Thread 213548694

What was the point of this scene? Hell, what was the point of the film?

>>213548694 (OP)
Freddie is just an animal. All he wants to do is fuck, cum, get high, and fight anyone who irritates him or go against him. Lancaster tries to find meaning in life and purpose and significance for his life beyond just being an animal, but there's a part of him that longs to be like Freddie, and most of his "meaning" is just bullshit that he's making up and trying to make himself and others believe in

Ultimately there might not actually be more to life than fucking, cumming, getting high, and lashing out at your enemies, the rest might just be bullshit except to the extent that it keeps you out of jail and keeps a roof over your head

He's a socially inept person with daddy issues on a relentless search for a parental figure. That's why he joined the army, seargents and the likes became his father figures, but he also have issues with authorities, mostly due to unresolved issues with his own father. Dodd becames his new father figure, problem with that is that Dodd cant live up to the idealized version of people Quell have in his head, so he fucks off, looking for something else to fill the void inside him.

>>213548694 (OP)
You can do that without a fishing boat?

>>213548694 (OP)
If you don't get it you never will.
No one here is going to be able to sell you on it.
I didn't like it my first time. I've seen Inherent Vice twice now and I still don't like it. Probably never will.
But I appreciate The Master now. Don't know if I'll be watching it again soon.
I never finished The Phantom Thread. Maybe I'll give it another try when I'm in my 50s.

If you read about Hubbard and how Scientology works it probably makes more sense.

>>213548888
At this point who hasn't seen at least one documentary or read one book about that religion? In the age of youtube I'm assuming most people are aware of it. The Tom Cruise stuff is pretty big.

>>213548986
Most people think Scientologists worship Xenu while thats not true at all, that how little they know.

i don't know how this retard made there will be blood.

What was the walking back and forth in a room exercise supposed to do or the keeping your eyes open while questioning do?

>>213549608
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training_routines_(Scientology)

>>213549608
It's thelemite magick. The idea is that it makes you susceptible to influence from another person, that they then exploit. But they convince you it's somehow good for you spiritually or otherwise.

Hubbard was very influenced by Crowley, proto-Laveyan Satanists and other occultists. I don't mean to suggest he did magick as commonly understood, but he studied how these people were able to exercise influence over others.

>>213548694 (OP)
Something I only noticed on repeat viewings was the customer that he fights while taking his portrait looks exactly like the PSH character.

>>213548694 (OP)
he's a pure representation of the id
a man that lives on pure impulse

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>>213549665
Gotcha, seems like hypnotizing like in the cure.

>>213548694 (OP)
the point is, it was kino

i thought they were definitely gonna give freddy a bike with no fuel and abandon him out in the desert after the 2nd book failed. everything after that felt surreal so maybe that was implied.

The that hoffman displays when he drives off is so real. It perfectly encapsulates failure.

>>213548694 (OP)
it's a very symbolic film. every frame has a purpose. but it's also not super deep if your'e receptive to it

Sworn enemies, Freddie takes the fight directly to The Cause, will Dodd finally be defeated? This story takes us to past lives, future lives and present lives. See where Dodd really met Freddie for the first time, see their battles in their next lives for billions of years, or will they break the cycle?

Coming to theaters this summer.

>>213548840
I liked Inherent Vice more when I listened to a Paul Thomas Anderson interview where he said it's just a love story and I stopped trying to figure out all the golden fang stuff and just watched it as Doc spending the whole movie wanting to find and be with his love again.

>>213548694 (OP)
>>213549608
>What was the walking back and forth in a room
This scene filters most people on first viewing because Dodd really does feel like a guy that has it together, this intellectual that has some answer whatever it may be, and when you watch the movie you kind of get swept into his world and so you expect there to be some meaning to what he does, but he really just is a fraud that is just like Freddie lost and looking for something. In the end he's the one that needs Freddie not the other way around.

>>213548694 (OP)
>yfw realize Freddie was the master

>>213548694 (OP)
He's a stray dog wanting to fuck and is momentarily enraptured by his newfound master's life and ethos but eventually realizes it's facile and returns to his own life of wandering around for pussy. Literally me, in other words.

