Thread 213471365

How the fuck did Napoleon lose?
>Be Napoleon Bonaparte
>Emperor of France & Italy, & co-king of Spain
>Basically proto-Hitler. (Killed Jews & Slavs before Hitler did)
>Led the biggest Army in Europe, bigger than the Roman Empire.
>Napoleonic wars were partially funded by Thomas Jefferson and the Lousiana Purchase & Jewish bankers in Switzerland & Ottoman Empire.
>Brits became so weak from the US Rev. War. & war of 1812, they needed Prussia’s help.
>Defeated the first 5 coalitions
>Dissolved the Roman Empire into a billion German states.
>Russians burned themselves to death
>conquered all of Europe by 1812
>regained his army within a month after his escape from exile.
>after his death, His nephew succeeded him as emperor for 22 years.
>to this day only person besides Hitler who had the Rothschilds on the run. (Google it. Its true)

It's just embedded deep into the french genetics.

>>213471365 (OP)
he should have deployed his ultimate weapon... crunchberrys.

where to even start with this

Trump reminds me a lot of napoleon, he’s egotistical, retarded, and couldn’t manage a ham sandwich. Much less a war.

He was responsible for the deaths of an estimated 800,000 French soldiers when he invaded Russia. He wanted to be taken seriously so bad he essentially genocided his people. Short man syndrome run rampant. The British were still faggots but he had other options

good evening i hate ridley scott so much its unreal

he was under 6' tall

His life was pure kino and it's sad Kubrick could never secure the funding for his dream epic about based Napoleon.

>>213471481
why would you want to go to russia anyway. look at this cold filter. how miserable.

>>213471554
>have your production team create historically accurate, colourful uniforms and sets
>apply a dark blue filter to everything

is ridley scott fucking stupid

>>213471365 (OP)
It always boils down to logistics. Waging war that far away from France was not sustainable, especially with British locking down the seas.

>>213471365 (OP)
>Dissolved the Roman Empire
Huh?!

>>213471635
he did this with kingdom of heaven too

>>213471541
I'm glad Kubrick made Barry Lyndon instead of a biopic on histories biggest asshat.

>>213471479
rent free, faggot.

>>213471365 (OP)
I'm pretty sure Napoleon was just another jewish puppet just like Hitler.

Napoleon was yet another minority from another country just like Hitler.
And who the fuck had the money to continue all those wars? Certainly not France.

>>to this day only person besides Hitler who had the Rothschilds on the run
HAH that's what they say? Well, there it is.
The jew cries as he strikes you. The wars were funded by Rothschilds.

Notice how Britain is always the retarded one ready to oppose anyone who attempts to conquer Europe.

>>213471422
He wasn’t French.

>>213474237
Which crayon tastes the best?

>>213471365 (OP)
>Killed Jews & ru*sians before Hitler did
Ftfy
Nie będziesz mi psiakrwio Imperatora obrażać

When you dominate that much, everyone gangs up on you. Its like playing smash brothers and you have 10 lives and everyone else is down to 2.

>>213474273
Yeah, he was second greatest Coriscan

>>213473380
No to that extent. It was mostly blue. He was not washing out anything. It's that polish piece of shit Wolski who is doing it for Scott.

his best advantage was that he was the first guy to realize the new meta created by artillery. by Waterloo the rest of Europe was catching up. this is also how Grant won the Civil War. napoleonic era through WWI was truly the worst fucking time to go to war

>How the fuck did Napoleon lose?
>Russians burned themselves to death
>conquered all of Europe by 1812
You missed a couple of steps

>>213471365 (OP)
He was a cuck

>>213474536
This.
>Oh Napoleon is the greatest general of all time!!!!
>Literally just fast artillery

>>213471479
Fuck off dude, I voted for Trump but I can’t think of any leader these days that would have the charisma or battle ability of napoleon.

>>213473356
What retarded OP means is, he dissolved the Holy Roman Empire, which was not holy, not Roman, nor by any means an empire.

>>213471675
saying he lost because of logistics is like saying he lost because of battles. do you think the guy whose first grand campaign was in fucking Egypt was unaware of the importance of logistics? the guy whose army was the first in history to use canned food? come on

>>213471365 (OP)
Let me guess, you were Ridley's historical advisor for the movie?

