The Babylon project was our last.. BEST hope for peace. A self-contained world, five miles long, located in neutral territory. A place of commerce and diplomacy for a quarter of a million humans and aliens. A shining beacon in space. All alone in the night..

It was the dawn of the third age of Mankind, the year the great war came upon us all. This is the story of the last of the Babylon stations. The year is 2259. The name of the place.. is

Babylon 5.

What happened to the first 4 babylons

Humans and aliens wrapped in 2,500,000 tons of spinning metal, all alone in the night.

>>213459759
I prefer the season 2 intro desu, but the first one is fantastic too.

>>213459773
Ehh I think the intro voiceover is something Sinclair actually does have over Sheridan. Which is rare

>>213459723 (OP)
the centauri were infetterrent.

>>213459734
1-3 were sabotaged during construction, 4 got pulled through time.

Londo Mollari is on par with Dukat and Scorpious in terms of "characters you love to hate"

My favourite episode is when the rabbi visits and delivers a sermon from the Torah. Then the station's second in command performs a Jewish ritual. It was awesome.

>>213460103
meds

>>213459734
What happened to Babylons 6-10?

>>213460205
>babylon 5 was the last of the babylon stations, there would never be another
there's no way of knowing

>>213459759
All needing to be asked the essential question, what do they want?

>>213460102
Londo is a tragic figure and should not be hated. He was a good man pushed to the edge with his final arc being they fucked around now they are going to find out.

>>213460310
He was only tragic in his delusions. The Centauri were doing very well and there was no reason to go on some spree of reconquista again. He was like any old boomer who longs for the old days, forgetting that there are many good reasons why those days are gone and need to stay gone.

I never understood how there was such a thriving prolific underworld on the station replete with unmonitored lawless slums. There's not infinite space and it'd cost 5-10x more to live on a space station than it would on a planet because of the extra cost involved moving water and food and housing restrictions and necessary tax for maintenance. Eventually these criminals and drug addicts would be tearing the ship apart from the inside to sell the pieces for scrap.

Like did no one ever sit down and say "hey, this space station we built for trade and diplomacy to be a showcase for the galaxy is slowly filling up with an impoverished troublesome underclass that's taking up our extremely limited space, for their own good lets clear out these rats and set up more monitoring in less secure parts of the station so all these crazy fucking murders and terrorist attacks stop happening?"

At least in DS9 the lawlessness can be chalked up to the crew having inherited a station which was an old mining processor and they're in the process of refitting it. Like who the fuck approved the B5 plans with very obvious isolated sectors that would have not so much as a security camera put up in them? Why the fuck is everyone okay with little unwatched civilians have access to pathways which lead to every sensitive part of the station?

>>213460390
>Anon discovers bureaucratic inefficiency, greed and corruption

>>213460390
>I never understood how there was such a thriving prolific underworld on the station replete with unmonitored lawless slums.
I just assumed Brown sector was a pirate zone the builders of the station demanded after being shanghaied.

>>213460390
There was a Syrian guy who was legally forced to live on a tanker ship by the Egyptian government for 4 years even without electricity or running water solely because they needed someone to have legal custody of the ship after the shipping company that owned it went bankrupt while a separate legal battle was going on over the ship itself.

>>213460388
Did you even watch S1?
Centauri were getting pushed in. They were giving other races an inch and everyone was taking a mile especially the Narn. Little wonder they turned to the Shadows.
Once Londo figured out what he got himself into he tried to back away and minimize the damage but by then it was too late so he did what he could to at least steer things towards the least destructive path.
Some of the things that Londo did were monstrous yes, but it was a means to deal with even bigger monsters. Everything he did was in the best interest of the Republic.

Meanwhile G'kars arc really his coming to terms that the Narn have become the barbarian brutes that the Centauri claimed they were and trying to think of a way to change them for the better.

>>213460990
Was where they put all the Indians.

>>213461223
Eh, the Narn's actions were pretty justifiable.
G'kar basically became Jesus and went above and beyond for peace.

