Thread 213575009

Which Superman villain can actually carry a movie?
>Brainiac can carry a movie but he could also be a JL level threat
>Mxy is just too goofy to work in live action
>Metallo, Bizarro and Parasite can’t work without Luthor driving the plot
>Mongul you have to take Superman off planet to work
>Darkseid can’t be wasted in a Superman movie or can only work as the villain in the last Superman movie
>Cyborg Superman can work but you have to do a lot of bullshit to establish him
>Doomsday is just a plot device
>Silver Banshee, Toyman, Intergang, ect can’t really hold a movie
>Zod has been used to many times

So who could really be a believable Superman villain for a sequel?

do the one with the tiny city

>>213575028
That’s Brainiac

>>213575059
give him a tiny underling who is similarly powerful and sets the real thing up as a conceivable threat

>>213575089
Probablemente with Brianiac is that depending on how you do him he could easily fall as the main villain for a JL movie

>>213575009 (OP)
That's a jew, he needs the natural enemy of the jews.

>>213575129
>ESL spic
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>>213575140
nature?

>>213575140
Mongul?

>>213575129
>Probablemente
Anyway, Brainiac can still be used as a Superman villain.

>>213575129
What do you think of your fellow browns from India who love this movie, paco?

>>213575009 (OP)
Lobo

>>213575301
Is Anthonio, get it right Andrew and not a fan of Indians they smell

>>213575009 (OP)
Batman

>>213575009 (OP)
Superman kinda has shit villains outside of Luthor, Brainiac and Zod doesn’t he ? Darkseid doesn’t count

>>213575359
based

>>213575009 (OP)
Why does it have to be a singular villain? The first Superman movie had the engineer, bizarro, and lex as villains

I think they've already discarded Metallo, 'cause he was introduced and defeated in a in-universe tie-in book for kids.

I'd probably go with Intergang and introduce some aspects related to Apokolips. Maybe Kalibak as the thing Superman needs to punch.

My favorite option would be to do something with the Eradicator device (something made the Fortress and keeps making those Superman Robots). It could tie in with Brainiac (two different Kryptonian AI with conflicting goals), and even further explore the supposed message by Jor-El and Lara.

>>213575581
The main villain is Lex, Ultraman was just to have a final cape shit fight

Won’t be a JL movie but a Legion of Superheroes with a bunch of side characters Gunn loves

>>213575591
>Kalibak
Wait I wanna know what you are cooking with this. Go on anon

>>213575129
give him a couple of tiny underlings

>>213575009 (OP)
Amazo

Zod for Superman 2, Brainiac for Superman 3. Or, Brainiac is a JL villain later on and Bizarro for Superman 3.

>>213575009 (OP)
I only know Zod, Darkseid and Doomsday from that list so one of those.

>>213575638
>wait
>go on
which one is it motherfucker

>>213575666
Kek I wanna know what you cooking negro that’s all

>>213575440
Not really. They’re not not as widely known as Batman villains because was difficult to create them with conventional FX. Since CGI they haven’t been able to get a Superman franchise off the ground.

>>213575009 (OP)
i want to fugg skyler gisondo

>>213575009 (OP)
Can’t you just tho Ragnarok Superman so he fights Mongul ?

>>213575608
Yeah and? Just have a main villain and side villains again

>>213575725
I mean you can’t really have green Govlin in every movie but marvel and Sony have managed to do: Green Goblin, Dr Octopus, Sandman, Venom, Lizard, Electro, Vulture, Mysterio. Batman has use: Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, Twoface, Riddler, Poison Ivy, Ra Al Ghoul, Scarecrow, Talia. So why the fuck are we stuck with Luthor and Zod with Superman?

>>213575812
Guarantee it be Brainiac with side villains, possibly Ultraman coming out of the void as Bizarro. Because it’s Gunn no way Mr Mxyzptlk isn’t going to show up at some point

What you think of my idea
>Movie opens with Superman battling Atomic Skull in Metropolis
>Atomic Skull self destructs and wipes out Metropolis, only Superman survives, think the Dark Knight Returns nuke scene
>Superman is heartbroken
>Legion of Superheroes appears and tells him they've come to help him rewrite history to bring back Metropolis
>Superman travels to their future with them, time travel shenanigans etc etc
>It's revealed that one of the members of the Legion is actually evil (I'm thinking Cosmic Boy) and the whole thing is a ploy to betray the Legion and replace Superman who he's a deranged fanboy of and make Lois Lane and all the present day DCU women his concubines
>Maybe he kills a Legion member or two or all of them for a twist
>He's defeated etc etc
>Superman stops Atomic Skull by hurling him into space, but beforehand makes peace with him, it's revealed that Skull is dying and partially insane with no control over his impending detonation, scene played to pull emotional strings

