Thread 213567829

Now that the dust has settled and the hype died down the audiences are starting to realize that Gunn didn't actually understand Superman.

You people are obsessed with this fucking movie.

Snyder Superchad
>They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun
A godlike ideal that inspires

Gunn Supersoi
>That is where you've always been wrong about me, Lex. I am as human as anyone. I love, I-I get scared. I wake up every morning, and despite not knowing what to do, I put one foot in front of the other, and I try to make the best choices that I can. I screw up all the time, but that is being human
DUDE HE'S LITERALLY ME LMAO

>>213567829 (OP)
good morning saar

>>213567931
Man of Steel inspires. Haven't watched Gunn's Superman.

>>213567829 (OP)
> FRANCESCO CACCIATORE
>Grant Morrison Got It Right

Do better jeets

>>213567931
>getting scared when ur invincible
lol
>want to race mix with lesser races
lol

>>213567829 (OP)
Gunn's Superman was just a very insecure overreaction to what people criticized with Snyder's Superman
>people in youtube comments made fun of the heavy destruction in Man of Steel and Superman not making a good enough effort to minimize it? let's spend half our movie showing new Superman saving every person and small animal!
that being said the Israel bashing was actually ballsy and interesting and I respect it

Superman is going to be one of those movies we look back a couple of years from now and say what the fuck were we smoking when we called this fun. Its going to age really badly.

>>213567936
>>213567931
>Snyder Superchad
>They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun
>A godlike ideal that inspires
While the line fits the character, I'm pretty sure Snyder didn't understand it and just thought it sounded cool.

>Grant Morrison (they/them)
Pretty sure the writer means earlier pre-mental illness Morrison. Either way, Morrison had a better bead on it than most.

Ultimately, Superman isn't supposed to act human and his struggle lies in finding the right way to inspire humans without falling into the trap of controlling them. How much should a god-like being interfere if they have the best of intentions.

>>213568076
All Gunn movies have that effect. They're basically feature-length SNL skits that skirt the edge of irony and straight-to-dvd christmas movie 'wholesomeness' that hit the right feels in a typical NPC

>>213568040
Nolan, Goyer and Snyder sadly thought too much of more than half of Man of Steel's audience. A brilliant cerebral Man Of Steel stomped the lot of them.

>>213568144
Faggot.

> Morrison sees his hero as a god capable of inspiring us all, while Gunn chooses to pull Superman down from Mount Olympus and bring him to our level. It makes the character more relatable, but at what cost?

Superman was never suppose to be a God like character. That is evident from Golden Age Superman. He was a champion of the oppressed and had no problem hanging politicians out windows. You can trace thevdecline in Superman’s popularity the minute Donner movies made him some Jesus character. Now people think Superman is boring as fuck. Nobody wants to watch a symbol and why Spider Man is more popular and Superman is the Big Blue Bore

>>213567829 (OP)
doesnt matter, Superman won, Fantastic Flopped

>>213567829 (OP)
>adults talking about the "true nature" of comic book characters
We are so fucked.

>>213567829 (OP)
Who cares about Superman?

>>213567999
man of steel inspires yawning and not much else. save your 2deep4u cope for someone who cares, someone named rajesh i imagine.

>>213567829 (OP)
One article proves my point, hee ha. In a world with so many people, 1 person wrote the article and this is the word of god, keep it sacred.

i'm a dumb fucker, i'm a dumb fucker yeah.

>>213567829 (OP)
I'm not going to read the article but the writer is right about one thing, Gunn doesn't get it. The most important thing about Superman is how power. the point of Superman is that he can do anything, but chooses to be a good person. The more ways there are to stop him, the less his choice matters. His choice matters the most when it's the ONLY thing holding him back. Not the threat of Batman or Lex having a plan, or Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel teaming up to fight him, just his own morals and nothing else.

>>213568277
>the minute Donner movies made him some Jesus character
He started as literal Moses, it's not a huge leap

>>213568953
>Superman is a nu-male zoyfaggot like me
no.

>>213569019
I've read the early comics, you're not refuting my point. Moses unleashed plagues, remember? Dude was all about violence for the sake of the greater good.
>dude no slaves
>fuck you faggot
>do tell *literally starts raining fire*

>>213569106
>river
>space

>basket
>space ship

>firstborn genocide
>species genocide

>found by new family
>also found by new family

>god magic
>super powers

IDK how many points of similarity you need, anon.