>>213461466
G'Kar was going to assassinate the Centauri Emperor if he didn't have a heart attack. They were routinely raiding the Centauri before that even though Centauri were previously trying to make peace. Narn got what they deserved.

>>213460257
Cum on the psychics.

>>213461223
>Narn.
i agree. they need to be recolonised for greater good.
>>213461496
>jebus ass sin
Gkar and Londo died together in a gay hug. absolute unchristian and haram.

>>213459723 (OP)
It plays out like the soap operas my aunt used to watch but in space. Corny.

>>213460390
>>213460457
>>213460990
>DS9
IIRC DS9 is pretty much a military base. Babylon 5 is a giant ass space colony , like a artificial planet. different scale and purpose?

if B5 wasn't made for diplomacy, the human feddie army could have deported the illegals immediately.

>>213461854
>IIRC DS9 is pretty much a military base
And it used to be a space concentration camp with slave labor run by paranoid Cardassians

>>213461939
*it used to be a special cultural exchange centre with Bajoran participants edified immensly, ran by maganimous Cardassians philanthropists
FTFY

>>213461939
>space concentration camp with slave labor run by paranoid Cardassians
BASED!

>>213459723 (OP)
Who is best girl of the show?
For me its picrel

>>213462121
>Hey guys, did I mention I'm a Russain Jew toady????
Delenn will always be best girl

>>213459723 (OP)
Truth nuke: Sheridan was a piss poor replacement and never lived up to Sinclair.

>>213461078
I also watched Internet Historians recent video. Fascinating event though. If they'd hooked up a generator and running water it could be cozy having a big ship all to yourself.

>>213462121
She's the worst actress in the show, bitch couldn't act her way out of a box let alone this show.

>>213459759
imagine the smell (still hot tho)

Local man cucked to death by BHC

>>213462178
>Sheridan was a piss poor replacement and never lived up to Sinclair.
A spinoff following Sinclair on his time travelling epic to becum THE ONE/not-alien-jebus would have been great.
It could have been greater than DUNE.

>>213462254
he's just like me!!!

This guy makes re-renders of some episodes including the Severed Dreams battle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpjGAHoE8Es

>>213462121
Threesome with Ivanova and Lyta.

He did nothing wrong.

>>213461939
>Muh Occuahoax
15 million Bajorans died during a sold called occupation that lasted 50 years. That's 300,000 deaths per year. In a population of 3.8billion. 1 Bajoran died per 12,666 per year. That's incredibly low.
>>213462121
Centauri women were the best.
>>213462254
Well three is the magic number for Minbari so guess being cucked is tradition.

I never realized this was a different series from Deeps Space Nine

>>213462664
Neither did my agent.

>>213462495
He predicted Ivan going crazy in 2013 and onwards.

Based Brad never gives a bad performance. If awards ceremonies weren't a joke, he'd have rooms full of trophies.

>>213459723 (OP)

President Clark did absolutely nothing wrong.

So was Londo ultimately a good guy or a bad guy?

>>213462911
A bad man with good intentions, mostly. A good man who was desperate and resorted to bad measures.

>>213462638
Seems really odd to me that Minbari would have facial hair when they don't have hair on their scalp or even eyebrows.

How come they stopped producing these low budget soap operas in space? We had DS9, Babylon 5, Battlestar, Andromeda, Stargate, Red Dwarf and a thousand others and then they suddenly disappeared

>>213462911

>>213462911
Neither. Both. Adaptable.

>>213462178
>truth nuke
TRVTH NVKE: your take is colder than refrigerated dog sick, Sinclair was a wobbly poofter and trying to imagine him bellowing
>GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR GALAXY
or ordering the Agammenon to ram that orbital defence platform makes me giggle like a schoolgirl at the absurdity of the notion. Him ending up as a buttboy for the homovegan aliens is absolutely deserved and expected. Sheridan Gang 4 lyfe yo.

>>213463027
Because nobody watches them anymore barring Trek which is coasting by its name alone and I guess The Expanse but that was because Jeff or someone was a big fan of the show/books so he himself had a personal interest in keeping it going.

