Thread 213589287

Just watched A Nightmare on Elm Street for the first time. Pretty great, but what the fuck is this ending?

>>213589287 (OP)
Twist shock ending for the sake of it. Other endings were filmed. They didn't think they'd get sequels. The general idea is that they didn't win and they are trapped in another dream and gonna die.

2>3>1>5>6>4>7

>>213589399
>2
>t. unironic faggot

>>213589287 (OP)
it's just your typical sequelbait ending, have you never seen an 80s horror movie?

i have the exact same dogs playing pool rug on my wall. shits so cash

>>213589447
>movie that is clearly anti-fag
>if you like it you must be a fag
???

>>213589306
I feel like they could have made a better sequel bait ending that wasn't confusing as shit. Like have him appear in another random girl's nightmare, stalking her and as he's about to go in for the kill she wakes up. Boom credits.

>>213589399
1>3>4>FvJ>2>5>6>NN

Horror movies end like that all the time it's the only genre where the protagonists can lose at the end.

>>213589490
>that is clearly anti-fag
What the fuck are you talking about? It's clearly about repression and AIDS paranoia. How the fuck is it anti-fag except for your headcanon? Provide one quote by Chaskin where he says it was made with homophobic leaning.
Jesus Christ, this is deep in the closet shit - to see the most gay, homoerotic movie imaginable and conclude through some mental autism that it's somehow bashing what it's showing.

>>213589399
1 > 4 > FVJ > 2 > 7 > 5 > 6 > 3

>>213590109
Why do you dislike Dream Warriors so much?

>>213590070
What positive message about being gay does it show? Freddy is either meant to represent aids or repression of homosexuality or both, but using a murderous and disgusting monster to represent those aspects of gays doesn't seem like a good way to promote homosexuals. If it's just about how hard life was for gays, who gives a shit?

>>213590914
>If it's just about how hard life was for gays, who gives a shit?
Nigger you have got to be joking. That's 95% of all gay movies. The repression storyline is the fucking core of almost all of them. By your logic, Brokeback Mountain isn't gay. Moonlight isn't gay. Call Me by Your Name isn't gay. They are all about repression and how hard it is for gays. Same with Freddy's revenge.
It's literally a direct allegory of aids paranoia and how hard it is for a teen to come to the conclusion that he is a faggot.
I have no idea how you are trying to rationalize this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncO4Ow8be2U
into being anti gay.
My man, get out of the closet. This is like 101 of repressed sexuality. When you see the gayest shit and try to extenuate why it isn't so that you would have an excuse to like it.
Can I have a quote with writer or director explicitly confirming it's anti-gay? Or you will just continue with the headcanon?

>>213589287 (OP)
A studio mandated final scare designed to leave the door open for a sequel that Craven hadn’t intended. Speaking of which, it would have been far more effective had she just been pulled through the open door and for it to slam shut, roll credits. Craven didn’t want it and it has always looked terrible

>>213591318
>Craven didn’t want it and it has always looked terrible
I don't know. The unnaturally long arm and just the exaggerated and violent way she is dragged through the window always scared me the most about the film as a teen.

>>213591236
I never said that there wasn't gay shit in the movie, just that it it's all negative. Don't see how gay people would happily identify with the themes of this or I guess as you say most gay films when it's all about woe is me bullshit. I enjoy the movie for the surface level creepiness and dark portrayal of Freddy. The gay shit is just something to roll your eyes at or laugh about.

>>213589287 (OP)
Imagine watching and discussing the 1980s / 1990s equivalent of modern day goyslop.

>>213590070
>Freddy the villain represents homosexuality
>is literally defeated by the power of a woman's hetero love

>>213591605
>just that it it's all negative
No. It's tragic. All of that repression and AIDS is supposed to be tragic. All of these movies primarily evoke empathy for the oppressed.
Again, by your logic, all of the above-mentioned movies portray gays negatively since they tackle the same repression theme. I have no idea why in your mind a gay movie doesn't count as such unless it's in the rank of Bros about how heckin epic, zanny and quirky it is to be a faggot.
>I enjoy the movie for the surface level creepiness and dark portrayal of Freddy.
My initial post about calling you "unironic faggot" was just a banter. I legitimately didn't expect you to go onto defensive of why it isn't a gay codded movie and actually based anti-gay one.

>>213591681
>defeated
>please ignore the ending of him coming back again, as Elton Johning himself did not in fact help Jesse kiss the gay away

For me, it's Dream Master

>>213591872
>please ignore the ending of him coming back again
to kill more people, yeahhhhhh not seeing the postive rep there

>>213589287 (OP)
It's a NIGHTMARE...
it's just a dream, a dream...
NO, IT'S A NIGHTMARE...