>>213568929
The only thing that Superman struggled with in the movie was his clone. Even weakened by days of Kryptonite radiation he was still able to outfly a blackhole and swam through whatever that river of energy shit was that melted everything it touched. How much more powerful do you want him?

>>213568953
Moses is a bit different from Jesus bud

>>213569205
Whoops, I didn't want to reply to you, I wanted to reply to this faggot: >>213568277

>>213567829 (OP)
>>213567931
Get a hobby, anon.

>>213569249
That scene with the river of "anti-protons" was so fucking retarded.

>>213567829 (OP)
I didn't hate Gunnperman. It's a feelgood movie with a message that is relevant to the times, and not particularly inaccurate (it's punk rock to be nice) but Snyder's work on these movies is legitimately underrated and more people will realize this in time. He gets a bad rep because of pajeets who are universal fans of these movies by default.

>>213569249
Yup, even to me, who spent five years going to Deathbattle comment sections nightly and checked the entire 24 hours of previous comments just to make sure NO weeb missed out on me correcting them on why Superman makes Goku his bitch, it's acceptable that a clone of Superman, with the same powers, but controlled by Lex, is an acceptably difficult opponent.
>>213569256
I said "started as," read faggot.

>>213567931
>>213567999
>>213568144
>>They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun
That's a direct quote from all star superman

>>213569389
That's nice dear.

>>213569389
Kino

>>213569431
GMS! and shalom, tranny

>>213569389
Man of Steel is priceless, No?

>>213567829 (OP)
lmao...are you that desperate OP?

>>213569353
He gets a bad rap because he's a fucking pseudfaggot just like every last non-jeet fan he has. The man has nothing to *say*, it's all just
>Oh hey woah, uh, like, what if This Thing was like um Jesus? *chucks on a blue filter*

I entirely believe that the Snyder hate cult is just a bunch of insecure manchildren ass mad that their childhood hero Reeves got replaced with another actor. And that's why they hate MoS. It's kind of like what happened with Affleck and Bale but way louder.
It's like they're too retarded to understand that
>(1) the 2 movies are different genres. MoS is an action/drama whereas Superman is an action/comedy
>(2) Reeves can't play the ducking character anymore.
But these boomers are still watching superhero movies and cartoons even though they're turning 50 this decade so they'll probably never understand those extremely basic points.

>>213570199
>And that's why they hate MoS
Nah, it's a lot simpler than that. I hate MoS because when Superman comes back to Metropolis after the kryptoforming machine has been destroyed, and looks around and sees all the death and destruction that Zod has caused, and then hears Zod starting to motive rant, he looks kind of bored.

Not mad, not sickened by the destruction, not horrified, not distraught, not determined, not anything. Just...

>"Oh, huh. I guess I'll have to deal with this now."

>>213570326
Sissy man 2025 is.still in theaters.

>>213567829 (OP)
modern Hollywood can't do Superman right, even in this (mildly) post-woke era, he would go against most of their messed up virtues

Man of Steel was horrendous and it would be horrendous with or without Gunn's Superman. I hated it from the get-go.

>>213570199
>Snyder hate cult
>insecure manchildren
The amount of projection is off the charts.
Snyderfags are mentally ill.

>>213570199
It's because of politics, thanks to 300.

>>213570572
Are you that spic obsessed with sucking Superjew's cock?

>>213567829 (OP)
Snyderfags are fucking cancer. I want every Snyderfag DEAD.

>>213570861
>>I want a jew to rape my anus
Yes, that's what you want

>>213570326
I believe it even more now.

>>213567829 (OP)
How do you not understand Superman?
>Note I have not seen this movie.

>>213570861
Based.
Yes, Snyderfags must be slaughtered en masse and their corpses plapped by feral dogs.

>>213570199
It's just the same thing seen in every other male-skewing franchise over the past 5-10 years. 50% source material autists and 50% political types fighting their culture war against what they perceive as "toxic masculinity", etc. It's fucking crazy how many franchises these losers have tanked with zero accountability for any of it

>>213568176
Meanwhile, the Snyderverse chudz: "Me thunk Cerebral wuz a batman villain. Silly urinalist."

>>213567829 (OP)
>true nature of superman
jesus there's no søujak that could do this justice, it's a comic book

>>213567829 (OP)
LOL!