Money and lack of interest, ultimately.

>>213463120
>homovegan aliens
lel

>>213463027
Ego. No seriously, too many actors & writers & producers think they're too good for this stuff, whether because of the genre("silly space stuff") or the format("it's just not *cinema* is it darling"). When syndicated episodic television was still the baseline economic model for TV they didn't have a choice, even the egofaggots eventually had to bitterly accept that they weren't talented enough/well enough connected to the Tribe to make it in films, at least from the beginning, so they took the work they could get and made the best of it.

Now though, now we have "prestige TV", streaming movies, even videogames if you can muster up a little name recognition or are happy enough doing VA work, and the economic model of TV has been completely wrecked. Even if someone wanted to make a decent episodic sci-fi drama, they'd have no way to force all the 2good4u shitheads in Hollywood to participate.

>>213462911
He was a bad guy who was capable of realising when he'd went too far, and tried to make amends

>>213463011
it's sinclair's human dna popping up.

>>213462911
a bald guy

>>213463027
Lack of talent and will mostly from actors, writers and directors. Up till the early 2000's you could pull relative no names from theatre who would give great performances and were generally big scifi nerds themselves so they enjoyed doing it. Writers are frankly one giant circlejerk these days with no life experience to draw on so they just reference older things and themselves. Directors were always a bunch of divas but back in the day they had to be far more creative with the limited resources they had so things tended to become more of a passion project.

Cost is another one as inflation has basically wiped out the ability to produce things on the cheap. Stargate famously used to film a lot of their scenes up in Canada because when you converted US dollars into Canadian it stretched the budget so much more. Round about 2008 that stopped being as viable since the exchange rates weren't as steep.

Popularity is also a major point cause due to the amount of streaming services and channels pumping out slop its really hard for them to find an audience these days. Think of how good The Expanse was for example yet how few fags heard of it?

Reminder that /tv is a GREEN board. All you purple fags piss off.

>>213464815
Is this your Drazi dose?

>>213462742
Babylon 5 probably is our future and we just don't know it. Now we need to find out who is going to nuke California?

>>213465171
California is the last bastion of sanity in America so I hope that's not the case.

The Babylon 5 thread is mother.
The Babylon 5 thread is father.

>>213465520
Gas the mundanes! Psi war now!

>>213465520
>TFW when you are such a bag of evil that an unfantomably powerful and ancient sentient warship just runs like a bitch when it gets near you.

>>213460205
you mean your mum and aunties?
how the fuck are we supposed to know?

Reboot status? Also is the cartoon worth a watch?

ooph damn, I missed a successful Bab5 thread

>>213466012
Yeah, it's cool. Lots of nods to fallen friends in universe and in real life.

>>213465907
He just had enough fiber in his diet.

Why did G'kar antagonize Picard so much? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Jc9yTtirU

>>213465907
I mean he is a bio-engineered weapon precisely made against them by an equally powerful and ancient alien race.

what do you really want?

>>213466012
Reboot: Dead
The carton telefilm: It wasn´t my cup of tea. Putting in the box with all post-Crusade material.
>>213466084
Putting a smug Frenchman is a biological imperative in all sentient life forms.

>>213462444
She loved Talia. Wrong telepath

>>213460103
>Jew
>Sexual degenerate
Checks out

>>213460205
There are some fan designs out there but nothing canon.

>>213466387

>>213466421
One might think that Minbari friendship would have lead to artificial gravity without archaic rotating cylinders.

>>213466333
Didn't she admit to being a closet lesbian in one episode and then it was never brought up again?

>>213466526
She's bisexual and that pictured episode makes it abundantly clear she was lezzing with Talia.