>>213474594
i mean, he is still pretty great. being the first to figure out a meta is a skill. he was also just generally clever and really good about integrating new developments into his army, literally the concept of triage comes from his medical division

>>213471365 (OP)
British interests are threatened by a United Europe, so they kept funding malcontents on the continent and using their excellent diplomatic experience to push the crown heads against Napoleon.
Also making he useless brother King of Spain and invading Russia were both terrible ideas.

>>213474554
he was a sensitive young incel who married a single mother. if he had accepted her cheating i would agree that he was also a cuck, but instead he got mad and had a bunch of affairs himself until josephine fell in line

>>213474665
lol

>>213474665
Seriously it genuinely reflects so poorly on democrats that they lost to him twice. To be fair, both times they lost they ran cackling unstable hyenas .. because.. women???? Lmaoooooooooooooo

>>213474326
I know a Polish guy named Napoleon, cool guy.

>>213474740
The democrats technically lost 3 times but they stole the election in 2020

>>213471365 (OP)

He went too far. He shouldn't have gotten into Spain. He shouldn't have made for Moscow. He wanted to be more than Alexander the Great.

In fact Alexander the Great mindbroke so many great men that came after him, it's hilarious.

>>213474688
this is pretty generous to napoleon, honestly. he fucked himself over with the whole britain thing, there was no reason for him to be strictly antagonistic with them for his entire reign. every other country he'd do stick and carrot, but britain was always purely the enemy even when he didn't need it to be. also, the other monarchs wouldn't have been nearly as amenable to britain's suggestions if napoleon hadn't tried to force everybody into his really terrible economic war with britain

Was Napoleon treated as a le irredeemably evil boogeyman in the 19th & 20th century as much as Hitler is now?
Will Hitler be looked back as a normal person & badass military/political leader like Napoleon and not le evil boogeyman in a hundred years or so?

>>213474797
Spain was forced on him though...he shouldn't have installed his brother as king

>>213474412
The French suck so much that all of the best “French” people aren’t even French lmao.

idgaf
ridley scott made a shit movie. it could have been great. he fucked up

>>213474797
Tall empires beat out wide ones. I should know I play hoi4 so I'm what you would call a genius

>>213474603
>not holy, not Roman, nor by any means an empire.
>UNIRONICALLY QUOTING VOLTAIRE
get the fuck out of here. The Holy Roman Empire, was Holy because it was sanctionated by the Church itself. For centuries after the coronation of Charlemagne, it was tradition for the Emperor to be crowned in Rome by the pope.
The Empire was often known simply as the “Christian empire,” even though that was a misnomer because there was still the Byzantine Empire and every single kingdom in Europe was also Christian.
It was roman because When Charlemagne was crowned Roman emperor, it was done under the “Translatio imperii”.
Well, what is an empire? The dictionary definition of empire is “A political unit having an extensive territory or comprising a number of territories or nations and ruled by a single supreme authority.”
So, was the Holy Roman Empire comprised of multiple territories and nations?
The answer is actually yes. In fact, there were many principalities, dutchies, and kingdoms that compromised the Empire, so it does meet that requirement.

>>213474784
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Colonna-Walewski
He has some polish descendants.

>>213474797
imo, spain was masterful and a complete success. moscow was more bad luck than anything, winter came very early. the biggest fuck up was making that fucking traitor bernadotte the king of sweden. what a fucking cunt

>durr wage war against the entire world forever
>how can I not lose
Napoleon knew how to fight, but that's all he ever knows how. To prepare to fight. To unite a country to fight. All of it to fight. At some point, your opponents will learn how to fight as well and they went give up as easily as before since they want to fight.

>>213474797
The reasons for those is consolidation of power since Russia and Spain were still trading with Britain when the point was to economically blockade Britain out of Europe.

>>213474740
>you don’t wike muh big daddy pwesident derfore you ah a democwat!

