would use buzzwords like "chud" or meme phrases like "Media illiterate" while I'd like to think you're just trolling but SJW's like you have a complete lack of self-awareness, that makes your responses sound like a parody of what someone right wing would post while posing as a left wing retard such as yourself.

So cut the shit and say you like sucking your Fathers cock while his Father, your Grandfather, fucks you in the ass with no lube as they high five each other while your filthy whore mother is on the floor getting knotted by your family dog!!!FACT!!!

>>213428620
>seething chud noises
why don't you try getting some literacy, bro.

>>213424782
>It's great actually. Subtle enough to fly over the heads of the people it's making fun of, and even just most modern audiences today.

Correct as fucking retards still claim that Starship Troopers promoted fascism when Verhoeven stated that it was a satire of what a utopia would look like with pretty people who were good for nothing other than killing bugs!!!FACT!!!

>>213425978
Could've just said Verhoeven's problem is that he is a moral bankrupt who thinks good is evil and evil is good, actually.
It's not a unique phenomenon, same with Watchmen, where Alan Moore intended for Rorschach to be a cringe far-right chud, so he gave him cringe far-right chud qualities such as competence, integrity, and conviction, and then had a melty when the audience saw Rorschach as the only good person in the story.
Same with Breaking Bad, where Skyler stands out as a uniquely evil monster in a show about drug cartels and neo-nazis (while neo-nazis are portrayed as bizarrely sympathetic).
Some media creators are just plain evil and have no self-awareness that orcs, demons, and alien bugs in the stories they grew up with are a metaphor for real-life people like them.

>>213422631 (OP)
>Media illiterate much?
that what he said about Robocop too, but Blue Lives Matter, leftypol.

>>213428870
>>seething chud noises
>why don't you try getting some literacy, bro.

Typical, you can't argue to assert your position on a subject because you have nothing meaningful to add to the conversation about something that you know nothing of and claim intellectual superiority without proving it!!!FACT!!!

>>213425978
this is why i preferred the 3D animes of Starship Troopers. and the TV cartoon.

Dude, Robocop was totally about how killer robots as cops are awesome and will fix our cities, not a horrible dystopian nightmare for everyone involved.

>>213429140
>Rorschach to be a cringe far-right chud
I always though he is a radical leftist

>>213426159
he should just post in lefty >>>/pol/. which is already full of dirty commies these days.

>>213429256
i just thought he was turbo autistical though?

>>213429253
> not a horrible dystopian nightmare
The world in RoboCop looks literally a lot better than the world today.

>>213422631 (OP)
>Still calling your opponents "chuds" in 2025
Get some new material faggot.

>>213429286
thats why the director/scriptwriter were retarded.

>making fun

>turns out not funny at all but instead looks cool and rad
>most believable future

>somehow it's a satire on fascism

>>213429300
>>Still calling your opponents "chuds" in 2025
>Get some new material faggot.

They can't because they haven't been able to get the latest program updates by their masters since Musk bought Twitter!!!FACT!!!

>>213429286
Leave your mom's basement and actually look at the world through your own eyes for a second.

>>213429391
and what should I see?

>>213429215
I have plenty of meaningful things to add.
my position on the subject is that of empathy.
fascism is an idea of bullies. you target the weak and the defenseless, you're unfair and unjust in all things.
you bend the knee to the strong and punch down at those who are weak.
sjws might not be perfect but at least we stand up for people other than ourselves.
we have kindness for all except for the unkind, we have tolerance for all except for the intolerant, we educate while you prey on the ignorance of the masses.
we are objectively better people with better ideas for a better world and that world doesn't have a place for divisive, bitter, racist, bullies like you.

>>213429451
The world.
Unfiltered, unbiased, uncurated, and raw.

>>213429496
and how is it better than the
>Unfiltered, unbiased, uncurated, and raw.
-world of the Robocop?

>>213422631 (OP)
really makes you think huh

>>213429602
>a world deliberately created by director
>unfiltered, ...
wat

>>213422631 (OP)
>peaceful and unified society
FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FASCISM MUST VOTE TO OPEN BORDERS TO MORE RAPISTS

>>213422631 (OP)
>jokes on you, leftists, I identify as the low IQ character who voluntarily places himself into a meat grinder for pussy who never gets in the end!
wow, liberals owned

>>213429495
>I have plenty of meaningful things to add.
>my position on the subject is that of empathy.
>fascism is an idea of bullies. you target the weak and the defenseless, you're unfair and unjust in all things.
>you bend the knee to the strong and punch down at those who are weak.
>sjws might not be perfect but at least we stand up for people other than ourselves.
>we have kindness for all except for the unkind, we have tolerance for all except for the intolerant, we educate while you prey on the ignorance of the masses.
>we are objectively better people with better ideas for a better world and that world doesn't have a place for divisive, bitter, racist, bullies like you.

You don't believe a word of that but want to appear morally superior to placate your inferiority complex and believe that makes you a better person buy using words that don't cost you anything to say while you do nothing to prove it IRL apart from destroying property, looting stores and burning buildings that has nothing to do with "social justice" and just makes people hate you more because they see that you don't want equality but domination over others by invading, infesting and destroying anything you can get your claws into, that you know people care about and why it's soo important to ruin them because the only thing that makes you happy is making everyone as miserable as you are!!!FACT!!!

>>213429848
bug scum blew up his home and killed his family.
either he would have died in that attack or joined up afterwards anyway.
him becoming a bug killer was inevitable.