>>213575812
>>213575889
Brainiac doesn’t really need a side villain. Dude is smarter than Luthor and can hit just as hard as Zod

>>213575009 (OP)
Mxyzptlk and Bizarro can absolutely work with Gunn's DC universe. He doesn't give a fuck about realism or making costumes "tactical." We got fucking comic accurate Metamorpho

>>213575849
Again, post CGI they haven’t been able to get Superman off the ground. Spider Man was fortunate to come out when CGI was around. Had the rights not been tied up in legal shit for decades it would’ve been very difficult to do Spider Man let alone his villains like Doc Ock with conventional FX back 70s and 80s.

>>213575902
Its a little high concept even for superman

>>213575931
How would you use Mxy

>>213575924
Im not as convinced as the other anon brainiac is next but a grab-bag of villains works just fine in a Superman movie. Someone for him to punch, someone to test his values, someone to threaten his secret life as reporter Clark Kent, these can all be filled by different villains

>>213575976
I get what you mean but what stopped Superman Returns from using any other Superman villain besides Lex? And then the one that came out used Lex AGAIN. And they could have at least used a proper Bizarros

I don't see why Luthor+Bizarro wouldn't work. Luthor's always gonna be there in the background, so why not take advantage of that? Spin a tale about Superman doubting himself, the world doubting him, Bizarro showing the ugly side of what Superman can do, all that jazz? Seems like a pretty simple existential and identity crisis story to me.
To answer your question though, no, I can't think of main villains that can solo carry the film. Superman's limited in arch nemeses because of his power, so he's usually dealing with concepts of evil and destruction instead.

>>213576040
Yeah but why use so many villain and would be basically the same as this movie. And most likely it be Lex Luthor with Parasite or Lex Luthor and Metallo or Lex Luthor and Bizarro again

>>213576048
Brainiac can carry a movie, so can Zod, Mongul and Darkseid.

>>213576012
It would be very psychedelic with all reality warping

Question though: has Superman crossed streams villain-wise with Batman? I feel like any of those + kryptonite would fuck Superman. Since most of Batman's enemies try to match wits, I figure most would be smart enough to know "hmmm what if I mix that shit he's weak against into this?" Like Bane, Scarecrow, fuckin Riddler could team up against Superman and Penguin supplies the goods.

Gunn basically said Lex will always be a main character

>>213576114
I don’t see him working as a movie villain. You would need someone else to drive the narrative.

>>213576102
>Zod
OP said he's overused and I agree. Man of Steel did it already to good effect.
>Mongul
Who?
>Darkseid
Again already done, somewhat recently. And he's a JL threat.

>>213576045
Lex is always the starting out villain like Green Goblin. But trust me, people were not happy when heard Lex was going to be the only villain in Returns. I remember Singer being asked “who’s Superman going to punch.” Every knew it was going to suck when they found out it was going to just be Lex. After it bombed Singer promised the next one would be all “Wrath of Khan” Make no mistakes MOS and MurderMan was an over correction for Returns

>>213576168
Mongul is this guy >>213575772
Basically he rules war world which is a gladiator planet. Think Thor Ragnarok but Thor actually fights the grandmaster instead of Hela

>>213576200
People actually asked Singer that? Unfortunately Returns is responsible for the whole “boring” narrative.

>>213576156
I’m not worried with that. There will always be multiple villains. If anything, Gunn will stuff the moves with too much going on over too little. Somehow he seems to pull it off

>>213576205
Sounds like that'd come close to ripping off Dragonball Super (Jiren)

>>213576302
You think that would work? Who would be the actual villain

>>213576270
Yeah, because people were groaning when they heard it was just going to be Lex. This was Superman big return to Silver Screen with finally FX to finally bring his powers and villains to life.

>>213576313
Mongul predates Jiren and in his inception was literally physically stronger than Superman

>>213575009 (OP)
they should just rip off the animated series from the 90s/2000s and expand some of the better episodes into feature length movies.

