>well received by critics, diehard fans and casuals
>both are projected to do well at the box office
The super hero genre depended on these two films, and they will live to survive another day.

>>213441563 (OP)
Marvel is only focusing on putting out money makers like Spider Man and Avengers.

>>213441563 (OP)
Bro F4 crashed and burned , its doing dogshit domestic and overseas
Weapons its unironically going to kill F4 lmao

>>213441563 (OP)
Everything is going to be OK :)

>>213441563 (OP)
F4 is perfoming like Brave New World..

>>213441639
>if I keep saying it flooped, it will flop for real!

They're both projected to earn 3 billion by the end of the week. They may be the most successful films ever created.

>>213441639
>>213441676
It’s projected to make 520 million.

>>213441686
What do you mean? It dropped 67% and has not recovered it's going to be overtaken freakier friday and won't pass 500m

>>213441563 (OP)
No. Only Superman is doing well and building an audience. F4 having the biggest second weekend drop for a Marvel movie with no competition is not good. Especially when they need it to build interest for Doomsday. Even worse there is nothing coming out now until Doomsday. Spider Man is doing its own thing unrelated

>>213441756
>520 million.
>Good
If it even makes that

>>213441786
>lalalala it will flop! IT WILL FLOP! DISREGARD THAT I'M TRANS!

>>213441756
>520m
its already lower lmao

>>213441829
You okay?

>>213441563 (OP)
I liked both of them enough. Which, considering how negative and shitty my attitude was going in, is a pretty solid achievment.
I still hate the superhero genre now because it's played-out, hackneyed and shitty, but that's mainly just mainline marvel slowly going up in flames.

>>213441563 (OP)
The box isn't great for either
>superman
>prod budget 225 million
>2.5x means 562.5
>currently at 559
Superman is making it's break even target, congrats. Superman's marketing budget was supposedly only 100, so it's likely already hit that margin. It's (going to be) profitable, but it's nothing to wave your flag about
>Fantastic four
>200,000 budget
>2.5x means 500
>current box office 378
F4 probably needs to find some help. Since schools start next week

>>213441563 (OP)
Fantastic Four is just not as cool as a concept, it will always fail on the big screen.

>>213441563 (OP)
im not sure why they continued to make comic book movies after endgame. every movie has lost them money since then

>>213442594
The good early F4 stories that would get audiences interested where rehashed into the first 3 Guradians of the Galaxy films back when the MCU didn't own the rights to them. Adam Warkock, High Evolutionary, Ronan the Accuser are all Fantastic Four characters.

>>213442427
Your take is pretty stupid. Superman movie was all about rebuilding the Superman brand. People working at DC have always said, if Superman is viewed positively so is the DC brand. That’s how important Superman is to DC. This movie already the biggest domestics Superman movie ever with great word of mouth that will led huge digital views. Those are all the things you want when rebuilding a brand. Only thing that kept Superman from making over 700 million is China shutting out all capeshit. Which is just the new reality now

>>213443161
>lost them money
There are a few that made money, but they're the exceptions.
The overall, its been diminishing returns since throwing out black widow, Shang, and Eternals as lock down era. Start with strange
>strange multi 955 box office
>Thor love 760.9
>Shuri Panther 859.2
Nothing hitting a billion in non-spidy mcu but it's still profitable. However, all three were shitty movies and general audiences could tell.
>antman 476.1
First true flop
>Guardians 845.6
Back in the black, but it's also the swan song for the Guardians.
>the marvels 206.1
Box office disaster
>Deadpool and wolverine 1.338 billion
First marvel owned mcu movie post covid to hit a billion and it barely plays with the rest
>captain America 415.1
Flop
>thunderbolts 382.4
Flopped

>>213441563 (OP)
>>both are projected to do well at the box office
Mein Fuhrer... Fantastic Four is...

>>213444062
>Only thing that kept Superman from making over 700 million is China shutting out all capeshit.
Do you honestly think SUPERMAN was going to do 100 million in china?
Talk about delusional.
Superman still isn't profitable, and probably won't be.

>>213441563 (OP)
I can't believe Superman is still making money and basically won over Jurassic World in the states...i think its over for Marvel.

>>213441756
Its not gonna make it and i say that as someone that liked it.

>>213444194
Sure Jeet...sure...

>>213444194
Superman is projected to end its run at 630-650 million. MOS made 60
million in China which would put this movie over 700 million. That’s just China. All capeshit this year had under performed overseas. Not even up for dispute the US trade war is a major factor and capeshit being singled out as American

Pedro sisters...

