Thread 213490801

>>213490801 (OP)
Hollywood worked better when it was run by studio fiefdoms.

>>213490801 (OP)
Matt Reeves is trying to figure out which Fincher film he wants to rip off.

AVE MARIAAAAAAAAAAA

>>213490801 (OP)
because warner fags decided to back WalMartMan instead

>>213490801 (OP)
Wdym? It's finished.

Because the first one failed and Matty got depressed or sometjing. No one is excited for the sequel.

>>213491330
I am. It made over 700 mil and spawned a successful TV show.

>>213490847
It's all Howard Hughes' fault

Pattinson is out, so may as well reboot and hook it into the main DC cinematic universe.

>>213490801 (OP)
Matt Reeves doesnt want to do it but they're offering a lot of money

>>213491330
I am

>>213490801 (OP)
Studio is fighting Reeves about a scene where Robin sucks Batman off.

We ran out of pencils

Wasn't this "universe" killed because Gunn wanted full control of any new DC live action shit

>>213490801 (OP)
James Gunn is resentful about it and The Penguin being well received and not his.

>>213491338
700m is peanuts for Batman

I don't know why WB is being held hostage by Reeves. He's a nobody compared to top-tier directors and he has no right to be holding Batman hostage from the very company that owns him. It'd be better if he just ceded control and the DCU was whole. I mean, for fuck's sake, how can DC fuck itself over like this and have a Sony/Disney debacle INSIDE of it's own company? Just fire Reeves if he pushes back, give Pattinson a gold contract and make him the DCU Batman. Either go full DCU or go full Elseworlds. ENOUGH with this half-measure bullshit.

Anyone see this as the prolonged trainwreck that it is? The DCU is an outdated concept and Marvel will reboot and end the model that it birthed so how will DC justify keeping it alive? I think Supergirl and Clayface both bomb (or Clayface does decently) and Lanterns falls of a cliff in ratings after EP1 and they quietly scrap the DCU after The Batman II does a billion.

>>213491338
>>213491356
Yeah, a couple broccoli heads thought this whiny, effeminate take on Batman was bussin, but normies rejected it and still prefer Nolan. The producers were talking smack to Nolan and legitimately thinking they were going to beat The Dark Knight. Pure hubris and they failed spectacularly. Matt Reeves is one of those arrogant covert narcissists who act humble but have huge egos. He's a total nobody fag.

>>213491459
>Marvel will reboot and end the model that it birthed
they are rebooting to do the same thing again but slightly different since they have the fox stuff now but yes your point still stands. DC is riding off of an old formant
>>213491433
Gunn already has his own batman projects planned. Both him and Reeves stated that Revees' Batman is separate from the DCEU

Because capekino takes time, no need to rush it out.

>>213491430
It's the third highest grossing Batman film.
>>213491491
You've been obsessively posting this for years. No one cares.
The Batman was a critical darling, and grossed more than Batman Begins.
You're old and the new world replaced you.

>>213491502
The Dark Knight came out 3 years after Batman Begins

>>213491571
And it sucked, what's your point?

>>213491581
Based retard

>>213491571
It was shit besides the joker.

>>213490801 (OP)
Because it was disappointing and they're trying to scramble on how they should write part 2 while probably tying it into the DCU.

>>213491571
Batman Begins is way fucking better than The Dark Knight in almost every metric.

>>213491652
Dark Knight is hard carried by Heath, so much so that its commonly agreed he made Batman (played by fucking Christian Bale) a side character in his own movie

>>213491498
Sounds like PR bullshit to me, anon. They won't allow two main Batmen to co-exist because that devalues having an entire solo trilogy. Affleck never got a solo so he doesn't count. If this DCU Batman has his own movie, he has to be prioritized over Pattinson or the other way around. No two mainline Batman series can exist.

>>213491597
>one performance = good movie
The movie as a whole was fucking dogshit with some of the worst editing in history. The final act feels like an episode of Law & Order SVU directed by Frank Darabont.

Never watched this because Catwoman looked like a greasy crackhead.

>>213491665
>>213491652
Batman Begins is the one where Nolan put his 100% in. He only made TDK just because he wanted to do Joker (he stated this multiple times) and didn't care for much else. Aidan Gillen (CIA) famously said he was checked out while filming the third film and just wanted to get it over with. Begins was the only film he wanted to make a hundred percent.

>>213490801 (OP)
Stop letting directors write scripts. Half the time they’re just burning hours on messy drafts when an actual writer could’ve nailed it in half the time. Instead, we get a “vision” that feels like a first draft someone forgot to delete.