>>213473383
Incredibly reddit post

>>213474813
Its already happening. Look how hard the jews have to push antifa to keep up with the zoomers learning real history

>>213474813
Yes. There were literally newspapers publishing “stories” about him talking to Satan.

>>213474887
just patently untrue, napoleon was a fantastic politician and made huge strides in all kinds of things besides war

>>213474907
No. Reddit, just like all of you faggots, love the "based" frog.

>>213471481
>800,000
He lost a lot, but that's more men than he had going in. Not a holocaust scholar by any chance, are you?

>>213474865
>moscow was bad luck
It was a shitshow from the beginning. Every scholar already accepted that Napoleon severely underestimated how his supply chain would work in that theatre and the unwillingness of the populace to back down since they can just hide in the vast landscape. Cossack raids on Napoleon's armies made them almost as rich as nobles.

no one ever talks about the Peninsular war when they talk about Napoleon's downfall.
They French thought taking Portugal and then the Spanish was gonna be fairly easy and then it turned into a drawn out hellish front
its their equivalent of what Vietnam became to the Americans
its pretty kino if you take time to learn about it

>>213474846
I hate Ridley Scott more for Gladiator 2

>>213474536
>first guy to realize the new meta created by artillery.
>guy
You are not wrong, but there was another...

>>213474891
If you think I said that, I would put your IQ at around 83 tops

>>213474801
Britian had both legitimate and less than legitimate geopolitical reasons for being against Napoleon, even without the Continental System.

>>213474956
granted, but that all would have been seen as merely a stumbling block to success if the early winter hadn't derailed everything

>>213474928
All to serve war, that's my point. He wants to quell discontent and recruit soldiers to fight the next war so he'll say things like "Oh Islam truly is the best religion!" in an attempt of appeasement See his Egypt Campaign or the Confederation of the Rhine.

>>213474990
sebendy fwee achuwy, wetahd.

>>213474965
It was a shitshow, there was no decorum or tactics behind it. It was where guerilla warfare made its name. It defied the rules of warfare that was dictated on decisive battles.

>>213474965
>no one ever talks about the Peninsular war
They do because the Duke of Wellington primarily fought there.
CHOSEN MEN!

>>213474998
britain at that time was the most cutthroat mercantile society ever formed. perhaps i overestimate their coldbloodedness, but i believe that if napoleon had gone into business with them they would have had no issue at all with him

>>213474929
You don't know anything about me

>>213474740
They should have had a candidate prepped and ready to go. Anyone could have seen that you don't gamble on a woman for a presidential election.

>>213475006
More people died in the summer offensive than the winter retreat. The winter retreat was just so miraculous on the French's part since that would've broken any lesser army apart.

>>213471365 (OP)
He went from age 15 to 40 with 19 years of direct warfare experience riding constantly around battlefields staying up days on end. One year of that drains the shit out of people imagine 19 years and even when not at war you are like the president. His body racked with injuries started breaking down 39-41. By 45 he was in near constant pain and mentally breaking down. He died very young for a reason
Imagine fight 5 world war 2s, 2 terms as president, and getting old and people asking why'd he start losing

>>213475059
As a cutthroat mercantile society you want a lot of markets to sell to instead of one big one that can't be bullied into lowering its custom duties as easily.

>>213474939
You know that armies can fluctuate in size over time, right? The number he started with isn't the same as the total number of men fielded over

>>213475017
to serve his own glory and power, i would say. the louvre was not a part of any offensive, nor his contributions to archeology

>>213475079
Its not that a woman would be incapable of winning. It's that those two women in particular were exceptionally poor choices.

>>213474985
St. Joan, the Armagnac and the rest of the french army using cannons to destroy the long bows is kino to this day.
For the Hundred Years' War God was French and He sent one of His angels (Joan) to save France.

>>213475120
The first female president will be a Republican.

>>213475081
i'm not really convinced that death tolls are a great predictor of napoleon's success. his wars were a meat grinder propped up by the ridiculous game-breaking hack of esprit de corps

Morons.

>be 70 years old
>still fight France in the frontlines, charging on horseback
>just wants to keep fighting France, even when he loses.
Kek

>>213471365 (OP)
>>conquered all of Europe by 1812
>>regained his army within a month after his escape from exile [in 1815]

You glossed over a very important two or three years there.