>>213569759
you've been filtered

>>213567829 (OP)
You mean the true nature isn’t spending the entire movie getting his ass handed to him by everyone and anyone? You mean he isn’t supposed to be about as strong as Spider-Man?
Wow.

>>213567999
Inspires what, streetshitting?

>>213568348
>implying
Everyone wanted to see how Snyder's universe would end, both the appreciators and the haters.

>>213567829 (OP)
>>213567931
>>213568168
>>213570458
>t.

India

>>213572175
Nah. No one in their right mind wanted to see Batman fuck Lois, Superman work for Darkseid (was Cavill ever going to play a normal, decent, good Superman, or what?), Batman ultimately dying, only for Superman to raise Batman's baby. Fuck that.

What a coincidence. Snyderman would've ended up becoming a cuckold, just like Singerman.

>>213567829 (OP)
What’s the point in Superman if you aren’t going to make him super. The vast majority of people don’t care about the intricacies of Superman’s character because he isn’t really that interesting or popular to begin with. While Gunn’s movie has that feel good aspect it’s still a downgrade in a lot of other ways. What makes him interesting and ultimately good is subjective.

>>213572550
>Nah. No one in their right mind wanted to see Batman fuck Lois, Superman work for Darkseid (was Cavill ever going to play a normal, decent, good Superman, or what?), Batman ultimately dying, only for Superman to raise Batman's baby. Fuck that.
That stuff was never going to happen

>>213567931
>>213567999
>>213569389
How can a man achieve this level of mental illness without taking estrogen?

Superfags are eternally mindbroken over injustice buy’n’large being the most popular and interesting version of their notoriously one note boring character, and then you have Homelander and Invincible.

>>213567829 (OP)
>understand Superman
capeshit is reatarded and so are its fanboys
let it die
There is enough of it we never needed more than the Reeves movies. There is enough capshit ovies made now that people have a lifetimes supply. No one lieks it except a small clique of retards in America. The world and 95% iof teh US population are utterly sick of it. Stop making it. Consider this. Hollyowood made films about a character called 'Captain America' and spent hundreds of millions marketing them globally. Beyond retarded.

>fails to outgross MoS
>somehow retards bring up snyder and his fans again
Lmao

>Superman leaves theaters on August 26th
>2 weeks left in theaters

Superman should just be charismatic and fun. The best versions of Superman are basically just comedies. People agonize too much about what this corny throwaway piece of children's entertainment from 100 years ago "means". Initially it was only ever meant to be a bit of cheap fun, and make some money for the creators.

>>213572828
GMS!!

>>213572550
Enough people did to where the studio was pressured into releasing the Snyder cut. But whatever helps you cope.

>>213572929
>proceeds to watch some moeshit anime with 0 self awareness

>>213573068
Exactly.
If Superman 'means' anything, it's to be a good human being. That even an alien with a Bible-coded origin story can save people and be kind.
It's really not that difficult to grasp but we have people arguing whether or not Superman should save people.
To anyone who likes grimdark Superman, read the original comics and tell me it's a level of quality that is worth subverting.

>>213573068
>The best versions of Superman are basically just comedies

What in the blue hell are you talking about?

>>213573325
Reeve, Lois and Clarke, Fleischer cartoon, 90's WB cartoon, just the comics in general back in the silver age and stuff.

>>213573392
The cartoons weren't really comedies, especially the Fleischer ones. Reeve was also somewhat serious early on. It just wasn't grimdark, but it's not a comedy either like fucking Euro Trip or Mr Bean or some shit.

>>213573616
there's a knowing silliness to it. It would be maybe more accurate to just say it's for children.

>>213572348
>>t.

>>213573068
The best versions of Superman are in the comics. Barely anyone has read them so naturally they wouldn't know, but as a medium, they do mog the movies.

>>213573151
>It's really not that difficult to grasp but we have people arguing whether or not Superman should save people.
Nobody’s arguing that
>To anyone who likes grimdark Superman
Where is grimdark Superman
>read the original comics and tell me it's a level of quality that is worth subverting
Nobody reads the comics and Superman has always been boring

>>213568277
Superman is a wish-fulfillment character

>>213573923
I've read like two Superman comics ever, but from what I can tell comics Superman seems way more fantastical and generally fun.
Like, he has a miniaturized city of Kryptonians in a bottle in his Fortress of Solitude. He has villains who are just magic. Everything about Jimmy Olsen.