>>213576012
Don't do it as hero punches villain (although you can have action with Mxy creating monsters and stuff), do an actual Mxy story where a godlike interdimensional being torments Superman for his own pleasure by warping reality until Superman can finally outsmart him and send him back to his dimension

>>213576486
We need a capeshit fight for the normies bro. Hmm maybe Mxy can use his reality warping powers to bring back Ultraman as Bizarro

>>213576486
They already set it up with Luthor creating a pocket dimension and the throwaway line about the "interdimensional imp." It wouldn't be stretch for audiences

>>213576486
Mxy is just to powerful and is not someone Superman can punch either

>>213576534
What we've seen is that normies love capeshit the crazier and comic bookier it gets. GOTG movies are the most beloved Marvel movies. The real problem is with writing an actual good script, which was the problem with Green Lantern and it convinced producers that normies hate aesthetic comic accuracy and far out stories

>>213576577
The only two worthwhile Stories featuring Mxy is for the Whatever Happened to the man of tomorrow and Emperor Joker. You can’t really do WHTTMOT since it’s about Superman’s Twilight and Emperor Hoker you have to integrate Batman characters

>>213575009 (OP)
Brainiac, you can make one of his bodies a Superman level threat and then have the full hivemind be the JL level threat

"superman" is more just about being a superhero than the the specific stories and the villians he fights.
thats why none of his villians are particularly notable. except the ones that acutally defeat him like doomsday.
the best storylines for superman would be something like injustice.
like a story for superman is just like office space but with superhero shit, and the villians are there just to make him confront his humanity or whatever. the villans in superman are all about "how can I defeat superman". where as other villans to superheroes have schemes that are about fucking with the population in various unique ways.

>>213575009 (OP)
You can use Darkseid in a Superman movie but is to set him up as the villain in JL

>Lobo is sent to fetch Superman for Mongul to have the last Kryptonian fight on War World
>Lobo and Superman end up teaming up against Mongul and it's an odd couple buddy cop movie
>Jason Momoa as Lobo
A billion dollars

>>213576833
This will probably be the plot of Supergirl (2025) since Momoa is confirmed to appear as Lobo.

>Livewire and Silver Banshee team up
>Their evil plan is to seduce Superman and steal his kryptonian sperm
>They wear skintight costumes throughout
>Pic rel cast as each
A billion dollars

>>213575009 (OP)
>Jokersque movie about Toymaster but le tired oh noes le electronic gadgets le bad

>>213575129
You are brown

>>213575009 (OP)
Is myxlptlk not ideal for goofcore superman

>>213575009 (OP)
Manchester Black.

>>213576012
"Kill" Lois Lane, the Kents, Kara and try to mindbroke Superman but at last he doesn't give up and fixes everything.

Superman 2025 is one of the worst superhero movies of all times. James Gunn, who excels in directing overdone violence, out of place quips, undeserved melodrama and perverted sex obsession brings all his trademark traits to this rendition of Superman. This isn't a Superman movie, it's a Marvel/Guardians of Galaxy movie with Superman in the middle of it. In fact, Gunn seems to enjoy writing Justice Gang far more than he does writing Superman. The former which ran off two jokes that were repeated ad nauseam throughout the movie.

What makes Superman a compelling character is gone in Gunn's sloppy adaption. He's not particularly strong, he's not particularly wise, he's a poor leader, he's extremely narcissist and gets easily emotional. And this is supposed to be a seasoned Superman. It's almost like Gunn was projecting his own shitty flawed character on to Superman. The only missing touch would be if Lois was a minor.

The action scenes are just a complete mess of CG blob. Superman is basically a rag doll that gets thrown all over the place and nothing in this movie has weight or meaning to it, particularly in its action. There's a scene where Lois and Mr Terrific break into enemy HQ and the whole ordeal is of course settled with a very catchy music montage of all the enemies being dismantled with utter ease. The next scene is of Clark trying to keep a CGI baby from drowning in lava with his deus ex dog arriving in timely manner to save him again. This is straight out of a Marvel movie and has no place in a Superman movie.

This rendition of Lex is also his most shallow depiction. There is no nuance or intelligence to this Lex. He's not particularly shrewd and constantly spills out his plans for everyone to find out. He throws into temper tantrums just like Superman and starts to sob and cry because Superman is better than him. Where is the elegance and intelligence of Luthor? This is basically a spoiled rich kid battling another spoiled strong kid. 1/10, MCU slop.