>>213471365 (OP)
poltard education

>>213475199
Either he believed that he was actually pregnant with a baby elephant or his fellow Prussians just didn't understand metaphors.

>>213475105
that's sort of what i mean, though. why was napoleon so obstinate about customs duties? why was he so much more offended when the british schemed against him than when any given continental power did? i think he was just built to require an ontological enemy. as a young man obsessed with corsican nationalism it was France, and then once he took on a French identity that had to be transferred, so he became irrationally hateful towards france's oldest rival, and it couldn't be budged no matter how much it disadvantaged him

>>213471365 (OP)
After what he did in Spain, Spain decided to make an alliance with their greatest enemy, Britain, after that the downfall of Napoleon began, which is quite interesting because Napoleon was about to break the economic interest of the British Empire until because of his actions, Spain decided to open to door against him.

>>213471365 (OP)
>invade russia in winter
>lose 80% of your army
>your male population is now dead, you have no way whatsoever of raising an army
>the sneaky je...anglo was waiting on his island with his armies fresh, invades and you have no way of fighting him
Thats it
If napoleon hadnt invaded russia he would have probably outlasted the brits

I'm a Bourbonfag.

>>213471365 (OP)
His relatives were retards and he kept giving them prominent positions in government and military

>king Carolus Rex invades Russia
>Swedish cucks lose

>emperor Napoleon Bonaparte invades Russia
>French cucks lose

>Fuhrer Adolf Fagler invades Russia
>German cucks lose

Idk bros, it seems like russians are the master race. Everytime someone invades Russia, it causes their downfall of their country.

>>213475273
He invaded Russia in June.
So did Hitler.
Russia is just unreasonablely huge

Fine, I'll reinstall it.

>>213475256
napoleon was never going to break the economics of Regency England, no mortal man had that much power

>>213474865
>spain was masterful and a complete success
Are you retarded or just american
The fact the invasion of spain was so difficult and cost napoleon so much is the entire reason the russians went
>hey this guy isnt as unbeatable as we thought, fuck his treaties we're trading with england
Forcing Napoleon to invade or appear a weak bitch

>>213475303
>Mongols invade Russia
>win so decisively that you have Russia paying tribute for centuries.

>>213475106
Sure…but your estimate of the number of French soldiers who died in Russia is still higher than the highest estimates I've seen for the total number of men fielded there during the campaign, and *far* higher than even the highest estimates for the number of casualties (including those wounded or captured and deserters, not just those who died). I respectfully suggest you may have made a mistake.

>>213471365 (OP)
>How the fuck did Napoleon lose?
he didn't understand good soldiering

Napoleon lost in Egypt. It was clear that Napoleon's grand strategy of seeking a decisive battle with an enemy would portent his downfall.

Stop replying to the spambot thread you fucking retards.

>>213475310
>One province France
Genuinely, what the fuck were they thinking?

>>213475430
Either than or Holocaust denial thread. And we already had that one couple of hours ago.

>>213475433
They were thinking that Empire was a buggy mess and rather than fix it they'll just release a new game.

>>213474887
Spain was an ally of France, Portugal was trading with england, when napoleon asked for military access through spain, spain at this point was already fully subverted and while his armies were crossing various pro anglo groups rose up, led mainly by the spanish church
The spanish king fled to france, and napoleon upon seeing the incompetence they had displayed, arrested them, and named his brother king of spain

>>213475303
>Kievans name themselves after their Swedish overlords and invade Yugra-Tartaristan
>Lose so badly that they’re forced to stay in the frozen swamp and live as slaves for centuries.

>>213471365 (OP)
Grouchy >>>/wsg/5942846

>>213475465
You're forgetting that France backstabbed Spain in that manner.