>>213460390
Brown was the dirty mechanical zone and probably had excess space in case expansions were needed for various purposes. People came to the station, ran out of money, and didn't have funds to leave. So they got stuck, needed somewhere to stay and found that in Brown sector there were places station personnel didn't look regularly. Once that destitute population existed, criminality popped up from within and from the outside to exploit them. Some of the legit population of the station also had elicit desires, which the criminals in Brown were happy to supply. At that point it wasn't just a matter of station security looking into every nook and cranny in Brown on a regular basis to keep the homeless out, there was a big financial incentive for the criminals to protect their turf, be that through bribes, evasion, or violence.
Ideally it would only be used by station personnel for its official uses but it was more resource efficient to let Brown Sector fester as long as its impact was mostly contained to Brown.

>>213466249
>Reboot: Dead
thank god
fucking JMS turned into a complete TDS retard

>>213461835
turns out your aunt had better taste than you

>>213461466
That the Centauri deserved the pain they got from the Narn doesn't mean that the Narn weren't turning into something self-destructive. This is a common issue throughout history when a population has to turn anything goes violence to prevent getting wiped out and then struggles to maintain a peaceful society after winning because the changes to the fabric of their society made them violent at their core.

>>213466768
>NOOO NOT MY HECKIN CULT LEAD- I MEAN MY PRESIDENTE NOOOO
you people are infuriating,

I wonder how the show would have panned out if Sinclair didn't get sick and die. Would he have been Delenn's love interest?
Boxleitner took over like a champ. What a cool and likeable actor. Loved him since Scarecrow.

>>213466813
So the Narn are Israel?

>>213466450
it did
no idea what all that shit on this >>213466387
stupid thing is

>>213466823
>you people are infuriating
YOUR people literally cheered a fucking corpse on AND then pretended an Indian bitch was black

>>213466849
no, palestininarns
centauri are jews

>>213466849
At this point they are Gazans. Some have to be sacrificed to save the species. Gkar was Arafat.

>>213462444
As a young teen living in southern California when B5 was originally airing, I often fantasized about running into Patricia Tallman and somehow getting to fuck her. Of course that never happened and being the type of teen who watched shows like Babylon 5, I wouldn't have stood a chance with her had our paths crossed. Instead I married a woman whose only acting credit is "Girl by the pool" in a Diet Coke commercial. That has worked out ok.

>>213462495
>>213462742
Nobody who quotes Aristotle can be a bad man.

>>213465171
>who is going to nuke California
>>213465511
>California is the last bastion of sanity
obviously they themselves
these commie fucks already completely lost any plot

>>213463027
Cape shit has sucked all the oxygen out of the room.

>>213466768
Do you really think Sheridan would support Trump? Really? B5 is explicitly anti-fascist and racist in the extreme like leave the union levels of extreme. Did this shit all go over your head? That's hilarious. Clark was too subtle. lol

>>213467016
post the commercial

>>213467088
only because it made billions, while white males were the heroes.
girl boss and wakandan capeshit lost all that money, so the jews now will start looking for other shit to subvert

>>213467111
sheridan would put a bullet in your traitor commie brain in an instant

>>213467111
Ironically, Bruce Boxleitner is a deranged republishart in real life. Even Garibaldi's actor was a weird republishart.

>>213467208
ah, good to know both are/were of course based
glad they make you scum seethe

>>213463027
$800k isn't low budget for a show of that era. Doctor Who is low budget with 60 quid per episode in today's money.

>>213467245
>"y-youre the one seething!" anon said as he was faced with the truth that all his sci-fi favourites speak against his insane fascist ideology.

>is that a comfy babylon 5 thread?
>better go shit it up with my pol screeching
jesus christ, you amerifat election tourist faggots need to drink bleach.

>>213467111
>About the role, Doyle once quipped that he was “a mick from Brooklyn playing a Wop from Mars.”
>It was during this time that he also became politically vocal. After a run for congress in the 2000 election in which he was defeated by Democrat Brad Sherman, he became a frequent guest on the conservative Newsmax Media TV, and eventually transitioned to hosting his own radio show, the Jerry Doyle Show, which aired on the Talk Radio Network that by 2012 saw a weekly average of 3.75 million listeners. He later took over the show The Savage Nation for a brief time, before launching his own platform Epic Times in 2013.