>see thread
>enter thread
>ctrl f "ivan"
>8 matches
every time
what do you call this autism

>>213422631 (OP)
They’re not ‘making fun of you’ and they’re not saying the bugs are ‘the good guys’, they’re showing the situation where war turns society and the people in it into crazed bloodthirsty monsters. The point isn’t that the bugs are better than them, they’re point is that they became as bad as the bugs

>>213429643
his worlds are more believable than any bullshit you libcucks trying to push today, casting baboon looking negnogs and ugly strong independant women

>>213424911
That’s the point, people do make dumbass mistakes like that.

>>213429939
>bug scum blew up his home and killed his family.

you fell for the propaganda.

>>213429996
>russians are nazi now

sometimes i think i live in some Sliders' episode

Why did the bugs kill the mormon dreamer immigrants instead of giving them food, shelter, health insurance and voting rights?
NO ONE IS ILLIEGAL

Fucking nazi bugs
PUNCH NAZI BUGS

>>213424622
/thread

>>213425296
What was your counter argument, that he argues like a woman? These movies are hyperbolic, making the robot fall down the stairs is a comedic exaggeration of the reality of corners being cut, communication not happening, and money being wasted frivolously within weapons development. We do waste billions of dollars developing war machines that just don’t end up working, so in this movie Verhoeven made comedy of that by making an expensive robot fall down the stairs. Anon is right, you didn’t get it. You’re too easily offended to think straight.

>>213429917
>you do nothing to prove it IRL apart from destroying property, looting stores and burning buildings that has nothing to do with "social justice"
it has everything to do with social justice.
the mostly peaceful protests were an expression of anger from people who are sick and tired of living in an oppressive, cruel, unfair, unjust, fascist, white supremacist system.
people are tired of being mistreated simply for having wrong shade of skin or being born into the wrong income bracket.
everyone has a limit. because of constant mistreatment and the selective deafness of the privileged whites. some poc have no choice but to turn to violence. no one will hear them if they don't, no one will care if they don't.

>>213425698
Nobody said the humans were pure evil, what was shown was them becoming crazed and dying by the million rushing jnto battle

you should go look up the reviews from when this movie came out, its funny how so many people did not understand it was satirical.
I wonder if media literacy is just way up from back then?

reminder that this is the type of person that unironically uses the term "media literacy"

forgot pic

>>213425978
>>213429140
He doesn’t think good is evil and evil is good, he just showed humanity going berserk and getting themselves killed after becoming so fucked up from dealing with these bugs

>>213430113
>robot fall down the stairs is a comedic exaggeration of the reality of corners being cut
>ACKSCHUALLY EVERYTHING MUST BE A HYPERBOLE OR A METAPHORE

have a subtle penis reference here, dorkhead

>>213430188
its a perfectly cromulent word.

poltards just hate it because its often used to insult them

>>213425128
Okay Moshe

>robot fall down the stairs is a comedic exaggeration of the reality of corners being cut
>ACKSCHUALLY EVERYTHING MUST BE A HYPERBOLE OR A METAPHORE

have a subtle penis reference here, dorkhead

>>213430219
3/10 bait
DO BETTER

>>213426238
It showed the discipline and respect for others of the society

>>213430238
try to be more media literate in the future.

>>213430237
Well those elements of the movie are about private weapons development, in-universe. Hell even any conservative who has knowledge of cancelled or silly military projects should get a kick out of the type of bungle depicted in the movie

>/tv/
>FASCIST! FASCIST! FASCIST!
>YOU ARE A FASCIST! HAHA!

>>213430397
be nice to them, they've had it rough lately
please understand...

>>213430389
>>213430389
dumb robot just fell cuz he is a dumb robot

arachnids are a swarm of dumb bugs cuz they are arachnids

there is no message here
you just see what you want to see

Two questions you have to ask yourself, and you have to be honest with yourself. You don’t have to answer out loud, but ask the yourself
- Do I agree with America’s foreign policy regarding the Middle East and the wars we’ve participated in there?
- Do i actually like Fox News enough to protect it from this parody?
And finally
- Do you think our participation in war in the Middle East, has in some part fucked us as Americans up as people?

>>213430835
television and film?

>>213430939
Conceptual questions regarding this movie’s themes and intent, for those who choose to take a political lens

>>213430979
Yes Ivan we know you are raiding
No Ivan we won't take the bait

>>213431009
Is your brain just fried or what? I mean I know people fight about Starship Troopers in these threads but it seems like you’re just frustrated with everyone due to exhaustion

>>213422631 (OP)
It’s quite ironic that people espousing media literacy aren’t capable of grasping that people are aware of the satire and just don’t care.

>>213431179
there is like 5-9% of real satirical material in this movie
90% of it is just a cheesy dumb action flick

i hate reddit

>>213423652
kek, this literally flied over the head of most chuds.

>>213431322
>flied over
just like that asteroid over Buenos Aires

>>213431128
No Ivan we won't waste my time with you
Yes Ivan we know you are raiding

Is Ivan in the room with you now?

>>213431453
Yes, child, you will
No, child, you do not.
No, child, there is no Ivan here
No, child, there is no raiding, these are yet more of your criminal delusions.

Enjoy prison, stalker. We. Will.

My name is Sergey btw

>>213431492
>>213431562
>>213431736
Yes Ivan we know you're raiding.

>>213429391
>>213429496
>fags walking around naked around kids during Pride
>niggers starting fistfights at KFC
>grey urban sprawl

>>213429917
>buy
Boomer spergout