>>213591943
>yeahhhhhh not seeing the postive rep there
The rep is that if you repressing your homo lust for your sweaty, naked buddy you do sleepover with it is going to eat you from the inside. Literally. I'm genuinely flabbergasted; Chaskin has on the record said teenage angst of repressed sexuality has always been intentional, but he would never admit it at the time. This is just mental gymnastics at this point.

>>213589937
>NN being the worst
The worst is your tasteless opinion.

>>213589287 (OP)
I think Shaye wanted it open for sequels and I'm glad he did because I love 2, 3, 4 and New Nightmare.

>>213592177
and then kill your buddy.
I mean I see the gay subtext, but it's portraying it as something predatory and monstrous. I'd have an easier time believing Chaskin was wrestling with his own issues and it bled into the script, than it was an intentional attempt because if a straight person wrote this exactly the same way, everyone would be screaming homophobic.
If he did do it intentionally, then he did a piss poor job. It makes homosexuality look like something that destroys everything it touches.

>>213589399
Based af. Freddy's Revenge is actually more scary than the original. Yeah yeah gay stuff whatever.

>>213592224
New Nightmare was novel at the time for being meta, but the pacing sucks and the kid is grating. It doesn't feel like a Nightmare movie. Only 2 or 3 kills? The dream sequences are sparse and not very creative. I don't like Freddy's look/makeup in this. His face looks rubbery whereas before it looked wet and more textured. The earthquakes throughout were lame. The only real positives were Heather and Robert's performances.

>>213592306
it scared me straight

>>213589287 (OP)
It's intentionally funny. Horror is all about building up and releasing tension. They let the viewer have a big laugh at the end. It's great.

>>213592288
>and then kill your buddy.
Yes, because you are repressing it. Do I have to repeat it 3 more times? The movie literally, visually shows repressed homosexuality bursting through him. It's not an instruction or suggestion to continue repressing it.
>I'd have an easier time believing Chaskin was wrestling with his own issues
As far as I know, Chaskin is straight, so that immediately flips your narrative upside down. The lead actor was gay and he from the get go thought that this is the gayest shit ever.
>It makes homosexuality look like something that destroys everything it touches.
Yes, the repressed one eats you from inside and leads to angst, I said for the 5th time, as you continue to pretend not to see exactly what Freddy represents. Again, absolute fucking mental gymnastics of pretending the movie clearly alluding to gay issues isn't gay because it's in the framework of a horror movie where people die.

>>213590070
You should watch it again with the knowledge of what causes night terrors.

The practical effects that went into these movies, even for little things, was incredible. I like how each movie had something unique they tried too.

>>213589399
IS THIS THE GAYEST NIGHTMARE EVER?

>>213593023
What he’s repressing is knowledge he was sexually abused by a man. What’s eating him alive inside is the desire to continue the cycle of abuse. The first kill is the gym teacher who likes to isolate and abuse young boys. The friend is trying to get him over to his house and hard rebuking any females interested in him. It’s only about homosexuality by association with the results of sexual abuse of males.

>>213589287 (OP)
Wow this was nazi propaganda

>>213589287 (OP)
>Just watched A Nightmare on Elm Street for the first time.
Wtf bro? Spooktober is right around the corner, you should have saved it for then.

>>213594730
Amateur move. I love horror but I cram it all in from September to February.

>>213589399
Why did 2 give you the courage to come out fag

>>213595086
I'm not a huge horror fan, so trying to roll it all up in my spooktober movie marathon makes it something I look forward to.
It was last year, or the year before last where october had a Friday the 13th, so I finally got around to watching all the Jason movies. Despite being born in the 80's, and everyone I knew had seen the friday the 13th movies, somehow I never managed to see any of them except for Jason Goes to Manhattan at a sleepover when I was like 12.
Most of those movies are fucking trash, but Jason X might be the greatest thing ever captured on film.

>>213591681
>is literally defeated by the power of a woman's hetero love
QRD?

>>213594602
>What he’s repressing is knowledge he was sexually abused by a man.
Just say you are headcanoning it from the beginning. The worst time waster on this board is arguing with a person who is fully on death of the author spree and deliberately ignores what the writer or the actor say about the narrative.

>>213595828
The main character is being possessed by Freddy who basically manifests himself into the real world through him. A girl who has feelings for him destroys Freddy at the end of the movie by kissing him and telling him she loves him.

>>213591937
Best intro song. Bad ass suit up scene. Gruesomest kill.

