Which one was peak Hollywood

Both

Westerns.

Brits made great noirs - see The Third Man (shot in Vienna, the location is crucial), Night and the City
French made great noirs - see Quai des orfevres, Bob le flambeur
But only Americans made great westerns - and no, the silly spaghetti cargo cult doesn't hold a candle

Westerns showed how our great country was built.
Noirs show the degeneracy that caused it to fall apart.

>>213530589 (OP)
noir westerns

Definitely Noir. But I can see how the much simpler stories and the "heroes" (father substitutes, just like modern Marvel superheroes) would appeal to the simpler American audience.

>>213531103
Name 5

>>213530971
I wanted to type out a long, probably nonsense post, trying to convey this. But this isexactly the point and much better said

>>213531198
Pursued
Blood on the Moon
The Naked Spur
The Ox-Bow Incident
The Furies

>>213530831
>Brits made great noirs
Very true!
>- see The Third Man
Its dog shit.

Noir, way cooler. Westerns are cool but the cinematography cant touch the look of noir, plus the stories are more depressing and realistic in noirs. For me, being a NoirChad, its an easy choice. It has to be westerns....only joking its noir.

>>213531198
A Colt is my Passport

>>213531746
Western vistas mog the shit out of dark alleys

>>213530971
>Westerns lied about how the country was built.
>Noirs showed some of the true image of America but still in a highly sanitised form.

Fixed.

>>213532439
For you. Im more into german expressionism,dutch angles, smokey streets/rooms and silhouettes. Damn I love a good silhouette.

>>213530626
Not even a top 25 Western lol

>>213532879
I mean there are like fifty thousand westerns

>>213531198
My Darling Clementine should qualify for its lighting alone

Noir, because you can't make them anymore and modern Hollywood can't poison the genre.

>>213534215
They don't make westerns anymore either

>>213530831
>But only Americans made great westerns - and no, the silly spaghetti cargo cult doesn't hold a candle
Germans also made great westerns.

>>213531129
I think you’re really generalizing westerns here, plenty of John Wayne movies had him playing that fatherly surrogate but there were also lods of revisionist or revisionist adjacent westerns. Something like The Tall T has about the same level of moral ambiguity as any Phillip Marlow flick for instance

>>213534215
There hasn’t been a good western in like 20 years, while it’s not as completely dead as Noir they’re still not making em

>>213534383
I can't stand every other new western but I liked Bone Tomahawk.

>>213534383
>There hasn’t been a good western in like 20 years, while it’s not as completely dead as Noir

Exactly my point. They still make them, they just don't have a clue. Even Kevin Costner doesn't know how to do it. I saw 2 new westerns on the dvd rack just yesterday. That Alec Baldwin Rust movie, and something with Pierce Brosnan. They keep putting more nails in the coffin. Clint Eastwood will be turning over in his grave.

Meanwhile no one can make an actual noir anymore, just a 'neo-noir'. The genre gets to rest in piece.

>>213530589 (OP)
>Which one was peak Hollywood
Westerns, preferably without John Wayne.

>>213535588
Why are you disrespecting The Duke?

>>213535683
>Why are you disrespecting The Duke?
No shortage of reasons. More like the Joke.

Hero to boomers everywhere. He's awful, and his movies are awful. He's actually okay in The Big Trail, but that's about it. I gave him a chance. There are a ton of other great western stars. He's just not one of them.

>>213536193
>There are a ton of other great western stars. He's just not one of them.
That'll be the day.

>Brits made great noirs
very true!

Cool thread. I'll admit that I havent really watched these genres. Rec me a really good western and noir please and thank you.

What is your favorite noir?
This is mine
https://youtu.be/ql0bSErZU8s?si=WKTKru6XJu_BFLbJ

>>213530589 (OP)
Noir because Westerns only peaked when Itallians started making them.

>>213534383
>>213534524
True Grit, No Country for Old Men, and The Ballad of Buster Scruggs are kino. Coen Brothers are the only guys capable of making a good Western nowadays.