>>213491668
>Sounds like PR bullshit to me, anon
>its not true to me despite the directors of the respective films telling me otherwise
>because I said so, ok?
I hate people like you.

>Jesse Plemons in a Rorschach Elseworlds
apparently some scoopers say the A-list actor who pitched an Elseworlds movie to Gunn is this guy and he wants to play Rorschach. Thoughts?

>>213491684
>Name your movie Batman Begins
>Have no intention of Ending it
Bravo, Nolan

>>213491665
>Dark Knight is hard carried by Heath, so much so that its commonly agreed he made Batman (played by fucking Christian Bale) a side character in his own movie
wouldn't this be a writing thing?

>>213491701
This doesn't disprove anything I said. Why is TBaTB not moving along? Why doesn't it have a completed script? Why is a Supergirl movie in the DCU a priority over a Batman movie? Because they want Reeves to finish his trilogy then introduce DCU Batman.

>>213491708
Todd's death was unwarranted and completely ruined Jesse's potential arc.

Reeves is worried his anti-white shit won't be as well liked due to the anti dei pushback.

>>213491681
id fuck the shit out of Zoe Kravitz mmghhhh I need it.

>>213491709
>DOCTOR PAVEL? YO ONIONS CJNG

>>213491724
He had an arc. From alive to dead.

Begins gives me a reason to believe picrel would exist.
TDK does not.

>>213491708
he's one of the few good actors left in the business but i really doubt that gunn will greenlight this and deal with another phillips/phoenix headache. BUT it being a Watchmen project means that he can make it Elseworlds or rebrand it to New Line Cinema or some other WB studio.

>>213490801 (OP)
At this point, I don't care anymore. Stop rewarding people who are so self-absorbed they take 5+ years to make the next film. Some of the best films of the 80s and 90s came out in quick succession and were the better for not having crawled up their own asses.

>>213491752
The Begins suit looked ridiculous in TDK once they completely changed the aesthetic and architecture of Gotham to just be Chicago. You can make a case that TDK is not even set in the same timeline as BB.

>>213490801 (OP)
Penguin series over, Catwoman fucking it up. I don't envy the writers.

>>213491692
this. i remember when directors used to rarely write their shit, and when they did they had 2 or 3 actual writers helping them
>>213491734
isnt she kinda a psycho weirdo IRL?

>>213491763
>5 years JUST to write a script
Yeah, no, if I was Zazlav, I would fire this guy if he took more than a year. Full stop. His embarrassing "we're better than Nolan" quote shows how fucking delusional this guy is.

>>213490801 (OP)
I want them to bring him back.

>>213491773
>>213491692
There's a special breed of narcissist that wants to be called an "auteur" as in they pretend filmmaking is like painting or novel writing and they want to do all the important stuff themselves. These people are kidding themselves and are delusional. Film is not an art medium. it's a commercial medium for the dumb masses to consume for 2 hours like a theme park ride.

>>213491767
Yep.
Nolan took out what fantasy elements he had with atmosphere and had to once again update the suit so it would look even less like Batman.

James Gunn shut it down
>>213491433
t.gunn

>>213491791
The Batman II: He Knows
>>213491801
Makes sense since it was just more cost effective and Nolan didn't care. He just did the sequel so he'd use his ideas he had for a Joker interpretation and that's it. Which is why every piece of dialogue that's not Heath's is shit.

>>213491668
We had Pattinson in 2022 and then Keaton/Affleck the following year.

>>213490801 (OP)
Avengers Infinity War and Endgame came out a year a part within eachother. Stop the excuses. this is un acceptable. just do the marvel route and say "hey if we cant get this project of the ground we will just cancel it"

>>213490801 (OP)
Contract negotiations are getting slowed down by Zoe Kravitz refusing the wear catsuits anymore and Robert Pattinson refusing to agree to film the scene where Bruce gets raped to death.

>>213491817
They were not in their own solo movie. That's the difference here, fuckface.
>>213491832
OH SHIT! JACKIE RETURNS?!

>>213491816
I agree. It's a film totally saved by Heath as Joker. Batman is retarded in that movie and at the whim of a literal homeless person in makeup.

>>213491853
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>>213491816
Samefagging hard here.

>>213491734
she has a cute little butt. she's shown it off many times

>>213491868
Are you retarded? He's replying to me and I'm replying to him.
You've highlighted two of my replies and one of his replies to me.
Conversations include a back and forth.

