Thread 213530354

Was Napoleon unironically a genius?
>total nobody at 25, no royal connections, little wealth. (Italy was a backwater shithole similar to Louisiana)
>became the most promising Politician just 10 years later with nothing but his charisma
>created the most gigantic mass movement in human history from scratch. (Democratic Bonapartism)
>created an entire ideology from scratch. (Democratic Bonapartism)
>got rid of hunger and unemployment
>gave a defeated and demoralised people their faith and confidence back
>told the French they're the best people in the world in a time when they were considered a joke
>literally risked his own life in French Revolutionary Wars for his nation
>whenever he spoke the crowd became fucking ecstatic, almost like under a spell
>conquered all of Europe and almost Russia
>conquered more territory than Caesar or Alexander in a ridiculously short time
>withstood the entire planet for 12 years
>still lost due to betrayal by Murat and Grouchy
>went down fighting till the last second, didn't even consider surrendering.
>Was charismatic enough to avoid execution unlike Mussolini.

Seriously, was he even a human? There must have been demonic possession involved or aliens or some shit because there is no way that 1 person can achieve so fucking much in a single lifetime and have such a titanic willpower

>>213530354 (OP)
>>went down fighting till the last second, didn't even consider surrendering.
Uhhhhh

>>213530354 (OP)
>be genius
>???
>pick horrible lover

>>213530354 (OP)
he was very much a man who lived in the shadow of robespierre. if robespierre had never fallen, or never existed, he would have been truly great and have carried out the necessary reforms that would have saved the revolution. as it stands, murat (a total imbecille) progressed nearly as far as him and was the preferred replacement of fouche and talleyrand with whom he effectively formed a triumvirate.

>>213530354 (OP)
>went down fighting till the last second, didn't even consider surrendering.

>>213530354 (OP)
Frontly reminded that any one of us could be Napoleon and just not know it. All we have to do is get off our lazy asses and who am I kidding that's never going to happen

>>213530354 (OP)
That's what larping as a Roman Bvll does a to a mf
not joking tho if you read about the lives of these greater than life historical chads you would find they all larp and the larp is so powerful that not a single thing in existence can stand in their way

>>213530354 (OP)
Was the movie good?

>>213530354 (OP)
People at the time literally and truly believed that he was the actual Antichrist because no one could explain coming from nothing and winning that much. Even rational Enlightenment guys saw him as a classical demigod like Caesar or Alexander that stepped out of history to wreak havok on the world.

Nietzsche, Genealogy of Morals:
>"Judæa proved yet once more victorious over the classical ideal in the French Revolution, and in a sense which was even more crucial and even more profound: the last political aristocracy that existed in Europe, that of the French seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, broke into pieces beneath the instincts of a resentful populace—never had the world heard a greater jubilation, a more uproarious enthusiasm: indeed, there took place in the midst of it the most monstrous and unexpected phenomenon; the ancient ideal itself swept before the eyes and conscience of humanity with all its life and with unheard-of splendour, and in opposition to resentment's lying war-cry of the prerogative of the most, in opposition to the will to lowliness, abasement, and equalisation, the will to a retrogression and twilight of humanity, there rang out once again, stronger, simpler, more penetrating than ever, the terrible and enchanting counter-warcry of the prerogative of the few! Like a final signpost to other ways, there appeared Napoleon, the most unique and violent anachronism that ever existed, and in him the incarnate problem of the aristocratic ideal in itself—consider well what a problem it is:—Napoleon, that synthesis of Monster and Superman."

In the middle of the most democratic mass anti-aristocratic slave revolt in history Napoleon, a hardcore Jacobin in his youth, proved the natural inequality of human beings. They will never be a good kino made about this man, just like a good one about Caesar or Alexander or Hitler.

>>213530561
but i don’t want to engage in pointless slaughter and conquering
napoleon was a retard who didn’t have a family

>>213530806
>napoleon was bad because not a heckin fambly man
holy shit kys

>>213530806
Believing that the highest calling for a man is to be a good husband and father is slave mentality. What's the point of having a family when you have no power over anything? Your family is owned by the state.

>>213530857
>be “great man”
>have no living direct descendants

>>213530930
But enough about Jesus Christ

>>213530930
>Breeding like a rat is more important than being Emperor of Europe

>>213530930
>because I shit out some fat little niños this means I'm better than napoleon o algo
pablo...

Friendly reminder every actor who has played Napoleon has ended up in an insane asylum

Kill yourself spambot faggot.

>>213530354 (OP)
>Was Napoleon unironically a genius?
Well yes? Not only that but also easily the greatest man to ever walk this planet. (Genghis and Alexander arent close)

>>213530806
Retard. You know nothing. He had like 7~ wars declared on him while only starting two himself (Both mega justified) and what the fuck you mean he didnt have a family?
>>213530930
He does.

>>213531200
He doesn’t.

>>213530930
He has direct descendants through his bastard son (the one we know about, probably several more)

>>213531292
He had at least two illegitimate sons that he formally acknowledged were his own and have numerous living descendants

>>213531307
>>213531437
No direct descendants are alive today.

>>213531200
>greatest man to ever walk this planet
it's caesar and it's not particularly close

>>213530354 (OP)
He was part of the Jew mafia that did the "French Revolution", it wasn't organic.

>>213531469
Caesar has no living descendants. she’s nothing compared to Genghis

>>213530354 (OP)
good bait

>>213530354 (OP)
>total nobody at 25, no royal connections, little wealth. (Italy was a backwater shithole similar to Louisiana)
>became the most promising Politician just 10 years later with nothing but his charisma

He had a lot of connections inside political circles. Him being named at the head of the Army of Italy was seen as blatant nepotism by other commanders like Masséna.

>still lost due to betrayal by Murat and Grouchy

Murat did little for Napoleon's defeat and Grouchy never betrayed. He fucked up one time but was a very capable commander, undefeated on the battlefield.
Also Waterloo was just a last stand, the real defeat was the battle of Leipzig and in extension, the campaign of Russia. But in overall, Napoleon simply lost because other nations figured out they should copy french military doctrine.
Also speaking of traitor but not mentionning Marmont, Bernadotte or Talleyrand...

You won't learn history by watching movies, anon. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>213530354 (OP)
>Somehow… Napoleon returned

>>213530354 (OP)
>Was Napoleon unironically a genius?
Literally yes. Pretty sure he was a whizz at mathematics as well, which helped with calculating cannon trajectories. Shame Ridley Scott is an idiot.

Napeleon wasn’t that special, historical circumstances just happened to set up a French campaign. If it wasn’t Napoleon it would’ve been someone else