>>213594267
My first Freddy kill was the roach scene. Such wild affects for little me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wksYAuafKg

>>213589287 (OP)
so... it was all a dream?

>>213596403
The multi-layers of the roach kill is great, something you would never get to see in any other slasher movie.

>>213593023
AND WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER MEN HE KILLS, STUPID?!
Dammit! yes, we know what you're saying about repression but it doesn't make sense. If a guy represses his gayness, he kills other men? THE METAPHOR DOESN'T WORK.

and don't give me some bullshit the writer said years later after the fact. It's far from the first time some writer pulled "I meant to do that" shit. Like I said, if he was trying to say something he did a poor job. He fucked it up.

Man, fingers crossed for a proper 3D release (true stereo instead of anaglyph) of Freddy's Dead with the upcoming 4K box set.

>>213596055
Anon night terrors are caused by sexual abuse.

>>213597070
>(true stereo instead of anaglyph)
what do you mean?

Jason is better. Made Freddy his bitch.

>>213597215
Separate left and right "eyes" so you can use with modern glasses or VR headsets. The anaglyph is fun, and it would be hilarious to use my glasses from the theatrical run on the new 4K release, but I'd prefer it be updated instead. Friday the 13th Part 3 is fantastic now that you no longer need red and blue glasses to watch it in 3D.

>>213589287 (OP)
Freddy was a misogynistic chud who didn't want woman to leave the kitchen.

>>213596985
Came through loud and clear for me when I rewatched it a few months ago, as I had the knowledge of how all homosexuals were molested as children and what causes night terrors. How the entire family acts like nothing happened while at the same time extremely guilty. The antisocial behavior of the friend, etc etc.

>>213597380
ahhh

>>213597314
Jason movies are all too samey and he has no personality

>>213596985
>he kills other men
Freddy kills other men through him. He is a manifestation of his repressed homolust in a slasher movie where he kills people in the 80s instead of lashing out or acting out. Why the fuck you are expecting this to be explicitly reinforced into the repressed sexuality plotline is anyone's guess. I thought you understood that it was an allegory. Nobody in their right mind would put it upfront.
>and don't give me some bullshit the writer
Then fucking say so. Say that you are headcanoning from the start. Why were you even trying to attribute anything to Chaskin in the first place if you don't give a shit?

>>213589287 (OP)
Ignore everyone ITT.
It was mandated by one of his producers, one who had most at stake. Wes compromised because without him, the movie would not have been made. He admits he wishes he never put it, or had sequels to the film but understands why it had to be there.
That's it. There is nothing else to the story.

>>213598475
I get that a producer wanted a sequel hook, but why did they make it so confusing?

>>213598386
Anon he kills the coach because the coach is abusive. Your read of the movie isn’t informed by the movie itself. The main character was abused. Victims of abuse lash out randomly. He’s fixed by a real, non-abusive connection.

>>213598386
you're the one who is headcanoning, deciding which stuff counts and which doesn't.
If you had no clue who wrote it and had JUST the movie to go on, would you be spouting this or would you read this as a man's homsexuality manifesting as a thing that emerges and results in the death of other men?

I want to know why a scene like is was referred to by film scholar Robin Wood as "the most obscenely homophobic film I have ever seen," and goes on to say that this portrayal succeeds in "managing to associate with homosexuality in a single scene physical grossness, moral depravity, violence and disease."

while NOES 2 gets to ignore all the on screen violence because you found out a gay man wrote it.

>>213598527
it's dreaaaammmmmy

>>213598475
>or had sequels to the film
If Wes never wanted sequels why did he get so butthurt over Dream Warriors?

which death do you think is most brutal? roach motel? or the girl who is force fed her own intestines?

>>213598562
>because the coach is abusive
He is killed by Freddy because he is caught in the gay bar. Once again repressing his sexual desires by annihilating people who might know what he wants deep inside. Setting up the coach to be an asshole does not signify any autistic rape canon, which would have been an even more ridiculous setup to put the movie through in 80s.
>nah it can't be about suppsred gay highschool boy denying his sexiality, it's actually about how he was raped by everyone
I know you two are hardcore headcanoning how the movie this explicitly homoerotic movie is finna dabs on fucking faggots, but you are both contradicted by the people who created it.
>He’s fixed by a real, non-abusive connection.
If you ignore the ending of course, but that isn't hard considering that outright stated intent of the writer is being ignored.