>>213576945
That's just Maxima's character.

>>213579313
james gunn has joss whedon chained up in his basement

>>213575440
Mxy is pretty cool and Cyborg Superman is underrated but yeah, I guess.

Brainiac feels like a natural progression.

>>213575009 (OP)
Brainiac

>>213576882
>wasting Mongul on Kara
Gunn cannot be this retarded

>>213575009 (OP)
A tornado.

>>213579313
You are gay and retarded

>>213583263
He's right though.

>>213579313
Are you retarded? What exactly makes Superman compelling to you? Because it’s definitely not how Snyder did him. Also watch Winder Woman 1984 now that’s a bad movie in every sense of the word. It just sounds like you don’t like Gunn’s style.

>>213579313
I just wanna talk about villains here. Post you gay review on another thread or make your own.

>>213576833
Tbh can see this being the plot of Supergirl with Kara taking the place of Clark. Mongul tells Lobo to bring a kryptonian to war world and he brings Supergirl instead of Superman

>>213575009 (OP)
>Braniac
>Metallo
>Bizarro
>Parasite
>Toyman
Who the fuck writes this shit?

>>213583303
Yes it's true. That anon is gay and retarded.

>>213576683
>the best storylines for superman would be something like injustice
Literally one of his worst stories because of how OOC it makes Superman and the rest of the cast. If you want a story where Superman has to grapple with Lois' death and the decaying morals of society and how that all impacts Superman, then Kingdom Come is much better

>>213583707
you likely can google that if you are interested

>>213583707
>Tarman
>Die-hardman
>Heartman
>Deadman
Who writes this shit?

>>213575009 (OP)
Brainiac was always a Superman villain. I don’t see why he should be saved for JL
Starro was a JL villain and he fought Suicide squad
Bizarro would be fine since the first movie set him up. Just say ultra man got sucked into the black hole thing at the end of first movie and ended up on bizarro world and populated it with bizarro clones
>Superman is trapped on cube earth and losing his powers
>on the run from Bizarro
>bizarro has a son and tied him to an atomic bomb and is launching him to earth (like how joe el sent super baby to earth)

>>213575009 (OP)
>>Mxy is just too goofy to work in live action
I had an idea for him used to kickstart the plot of a World's Finest movie
>Batman and Superman are socialising nicely
>Mxyzptlk shows up to be an asshole
>gets outwitted so has to fuck off home
>as a final fuck you he shits out red kryptonite, gold kryptonite, blue kryptonite, etc. and scatters them over America whilst letting the villains know before fucking off
>road trip/scavenging hunt movie for all the kryptonite and Luthor setting his dogs on both of them - shit can be very light hearted before you get progressively more serious villains they have to deal with
>end it on sincere note of Superman keeping behind a bit of green kryptonite to give to Batman

>>213576040
Brainiac could be the kind of guy that makes Zod team up with Superman for revenge, i.e.
>betrayed over Krypton like in the cartoon, took Kandor, and caused enough infastructure fuckery that they didn't detect the destruction until too late and resources too depleted to evacuate
Zod would be out for revenge and actually buddy up with Superman. But mix up Brainiac's deal, like he's an AI but initially from Colu that lands up on Krypton after destroying his homeworld, betrays Krypton too, etc. and the green body is something he organically grew as it surpassed the mechanic constructs. I like the idea of him being a bit like Cavil from Battlestar - he wants that knowledge to evolve so he can experience stuff no other being has before. Here's the rant:
>I saw a star explode and send out the building blocks of the Universe. Other stars, other planets and eventually other life. A supernova! Creation itself! I was there. I wanted to see it and be part of the moment. And you know how I perceived one of the most glorious events in the universe? With these ridiculous gelatinous orbs in my skull! With eyes designed to perceive only a tiny fraction of the EM spectrum. With ears designed only to hear vibrations in the air. ...
>I don't want to be human! I want to see gamma rays! I want to hear X-rays! And I want to - I want to smell dark matter! Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to - I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language! But I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws! And feel the wind of a supernova flowing over me! I'm a machine! And I can know much more! I can experience so much more. But I'm trapped in this absurd body! And why? Because my five creators thought that God wanted it that way!

>>213575308
Was going to post this

>>213575009 (OP)
Superman villains are shit, he should just borrow some of Batmans rogue gallery.