I know that comics now are basically just terribly confused about their identity, and are forever going back on forth on whether they're supposed to be gritty and serious or try to appeal to kids who wont read them. Probably should be taken as a given that comics after like the 90's don't really count.

Is Ned Flanders punk-coded?

>>213567829 (OP)
I didn't really like the movie. Gunn's whole writing style and sense of humor is really grating. In terms of the Superman stuff I really didn't like how they made his parents evil and had him do a big "I'm so human" speech. He's a tragic character in some ways, he's meant to be slightly apart from humanity and to long for his lost world. I did like that they made him a bit cocky and self righteous, that's a big part of the character that people write off when they try to make him wholesome/hopeful to distance him from Batman. Superman is often a dick and clearly gets some mildly sadistic pleasure from humiliating his enemies.

Superman 2025 is one of the worst superhero movies of all times. James Gunn, who excels in directing overdone violence, out of place quips, undeserved melodrama and perverted sex obsession brings all his trademark traits to this rendition of Superman. This isn't a Superman movie, it's a Marvel/Guardians of Galaxy movie with Superman in the middle of it. In fact, Gunn seems to enjoy writing Justice Gang far more than he does writing Superman. The former which ran off two jokes that were repeated ad nauseam throughout the movie.

What makes Superman a compelling character is gone in Gunn's sloppy adaption. He's not particularly strong, he's not particularly wise, he's a poor leader, he's extremely narcissist and gets easily emotional. And this is supposed to be a seasoned Superman. It's almost like Gunn was projecting his own shitty flawed character on to Superman. The only missing touch would be if Lois was a minor.

The action scenes are just a complete mess of CG blob. Superman is basically a rag doll that gets thrown all over the place and nothing in this movie has weight or meaning to it, particularly in its action. There's a scene where Lois and Mr Terrific break into enemy HQ and the whole ordeal is of course settled with a very catchy music montage of all the enemies being dismantled with utter ease. The next scene is of Clark trying to keep a CGI baby from drowning in lava with his deus ex dog arriving in timely manner to save him again. This is straight out of a Marvel movie and has no place in a Superman movie.

This rendition of Lex is also his most shallow depiction. There is no nuance or intelligence to this Lex. He's not particularly shrewd and constantly spills out his plans for everyone to find out. He throws into temper tantrums just like Superman and starts to sob and cry because Superman is better than him. Where is the elegance and intelligence of Luthor? This is basically a spoiled rich kid battling another spoiled strong kid. 1/10, MCU slop.

Indian thread about people misconceptions of Superman?

>>213567931
>>That is where you've always been wrong about me, Lex. I am as human as anyone. I love, I-I get scared. I wake up every morning, and despite not knowing what to do, I put one foot in front of the other, and I try to make the best choices that I can. I screw up all the time, but that is being human
This quote is one of the most retarded things in the movie but one of the few.

>>213575550
Extremely soi writing. Fuck Gunn

>>213575550
This is true about Superman, but it feels way too on the nose and obvious to have him actually say it in the movie. A big problem with this movie is that Gunn clearly is more of an edgy guy with regards to comics, he doesn't really like Superman all that much so he's trying to self consciously defend him from criticisms that he himself has about the character.

>>213567829 (OP)
Dude it's over, you're brown and you lost

>>213575767
>flop did slightly better than bigger flop
Gunnjeets are subhuman

Marvel sisters...

>>213575786
>superchud BTFO'd three marlel flops and that's why disney hired a bunch of pajeets (you) to spam the board
Fixed that for ya rajnesh

>>213572777
That was in his script dumbass. Also weirdly enough Bruce Timm heavily implied that shit as well in his animated series

>>213567931
based snyderchad

>>213575800
Yikes marvelsissies what the heck is this?????????

>>213567829 (OP)
it's a comic book character, there's nothing to understand beyond POW! POW! WHOOSH! KERBLAM!

>>213571969
Blue filtered, sure.

>>213567931
>>213567999
>>213568176
>should've drowned those kids clark
>now watch me get sucked up in a tornado

>>213568277
This. Superman originally appeared as a power fantasy for nerds where the geeky reporter gets cucked by bullies who drive off with Lois Lane and then he changes into his tights and smashes their car. He also brutalizes wifebeaters and intimidates corrupt politicians. The Jesus metaphor stuff is so fucking gay.