Have a wank at night at the beach and you will understand.

>>213549608
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>>213549665
groups still do this today and it does work

>>213552334
You make a good point, Dodd's bullshit works on most of the easily swayed simpletons who aren't totally fucked like Freddie and this inability for Dodd to 'fix' Freddie in front of the others compels him to go further and further into it


Not only that, he's not a simple fraud in that he's selling snake oil that he knows is snake oil, he firmly believed in a lot of the things he says and his ability to manipulate others into being who he wants them to be. Freddie should be the most simpleton subject with basic animal impulses and yet he proves to be the one that shows Dodd cannot actually walk on water

>>213552607
for me it's the terrace wank
"diddler on the roof", I call it.

>>213552235
Part 3 needs a bigger, existential threat so we can bring Dodd back as Freddie's ringer:
>"Well, Freddie, there IS one guy who could help..."
>"Oh HELL no, no way, you can't be serious!"
Final boss fight ends in victory, Freddie is left hanging in a vulnerable position where Dodd *could* easily dispatch him. Dodd thinks about it for a beat until:
>shot of Dodd and Freddie clasping on to the other's forearm
>closeup Dodd's red face and he strains to pull Freddie to safety
>Freddie (panting): "You know... you had me there for a second..."
>Dodd (also panting): "What can I say... letting you fall just ain't worth the mess"

>>213548768
fpbp
/thread

>>213552288
That is exactly right and I didn't realize IV was as simple as that until I watched it with a girl.

>>213548694 (OP)
PTA is a hack and I'm tired of pretending he's not. His stories are awful and his style is boring and pretentious

>>213554111
name 3 better directors and if they're good i'll...spare you.

>>213554161
You should've specified modern directors. The only modern director better than PTA imo is Sean Baker.

how can a movie look this good?

>>213548694 (OP)
clearly it's about how stupid you are

>>213552235
>>213553276
KINO

>>213554161
The problem is I think most modern directors are terrible. But I'd place George Miller, Gore Verbinski (even though he hasn't done a film in a while, GLHFDD will probably be good) and Alejandro Iñárritu ahead of PTA.

It's to show Freddie as animalistic in his urges. The movie is showing Freddie becoming a "master" of himself. PSH's character is not a master of himself, he is owned by his wife; he is a master of his following, however.

Like most PTA films, it's just showcasing a journey of not inherent meaning.

>>213548888
PTA has stated the movie has little to nothing to do with Hubbard.

why is this movie so addictive and alluring? and I really do mean alluring, there's some strange air of mystery to the entire film

Joker was better

>>213554278
panavision cameras are goated

>>213554795
idk but i saw it in theaters back to back alone which i've never done. it's just so beautiful.

>>213554562
>PTA has stated the movie has little to nothing to do with Hubbard.
the character is obviously heavily inspired by him, come on. pta had to say that to keep the scientologists off his ass and stay on good terms with tom cruise.

>>213548888
>>213554562
>>213556388
The character is clearly inspired by Hubbard, but the movie is more about the relationship (near love triangle) between Freddie, Lancaster and Lancaster's wife.

>>213548694 (OP)
>What was the point of this scene?
to bait you
i.e. The Master Bait

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>>213556351
Something I've noticed about this movie is that there's very little grain despite it being shot on film. But I guess that is usually the case when you shoot on bigger film stock

I like how the "Slow Boat to China" scene is Lancaster basically begging Freddie not to leave him behind under the thumb of his wife, despite him always trying to project himself as the one in control.

>>213556478
It was shot on 65mm (basically IMAX) so it makes sense there's very little grain

>>213556635
scary woman

Start doing this

>>213548768
This is, by far, the best way of I've seen the film's meaning put across. Thank you for this post.

>>213556819
kino frame
I'm kind of surprised he didn't keep the line from the trailer though
>I KNOW YOURE TRYING TO CALM ME DOWN, BUT JUST SAY SOMETHING THATS TRUE

>>213548768
>>213556871
I've seen people explain it as
Freddie - Id
Lancaster - Ego
Lancaster's wife - Superego