>>213585705
Lobo will be in Supergirl

>>213575440
No, they just haven't adapted Superman's real best villain.

>>213585727
Are you an idiot? What the fuck could Batman villains do against Superman?

>>213582745
We know that's not happening, it's adapting a recent story arc that's basically True Grit in Space with Supergirl in the Rooster role.

>>213585842
There's ways to make them work in a World's Finest movie, i.e. Poison Ivy mind control or Luthor retooling Bane's venom so it contains kryptonite

>>213585877
Lex fucking with Batman and Superman whilst he's under house arrest in a fancy apartment and awaiting trial is too good to pass up.

>>213585802
Skizi fem thinks she can handle the MAIN MAN?


They are probably gonna fuck it up but mamoa will be cool

>>213584538
I imagine Metallo working as a military thing under Sam Lane (in essence making him Superman's Thunderbolt Ross) and Parasite more as some tragic figure experimented on by Lex, so Superman vs Parasite is more about Superman actually trying to save the guy from himself as much as the others he endangers in his quest to get revenge on Lex

>>213576313
>DC ripping off tranime
Like goku isn't just superman with a side of sushi anyways lmao

>>213583707
People from the 50 and 60s

>>213579313
Slopa-pasta
Cringe

>>213585439
Because Brainiac can easily be a JL level threat

>>213575009 (OP)
Parasite could be a really good tragic villain.

>>213585727
>batman villains
They are Batman’s for a reason. The fuck can they do to Superman ?

>>213585422
you shut your mouth

>>213586011
Probable with Parasite is that I don’t believe he can carry a movie by himself. He would need Lex Luthor to hold his hand

>>213586141
Problem

>>213586126
Just like Quiet?

>>213575009 (OP)
Man Superman has some lame villains

Not Superman per say but the YJ version of Savage would be an excellent overarching villain for the Earth stuff. Guy is basically a Earth nationalist and has interesting reasons for hating the JL.
>"50,000 years of life, and nothing ever troubled me as much as the founding of the Justice League. Dedicated to maintaining society’s calcified status quo, the League would protect mankind from disaster, crime, tragedy of any kind. Had you never heard of the ‘survival of the fittest’? In essence you heroes sought to protect humanity from its own glorious evolution.

>>213586301
>And so I say your commie crap like a universal healthcare system should never come to be, strong Americans do not die of illnesses or accidents. Long live Drumpf

>>213586301
>>213586328
How does this relate to him being a villain in a Superman movie ?

>>213586357
It's something he would say in current day.

>>213586357
Simply throwing shit out there to an extent but given the quote I posted, you could see why he'd zero in on Superman specifically vs. somebody like Batman or Green Arrow

>>213585963
Kek i would say Goku is Supwrlan but retarded

Gorilla Grodd
He's awesome.

>>213586628
Flash villain

>>213586742
nta but ultra humanite as a sub? Gorilla bodied weirdo villain

>>213586742
He fights Superdick a lot.

>>213575009 (OP)
Brainiac will probably be the villain of the Superman/Supergirl crossover, which considering how things at DC are doing it’s probably just going to be Superman 2.

>>213575009 (OP)
The only nitpick I have about Superman 2025 is that Gunn played it too safe it felt like he was afraid to go full Silver age surrealist like he'd obviously love to.

Mr. Mxyzptlk would be a perfect fit for the new DCU, not only he plays right into Gunn's strengths as a director, but he can actually be a credible threat if done right
cast him

>>213587972
>cast him
We already lost our angel

>>213587972
Sylvester McCoy

>>213586447
But anon, that's just Snyderman

>>213586873
He could work since he is part of the Superman rogues gallery

Back in the 90s Superman had a villain named Conduit that I always thought was underrated. He was a kid from Smallville who competed with Clark in sports and popularity and in trying to get Lana, but Clark always beat him at everything. He was exposed to Kryptonite at birth and as an adult he had experiments done on him that allowed him to harness and project that radiation, and he tried to kill Clark, at first without knowing he was Superman, but later he found out.
So he was interesting for being a personal enemy of Clark rather than Superman. Back in the day he got killed off rather quickly and then never really used again which I always thought was a waste.

>>213575986
You don't know what "high concept" means.

>>213575009 (OP)
Metallo can actually work as both a dramatic and bruiser type villain. Someone who loses his touch with human self, but has the power to go toe to toe against Superma