Episode rating:
>Episode 1: "Here We Woe Again"
7.5/10
>Episode 2: "The Devil You Woe"
8/10
>Episode 3: "Call of the Woe"
9/10
>Episode 4: "If These Woes Could Talk"
7.5/10

Verdict:
- Kino (8/10)
- Nigh imperceptibly weaker than season 1 but could change with part 2
- Needs as many more seasons as they can make
- Central hook feels weaker than season 1, and all the red herrings are being solved so quickly don't really help (though better than them dangling them in front of us for the entire season)
- Some of the weaker parts of this season are the remnants of season 1 plots, like the siren girl's mother subplot and the hyde subplot that I felt didn't need recycling and kind of weigh it down. But I understand that Burton and the producers might not want to just abandon the actors which I can respect.
- Agnes character *chef's kiss*. Enid underutilized. Really really like how the rest of the Addams have more involvement this season. Every Gomez scene is gold. Enjoyed the Zorro reference for Catherine Zeta-Jones, Pugsley's actor stands out too and is quite reminiscent of Raul Julia's Gomez.
- Liked all the famous faces Christopher Lloyd (old Fester), Ricci of course, Billie Piper (though her character in the first four episodes seems underdeveloped), and Buscemi of course with his fellow kids reference.
- World-building is great this season as well, like how they're following the trend of each episode generally having a different school event/setting. Camp episode is the strongest for that reason so far.
- Writing is a bit less snappier than the first season. Wednesday's wordplay carried every scene in the first season, this time not so much. One of the best scenes was the driving instructor scene and it was just the result of having a good foil to play Wednesday's character off of, no high production values necessary.

I feel like they need to introduce some other big mysteries in order for the season to resolve in a satisfying way.

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I feel like they need to introduce some other big mysteries in order for the season to resolve in a satisfying way.
Premonition of Enid's gravestone isn't really that interesting... and either the next episode or the one after is clearly going to be about the Gala which they hinted at in the fourth episode.

>>213520315 (OP)
What about Tim Burton's animation scene?

Why does Emma love brown guys so much?

Snood's outfits and makeup are so kino this season. The makeup and outfit teams really shined this season. A lot of characters pop because of it

>>213520352
Also, not once have I seen an anon bring up Haley Joel Osment

I'm meant to see Wednesday and her family as bad people who need to be locked up right?
They cause a multi car pile up and the son is responsible for that boy scout leader getting his brains eaten.

>>213520398
Why didn't you answer my question? Don't you have an opinion? It's not that hard to tell what you thought of that.

>>213520399
It's not based in our reality. It's based on the Addams Family universe
Watch the 90s movies, it's all tongue and cheek and morbid. Death is pretty much a joke when it comes to Addams Family

Love the world-building in this show. Someone involved really understands the importance of mapping things out and giving us visual context of where things are situated in relation to each other.
Though the absence of Willow Hill Psychiatric Hospital on the map seems to be a missed opportunity, unless I can't see it.

>>213520411
Oh sorry, not sure what you expected. I thought it was a kino call back to Tim Burton's orgins and hopefully people (gen z) do a deep dive into his creative mind and get inspired to create their own pieces of art.

>>213520352
It was ok. I know Burton did Corpse Bride but I always attributed stop-motion to Henry Selick.

>>213520686
>we have hogwarts at home

Based on the direction Wednesday goes in the car, Willow Hill Psychiatric Hospital is probably to the south off the map.

I must be autistic.

>turns up drunk/high to the fan screening
I think she’s done with this show

>>213521673
Snood is pissed off at her

>>213520315 (OP)
Did a grown man really wrote all that?

>>213521673
Season 3 already confirmed.

>>213521750
A 66 year old man made the show.

>>213521780
It’ll be the final one I think.
They’ll all be too busy with other projects for season 4 to ever fit everyone’s schedule

>>213520315 (OP)
Hunter Doohan and Percy Hynes White are relentlessly handsome.

>>213521964
It'll depend on Netflix and audience reaction to seasons 2 and 3 ultimately.
Can't imagine any of the big names passing on Netflix money and opportunity to work with Burton, probably the biggest name still in the business along with James Cameron.
Plus this project is also triple whammy for probably being really fun for the cast to shoot (cool locations) and being a cultural phenomenon. It's like Netflix got their own Harry Potter franchise dropped on their lap from a fluke, and I could totally see someone like Disney bidding for the rights to turn it into theme park.

This show is easily ten times better than Stranger Things which somehow made it to 5 seasons. But then again fads like M3G4N flopped so audiences are fickle.