>>213444322
I wonder if that is because now people outside of the US have a clear peadophiliac bad guy in the White House vs having a hidden peadophiliac bad guy in the White House...

IT'S PEDROVER

>>213444340
Oh wow...I think Dwayne really the changed the Hierarchy of power...in the MCU....

>>213441563 (OP)
They both flopped. The vast majority of capeslop has flopped over the last 6 years. The collapse is more entertaining than the movies themselves.

>>213444340
Bring back BLAK Adam and the real Captain Marvel(Shazam for u movie-only normies)

>>213444322
Anon, it's bombing everywhere internationally, china wasn't't going to be the exception.
And it's not doing another 80-100 million.

>>213444340
>>213444395
are you saying zoomers really didnt like the heckin ebin girlboss sue storm singlehandedly defeating galactus???

>>213444395
>>213444340
Why was this mehico man mr fantastic when Glenn Howarton was right there

>>213444487
because at some point during the casting, someone said "lets go with non-white people instead", so be glad it didnt ended up being another blackwash

>>213444385
Pic related certainly didn’t help. But whatever. Fact it’s doing well in the US is a positive. Nothing you can do about seething countries

>>213444461
>$0.10 has been deposited into your Disney Plus account

>>213444487
Because the world outside your window is wetbacks in space

>>213444486
>Spic Reed
>Bogged out hag Sue
>Silver Surfette
The movie was DOA, obvious to everyone but Disney suits

>>213444687
>>Silver Surfette
If you watched the movie you could tell why it was needed. The sexual tension between Johnny and Shalla was the main reason why Johnny was able to connect with her and convince her to turn on Galactus.

>>213441563 (OP)
The Amazing Spiderman 2 fucking mogs these 2 and that was considered a giga flop back then. Capeshit is dead

>>213444960
But I'm not going to watch it because she's a woman. Oh, the ironing

>>213444988
Wait until Doomsday

>>213445022
There's no reason to believe that Coomsday won't flop too

>>213444988
Are you retarded? Spider Man is the biggest selling capeshit character period! Last one made almost two billion dollars. TASM2 was never considered a flop, just low for Spider Man

>>213445042
No say it won’t. Production budget at the lowest is 450 million with many saying it’s going to get close to 800 million total. Zero buildup for it and China is out of the capeshit game

11 months until super girl
and then Spiderman a month later, then clay face, then avengers, then spiderverse I guess, then the Batman part 2, then avengers,
I assume a dcu movie for 2027 will be announced at some point?

>>213444618
>>213444516
Nigga Pedro is basically white he was just poor casting

>Being Kevin Feige
>Going half cocked against the Man Of Steel.

>>213445321
>Pedro is white
Shalom aleichem>>213445288

>take movies that are flopping
>pretend that they are runaway successes
>pretend that everyone but you has an agenda
>infinite (you) hack

>>213445288
Gunn’s game plan was rebuild the Superman brand with Superman. Try to get the female demo with Supergirl and then team them all up for likely a “Justice Gang” movie. With Superman having a cameo in Peacmaker its obviously the route he’s going

>>213445321
>Basically white
That's not how whiteness works

>>213444516
I don't even think this was the result of le wokies, Pedro Pascal is hot shit right now for some reason and Feige is desperate. It's the same reason why Joseph Quinn was also miscast, as he's well known from Stranger things

>>213442594
Incredibles stole the F4 concept and absolutely mogged them.
Marvel just doesn't do good group superhero movies outside of avengers.
Gunn could do it, but he's DC now.

>>213445784
>Pedro Pascal is hot shit right now
Not anymore!

>>213445859
I think you’re right. Without Iron Man even The Avengers movies would fall apart. Look how bad it’s gone to shit without him

>>213445784
Pedro was never a draw.

>mfw Avengers is the last chance for capeshit
>if it underperforms they'll finally have to scale back both the quantity of flicks and their budgets

>>213441563 (OP)
>Both are box office flops.
>Fantastic Four is a bigger flop with a smaller budger.
>Superman is a smaller flop with a bigger budger.
>Both movies don't get a direct sequel.

>>213442427
Superman has the $363 million production budget and it's a box office flop.

>>213441639
>Both are box office flops.
>Fantastic Four is a bigger flop with a smaller budget.
>Superman is a smaller flop with a bigger budget.
>Both movies don't get a direct sequel.

>>213441686
>flooped
>t. retard.