>>213576006
Meanwhile WalMartMan is fine with his Quip Gang friends killing people.

>>213576086
>duude Hawkgirl killed Benjamin Netyahu fuck this movie
>I much prefer the intellectual cinematic experience of Man of Steel in which a young Clark Kent watches his father die in a tornado for no reason

>>213576086
>IF I WANTED IT YOU'D BE DEAD ALREADY

I'll let you know if it's any good once the web-dl drops. I've heard good things. Zionists are big mad that it takes the "genocide bad" stance, so hasbara is attacking it in full force

Grant Morrison is a fart-sniffing midwit hack who only looks smart to most comic readers because he's baby's first post-modern narrative gimmick writer.

>Superman is immensely likeable
>Lex Luthor is exquisitely hateable
>Clark and Lois actors have terrific chemistry
>Characters are comic accurate to the extreme, even Metamorpho and the Daily Planet background characters
>Script is straight out of a comic book
>The Iggy Pop song at the end is in the top 10 popular music needle drops in cinema history
>Hawkgirl kills Netanyahu
It mogs the Snyder movies straight to hell desu

>>213576126
The media literacy or Gunnjeets.

>>213576177
Just see it in the cinema

>>213576323
my local AMC is ass, and I don't want to drive 45 minutes to the IMAX

>>213576319
>ESL using the term "Gunnjeet"
Cringe

>>213576319
Snyder literally doesn't believe in superheroes as a concept. He's a Randian Objectivist that believes altruism is evil, and they got this guy to make a Superman movie

>>213576352
I saw this at my local IMAX and parts of it were out of focus. What happened to quality control? The trailer scenes looked better on my OLED at home.

Man of Steel is a terrible exposition-filled Capeshit flick. Everyone acts robotic and the film is devoid of human emotion. Watching the movie is the closest thing to being in a state of purgatory in real life. I have never felt so empty leaving the movie theater; say what you want to about Capeshit, but there's supposed to be a hint of fun to it. I will never understand Snyderfags.

>>213576515
Except "fun" is now just dumbass humor.
Superhero movies should excel in action, soundtrack and special effects, which s why for me capeshit peaked with X-Men Days of Future Past.

>>213576410
>Snyder literally doesn't believe in superheroes as a concept.
Well yeah, only American manchildren do.

>>213576297
>Script is straight out of a comic book
>Characters are comic accurate to the extreme
Why would this be a positive when comics are the bottom of the barrel of all entertainment industries?
Comics consistently feature the worst writing in media and almost boast the fact that they have, by far, the worst character design of all.

>>213576697
>it's actually good that zack snyder despised his own source material
>i also despise superman comics
>what i want is a superman movie that's actually a bleak incoherent alien jesus
thing
just rewatch man of steel bro

>>213575800
>>213575827
Are american untermensch really fighting over movies made for millennial "pet parents"?
I'm just glad zoomers didn't fall for the judaistic concept of "superheroes".

>>213576729
No, I dont want Superman movies, he's the lamest, most boring hero of all.
He's the DC equivalent of the Fantastic 4.

>>213576729
It's good when anyone despises superheroes because it means they recognize they are non-sensical uuvenile fantasies who's sole influence on the world is turning millions of young men who worship clowns wearing silly pijamas.

>>213576744
I was born in 2002 but okay

>>213576851
Damn, not a millennial and yet thinking like one, that's rough

>>213567829 (OP)
Literally only americans are eating up this crap, they are the only country infantile enough to see a dog with a cape and not just leave the theatre.

>>213576869
Good luck on your crusade against made-up heroes anon

It's time to apologize

>>213576729
>Stop, my invincible son
It will never not be funny

>>213568033
ok but that second one I do understand

>>213576908
Nice bulge
Truly a super man

>>213576729
Dude fucking no one but manchildren like comics, they are the dumbest, silliest media of all.
Everytime someone goes
>damn this movie is so comic accurate
it always means its trash.
The best superhero movies, like X-Men Days of Future Past, The Dark Knight or Batman Returns all completely disregard the comics in all but character names.

>>213572124
Inspires masturbation to ass pads. These dudes just realy really like Henry Cavill.