>>213598712
>you're the one who is headcanoning
I'm not the one who literally tries to contradict the author. Are you aware that they've made a doc where Patton and Chaskin basically exchange for 20 minutes how gay this movie is? It's that overt. Freddy's Revenge has always been about teenage angst over not being able to express your sexuality.
What the fuck does some random "film scholar" talking about a Dune scene have to do with any of this?
Is this your idiotic substitute for Chaskin's own words about the script he wrote?
Should we bring in Roger Ebert next so he can tell us how Conan the Barbarian is actually inherently racist because Thulsa Doom is decapitated by a white man?

>>213598917
In terms of most brutal/horrifying?
Roach seems really painful, but there's also the mental shit of being turned into a roach that seems especially sick. The puppet one is also up there for me, always wince when he cuts into him and pulls him up by his tendons

>>213599011
Yes I'm aware that people lie. I've also seen docs about the film, like the older one where the DIRECTOR admits he had no clue there was any subtext at the time because the writer sure as hell wasn't saying shit BACK THEN. You think the studio was intentionally making that kind of film.

No, way later, they jumped on the bandwagon because they know assholes like you would eat it up.

And that's the point with Dune comparison, because if David Lynch, one day, said he was gay and meant Dune as the same kind of repression bullshit, you'd be agree with that too. And then if he said a year later he wasn't gay, and it wasn't that WHAT WOULD YOU DO THEN?

I'm going BY THE FILM. You can pick and choose what you want to make it what you want but don't hand me horseshit.

>>213599011
>the guy who’s openly gay and abusing students is repressing his desires

lmao

>>213599011
The writer wrote a horror screenplay screenplay about how homosexuality is an abuse cycle. we know that to be true today. Decades later he tries to say it’s just repressed homosexuality, which is still technically true, as that would be someone fighting against continuing the abuse cycle.

>>213599199
>Yes I'm aware that people lie.
>I'm not headcanoning, they are just lying about what they wrote.
What the fuck is your malfunction at this point? I'm not even trying to change your mind. Obviously a meaningless affair. Just a very fascinating alternative reality construction.
>because if David Lynch, one day, said he was gay and meant Dune as the same kind of repression bullshit
What? Vlad Harkonnen has always been a pedophilic sodomite. It's just part of his hedonistic and vile character, along with his gravity chair so that he wouldn't be restricted in movement despite being fat as shit. What kind of ridiculous parallel are you trying to fucking pull in connection to NOES2? Him fucking little boys is not an allegory for anything. This is becoming silly. Herbert wasn't commenting on how degenerate faggots are by making Vlad a degenerate.
Nobody is gay in Freddy's Revenge aside from the coach. It's all in subtext. Do you seriously not grasp the difference?

>>213599389
No? Jesse is. I have no idea what could have led you to believe I was referring to the coach in that sentence.

>>213599503
>The writer wrote a horror screenplay screenplay about how homosexuality is an abuse cycle.
It is an interesting read, and I have no problem with you interpreting it this way, just don't try to pretend that this is what the writer actually meant, literally crossing out his own words, trying to attribute them to some shifty agenda of altering meanings of the theme.

>>213599739
I want to know why you pick and choose what parts you want to read your subtext into?

and I do want to know why your reading into things is valid but other critics isn't? Or is your point that it's all subjective and it really doesn't matter what you think then?

>>213599739
>don't try to pretend that this is what the writer actually meant

It’s what the movie clearly states. Night terrors, antisocial behavior, the entire family acting like they were raped and disconnecting with the victim, the victim lashing out, violence against perceived abusers, cycle broken by forming a non-abusive connection.

>>213599837
>I want to know why you pick and choose what parts you want to read your subtext into?
I fucking said it 50 times already. Because the author of the script explicitly said what he put the emphasis on. You can ignore it and interpret it how you like. Just don't pretend that the author of said script is lying about what he wrote and he actually had your reading in mind all along. That's just demented.

>>213599881
>It’s what the movie clearly states.
No, it's what you are reading from an armchair.
And more power to you, just stop pretending that this is what the script was actually about all along and Chaskin and Patton are just gaslighting you and everyone for faggot clout.

>>213589287 (OP)
sequel bait

>>213600070
That is what the script is clearly about. You should rewatch the movie with the understanding of the psychology of the abused you’ve gained from this thread. Hell, just the knowledge of how homosexuals reproduce via sexual abuse and that night terrors are caused by sexual abuse.

>>213589937
>>213590109
Based FVJ lovers. Talk about taking a concept and just running with it. That movie is a lot of fun.

>>213589399
>>213589447
>>213595120
2 has that absolute banger pool scene with Freddy. I like the other movies except 6, but I can't think of a more hype moment than that.

>>213600070
I AM going to pretend he is lying. I already explained this. I don't believe someone who is going to rewrite the script he wrote 20 years after the fact.
Like I said, if he meant to say that with the film, then he did a poor job because without him to tell you in a separate film what you're supposed to pick and choose, NOES2 doesn't say that at all.