>>213445777
Yes it it Irish weren’t white 80 years ago

>>213444486
>singlehandedly defeating galactus???
What a stupid little faggot you are.
You know we have all seen the rip of silver surfer turning on him, right?
BUT OH NO SHE'S A WOMAN!!!
Just shut the fuck up with your deliberate investigations and meritless shit flinging. We get it, you're a cynical retard on the anonymous hentai forum. Nobody is fucking impressed with you.
I would love to bounce your fucking head off the concrete your troglodyte faggot little pussy.

>>213444487
I actually don't think he has the acting chops for it. Don't ever expect to see him leading s blockbuster franchise.

>>213446471
>>flooped
>>t. retard.

The Marvels, Thunderbolts and Captain America 4 were well received by critics, diehard fans and casuals. It didn't stop them from being commercial flops.

>>213441686
>>213446471
FLOOP IS A MADMAN! HELP US SAVE US!

I just discovered today The Flash only made 271 million. Holy fuck what a bomb, I thought it was bad but like 350 or so.
That was catastrophic.

>Girls get it done.
>She;s not alone.

>>213446848
>Capeshit needs to have it's third act fights at night again.

>>213446761
It really sucks because The Flash was actually good. It was pure Ezra boycott that tanked the movie

>>213441563 (OP)
>projected to do well at the box office
they are doing half of what other movies were doing last summer.

>>213441563 (OP)
Superman is doing well but not sure about F4. The big drop last week wasn't a joke. Maybe casting Pedro was a big mistake.

I was wrong when I predicted Superman would flop, earning only $400 million, considering that DC is a damaged brand. And DCU has a growing number of fans, especially among gen z.

>>213446498
Irish were resented for coming in such large numbers during the famine but they were always white, both legally and otherwise

>>213441797
>Only Superman is doing well and building an audience
How? In what universe is it a success?

>>213446848
Ultimate Alliance cutscenes looked better than this slop

>>213447052
>Maybe casting Pedro was a big mistake.
protect the dolls, go broke

>>213447052
>I was wrong when I predicted Superman would flop, earning only $400 million, considering that DC is a damaged brand
"DC is a damaged brand" which is why Reeves Batman got $772 million in 2022 the pandemic excuses notwithstanding. Gunncultists think he Suicide squad 2 being a commercial bomb restored the brand in 2021.

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>>213447226
Lucius Pascal has great genes.

>>213446648
u mad?

SHARE YOUR SUPERHERO WISHLIST!

> Scorpion is a serious threat, has a suit ideally extremely close to pic related and is not made to intentionally look silly/cheap.

maybe movies are just too expensive to make too, havent you thought about it? so no wonder they keep losing money despite good reviews and all that shit

>>213447591

>>213447619
>>213447591

>>213447591
>SUPERHERO WISHLIST
Grow up

>>213446673
Oh I see k don’t understand acting at all when people say Christian bake was a good Batman I don’t get it he just did a shitty voice the whole time

>>213441563 (OP)
superman's goal was 500 mill and to rebuild trust in the character and brand, similiar to batman begins, it was a success and we will be seeing more of this version going forward

f4 on the other hand

>>213446437
>Both movies don't get a direct sequel.
Huh?

>>213449437
The movie cost $225M to make
Breakeven is $450M assuming zero dollars spent on marketing (lol)
Let’s pretend Superman had the lowest marketing budget of any summer tentpole since the fing Flintstones and call it $25M (it’s usually closer to $150M but ok)
Total investment = $250M
Movie ends at $600M WW, which sounds like a win until you realize theaters and foreign distributors eat 55–60% of that
Studio keeps maybe 45% tops -> $600M x 0.45 = $270M
So best case scenario = $20M in actual profit after two years of tying up $250M in capital
That’s a whopping 3.9% annual return
You would have made more money stuffing the $250M in a fing Chase high-yield CD
And that’s before taxes, talent residuals, backend points, or the studio’s creative accounting
“b-but muh brand equity”
Congrats, you just spent a quarter billion dollars to net less than a Wawa
based
kino
greenlight the sequel

>>213444083
>all three were shitty movies
Love and Thunder was absolute shit and deserved all the hate it got, MoM was decent and the only thing saving it was Sam Raimi. Wakanda Forever was a solid movie with a bad 3rd half and went on too long.

>>213441563 (OP)
Even if they break even (which I'm skeptical of) they're still flops because they failed to meet the expectations set on them by the studios.

What's the point of investing money in this crap if you'll just get your money back? Might as well put the money in a savings account, bonds, index funds, etc. and watch your money grow.

More importantly: It's just downhill from here. Superman was the flagship title, all the other crap that will come afterwards will not perform nearly as well.