>>213467374
The Babylon thread was our last best hope for comfy shitposting. It failed!

>>213466450
Design inertia likely would take time to overcome. Everything about station design and construction was streamlined for rotating cylinders. Even if they didn't rotate any more, the design would be similar for a while until engineers and architects became accustomed to possibilities permitted by artificial gravity.
Many of the first steel bridges were built like wood bridges, only stronger and less likely to rot. It took time for bridge designers to make use of the attributes of steel to come up with new designs. More recently, the switch to LEDs in vehicle headlights initially gave us designs very similar to halogen bulbs but now are diverting away from those old design patterns.
>>213466877
You're comparing a ship design to a space station design.

So, who is this cursed show gonna kill next? I predict Mumy.

>>213467541
Boxleitner is getting up there in age, and Claudia had a drug and booze fueled past.

>>213467384
JMS let Doyle slip his "we don't need an electric chair, we need electric bleachers" line into an episode.

>>213467532
>Design inertia likely would take time to overcome. Everything about station design and construction was streamlined for rotating cylinders. Even if they didn't rotate any more, the design would be similar for a while until engineers and architects became accustomed to possibilities permitted by artificial gravity.
Yeah, good explanation. It takes time before this new branch of physics can truly be embraced by earther scientists and engineers.

No one who dies after they turn 70 should count as being part of the show's curse.

>>213467632
JMS also supported Doyle's congressional run with money while having diametrically opposite political views. Jerry liked having Boxleitner with similar views on the show.

I really hated this fucker on my first viewing years ago. I wonder how I'll react to him no that I'm a little older, watching s3 atm

>>213467780
I don't mind Byron but that was more like a season 2/3 thing, not the final season of a show. They ended gigantic stakes with.. a PsiCop war or something. Also it's weird seeing a humongous voice actor like Robin Atkin Downes in a real, regular role like this.

>>213467780
Ah the retarded Psi Mormons.
>Hey these guys are going out on a limb to help us and really the best chance we have for protection
>Lets fuck them!

>>213467780
I hated Bester as a kid, he was a great villain but now that I'm older I actually think Bester wasn't a villain. By all means he was a better human, a human 2.0 and he was raised to believe that.

>>213467780
Making the character act like a new age douche was a poor choice. The cause was sympathetic but having it lead by "that guy" almost everyone hates other than gullible hippy girls was destined to create a negative reaction.

>>213467780
it's still the worst part of the show on a rewatch by miles, don't get your hopes up. should have been a 3-4 episode arc at most.

I never noticed that as a teen but the title score reflects the mood of each season. It goes from etherial adventurous to slightly chaotic, to really chaotic when shit with the shadows hits the fan, and S5 has this positive, melodic almost glorious victory tune.

>>213467410
>It failed!
mainly because the reddit watch hasn't been nuked yet

>>213468854
This is literally what the current U.S government is doing and you're still blaming lefties?

>>213459723 (OP)
Watching as an adult and realizing these two were the villains was something else man.

>>213467532
>Design inertia likely would take time to overcome
apples & oranges
a breakthrough like true artificial gravity would instantly lead to completely revised and streamlined designs
we're not in the fucking age of sails anymore,
especially with AI already on the immediate horizon for us,
let alone for the B5 future

a mega project like B6 would of course profit from the state of the art,
even if just for budgetary reasons

Prince Vintari is relentlessly handsome.

>>213468982
this is literally what you commie scum where about to do doing during covid
AND DID IN AUSTRALIA!
WHERE the fuck are YOU commietards getting thrown into re-education camps?

>>213469026
so you actually grew retarded with age

>>213469110
Stop spreading disease like some weird pozzed bugchaser and nobody's going to bother you, retard.

>>213469200
back to reddddit, where your anti-human brain cancer is contained

>>213467780
he is sufferable,
mainly because you already know he was a PSI hound fucked hard by Bester and you can see the character arc

>>213469159
I grew up, you play with your funko pops as a treat.

HOT TAKE: If they're going to do more B5 it should just be about Technomages going on strange adventures and doing cool shit.