>>213491883
Ignore the schizophrenic waste of life who's parents disowned him and he will die alone and afraid. Anyway, back to it. What do you think of Rises? I loved Bane until the final reveal of him being some pussywhipped cuckold. Like TDK, Nolan put everything he had into the villain and let everyone else have shit dialogue and shit storylines.

>>213490801 (OP)
Warners is run by ham fisted incompetents that dont want to make superhero movies but feel compelled by market forces to do so

>>213491913
I think Batman is more a part of his own movie in Rises, but bringing back The League of Shadows was annoying. Robin also sucked ass.
And yeah Bane be nothing more than a lackey was disappointing. It was like The Mandarin being a drunk loser in Iron Man 3 and some electrical dude being the main villain.

>>213490801 (OP)
They didn't expect The Penguin to be a huge success

>>213491955
>>213491913
Samefagging again anon.

>>213491955
I disagree on the League. Bringing back the League was wise but the execution was horrible. Bane should've been Ra's son and Talia should've been his sister. They should've borrowed a lot more from TDKR and Miller and made the Robin here a child from the orphanage, not a random cop who you can still have but not be Robin for fucks sake. Also, include Riddler as the Joker stand-in.

>>213491983
I kind of liked The League as a one and done, but yes if they were going to do it I'd at least have Bane be on the same level of importance as Talia.
Do you not think Riddler would have overstuffed the film?

>>213491795
>There's a special breed of narcissist that wants to be called an "auteur" as in they pretend filmmaking is like painting or novel writing and they want to do all the important stuff themselves.
this is the perfect way to describe it. it goes both ways as well. there's a reason why writers arent directing films.

>>213492005
Not if you turn him into Mr. Reese and make him discovering Bruce as Batman into an actual important plot point than a throwaway scene. Scarecrow being back as the court judge was probably the better compromise but I would've preferred that being given to Riddler and him having a more susbtantial role. Also, the movie should've not ended with that contrived cofee shop scene but with Batman actually dead so his sacrifice means something.

>>213491763
>Some of the best films of the 80s and 90s came out in quick succession
That sentiment cuts both ways, as evidenced by Aliens and Terminator 2, both of which released seven years after their predecessor.
Here's a short list of notable sequels with notable release gaps:
>Aliens (7 years)
>Back to the Future Part II (4 years)
>Bride of Frankenstein (4 years)
>The Color of Money (5 years)
>Dawn of the Dead (10 years)
>Day of the Dead (7 years)
>Evil Dead II (6 years)
>Goldeneye (6 years)
>Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (5 years)
>Police Story 3 (4 years)
>Terminator 2 (7 years)
That's not even including more contemporary sequels, I.E. from this century.

>>213492009
It's all a cope by the midwits who would be drawn to working on films to begin with. These people could never hack it as actual artists with actual talent so they just appropriate a non-artistic medium and try to play pretend as great artists. Even a random comic book has more artistic value and craft than any film. Film is a fucking joke of a medium. If something requires an obscene amount of money to practice then it's not an art form.

>>213492026
Bruce should have died and Reese as Riddler is a good idea. I guess they could have worked him into the script somehow.
Especially if they took out Catwoman, who I didn't find to be that important. It tied into the whole class message, but I didn't care much for her.

>>213491832
>Zoe Kravitz refusing the wear catsuits anymore
Fired. Next! (That's how you deal with these shenanigans)

>>213491708
>Jesse Plemons
>A-list actor

Maybe on planet retard

>>213492009
A great example of a writer who wants to pretend to be a director is S. Craig Zahler. He's a screenwriter who directs just so his lines aren't cut or rewritten and his movies look like Asylum-tier slop and he has no actual grasp of how people talk and how lines are said.

>>213492037
all it takes is a twenty dollar used camera.
you're conflating successful with achievable.

>>213491684
TDKR was horse trading from Nolan. WB didn't want to give him the money for Inception, he didn't want to complete the Batman trilogy.

The script is already finished. The movie starts filming in the spring

>>213492040
Catwoman should've never been included. She was the worst part of Rises by far. You keep Talia pretending to be Miranda Tate as the main villain and have her betray Bruce to Bane in the back-breaking scene. Catwoman was completely redudant and forced into it by WB.

>>213492031
>That sentiment cuts both ways, as evidenced by Aliens and Terminator 2, both of which released seven years after their predecessor.
These are exceptions. I'll happily take my chances with good-faith directors that release at least one film a year. This pretentious "I'm making it my own and I'm making le cinema" crap is old and tired now. Just have some damned work ethic.