>>213521137
Never mind I'm wrong about the direction the direction the Addams family took to Nevermore since they clearly approach from across the lake, so it's the grey road on the map, so where Carl died is probably also wrong.

>>213522235
but then there's this shot right after where the lake is on their right making it look like they're on the yellow highway coming on from the east.
This is UNWATCHABLE

Part 2 is going to be a spectacle, I can't wait.
Looks like a return to Pilgrim World but now it's bigger and better with Halloween decorations.

>>213522361
Wow, the whole park looks authentic and not CGI,It makes me feel like a 90s mystery movie.. I appreciate that. Netflix is spending a fortune on the show, and I hope it's a hit.

And of course an episode with the Gala.
If this show goes beyond three seasons I'll have to imagine they're going to have to figure out more locations for it since Nevermore and the surrounding areas seem almost fully explored by now.

>>213522401
There was an amusement park/carnival setting in Wednesday season 1 episode 1 too and also Pilgrim's world then too but it looks like it was expanded.
I can't think of what 90s mystery movies you mean though, I can only think of Final Destination 3?
Hellfest (2018) has a really authentic and kickass Hallowen amusement park setting though, you should watch it.

>>213522378
But where are your screengrabs of the close ups of Wednesday’s face??

Other Netflix shows with great locations in recent memory:

Bodkin (the town by the lake, lots of panoramic and contextual shots, also decorated for Halloween/Samhain)
Fear Street Part Two 1978 (the campground)
Rim of the World (bad movie, but the opening scenes of the campground were great)
Babysitter Killer Queen (the party by the reservoir and the houseboat)

It just kind of sucks now.

>>213522842
They’re trying to make it too much of an ensemble show instead of focusing everything on Wednesday
A mistake.

>>213522857
What bothers me is that all the characters seem changed. And I dont mean catherine zeta jones being unrecognisable.
I mean eugene is now kind of a bland dick. Enid is now kind of a bland bitch. Wendesday is now kind of bland bitch. Ajax is now kind of a bland bitch. All the new characters except the invisible girl and buscemi are bland dicks and bitches.

>>213520315 (OP)
Episode 3 with the boyscouts was retarded beyond words.
Whole school of vampires and werewolves and invisible people and whatever davincis are supposed to be get dunked on by normies.

heartbreaking enid became a cheater whore

Hydes need a redesign they look retarded. Clearly they want people to wanna fuck Tyler so remake the design

>>213523735
Yeah why have gorgon back or just say they broke up over the summer. Gorgon must have a larger role in s2 or this is literally wasted time

>>213520686
The people look like background sprites from 2000s video games

>>213520315 (OP)
i laughed harder in this season so thats something

>you now realise that the love triangle story arc from season 1 was actually very good

>>213523885
It was shit and pointless, but netflix should know the audience of the show. The love triangle was probably the biggest reason the vast majority of viewers (female teenagers, adult females who are still mental teenagers and troons) watched it.

Not having any romance in season 2 for the MC those chicks all selfinsert into is a terrible idea, cause those chicks don't give a fuck about how bad the writing is as long as they can fingerblast themselves to it.
Also considering the way netflix handled the two dudes from season 1 (xavier getting kicked off the project for being a degenerate retard while tyler has been turned into an irredeemable antagonist) and the way ortega has been bitching about romance in the show means that that ship has sailed for good.

>>213524164
Xavier sucked anyway, no charisma and not terribly likeable. Tyler at least has something going on, if they made his hyde form more fuckable I think they'd have hit a female gold mine

Buscemi and the new music teacher are obvious red herrings, right?

>>213524294
I like when Wednesday called him a terrible barista in the asylum scene lmao. I wish there were more normie outcast interactions, it would've been cool if Tyler hadn't been the villain and they could of kept up the bizarre normie/outcast dynamic.

>>213524330
I hope Buscemi just continues his own side plots everything connected sucks. Teacher is such an obvious herring that she might be involved since its so obvious

>Enid has a retarded love triangle subplot, worse than the one from S1
>Bruno is as interesting as watching paint dry
>Barely any interactions between Pugsley and Wednesday
>Barely any interactions between Wednesday and Enid despite Enid's relevancy in the plot
I really like the production design (you can tell they increased the budget in the right places) and how the season leans more into being a whimsical-creepy comedy instead of retarded teen drama, but the script is running thin because of so many subplots and what >>213523138 said. For how many flaws S1 had, at least the character interactions felt more organic.
It might be too soon to tell since this is the first four episodes, but I don't feel like the show has done any progression with characters nor with the mystery.
>>213523735
This could have worked if they had shown her personality changing in the actual episodes, instead of Enid's dialogue being "I changed, I changed!" and becoming a background character afterwards. Wednesday's parents might be the problem, they're taking too much screentime.