It was just generic capeslop maybe 2.5 out of 5, there's no real reason it's doing well.

Enough with the box office talk. The real success for us, the viewers, is that both movies are the best superhero shit both studios have put out in a long time. Best Superman of the 21st century, best Marvel film in 5 years.

>>213451331
Can’t wait for next one. Being on the Justice Gang

>>213447682
>Posts on 4chan
Grow up.

>>213447227
Kek Gunnjeets BTFO

>>213451331
SquirrelMan is bog standard petty Gunn slop.

>>213441829
>I'M TRANS!
we know

>>213451331
This
I thoroughly enjoyed both movies

The biggest sign this thing is a flop

>here's your Supergirl, bro

Should I go alone to to Superman right now?

>>213441563 (OP)
Serious question here, and i hope somebody can give me a logical answer:

Why the fuck do studios insist on continuing to make movie with characters no one gives a fuck about?

Hmmmmm, how did pic related earn $1.3B?? HMM I WONDER. D&W is a hard lesson in practicality. Put cool well established characters in a movie and have them act super badass the whole time.

And yes, the vibes DO matter, not some formula or a list of criteria to check off. It oozes cool and badass, yet also funny (cool-funny, not cringe-funny). Yeah, so surprise surprise that nobody feels like seeing "Fantastic Snore" and "Superfag."

>>213454470
If you want
Its a movie that makes you feel good after watching it

>>213451063
>3rd half
what did anon mean by this?

>>213454473
yeah but most people didnt know Deadpool was until he was in a movie. even online he seemed pretty obscure until xmen origins

>>213454473
>Why the fuck do studios insist on continuing to make movie with characters no one gives a fuck about?
In this case it’s just Jame Gunn wanting to do his classic niche characters. During the last years of the DCEU it was office politics preventing the use of Henry. As for the MCU they’ve always been introducing “new” characters, Ant-man/Dr.Strange. Kevin just started digging into the ones even comic fags don’t like such as Riri.

>>213444062
>Only thing that kept Superman from making over 700 million is China shutting out all capeshit.
Massive fucking cope lmao
It barely broke even because it sucked

>>213454524
Awesome. I will go see it

>>213441797
>doing well
Barely paid itself
>and building an audience
Oh great I loved Superman so next I can watch...Supergirl? Who gives a shit about that, even with Lobo in the movie. You are 100% right about FF and the rest.

Capeshit is dead and that's a good thing.

>>213454470
I saw it alone. it was great

>>213454473
Because those movies with characters you think nobody cares about are setup. If the movie just makes its money back or nearly they don't really care. They're build up for the movies that make billions. They keep the series fresh in your mind and build momentum for the climax. The problem becomes when there is no climax movie

>cucks lex luthor in your path
jimmy GODS just keep winning

>>213442427
Don't forget they spent another 200 million on marketing, usually it's 100-150 but """insiders""" and leaks keep telling it was 200, that they really went beyond the normal to put the DC brand out there, which I don't doubt.

>>213454473
>Why the fuck do studios insist on continuing to make movie with characters no one gives a fuck about?
studios noticed. notice how the only marvel movies planned next year are spider man and avengers, then after that its x men, doctor strange and black panther. Shang Chi 2 and Blade are never happening.

>>213454731
I think consumers and the audience are just tapped out on patience for "setup". The first MCU movie came out almost 20 years ago. They need to just get to the point already in ONE movie. Nobody wants to wait 5-10 years for Dr Doom or Brainiac to show up.

Captcha: YSHAM (why sham?)

>>213454717
The amount of stupid is unreal. Who owns DC and the Superman brand all merchandise? WB! If the movie gets people interested in Superman again, mission accomplished. Supergirl is obviously trying to appeal to female demo. Will it succeed? No idea. But if does that brings in a bigger audience when they team her up with Superman.

>>213455148
Too bad, they're doing it anyway. Imagine watching Endgame and suddenly some woman blows up Thanos' ship and you're like who the fuck was that because there was no Captain Marvel movie. Imagine they had no time travel heist plan because they never bothered making the Ant Man movies

>>213441563 (OP)
>letting the imperial power fantasy continue

sex with engineer-chan

>>213455510
Ah... Oh no... Please no..
my brain can't handle such complex concepts as "time travel" and "mystery bitches". Ahhhh please explain every detail over 10 hours of runtime so that i dont go insane!!

What you're describing is borderline homework and can be summed up in like a 3-minute flashback or montage. Brevity is the soul of wit, and y'all capeslop niggas are draggin this muhfucka out longer thana bitch, got-dam!