Thread 213547917

Is this guy the reverse of the Dunning-Kruger effect?

>>213547917 (OP)
mhm. you got any dem fried pertatas in there?

>>213547917 (OP)
>the reverse of the Dunning-Kruger effect
William Hurt in Broadcast News

>>213547917 (OP)
>The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias where people with low ability or knowledge in a particular area tend to overestimate their competence, while those with high ability or knowledge may underestimate theirs.
what's the reverse of this?

>>213548286
You tell me

>>213547917 (OP)
I reckon I'm gon kill you wit it

>>213548286
imposter syndrome. where autistic "manchildren" with high IQs the ones that should be running the world with renown and prestige are speedrunning video games and wasting away because they demoralized by the system and it cripples them.

>>213548293
>people with high ability or knowledge in a particular area tend to underestimate their competence, while those with low ability or knowledge may overestimate theirs.

>>213548293
Ask chatgpt

>>213548318
That's not imposter syndrome

>>213548318
with that in mind, yes actually >>213547917 (OP)
op actually makes sense. Karl is decent and noble, the only times he takes violent action are against harmful violent people. hes kind to everyone, extremely proficient with mechanical things. and hes cast aside because hes "slow" but hes only slow in the sense that, he takes a long time to ponder. it'd be an issue if, at the end of that pondering, nothing came out, but with Karl, it usually bared fruit. people were just too jumpy compared to him you could say.
>>213548352
yeah my description has extra added layers to it, but it does work and fit somewhere

>>213548410
You just intuitively discovered something you may not realize the full importance of. For a while now I have been wondering why my reflexes are shit in games but good while driving, and why it takes me slightly longer than most people to learn job skills despite an above average IQ, and wondering if it has to do with survival instincts using different brain mechanisms even for low level things like reflex than recreational things do. Last night I was asking Copilot some not really related stuff about sleep deprivation and cognitive loading, and it mentioned something adjacent on its own (it's getting really smart the last few years), so I asked it a bunch of pointed questions and scenarios to try to eliminate its agreeability bias by making it provide the answers, and it ended up telling me that based on whatever it's research sources are (I didn't check the citations yet), a minority of people, maybe 10% or so of the population develop a cognitive filter, which it says may be linked to adaptive attention gating or dopaminergic modulation (I can't summarize these briefly but they are the terms it gave and I had it explain) which sometimes develop in higher IQ people. It said the approximate cutoff for both of these to start having a good chance to develop is basically above 120 IQ.
I had to go to sleep, and it's so good at summarizing multiple things now that I was asking it seven bullet point questions per post already, but it was also talking about human parallel processing and how it influences multitasking and cognitive loading.

>>213548832
All of this was mostly in the context of sleep deprivation and the accumulation cognitive overload and altered consciousness vs the role of IQ and strength of executive function in maintaining normal mental performance while sleep-deprived, and ironically I had to stop to catch some sleep before work, but when I get off work I'm going to start indirectly asking it about if there is significant correlation between presence of human parallel processing (or strength of executive function or both) and adaptive attention gating.
It's all very wordy and abstract, but neuroscience seems to be advancing quickly and I'm kind of hoping I can figure out how to use AI insights to figure out how to think better without having to spend a lifetime reading through studies myself. I even asked the AI what type of questions I should ask it to learn faster in ways I couldn't before, and it basically said do what I'm already doing (mixture of simple yes/no answers and open but detailed questions about compound hypotheticals with several factors included)
But it also told me to ask it to argue about things with itself as utilitarian vs deontological, kek
Sorry for any wrong words, I swipe-typed this on my phone while on lunch and probably also can't reply for five hours or so

>>213547917 (OP)
never understood how this got an oscar or whatever award it was

>>213548318
>high IQ
Bitch, you can't even figure out how to get laid lmao

>>213548832
you are chatbotting yourself into retardation

>>213548881
thats all very interesting, anon.
>I'm kind of hoping I can figure out how to use AI insights to figure out how to think better without having to spend a lifetime reading through studies myself
its smart to do that, ive got all sorts of gadgets suited to specific use cases using it in workflows to make me as efficient as possible.

regarding wanting to improve yourself as well, theres something called NLP which is interesting. basically "brainwashing" with words. you can go far with it, harmfully, malicious propaganda. or you can use it coyly use it in a workplace advantage for a slight edge.
an example that stuck with me, is a study where they tried to figure out how often a person in an office setting would let someone else, step infront of them in the cue, in order to make a photocopy before them.
the results were always higher if you said something along the lines of "can i skip ahead of, BECAUSE i really need to pee" rather than just asking "can i skip ahead of you?"
giving a BECAUSE, was the act of NLP, if didnt really matter what was said, but because you added another element of emotion to it "i really need to be bro, come on" it added onto the impact.
this is the same thing as having a mantra basically on your wall that you read and it makes you happy or motivates you. "live laugh love" but less retarded.

>>213548913
you might be retarded

>>213549068
Yes, exactly. High IQ at some point becomes a burden instead of a gift.

>>213549068
I can but why would I waste my time trying to get laid when my penis is small and I can't fuck for worth a shit

>>213548286
Kruger-Dunning Effect

>>213548312
some call it a kaiser blade I call it a sling blade

>>213549068
Actually over 130 you tend to get really good at talking and relating to other people.
You also tend to stop relying on self-esteem boosts or desiring to fuck strangers.
"Neopuritans" basically just means high IQ and lacking major mental illness

>>213549133
Not true at all, I talk to the AI maybe five times a year. You just fear things you don't understand anon.
>>213549301
Yeah, I don't study neurolinguistic programming at all or really use social engineering because I'm already holding back on my native intuition for manipulating people. Basically, I will only ever use the dark arts to handle difficult people or to get people to leave me alone when I know I haven't done anything wrong but they're bothering me. This isn't conducive to my career prospects because all people are able to do this at least a bit and I'm just choosing not to, but feels good man. Moving boxes isn't such a bad job.
People prioritizing affective empathy at the cost or enmity of cognitive empathy, rather than naturally integrating them as adults, is I think the main obstacle in human development this century. Your example illustrates what I mean, although in that case it's perfectly normal they'd want a reason, the reason actually impelling them is the takeaway.
I've been holding off on writing some books since I was 13 or so because I support my points by explaining things from my life, which gains interest from the reader but also predisposes them to agree with my point of view, even if I'm wrong. On the other hand, I could avoid the possibility of manipulating people into agreeing with me by just stating dry arguments, statistics, and neutral examples with nothing to do with me, removing any and all autobiographical elements about why or how I came to think about it realize something - but then no one will read the book because it doesn't reward their attention with an affective emotion of any kind other than friction or synergy between my beliefs and their existing beliefs. Basically no one even reads Hume or Kant anymore, let alone modern knockoffs about real-world applications, but add autobiographical components and people just agree with you because they like you, especially if your writing is sincere and charismatic

>>213549068
Geniuses have a harder time getting laid than people with retard level IQ.