Whole lotta shilling going on. This show is lame as fuck

>>213524330
Music teacher likely involved because of the "play dead" note and then she appeared to Wednesday next scene like "oh Wednesday you need to remember to let the notes control you not the other way around" bullshit. I'm honestly surprised Wednesday was retarded enough not to confront her on that.

I'm hoping buscemi is red herring or he has other motives besides killing people

>>213524164
Most of the teen/young adult women who watch the show want Wednesday to be a dyke

>>213524294
>>213524344
If they wanted to do a wednesday romance that feels semi-believable they should have scrapped the triangle/xavier stuff in season 1 and make it a slowburn with the hyde over multiple seasons, anything else isn't believable.

Personally I feel the show's concept itself was just doomed to be slop from the get go, they've had as many good ideas as bad ones.

>>213524405
>I changed, I changed!
It's so much worse though
>I'm now the popular girl so I dont want the guy who loved my when I was an insecure outcast among outcasts
fucking red pill

>>213524365
>>213524431
That's why she's a red herring just like brienne was always involved in shady shit and trying to cover everything up but turns out she's still one of the good ones.

>>213524486
>Most of the teen/young adult women who watch the show want Wednesday to be a dyke

*Most of the teen/young adult women who watch the show and are invested enough to start talking about it online want Wednesday to be a dyke

>>213524405
I mean that one scene with the two of them chained up was cute. Beside that it hard to get a read on what Bruno personality is like beside he chill guy with werewolf late puberty problem like Enid

Just found out that Jenna Ortega is 4ft11in

>>213521735
These two definitely fuck

>>213520315 (OP)
so are we getting part 2 of season 2 this year? next year? the year after?

Did Wednesday show her fat latina tits yet

>>213526134
as they should

>>213526277
3rd of September

>>213520315 (OP)
>Part 1
No fucking way, the S2 is in 2 parts? After 3 years? LMAO

>>213527047
God pretty girls touching each other is so hot.

>>213522098
>Burton, probably the biggest name still in the business along with James Cameron
>a cultural phenomenon. It's like Netflix got their own Harry Potter franchise dropped on their lap from a fluke, and I could totally see someone like Disney bidding for the rights to turn it into theme park
Anon...

b

>>213523259
That's in keeping with the universe lore though. Like in the 1991 and 1993 movies regular humans can contend with outcasts and are often portrayed as more monstrous.

>>213528721
DId they even have outcasts back then? I only remember the one kid grew up to be harmony from buffy.

>>213524330
>>213524431
I think Principal Dort, while a red herring unrelated to the main plot, won't be anything but a minor villain because using the siren's power to secure funding is pretty much irredeemable behaviour. They made it so he saved Thing so that was interesting though. I guess he'll be one of those morally grey characters that will nonetheless be fired or get their comeuppance.

It's just really odd how they've kept the music teacher shrouded in such mystery. We don't know if she has any powers at all. I mean yea she gave Wednesday the clue to rescue Enid from Agnes but that whole thing was just a prank... and I mean there's no way she could be aunt Ophelia either unless they pull some shenanigans.

>>213527874
I mean it's sort of true though isn't it.
All the other roster of current directors kind of suck and only make generic cookie cutter slop with no unique stylistic vision like Burton or Cameron. I guess Gunn also has a recognizable style with Scooby Doo but he's never made anything as good as the best Burton stuff.

Plus Nightmare Before Christmas is already part of the Disney universe. Maybe they won't dedicate an entire theme park to it like Zootopia in Shanghai, but I can see the Wednesday universe along with The Nightmare Before Christmas and Hocus Pocus becoming part of the Disney Parks Halloween canon.

That rendition of bad moon rising was cringe as fuck and I fucking love that song so you have to put a lot of work into making me hate it.

>>213527781
Where did you see that happen?

>>213529012
Yea they didn't have outcasts as a define group of people back then but I'm just using it as shorthand for the "monster" characters vs the explicitly 'normal' characters. Like Joan Cusack and the characters without powers from the first movie were pretty competent at contending with the supernatural monsters out of sheer ruthlessness, like the angry mobs with torches and pitchforks from Frankenstein.

