It's the greatest TV show ever aired on American television. What a masterpiece of storytelling.

>>213428061 (OP)
DICKIN GRANNY

I have two complains
1. The worst thing he does in the whole show is in the pilot, he killed a clean cop to cover his ass
2. It turns into looney tunes shit in last seasons the way he just keeps getting away with it

>>213428112
What does granny pussy taste like?
>>213428130
The worst thing he did is not killing a fucking piece of shit rat (not a "clean" cop) who wanted to send him and his team to life in prison but betraying Ronnie instead of running away together and leading an emotionally annihilated Shane to kill his family with his threats.

>>213428172
Cop that exposes dirty cops is a clean cop

>>213428220
No, no matter the justification or the moral indignation they feel, turning rat prevents you from being totally clean. It wasn't evil to kill someone who's trying to put you away for life, even if you're a dirty cop. At most, Vic took money from hood niggers and controlled the violence and that's that. Hardly so evil that he must be taken down. The show constantly beats you over the head with how competent the Strike Team are at keeping peace on the streets and violence only erupts each time they're fucked with or put on the backburner.

>>213428172
He's pissing all over us!

>NOOOO I CAN'T RUN TO MEXICO AND LIVE IN A FARMHOUSE WITH A HOT MAMACITA TAKING CARE OF ME AND THE HECKIN ANIMALS I LOVE!!
>I WANT TO GO TO JAIL AND BE RAPED BY ANTWON MITCHELL THE NIGGER WITH THE FAGGOT NIGGER SON
What was his problem?

>>213428277
>It wasn't evil to kill someone who's trying to put you away for life, even if you're a dirty cop.
replace dirty cop with a murderer, he would be evil to kill a cop that tried to put him in jail. Your whole argument stands on the idea that dirty cop is just a regular joe that didnt do nothing and sending him to jail would be unjust. That is simply not true

Show is pretty fucking retarded to be honest

>>213428498
>He may be a drug dealing murderer high on power but he gets results damn it!

>>213428498
Vic only showed his true evil self when it came to how his actions led to his own team having their lives destroyed
>Lem murdered by Shane
>Shane commits suicide and kills his wife and two children
>Ronnie trusts Vic and is sent to life in prison as he cries out in despair while being dragged away like an animal
That's when you knew he was evil. Terry had to go and most people, fucked up or not, could sympathize for Vic looking out for his own team when all they've seen him do is be a blue collar pop working the system to make gains for him and his family when he knows the war on gangs/drugs is futile. they didn't show him do anything evil before killing Terry and Terry wanting to put Vic away just to further his own career with a smile, not caring about the weight of that decision, didn't make people root for him. I certainly didn't. That's that nuance that made The Shield such a masterpiece DESU

IN THE SWELTERING HOT SUMMER OF 2003
DAVID R. ACEVEDA WAS RAPED

>>213428296
This. He deserved that grenade.

>>213428587
Shane did nothing wrong. He loved Lem but he would not risk going to jail and destroying his family (i know, i know) just because Lem was being an idiot. He was right to do it and would have gotten away with it if not for miscounting the grenades.

>>213428507
>need some extra drama?
>just add rape!
BRAVO Sutter

>>213428845
t. sucked dick like a cell bitch

>>213428859
Bring in The Cuddler.

What would society be like if we replaced the prison system with a dull boring office setting where prisoners are forced to write 10 page essays every single day?

>>213428948
I say this with all seriousness, this would rehabilitate millions. I work a job like this with DEI hires and women and I feel deathly suicidal every waking moment of every day.

>>213428948
He’s going to prison. The ICE lady said she was setting him up to fail and was going to ride his ass hard.

>>213429450
He has no power over the Feds. Realistically, they'd tear his deal up after he nabbed Beltran and say they don't give a shit about ironclad. They would've used him then disposed of him for daring to swindle them.

PREVIOUSLY ON THE SHIELD

>>213428220
he wasn't clean, he broke the law multiple times trying to bust them

>>213429537
are the rumors true?

>>213429483
It’s retarded writing, and it’s dumb to think a cop who knows the playbook understands you can say and promise nearly anything to get a confession. Deals do exist, but no feds are going to allow one that includes immunity multiple high profile unsolved murders on US soil for a few kilos of drugs. I get the parallels between his actions and the feds but that doesn’t make the premise less retarded.

>>213429615
I was of the opinion that while the show always skewed logic for drama, as all shows do, it's truly bad in the finale as Vic's deal is a huge suspension of disbelief and then Ronnie being arrested and send to life in prison on....glorified hearsay.

>>213428277
You’re retarded. Covering up a crime and covering up police corruption, is police corruption.