>>213475367
Nta I gave the actual answer. By 30 his body was torn apart. By 40 he was coughing up blood constantly, going into spasms created by extreme cte, his skin itself was falling apart and his face was covered in giant scars. He would look like jiggasaw from the punisher. His face was nearly slash into 1/4s at Toulon alone.
None of these "experts" even know what he looked like most of his life. The cannon fire from his youth right next to his hand, the stabbings, scrapnel, never ending scabies out breaks he'd have every 2 or 3 months. By 40 he was mentally "cooked"

>>213475307
>>213475273
>invade Russia in summer
>lose half your army to louse-borne typhus before you've even reached Smolensk
>the entire country of Belarus is basically a giant hospital full of dying Frenchmen

Based lice

>>213475366
feasibly we're talking about different parts of the spanish affair. my first thought is always of how deftly he placed his brother on the throne, but i grant things went downhill from there

>>213475512
Typhus was still a problem even in WW2.

>>213475505
Backstabbed who? The monarchy of spain was leeching off napoleon, in fact they expected from their alliance that napoleon would just crush the uprising and return them to power

>>213471365 (OP)
The angloid was already becoming too powerful by this point in history, because Capitalism, which they controlled through finance, larger resource bases and control of the sea, was overpowering the Continental European way of life.

In fact they were already so powerful they could overthrow the French monarchy through funding subversion and secret societies, Napoleon was both a product of and a reaction against this distinctly un-French "French Revolution". History goes back and forth like this for more than a century until the anglosphere's final victory in 1945

>>213475172
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Can we talk about how the anglos totally poisoned his son to prevent him from ever reaching a position of power in france or austria

>>213475555
bessemer process was a bug, devs should have patched it out

See

Not one of you zoomers experts knew

Napleons face looked like jigsaw. It was torn up.

You don't even know how his face looks

But you are describing his life

>>213475546
Yes that's a backstab. Ferdinand asked Napoleon for help and in turn he occupies his nation.

>>213475555
>because Capitalism
Mercantilism*
There's a very large difference.

Suuuuuuck myyyyyyy diiiiiiiiiiiiick

>Napoleon invades and fucks up Europe so hard that the roots of World War 1 can be traced back to this era
Literally
Worse
Than
Hitler.

>>213475593
Please control your autism.

>>213475465
>spain at this point was already fully subverted and while his armies were crossing various pro anglo groups rose up, led mainly by the spanish church
It was the opposite you fucking retard, learn some basic history

>>213475649
No, I mean Capitalism.

>>213475749
Capitalism was the counterpoint to Mercantilism.

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>>213475710
>the roots of World War 1 can be traced back to this era
How so?

>>213475710
Technically WW1 can be traced back to the Romans losing at Teutoburg and deciding not to conquer what would be modern day Germany.

>>213475764
Yes, I know.

>>213475199
>charging on horseback
Imagine believing this. He was never anywhere near any front line. Generals standing in line of cannon fire is a lie too.

>>213475840
Those injuries he sustained were all fantasy too?

>>213471479
>He couldn't manage a war
Napoleon? The man considered the greatest military leader to ever live? You think he didn't know how to manage a war?

>>213475798
The Romans’ greatest mistake was sparing the jews.

>>213475798
German nationalism started with Napoleon's successful invasions and decimation of HRE.

>>213475947
>>213475774

>>213474237
>And who the fuck had the money to continue all those wars? Certainly not France
He got the money from conquering the rest of Europe

>Oh you didn't like my movie? Fuck you.
>Oh you liked my movie? Fuck you.

>>213475310
Why is every single man in that formation a sergeant?

>Makes France into fair meritocracy
>Bans degenerate literature and art
>Jews hate him for it
Based empereur.

America should have made an alliance with Napoleon. The War of 1812 easily could have continued with the British getting pushed out of Canada.

>>213474536
Field artillery had been in use for centuries before Napoleon

>>213475774
Dont listen to that retard, its because the defeat of Napoleon cemented br*tain as the first world power and world police
All the other big wars after were directly or indirectly caused by anglo meddling

>>213475491
Heh, nothing personnel, Ridley ...

>>213476129
>America should involve itself with European wars in its infancy
Good thing the nation wasn't founded by retards.

>>213471365 (OP)
strategically: everyone teamed up against him
tactically: he got old, fat, and complacent

>>213474813
Pretty much, till Hitler came along if you wanted to make outrageous claims about how evil someone was you'd compare them to Napoleon

>>213475542
>Typhus was still a problem even in WW2
yep, i heard it even killed about 250k people in the german POW camps

>>213474813
It's the "what books did they burn" type of sentiment.