>>213520315 (OP)
Your input is appreciated.

>>213520398
Shit will be so cash when the final scene of S2 is Wednesday finding him standing over Enid's scalped body. Always finish off your prey, girly.

I'm so disappointed the scene with her tied up was barely anything. It's my fetish. I will keep watching though.

>>213529282
Plus ever since Disney lost the bid to the Wizarding World franchise I bet they're looking for something that's the equivalent and Wednesday is pretty much that on a silver platter.
The universe has endless possibilities.
But the problem is Netflix would probably not let go of it.

>>213520686
They are scratching the HP vibes, no wonder wednesday is a success

i liked it but idk why her visions arent working and if someone is really going to die

>>213522235
>>213522295
>>213520686
This looks nice

>>213530306
I originally thought it was something like Aunt Ophelia psychically blocking her.
We still don't know if she's dead or what.

>>213520399
Yes and no. Wednesday is both a cold sadist and a noble vigilante. The rest are puckish rogues and menaces to society, depending on what the scene calls for. There's no consistency because it's a comedy.

>>213520686
I'm really having a hard time with this show, I thought the whole vibe of the Addams family was they never considered themselves strange or outcasts, they always thought they were perfectly normal and were not aware that other people thought they were weird.

But now they are "Outcasts" and everyone else is "Normies" and they go to this Outcast school.

S1 was slopkino, s2 is just slop. I find it hard to care about any of the characters or the plot

>>213520315 (OP)
I remember watching the first few episodes of Season 1, but when I saw Wendy fight some guys in a coffee shop, it left me with a bad feeling, it threw me off. And I never finished it, but God, 3 years for 16 episodes.

Who is Wednesday's love interest now that the barista twink is out of the way?

>>213530625
What happened to the long haired Wednesday Love Interest dude? I thought it was proved the anonymous twitter allegation against him was made up and bullshit?

>>213530625
It should be another girl

>>213530625
The only possible male choice is Ajax but there's not even a remote chance.
If there was one they'd have introduced him by now.

>>213530625
there's none, this season was so plot heavy that we had literally 0 interaction between wedwed and other classmates

>>213530887
>>213530927
grim

>>213530625
Enid I'm calling it. Though it may be a bit painful if Enid's the one doing the finger blasting

>>213523735
Her ass must smell great

Why did they start focusing so much on the rest of the family this season? I thought part of the appeal of the first season was the fact that it wasn't just a rehash of the same story we've been told a million times. idk I just really don't give a shit about Pugsley or Gomez or anything like that

>>213530625
The problem is what type of character could you pair her up with without it seeming completely out of character and retarded? Mind you that was a problem in season 1 already.

Maybe if they rewrote parts of tylers character they could have done some bonnie and clyde/hyde type shit with them, but that's over and done with.

Imo they should just shelf the romance entirely and hire better writers so the plot is more interesting

>Do NOT mess with me!

>>213531294
Gomez=kino
Morticia=meh
Pugsley=cringe

>>213531294
because its way easier to make some stuff related to the family than all those random classmates that to be honest no one really cares that much, i dont care about the sirens mother or even enids boyfriends, its way funnier seeing the family

>>213531411
guzman is terrible casting for gomez

A show made for 14 year old girls
mostly watched by men in their 30s

>>213520438
The Addams family was always propaganda to demonstrate how just because some people have different values to yours and a wildly different culture it doesn’t mean they’re evil or out to get you. In reality, of course, things didn’t really work out that way but they were meant to represent how Mr. and Mrs. Sanchez or Dindu moving into the house across from you wasn’t the end of the world.

Current Addams and most of the supernatural menagerie are simply a bunch of sadistic assholes that the pilgrims were right to want to burn at the stake.

>>213531411
>>213531430
I think neither of them are interesting
Enid and eugene who were likeable in season 1 are both cunts now, most of the at least decently acted if not particularly interesting support from season 1 is dead and gone (ricci, sheriff, weems) and ortega's wednesday got real boring and wooden too in season 2

Season 1 was ok but 2 so far is just kinda shit all around

>>213520686
Can they show pajeets how castles are actually built and how their surroundings look like? This is like a glitch

>>213531399
>She will never use those claws on you

>>213525127
Imagine.

>>213531461
I know but when put next to the rest of the family he's kino in comparison haha

>>213531294
I like her family scenes but yea, they don't really know what to do with them this season.
They were actually integral and a strong point to season 1's main story, this season not so much. I still like how they make the stay at school feel less lonely.
I think Grandmama was mischaracterized though. She needed to be much more ethnic in manner.