>>213428538
‘Just looking out for your team and family’, dude you have zero sense of law and what a crime is

>>213429565
Yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8IRqCJVkOo&ab_channel=Adele-Topic

>>213429652
It’s a good show, but it’s not top tier. I’d put it above breaking bad.

>>213428061 (OP)
Who would win in a fight: Jack Bauer or Vic Mackey?

>>213430499
Oh, even with its huge flaws, it's still the best show I've ever seen. Better than BB, Sopranos or The Wire. Only TDS1 and S2 come close.

>>213429565
fraid so

>>213430797
>elite of the elite of the elite that toppled/kidnapped/worked directly for presidents, toyed with glowies and rekt highly competent terrorists vs LA human garbageman
hard choice

>>213428617
He didn't miscount. He intentionally held back one of the grenades. He got caught because Vic read Kavanaugh's final report and learned that Shane wasn't followed the night Lem died.

>>213428617
He cheated on his wife multiple times with underaged prostitutes of color, and the whole criminal witha badge thing

>>213431123
>LE HECKIN UNDERAGE CHEATING
lol
the only thing he did wrong was not fucking over Vic with the money train stash and being so goddamn obedient. he had the key and could've taken the money and had them all killed when they were treating him like shit

>>213431204
Shane was utterly retarded and could never have made it on his own, as the show goes to great lengths to convey to us. His flaw was not that he was "so goddamn obedient", it's that he wasn't obedient enough and always thought of himself as better than he is.

He had a big brother/ small brother complex going on with Vic and always wanted to prove himself, but each time he went on his own, he got himself in worse trouble than before, practically pleading for Vic to bail him out, until Vic couldn't deal with his baggage anymore.

Shane's biggest flaw and downfall was hubris and pride. Mara only exacerbated that by putting the notion in his head that they "don't need Vic". Well, she finally got her wish.

>>213428172
Ronnie…

>>213431361
He did pretty well with the Armenian double cross until Diro fucked things up and he had the connections and the smart as evident by that storyline. Antwon was a different story sure but he wasn't a novice dirty cop.

>Ronnie...
https://www.tiktok.com/@striketeam009/video/7533317201936387359

>>213431549
what the hell was this guys problem, he was just a lackey doing whatever he was told even if it would hurt him. all the people Vic surrounds himself with are useless and have daddy issues so he can manipulate them

>>213431523
Yes, even with Army, when he separated from the Strike Team originally, Shane managed to set-up connections and extortion schemes at the outset. But these are tricks and skills he learned from Vic, and when shit hit the fan and something went wrong, he was not able to handle the situation, because he does not possess the same tenacity and cat-like maneuverability that Vic does.

The Armenian double cross also went south, because he single-handedly implicated Vic and himself in the Armenian train robbery, because of his impulsiveness, which is not the first time it got him into trouble. He has only himself to blame for that situation.

>>213431549
>you’re under arrest
>for what?
>the last 3 years
That’s a good one liner surprise they gave it to Dutch

>>213428061 (OP)
What's with all the Shield threads lately? Is everyone just discovering it on Tubi?

>>213431890
Yes. You can only shitpost so much soprano content

>>213431890
Shield is /tv/ heritage. SUCK IT should be on the Mount Rushmore with Bane and Sneed

>>213431890
i noticed it too, some dude dedicated himself to hype posting about it for a good couple days, awhile back. either he was an old fan or found it from here. but the hype train lasted a bit and im sure a lot of anons who never heard of it checked it out due to his efforts.

>>213431669
Ronnie's trust of Vic was completely plot contrivance as in earlier seasons he was always the quiet doubter and was ready to roll on Lem the moment he was picked up and always said Lem was going to rat. In fact, the ending should've been the quiet background character fucking over the main guy Vic which he never saw coming.
>>213431843
Shane implicating himself in the money train grab was stupid sure but he really showed some real smarts with how he played Diro and Rezian. It also is sad how he was much more empathetic and decent of a man the more he was away from Vic. Vic ruined all of their lives.

>>213431843
Yes, the pinnacle of empathy being killing your own best friend to save your ass. Something that Vic would not have done by the way (No, killing Terry and potentially killing Lem are not the same things, and Vic would not have carried out the latter)

>>213432024
Wrong @
Replying to >>213431965

>>213432024
>Vic wouldn't have killed Lem
the series beats you over the head that Vic has no line to cross considering he was about to gun down Shane and his child and his wife who was pregnant to save himself. He betrayed Ronnie and would've killed Lem if he was in that situation. He was pure evil and if you missed that, rewatch it but with your brain turned on.

>>213432055
>local street gang blown up by hand grenade
>police discover international shipping operation importing explosives
>crooked cop on the run blown up with a hand grenade in the 2000s
>DHS
>lets let the locals handle this one

>>213432055
It's you that needs to turn your brain on, because you are the one who cannot comprehend moral complexity, or what is being shown for you on screen.