>>213469387
The Galen show?

>>213469355
>I grew up
no, you just got brainwashed

>>213461039
90's car phone

>>213469387
The guy playing the Technomage was one of the Klingons who chased after the Albino in DS9.

>>213466617
the term is scissoring, bigot

>>213469475
I hope you at least get to play with some cool ones like the Shenron dragon, Ms.

>>213466526
I'm so so happy Babylon 5 was made in the 90s and LOTR in the 2000s without modern degeneracy, idpol and pozz.

>>213469568
I once licked a carpet for three hours and I never felt like a lesbian then.

Separate the art from the artist.

>>213469861
>Jerry was based!
>Mira wasn't!

the sheer fucking hypocrisy with you people

>>213469784
Incomplete you're training is.

>>213469387
Yes, they were interesting characters but I always hated the name Techno-mage. It just sounds clunky and dated. But that's a minor quibble.
Anyone read the books?

>>213469566
For all the crying about there being a rivalry between the shows due to what happened with JMS's show bible, there was a large amount of overlap in the minor characters on the two shows.

>>213469784
PTEN sometimes had to save JMS from himself.

>>213470307
I love DS9 and I love B5 because I'm not some petulant pissbaby who thinks his team is better than the other team.

>>213470378
Yeah, it's a weird thing. I get why JMS was angry but don't understand why others get so wrapped up in it.

>>213470340
JMS sometimes had to save PTEN from itself.

>>213469861
>July 4th, 2020

>>213467016
>being the type of teen who watched shows like Babylon 5, I wouldn't have stood a chance with her.

Not with that attitude!
she married one of the extras on the show, iirc

>>213470844
Maybe it would have worked with Claudia Christian. She seems like the type that would get some kid drunk and let him fuck her.

>>213460103
I like that episode tho

>>213470996
And it's not like that B5 doesn't have lots of other religious bits in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhMwUeVawng

>>213462203
I see this in every thread and don't think people understand the difference between movie and tv acting.

>>213471042
Yeah I mean Sheridan turns into space Jesus at some point they aren't trying to be subtle

>>213462203
No that's Lyta, the stunt woman who got promoted to the show cause she was fucking JMS. She went from stunt woman to running his production company cause he was fucking her.

>>213471211
No. Claudia Christian really cannot act. She is fucking atrocious.

>>213471211
It was Prime Patricia tho. Whoever pulled me out would be ready to take on Superman next.

>>213466020
>ooph damn, I missed a successful Bab5 thread
We all did

>>213460390
Two words.
>space jews.

>>213470247
Yeah, they are OK and considered canon. The twist about where their tech comes from is obvious but fits the overall narrative nicely.

I literally cannot rewatch this series. I legitimately don't get it.

My shoes are too tight.. and I have forgotten how to dance.

>>213472369
Why?

>>213466938
a horse born in a stable etc

is it worth watching Crusade or any of the movies besides The Gathering
season 5 was a crock of shit for the most part

it's either that or finish Stargate seasons 8-10

>>213473674
Stargate S8-10 after finishing a run of Farscape for even more added confusion.

>>213473674
crusade uhhhh I'd say it is probably worth watching at least once if you're in the mood for more B5 related stuff, as long as you go into it knowing the production was a mess, and anything you do enjoy about it will end up feeling like wasted potential wondering where jms might have taken it if they got a few seasons.

The other movies are kind of pointless, just double length episodes pretty much not great not awful they're just sort of there, and I heard there was a pilot for some rangers based show but apparently the they lost the original print of it so it was never released to home media and all the online copies are corrupt and not watchable.

last few seasons of sg-1 are fine, if you've watched the show up to that point there's not really any reason to stop.

>The Centauri deserved it!
>No the Narn deserved it!
You guys didn't understand the show. One of the main themes, arguably THE main theme, is incredibly, simple, but also apparently just not understood by most people, and looking at modern world politics it seems most of the world doesn't understand it, and I'd say not understanding it is one of the root causes of a majority of horrible war crimes throughout all of human history.