>>213576900
Why would I, this entire genre is already dying.
2025 is the first year since the 2000s that no capeshit will earn more than 700 million dollars.

>>213576972
>The best superhero movies, like X-Men Days of Future Past, The Dark Knight or Batman Returns
LMAO!

>>213577049
I won't even ask which ones you like since there's not that many to choose from, and I bet there's MCU trash among them.

>>213577078
GoTG 1-3
The Suicide Squad
Superman (2025)

>>213576972
>The best superhero movies, like X-Men Days of Future Past

>>213577106
Exactly.

>>213577118
Great CGI and soundtrack, great action scenes, big stakes, humor kept to a minimum, capable of having emotive scenes, Sentinels were the last time a superhero movie had intimidating villains, and took advantage of the heroes' powers to have unique action scenes, like Quicksilver's.

>>213577000
Just two more weeks till capeshit disappears

>>213576781
>>213576820
>>213576972
>DOES THE HINDENBERG RING ANY BELLS?
>IT'S A CAPESHIT STUDIO THAT HATES COMIC BOOKS

>>213577183
Two weeks is too soon, but Avengers Doosmday underperforming will be the last nail in the coffin.

>>213572089
>everyone and anyone?
You mean his own clone and kryptonite? Yeah, Superman has never ever struggled against any of those.

>>213577183
I'm so hype for Doomsday failing to reach 700 mil. That will literally be the end of Capeshit <3

>>213577199
>>213577207
That will be the end for the current regime in the MCU but capeshit will go on

>>213577240
No it won't, millennials are getting old and zoomers think superheroes are stupid.

Dragon Ball Super Broly was the last good superhero film

>>213577261
They've been cranking this shit out for fifty years. Huge money has been made within the genre. It's not going to stop anytime soon

>>213567931
>>That is where you've always been wrong about me, Lex. I am as human as anyone. I love, I-I get scared. I wake up every morning, and despite not knowing what to do, I put one foot in front of the other, and I try to make the best choices that I can. I screw up all the time, but that is being human
He doesn't say this in the movie, right? The sentiment behind it is fine, but as a dialogue this is atrocious.

>>213567931
Yeah

You're braindead lol

>>213567829 (OP)
Coincides with it leaving cinemas and the deposits stopping

>>213568040
>that being said the Israel bashing was actually ballsy and interesting and I respect it
Same, but at the same time he made it so close to the real situation that it's terrible distasteful.

The hard truth is Snyder cared a lot more and did way more justice for the main characters than Gunn is. Gunn only wants to fuck around with niche pawns. Guys like Peacemaker, Polkadotman, and Bloodsport are characters that otherwise wouldn’t see the light of day. Even Superman’s own movie he has to shine lights on Guy, Mr.T, and Hawkgirl while putting Superman through the humiliation ritual grinder. And if you think that’s the end of it you’re a fool. His role will be reduced heavily in the sequel too when he’s no longer the lead. Gunn’s whole shtick is self irony mockery, which is fine, for some characters but not unilaterally. How many years is it going to be before we get some botched JL lineup that all won’t shut up about their poop fetish. In retrospect especially after S2025’s box office Zaslav might as well have given the keys to Snyder instead.

>>213568040
>>213577354
>muh politics
Is this the crap millennials tell themselves to avoid the embarassment of watching a toddler movie featuring a flying dog with a cape?

>>213577411
Stop, my autistic son

>>213577437
You sound like an immensely unhappy person

>>213577461
>The scene that caused Snyderfags to form their new religion
The dad signaling him to not save him from the Lel random tornado was funnier than anything in Gunn slop. I think I'm starting to understand Syderfags

>>213567829 (OP)
>read one comic
>Achtually in the comics
I hate these people so fucking much

>>213570199
Snyder uber fans are the kind of edgy teenagers that never fully grew out of it. But the people who are obsessed with bashing Snyder are genuine man children. The kind of people who watch almost exclusively media made for children that is decent enough that an adult can enjoy it too. Their reasoning is basically "Uhmm, so since this movie is made for kids and parents, and parents are adults, that means this movie is for adults and therefore more mature than this other movie with violence and tits targeting teenagers". Same sort of people who play Nintendo games and buy Lego sets. "How could this Lego premium Star Wars set be for kids if it costs two thousand dollars?" I understand watching capeshit or an animated movie here and there, even if you don't have kids, but you have to be mentally deficient to keep watching religiously all these movies and defending them.