>drummer bands are somehow supposed to convey commands to 300-400 people at a time in the middle of musket volleys, artillery, screaming, etc
>fluters and pipers were meant to relay these orders to the bands while riding on horseback despite the fact that their horses would sound like minature earthquakes drowning out their music
I just dont believe history really happened. its too ridiculous

>>213476146
Not him but what Napoleon did is to create grand batteries rather than the usual of just moving them around with the infantry as support. Then he would shuffle them around again to look for the next "weak point" in the enemy lines to amass another grand battery. It's like the oblique order but with cannons.

>>213476214
We would have become a superpower earlier and possibly avoid our Civil War.

>>213474604
>Egypt
Pwning sandniggers surely was not too hard

>>213476902
Instruments are louder than most people think.

>>213476948
>avoid civil war
The reasons of the civil war was already set in motion the moment the nation was founded and accrued a national debt. It just didn't coalesce until that very moment they wanted to fuck with the South's bread and butter. (All the financial and industrial sectors was concentrated in the North while the South was still mostly agrarian that relied on cash crops to fuel their economy)

>>213476992
He defeated them in every major combat encounter but Napoleon wanted a decisive battle to end the conflict, something these sandniggers don't actually do. They just kept revolting and calling jihad on them until Napoleon just sailed back to France and left whatever France had in Egypt and Syria to fend off for themselves.

>>213476325
It's not so much that he got too old. It's just that nobody wants to fight a war forever and that's the only thing Napoleon ever does and keeps doing. Everybody teaming up against him was the consequences of them getting invaded by him.

>>213471365 (OP)

Because he was a full to trust Talleyrand in the end, also Marmont was a traitor his very name is synonymous with the word "betrayal" in French, hes considered their Benedict Arnold. Then there was Bernadotte, who coveted the crown Napoleon had given him over his honor and duty to the great Emperor... But it was Talleyrand who paved the way for their betrayal. Talleyrand was always an agent of the Rothschild family, whether the Emperor knew this or not is hard to tell at times. We are cursed with knowledge in the present day that Napoleon didn't have, making it always hard when reading about his downfall. You want to reach through the sales of time past and help him and warn him so fucking badly... But in the end, like our beloved Emperor, there is nothing we can do...

>>213471365 (OP)
>be Napoleon
>print millions fake russian money to pay for supplies and his troops in Russia
>russian people have zero trust in paper money fake or not
>logistics collapse, army collapse, surprised Pikachu face

>>213471365 (OP)

REALLY LOVE HOW MODERATION HAS SPENT NO TIME ON THIS BOARD TO SEE THE SAME NO-LIFER NO-JOB SPAM ON A WEEKLY BASIS

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>>213471365 (OP)
Masterbaiter, a brown fucking retard, or just your average american? Take your pick, OP can be any of these

>>213474856
stfu germutt, it wasn't even a country, let alone an empire

>>213471365 (OP)
>How the fuck did Napoleon lose?
Great Britain is behind the English Channel. Russia is behind an endless shithole of mud and woods, blistering in the summer, freezing in the winter, and the Russian army can just keep backing up forever if they really want. In the 19th century, those countries can't be invaded or conquered, they have to be appeased.

>>213474792
You mean Trump tried to steal it 3 times.
First with the Russian hacking systems.
Second his failed coup
Third Elon hacking election systems.
Expect trump to stage another coup, but unlike Napoleon, he'll be a little bitch who will never lead troops into battle.

>>213478383
>leaving a genuine reply to this garbage thread
80 IQ award

>>213478469
Meds. Now.

>>213471365 (OP)
>Led the biggest Army in Europe, bigger than the Roman Empire.
>Dissolved the Roman Empire into a billion German states.
Holy Roman Empire =/= Roman Empire
The actual Roman Empire from antiquity fell in 1453.

Oh boy here we go, another chud with his Byzantine was Rome arguments

>>213478586
You reminding yourself after actually saying 2020 was stolen?