>>213536796
>Italian westerns were the peak
plebs actually believe this

>>213535588
>>213535683
he sucks circumcised dick.

>>213536796
westerns peaked with ford

>>213537609
>westerns peaked with ford
If he made a decent western, I haven't seen it. He made a giant heap of slop though. His idea of comedy is fucking awful. A load of drunken Irish gobshite.

>>213538265
damn imagine being this much of an unwashed pleb retard

>>213530589 (OP)
wolf of wall street and gatsby movie?

>>213530589 (OP)
I don't think either were peak Hollywood, but westerns are superior to noir.

Westerns proclaim, encourage, and recount all of the best traits of society. So it's the one man standing up for what's right because it's right; or the western settlers building their farms/ranches and their communities through honest hard work.

Noir highlights the worst in humans; and unless you're anti-social, they show behavior that is discouraged, not encouraged. So you have people cheating on their spouses and getting punished, or a cheating wife and new boyfriend murdering the husband, and eventually getting caught or otherwise facing the consequences.

I am of the opinion that while noir might attract more viewers due to the titillation value; the western has longevity because it (usually) reflects traits we all wish to see in ourselves.

>>213530589 (OP)
I'd say Screwball comedy

>>213536650
Destry Rides Again and Kiss Me Deadly are underrated

>>213537609
You mean Peckinpah

>>213538733
Ford shits on Peckinpah

>>213538753
Nah. His films are too boring.

>>213538787
pleb

>>213538753
No. Ford just shits a lot of shit.

>>213536796
Italians just revitalized the genre and brought new blood to it when it was declining in America. The French did the same with noir

>>213536796
Gen-X Opinion

>>213538809
It is Ford's films that are for plebs. There's an old episode of Rawhide that covers the same material as The Searchers, and is 100% better. His most acclaimed westerns are just geriatric drivel with old geezers like Wayne pretending like they're 35/40 when they're rug-wearing 60 year olds.

Stagecoach is somewhat alright, but the 1960s remake is better.

>>213538725
>Destry Rides Again
Now there's a great Western.

Noir. Cowboys are fucking lame.

Campy spaghetti for any anons relaxing this evening.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ofURpJ5lURs

>>213539026
The Searchers is his most overrated film. Real niggas are watching Fort Apache, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon and Wagon Master. All top tier westerns. Nothing that screams "pleb" more than hating on Ford and then making it obvious you've only seen like 3 of his movies

>>213539089
>She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
Even worse than his late career slop. What the fuck did you even see in it?

Have you seen any of his non-Western slop like Gideon's Way and The Long Gray Line. I have. Utterly pathetic. He had no business being around a camera. The Quiet Man? Yuck. Drunken Irishman doesn’t even know how to get Ireland right.

>>213539349
The Quiet Man is excellent, I can't imagine being such a faggot as to hate that movie

>>213539349
I liked She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. Very pretty movie.
How Green Was My Valley is his best non-western but you probably won't get it.

>>213539423
>>213539435
ignore him. it's Dingo, one of /film/'s worst schizos

>>213539089
>Real niggas are watching Fort Apache, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon and Wagon Master.
What about Cheyenne Autumn, his bloated failure? Tries to have both ways, when the man clearly had no sympathy for the Indians and was obviously doing it as the fashionable thing of the time.

Anyone who tries to claim any real merit to Cheyenne Autumn is full of it.

>>213539435
>I liked She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.
Cavalry Westerns are the worst. I'd rather watch a singing cowboy western than another cavalry western.

There are some decent singing cowboy westerns.

careful with that edge anon
it's true that Cheyenne Autumn falls flat because John Ford only could do one (1) style of movie: 20s melodrama, but you cant deny that the movie has its merits

for me, it's Lemonade Joe

>>213539739
Cavalry westerns are awesome, the worst are Zapata westerns

>>213539915
I don't exactly recommend it, but I liked this one a lot.