>>213577473
This comes from the same people who constantly joke about being le depressed.

>>213577437
Or maybe some people don't find entertainment in
>lol so randumb xD
crap.

>>213567931
I hate Superman Christ garbage

he works as a newspaper reporter for no reason and has a secret identity etc etc wasting massive amounts of time he could be zipping around at half light speed saving people from car crashes or whatever, he has to be Reeve silly and humanized and the world he's in has to be fundamentally unserious or the character is just some weird autistic exercise

>>213567895
Its almost like the plot pissed off a group of paranoid schizophrenics

>>213571809
>50% political types fighting their culture war against what they perceive as "toxic masculinity"
It's crazy how such a huge part of Americans think that watching and liking movies is some sort of political action. And I can understand somewhat when it comes from the anti-woke crowd, even if they have progressively been falling into the same logic of "we must vote harder with our wallets", but at least it started as a common sense response to modern media feeling like Democrat propaganda. But to the degree leftists do it is surreal. People used to discuss the political subtext of a movie, but most of the time it wasn't the reason to like a movie. Then leftists started liking or disliking think based on their political subtext. But now there isn't even subtext anymore. But it's not even text exactly. It's more like everything comes politically pre-branded and you can tell from the aesthetic and tone alone. The movies just align with your politics or not and the marketing campaign makes it obvious from the first trailer. This Superman movie is a piece of garbage compared to almost any high profile movie from 2 decades ago that wasn't a major disappointment, yet people already decided it's good months ago, because watching it somehow equals to taking a stance against Trump or whatever. The American cultural industries cannot survive like this.

>>213577437
Haven't even watched it nor I won't, as I don't care about these movies and this one looks like garbage on top of that, but I can still acknowledge that pedo Gunn had massive balls to make a movie criticizing God's chosen people.

>>213577616
>But the people who are obsessed with bashing Snyder are genuine man children
I just find it weird how they claim Snyder’s stuff is for “edgy 12 year olds” while simultaneously praising Gunn’s content which is literally that. Also saying the movie inspired you to be a better person or made you cry is ridiculous.

>>213567829 (OP)
gunn bros... when are they gonna stop bullying us?

>>213577881
>Superman 2025 is for edgy 12 years olds
Are you retarded?

>>213567829 (OP)
I saw two adults discussing Superman with each other in public today. I got the ick.
Seriously grow up.

>>213577961
It’s edgy and it’s for 12 year olds

>>213578079
I browse this general while eating breakfast at McDonald’s at like 7am. What does that make me?

>>213578079
Video games have been more destructive to men than anything this site complains about and it's the most popular subject here lol

>>213578195
Funnily enough I think video games are dying. The Zoomers aren't interested anymore and I think Millennial Man children are the only thing propping up the medium at this point.

>>213567829 (OP)
Isn't Grant Morrison literally a fag?

>>213567895
You mad, bro? Upset your agenda isn't going the way you anticipated?

>>213577528
The fact of the matter is 10 years from now we'll still be discussing the merits of MoS while no one will remember Gunn's pile of shit. For better or worse, Snyder has locked his place into our culture. Just like Lynch's Dune is still discussed 40+ years later despite being deemed a failure. No one will remember DUNC the same way. History decides the winners and losers.

>>213578195
Video games gave men an out from a society that no longer respects or wants them for anything other than wageslaving for elites and killing sand niggers for Jews. It's the best thing that has ever happened for men and the people in charge have noticed >>213578230 now gaming is getting attacked by media
>zoom are not buying games!!!
getting censored, etc. Roasties are seething

>>213567829 (OP)
Has our King weighed in on this yet?

>>213578596
>We may never know Zack Snyder’s master plan for advancing the Superman saga since his Man of Steel opus (The Godfather of superhero movies) was disrupted by studio executives at Warner Bros. who insisted on a comic book series that emulated Christopher Nolan’s nihilistic but more profitable Batman franchise. They wanted darkness, not Snyder’s seriousness. But “dark” means trivial in Millennial film culture, and now, with James Gunn’s new Superman, Warner has gotten the inconsequential movie it always desired.