>>213492065
No. Film is not an art form. Walk back what you just said. A twenty dollar USED camera does....what? What the FUCK can you do with that? Nothing, dude. Film is a medium for rich people to play artist, dude. It's not an actual art form anyone can tap into like drawing, comic books, music or books.

>>213492031
>>The Color of Money (5 years)

*25 years

>>213492085
Exactly my thoughts. Cinema will never be art. People call Nolan pretentious and think he thinks film is art but he sees it for the sensationalist glorified theme park ride that it is and is not actually all that pretentious compared to your average A24 shit-eater.

>>213492083
>Catwoman should've never been included.
ok so now ur just saying bullshit

>>213492083
I like that more.
I think somehow working Riddler with the Robin angle makes sense, seeing how both of them figure out Batman's identity, but having Riddler be at an orphanage is too much like Reeves' movie.

>>213492095
it gets you a movie? moving images. film your shots and then watch them back.
film is just as accessible as music, or painting, or writing

>>213492131
At the MOST, cast someone else other than Anne Hathaway who has the sex appeal of a fucking library worker.
>>213492145
Robin should've been a kid and JGL should've been Dick Grayson or someone else. Make JGL and a kid from the orphanage Batman AND Robin. It also would've given JGL more to do if he had a kid to take care of rather than just go around and be a walking plot device.

>>213492170
No, it's not. It's for rich people to gather around and show each other glorified pornos. Art is writing and painting and whAre you like 19 years old or something and want to go to film school? Please don't fucking be this gullible.

>>213492196
Yeah maybe his adopted son or something. Fucking hell Rises could have been so much better.

>>213492085
>These are exceptions to a rule I can't establish
You can, but then you get people like Wes Craven. Don't get me wrong, he was an entertaining dude and I love him, but three Screams in four years? Christ.
Speaking of which, even he had the sense to wait a decade before personally revisiting A Nightmare on Elm Street, and it worked.
All I'm saying is get your fuckin' knickers out of their twist. There isn't one right or wrong way to approach filmmaking, and any potential solution to your imaginary problem is not to just go full throttle.
>>213492105
Thanks for the fix.

>>213492095
>A twenty dollar USED camera does....what?
>Film is a medium for rich people to play artist, dude
>It's not an actual art form anyone can tap into like drawing, comic books, music or books

Cope.

One of the directors in DCEU was recruited to Hollywood after he made no-budget short films with cheap cameras. He didn't have any other cast and crew other than himself and his wife. They had so little money that they had to use lights bought from Ikea to light their shots.

>>213492224
There's endless ways to fix Rises, none of which Nolan even tried because he never cared about Batman and just used the character as a lay-up for himself in the industry. I don't knock the hustle but it's true. Same thing with Phillips who wanted to make a Holocaust allegory movie about a Jew living in America and about how he was abused and ignored by WASP society but turned it into a Joker movie because otherwise it wouldn't sell.

>>213492210
you're not making much of a case. you're just insisting that you're right.
again, a successful film is not determined by its budget. same as a book or a piece of art.
it's determined by the amount of people who see it. and if no one sees it, it can still have merit.
can you refute this?

>>213492244
>one meager cherrypicked misrepresented example is the rule and that means I, a nobody posting on 4chan, can make it too!
Anon, please....just get a grip, I'm begging you. for your own good.

>>213492274
One person can write and make copies of a book, comic book or music CD and sell it.
Not the same thing with film which would need excessive money to be viewable by anyone other than your family who wants you to grow the fuck up and get an actual job. Lol.

>>213492261
It really does make me love Begins even more. There are times where I wish Joker was in Begins. It would have been overcrowded, and possibly even ruin it, but Heath is just forever confined to a shitty movie.

>>213492298
why would it need excessive money?
just copy and paste the link to it.
that's even cheaper than making copies of a book or piece of art.

>>213492283
>cherrypicked
Wrong.

>misrepresented
Wrong.

>that means I, a nobody posting on 4chan, can make it too!
Yes because he was once a nobody who didn't even live in the US.

I'm sorry that life fucked you in the ass and that your dad didn't love you enough to keep your mind intact through all the cosmic buttfucking that you had to endure. It must be difficult to be so bitter that even when you see some light at the end of a tunnel, you gouge out your eyes so you don't have to look at the obvious trap anymore. I hope you go quietly into the good night instead of traumatizing a train driver or something. For their good.