Saying Vic is "pure evil" just reeks of one dimensional reddit-tier herd morality. I think you need to watch Harry Potter, where the delineations are simpler with bad "evil" wizards and "good" wizards, something that children like you can more easily understand.

The Shield actually beats you over the head with the opposite. The reason Ronnie and the rest of the team trust Vic, is because Vic has done nothing but to gain their trust throughout the seasons due to his actions.

Vic was ready to fall on his shield for Ronnie in season 2, not in a life or death situation, but just because he was ashamed in having to force Ronnie to recant his statement so that he could save his own ass. Vic also presses his lawyer Rebecca, with no one else around, that if she can find a way to swap him and Lem, when Lem was detained and being sent to prison by IAD, she should do it. Vic is incredibly generous with the money train spoils and when he needs money for his autistic son, he leaves it up for the rest of the team to decide whether or not he should be allowed to, instead of just taking money as he saw fit. Vic also did not sign the immunity deal when being told that it did not feature Ronnie. He did it ONLY after his wife was (as far as he was aware) going to be prosecuted and potentially left in jail, thus singing on for her immunity.

Did he betray Ronnie? Yes, he chose his wife, the mother of his kids, over him. You may dislike the decision and that's fine, but saying Vic has a hierarchy of interests and priorities with his family being #1, is different than saying "Vic is just muh evil guy".

If Vic was simply an evil guy, the show would have never been as interesting as it was. The moral ambiguity is what makes it so unique. Vic was not a saint, but he did care about his team and his family

>>213432326
Lol, you're like a wrestling mark. No, Vic was pure evil and Shane's letter BTFO's your entire drivel.

>>213432365
Not an argument

>>213432365
nta, but this reply was the death knell for you unfortunately. I was anticipating your reply, but you just rolled over and got btfo instead.
weak.

>>213432464
>>213432429
>samefagging schizo loser
Pathetic. KWAB.

>>213432326
I’ve heard this show described as a bad cop with a complex morality falling to complete evil. They do this better then breaking bad, but not as good as tony sopranos or a huge overarching theme of the wire,
He is not a le morally complex charecter because he’s nice sometimes while doing terrible things the next scene. He’s a good charecter, but not that deep.

>>213432482
I just told you I'm not that anon

>>213432326
>but he did care about his team and his family
and the streets too. his brutal policing actually works. the way they could roll up to a criminal and not have them be a "snitch" telling them information. but actually telling them real shit going down because they're intimidated as fuck and basically treat these guys as a gang not to fuck with.
that type of policing is the only effective way that they can get correct intel on stuff that is going down, and quickly respond to it. pushing papers and the bureaucracy of policing is the gay burnout part. the strike force is actually attempting to punish and clamp down on the people who are making the community shittier.
they make money too fuck it, their police force and dayjob is dead weight and the actionable shit they do, theyre not getting paid enough by the state for it.

>>213432864
>corrupt abusive police forces are beneficial for society!
You sound like one of those 'dont tread on me' bootlickers who think nothing will ever happen to them because youre a 'good guy'.

>>213428296
A life where you're always looking over your shoulder would fucking suck, and Mexico is a shithole. He was ready to do his bit like a man, but Vic fucked it up and got him exploded.

>>213433486
no i just know there are autistic with a good sense to take fascist/direct action and take stuff into their own hands.
if i was in that position for example where i could act "with immunity" like they do for a period, with my target being to stop crime. i could easily come up with strategies, solutions, tactics, for days and days. and i'd love to practice them, train them, and then do them.
not everyone is a fucking retard, man. i could actually do plenty of good kicking doors down but the kike state doesnt want problems to be solved, or smart people to be police officers. they want dumb goons that just take orders and have no initiative, and its no wonder you hate them when theyre like that.
also execute corrupt cops, etc. traitor to the "warrior gang" whatever.

>>213431669
>all the people Vic surrounds himself with are useless and have daddy issues so he can manipulate them
Unironicly this, IIRC Shawn Ryan said that all of the Strike Team members cane from broken families, so that's why they were so loyal to eachother.

>>213431945
>anons who never heard of it checked it out due to his efforts.
Literally me

>previously on the Sheild
hot rookie has to carry the gay penis.

>>213428061 (OP)
DID HE SUCK

>>213428296
Because Lem saw first hand what happened to Ben Gilroy
It was never an answer

>>213429551
PROTIP: Every single cop on the show is a dirty cop.

They are just dirty in different ways. Whether it's vending machine fuckery or up to and including murder.

When you realise this, you will enjoy the show a whole lot more. The show is basically about how easily human beings are corrupted.
>and before you ask, yes even Claudette, because she turns a blind eye too many times