There are ALWAYS good innocent people on both sides. All of this childish us vs them eye for an eye crap just means that those innocent people get hurt over and over again in cycles forever. We want to believe that war is simple and everyone on the enemy side supports the bad guys and deserves what they get but we only want to believe that because it's easy and we're afraid of accepting how complicated the world really is.

>>213475374
some anons just aren't ready for immortality.

>>213475374
I bet you are purple!

>>213459734
anti-alien human terrorists being manipulated by the shadows blew up the first 3. the 4th one got time traveled into the past by the vorlons so the mimbari could get some BIG HUMAN DICK and cheat in the previous shadow war.

>>213460138
he's not wrong. the first 4 episodes had the manditory 'nazis bad, jews good' propaganda that all 90s scifi shows had to contractually preform.

Seriously though.. how based would it be if the reboot suddenly announced itself as Babylon 6. My scepticism would definitely die a little

>>213461854
>DS9 is pretty much a military base.
It was an ore processing facility that used slave labor.

>>213462121
>Who is best girl of the show?
One of Lono's wives.

>>213467208
california use to be a republican state, all old boomers/gen-xers in california are republicans.

>>213462121
Its obviously either Delen or Lyta. Lyta really just badly needed a hug for the entire series

>>213475374
Green hands typed this post. The actual answer is both the Narn and the Centauri deserved it. Both of them wanted to kill each other in the show's early seasons, and G'kar was an unironic villain up until the point his warmongering attitudes resulted in Londo being forced to hand his race their collective ass. In fact, broadly speaking, every race deserved everything bad that happened to them. The Vorlons and Shadows most especially, but Minbari and Humans as well. Babylon Five has good 'individuals' but even these individuals are actually bad people in certain circumstances.

>>213470307
>being a rivalry between the shows
There really wasn't, and what there was was mostly at the studio level.
The actual writers and cast never had a problem with eachother, and it was a rotating door for character actors for hire.
And hell, Andreas Katsulas was a memorable guest star in two incarnations of the show (Tomalok in next gen, and the guy archer bonds with while trip is trying to uplift the retarded third gender person he just met).

>>213469501
More like 80s, but cell phones were basically same shit forever until they switched to digital.

>>213469861
Makes sense.

>>213470037
They were both degens and the network needed to step in to curb their faggotry.

The distant future and the interrogation were the best episodes.

>>213462121
Dr.Sakai

>>213475374
>Heroes on BOTH sides?
>What?
>Can evil robots be considered Heroes?

>>213478369
Are any of them left? My parents moved from California to South Carolina about a decade ago and they weren't the first from their church to do it.

>>213478421
I see it at the fan level but much of that's probably attention whoring by people with nothing to contribute to the thread so they toss in the "other show was better" bomb to stir up shit.

We were lucky in the 90s with all the sci-fi kino we had. Been rewatching some of the lesser known ones again recently. Dark Skies and Space: Above and Beyond deserved much more than a single season. They're great candidates for reboots too, but something like Dark Skies would never be allowed today.

>>213479868
I thought you meant between the shows themselves.

>>213480136
>Space: Above and Beyond
>enemy is the Chiggers
shows that couldn't be made today

>>213480136
SAAB was great, still livid that they binned it

>>213481864
Loved her, watched the first Final Destination recently.

>>213478424
>cell phones were basically same shit forever until they switched to digital
Nah, you went from a duffel bag full of car batteries to make a hard to hear call for five minutes to the zack morris hand brick, to the motorolla flip phone. My dad had one, and we were going through some old shit in his attic a few years ago and found it in the bottom of a box and we laughed at how far phones have come since then.
Didn't even have an LED screen for the numbers, just a bunch of individual diodes that lit up in the shape of a number.
That was the 80's through the 90's. Phones took off in the late 90's but even then it was still an analog signal. I don't think it went to a digital signal until g3.

GSM was digital.

I would have watched B5 by now but I had such a shitty encounter with JMS I won't support his work.