>>213492298
>film which would need excessive money to be viewable by anyone other than your family

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUQhNGEu2KA

18.5 million views on YouTube alone. Budget: zero.

Seethe more, ghoul.

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>>213492398
The guy who made that is probably upper middle class and the budget was not zero. You will never be a filmmaker. Let it the fuck go and stop living vicariously through others.

>>213492316
The Joker could've worked just fine in Begins, actually, you just replace Scarecrow with him.

>>213492505
you really are conflating success with ability.

>>213492398
What an unsurprisingly deranged post from some shabbos goy who worships consumerist media and wants to be part of a circle he will never be accepted in. Sick fucking loser. David F. Sandberg was a man living in a rich Nordic country with connections. You're a loser and you will DIE a loser.

>>213492542
You will die a nobody who never achieved his dream. You either make amends with that now or you suffer your whole life for it.

What the FUCK was Reeves thinking?

>>213492561
not my dream to be a filmmaker but okay.
my dream is to make what I want to make. whether or not anyone loves it or gives me a million bucks isn't my priority.
it would be nice. just like getting asked to paint the Sistene Chapel would be nice.
but my art is for me.

>HE BACKTRACKED
LOOOOL you can't make this shit up

>>213492520
I can see that working. Have Ra's appeal to Joker and let him go cause chaos.

>>213492679
who are you talking to?

>>213492702
It's like in Arkham Origins where Joker is a small-time guy rising up in the underworld and him working with the League is what gets him over. It actually makes me mad that Nolan didn't think of it first. A BB with Joker in it would've been 10/10.

>>213492505
>he's still seething and spreading his bile all over the place

Reality check: You could have fulfilled your dreams. There was nothing stopping you apart from your inherent lack of talent and your learned helplessness. No financial barrier. No grand conspiracy. You just failed. Probably didn't even try because why bother, you'll inevitably fail just like you've failed with everything else in your life.

David F. Sandberg was unemployed and is a diagnosed autist. The budget was zero unless you count the electricity they used while making the short. He didn't have any connections to the Swedish film industry and he couldn't get any funding from Swedish funding bodies.

>>213492544
>What an unsurprisingly deranged post
>SHABBOS GOY WHO WORSHIPS CONSUMERIST MEDIA
>SICK FUCKING LOSER
>YOU'RE A LOSER AND YOU WILL DIE A LOSER

Kek.

>>213492761
I like that much more. Then instead of the fear theme, have it be about chaos. The chaos that lead to the death of the Waynes, and that how even as Batman, Bruce can't control things.
There will always be crime but he can fight it when it arises. Call it The Dark Knight instead, over Batman Begins, and have that be a one and done.

>he's talking to himself again and projecting
>thinks being a jew goyim slave who makes dumb movies that are of no use to anyone in the real world is the pinnacle of success
i diagnose you with severe lack of bullet to the fucking head. may God not have any mercy on your soul and sentence you to the lowest hell there is.

>>213492805
That sounds so right. Like we're in the wrong timeline. It always did bother me how BB wasn't The Dark Knight, then the sequel continued that naming convention like 2 is Falls and 3 is Rises. The Nolan trilogy is nothing but missed opportunities. All Batman movies are always missing the obvious for me.

>>213492876
I think people want to stretch it farther than it can go without being destroyed.
Not that these characters are shallow, but there's only so much you can do. Its best to put your best foot forward rather than wait for nine sequels.

Batman Begins and TDK are miles ahead of this garbage. The audacity of the midman fans is something.

Movie is gonna be balls.

>>213492583
Reeves is everything Nolan haters accuse Nolan of being. An edgelord who brainlessly applies realism to Batman flicks. This is awful and arguably a worse interpretation of the Joker than Leto.

>White People playing the knockout game.
Sure movie sure...

>>213492825
At least I still have a soul.

>there's a guy in this thead blatantly samefagging just to give his banal retarded takes on the trilogy
lmao

>>213493080
>thead

>>213492583
I like that Joker design looks like he got fucked by acid

>>213490948
Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

>>213490801 (OP)
Because this was a bomb, its already forgotten about, and it was woke slop and now that stuffs not profitable anymore

>DCU DCU DCU DCU DCU
People are so obsessed with the idea of tying this in with 20 other random movies instead of just having a good Batman movie.

No idea why people like this movie so much. Bruce isn't some joyless humourless fag. People need to stop trying to adapt Frank Miller.

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>>213491816
huge meltie