>>213520315 (OP)
Wednesday? Wodensdayyy? Detective Disco? Chopsticks in the eye?

>>213531507
>A show made by a 66 year old man
People always forget this when they're criticizing some aspect of some piece of 'children's media'.
30 something year old men are going to understand something a 66 year old man made than tween girls.

>>213531741
redo that post

>>213531775
*more than
What are you talking about.

>>213531522
I think originally they just represented regular Spanish/Italian/Romani people lol.

>>213531722
A finger in the bum?

>>213530675
Truth doesn't matter to leftists

*ding ding*

>>213530625
Nobody. Jenna demanded that Wednesday stay single and the writers caved. For now.

>>213532264
jenna and snood were having at it backstage

Writers have a gaybait history...
>>213532315 >>213530738

>>213532264
>>213531127
I could see Jenna relenting to the no relationships thing if they suggested Enid was endgame for Wednesday

>>213532264
That's dumb

>>213531294
Variety and comic relief. You can only have so many scenes centre on le stoic before it gets monotonous.

Also they're probably testing the waters to decide the best lead for a spinoff when Jenna gets tired of the role.

>>213532709
>You can only have so many scenes centre on le stoic before it gets monotonous.
So have more scenes with Snood

>>213532624
Absolutely insane that it took this long, this board is in a sorry fucking state

>>213520374
Typical white girl

>>213524486
It's over

cant believe you fags actually watched this shit. hahahah

>>213532908
Tylerbros, we're back

>>213532908
That's because she's fucking Agnes instead

>how do you do fellow people who didn't work on the show

>>213520686
Contradicts
>>213522235

>>213520458
Kino is playing. I used to watch the first season several times as background noise.The show is very atmospheric and the photography was great. It really seems like a Burton film divided into 8 parts, at no time does the show feel cheap.

>>213533313
It's over

>>213530625
Her brother.

>>213533334
The clearing could be hidden by other trees.

>>213530625
Agnes

Season 1 got by having the girls dressing up every episode.
Season 2 doesn't do that at all.
This show is identical to Riverdale where it should be slice of life romance but they make it horror to be subversive because promoting healthy relationships is forbidden in western media.

>>213533286
NIgger he just put her in a fucking coma

Now I'm aware that'd be the equivalent of a wedding proposal in the old addams family films, but that's definitely not what it is in the new stuff

>>213533593
It's like if you got Enid and Wednesdays characters and put them in a blender and then sprinkled on the whole invisibility/stalker element. Not complaining though. If Wednesday and Enid could have a child, Agnes is pretty much what you'd get.

>>213533729
18 2 post, buddy

>>213520315 (OP)
Addams family is fucking cringe. The entire idea is fucking gay
>How about le heckin dark Halloween people
>But GET THIS
>THEYRE ACTUALLY A HECKIN WHOLSOME CHUNGUS FAMILY!!!
>1000 UPDOOTS TO YOU GOOD SIR!

>>213531294
Acting is all such minor roles now that they are spread thin over years they have to force them into the plot or nobody will do it. I don't understand how the even more minor characters bother. Quit your actual job for 2 weeks of work every couple years?

>>213533593
This. They have great chemistry.

>>213533598
As if Gomez and Morticia aren't as healthy as relationships get

>>213533793
Agnes is 13 so yea she wouldn't be able to post here.

>>213529282
Based. I really like Burton and I'm happy that he's having success with Wednesday.
Tim is truly one of the few remaining big names in Hollywood who keeps doing things on his own artistic terms.

>>213534016
Yeah but he's kind of a douchebag.

>>213534016
*pls god get me out of this relationship*

>>213534098
>Yeah but he's kind of a douchebag

Why?

>>213534147
>oh I'm so dark and brooding
doesn't work as well when you're 60

What role does Lady Gaga play?

>>213534462
Nobody knows

>>213533889
for me was
>How about le heckin dark Halloween people
>But GET THIS
>everyone in the school is le heckin dark Halloween people
In fact, once you realize the Addams dont have many superpowers they arent even the weird guys of the town anymore

>>213534209
It's an acquired taste.
I love these old goths like you wouldn't believe.
Smith is the exact same age as Burton too.

>>213534681
I think the Addams special ability is durability, like you can't kill them.

I just marathoned S2 Episode 1. AMA

>>213535351
Is it Kino?

>>213535390
It was very Burtonesque. I am indifferent to the mystery stuff so it gets 8/10