>Snyder took up the Superman comic book myth then enhanced its meaning as American cultural heritage with classical, spiritual roots. This grand vision opposes fanboy frivolity, which is the basis of Gunn’s commercialized version. His Superman (portrayed by David Corenswet) is introduced as a humiliated, known quantity. He has already lost a battle, slammed into the pavement of Metropolis, and is bloody, wounded, and wheezing.

>>213578781
>Gunn’s point is to replace myth and destroy all faith. This Superman movie is the most cynical imaginable. It doesn’t just go against the original Joe Shuster–Jerry Siegel comic book ubermensch that Snyder understood; it reworks a figure for the dystopian millennium and Hollywood resistance.

>There’s no denying that Guardians of the Galaxy director Gunn knows the market he panders to when he emasculates Corenswet’s average all-American masculinity — the essence of the Superman concept — then extracts any romance from Superman’s relationship with reporter Lois Lane (Rachel Brosnahan is grating throughout their meant-to-be-flirty spats). Lacking Snyder’s erotic pairing of Henry Cavill and Amy Adams, Gunn degrades the humanity of these characters. He victimizes Superman (horribly so in a poorly judged “Pocket Universe” prison sequence featuring nightmarish degradation) and then triggers audience revulsion through evil genius Lex Luthor (Nicholas Hoult), whose key-punch video game tropes remotely attack a man of virtual invulnerability rather than a man of steel. Luthor combats Superman through a combination of science and technology — injecting nanobot GPS trackers into Superman’s bloodstream — using methods that recall the hideous Covid manipulation.

>Gunn’s objective is to banalize the very concept that Snyder sought to elevate. He demeans Superman’s virtue, making him a figure of public distrust vilified in the press, yet gives him goofy boyishness through a mischievous terrier-schnauzer mutt named Krypto. Snyder eliminated the pet, but Gunn uses the dog for dragging Superman’s rumpled body to the icy Fortress of Solitude. The sequence lacks surprise as well as delight. Inane dialogue and jokey asides constitute Gunn’s half-Nolan and half-Marvel hackery.

>>213578805
>The conventionality that Gunn resorts to includes a subplot with the Green Lantern League, a jokey crew of XYZ-men knock-offs. They appear briefly as comic relief until Gunn brings them back to complete a battle Superman cannot win by himself. It’s catnip for inconstant comic book consumers.

>Flashback: Except for that stirring, time-reversal scene in the Superman of 1978, the Christopher Reeve films were clunky quasi-camp. Richard Lester took over the sequels, flaunting his signature light comic touch to prove his superiority to the franchise. But Snyder, being of a later generation, triumphed through expression and dedication that few filmmakers can match — and that Marvel/Nolan addicts simply don’t understand. They tolerated Bryan Singer’s Superman Returns, although it felt both demoralized and uninspired. Snyder overcame all that by bringing visual richness and emotional power. Gunn, instead, infantilizes the tale. His iteration of Superman is just bad business (like Joss Whedon defacing Snyder’s Justice League), even when it veers into social commentary, fashionably evoking the war in Ukraine.

>This Superman demonstrates the perversity called forth everywhere by our media. The pop-art difference between Gunn’s antipathy and Snyder’s mythology is like that between Taylor Swift’s snide “Anti-Hero” and David Bowie’s valiant “Heroes.”

>https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/07/superman-under-the-gunn/

>>213578230
Games are too expensive now, and the companies aren't listening when people tell them they're too expensive, just because there happens to be a minority of companies who can get away with it (Nintendo, Rockstar, maybe Bethesda).
That's why things like Ubisoft games or that new Indiana Jones are just flopping in sales these days. It's not that they potentially couldn't sell. It's that they have priced their way out of the market.

>>213567999
Man of Steel could have been GOAT of not for the overbearing Christian overtones and the Lois Lane miscast.

>>213576410
you literally just stringed together a a group of words that by all definition do not fit next to each in any context you might as well have just said "Air door magma lunch"
are you retarded?

>>213578781
>>213578805
>>213578823
I know he’s shitposting but it’s just so well written

>>213568033
Calling Gunn's Superman invincible is crazy

>>213580090
>overbearing Christian overtones

>reeee in the deleted scenes of the extended edition there is a shot where the crucifix is shown on the wall. it's in the dark and it's blurry but it's obvious what it is
>reeee why do we need christianity crammed down our throats, i, as a wiccan, need more representation

>>213567895
They should be. It's a genuine threat to their toxic ideology.

>>213568318
Reddit shit.