It's always felt strange to me that Freddy killed a bunch of kids and audiences loved him and loved when he made jokes. Then remake Freddy was a kid diddler and suddenly it wasn't okay for him to joke anymore. So diddling is worse than murder apparently.

Freddy's Dead is great and I'm tired of faggots that bad mouth it
>Twin Peaks feel to it
>great kills like the deaf guys head exploding and the video game kill
>legit creepy scenes like the orphanage lady or the crazy teacher or the town with no kids
>Freddy backstory that flows well with his "son of a hundred maniacs" origin

>>213600352
It's actually insane how popular Freddy was, but if you read between the lines, you kinda pick up on the fact that he's a diddler too (the way he treated Nancy in the first movie with the tongue or the bath scene. As a reminder, Nancy is supposed be much younger but was casted much older)

The new NOES just suffered from remake fatigue and basically being unable to cast someone better and more iconic than Englund.

>>213600440
>The new NOES just suffered from remake fatigue
It was also a shit movie.
> being unable to cast someone better and more iconic than Englund.
This is impossible.

>>213600490
>It was also a shit movie.
Agreed but Jackie Earle Haley did well as a creepy Freddy.

Nightmare on Elm Street was probably the most consistent of the slashers. I don't think that's a hot take, I could watch all of them up to Freddy's Dead and still love each one

>>213600538
>Agreed but Jackie Earle Haley did well as a creepy Freddy.
Eh. He looked very weird (almost like a dog that was burned) and he was just angry. Freddy from the beginning was always smiling and laughing and generally just getting joy from psychologically torturing his victims.
Now, there is one thing the remake could have done to make it stand out. In the movie there is a plotline in which the teens think the parents did the wrong thing by killing Freddy because they don't remember being molested by him. It would have been a great twist if that were true. Freddy being a victim.

>>213600538
I think the modern setting and the way it was filmed didn't help. The original 80s version just looks more dreamlike in general

>>213600550
>Freddy's Dead
Fuck YOU >>213600401

>>213600538
>Agreed but Jackie Earle Haley did well as a creepy Freddy.

>>213600621
>Freddy being a victim.

Alright but then how do you circle the square if that turns out to be true? Freddy is now in the good books and the kids help Freddy get revenge on the actual guy who did it? This would only work if there was one movie unless you want to do an anti-hero Freddy (which, MAYBE, could work) in the sequels

>>213600621
>It would have been a great twist if that were true. Freddy being a victim.
Yeah but then he wouldn't feel much like a villain. I feel like Slashers shouldn't be sympathetic.

>>213600656
>>213600661
I'm trying to save a remake that shouldn't have been made. He's still the bad guy because he's now killing the teenagers.

Freddy vs Jason is the best sequel
you can go from nightmare part 3 directly to Freddy vs Jason. and it works perfectly fine

>>213600709
>Freddy vs Jason is the best sequel
They could make a fortune off more of these right now. England would probably do them and Jason/Leatherface/Michael Myers are just a guy in a mask. Throw in Chucky and Saw as well.

>>213600877
Robert Englund is 78, he's too old to do another Freddy movie, unless he was just voicing him or something

>>213600877
I miss crossover movies. What would be a good one to do now?

>>213600927
CGI Freddy

>>213600250
lot's of great scenes there and the battles were adequate
as a Jason guy the pop when he finally gets his hands on him in reality is satisfying
also the closing swamp shot is probably the coolest Jason has ever looked

>>213601002
I wish Freddy vs Jason vs Ash happened but the comic they made out of the script is decent enough. Basically Freddy uses Jason from death by making him think he's his mom. He has Jason get the necronomicon to bring him back to life and then give himself his dreamworld powers in the real world and Ash has to stop them with some of the people from Freddy vs Jason I think.

>>213601080
that sounds interesting actually

>>213600927
>Robert Englund is 78, he's too old to do another Freddy movie
He would do it. All the fights could be stunt doubles. Just have Englund for the main shots.

>>213601002
>the battles were adequate
They were better than adequate. You got the sense that these 2 immortal creatures were really trying to kill each other.

>>213601135
Right? It was a rights thing that stopped it I think. Freddy vs Jason was hard enough to make, so hard that an entire book was written about it's developmental hell, and adding Evil Dead to the mix made it worse. The franchise, at least at the time, was owned by three separate companies, each owning one of the movies. It was a fiasco.

>>213600440
The character just works better as a child murderer than a child molester. He has a passion for it that’s greater than just getting off and that’s why they can’t just kill him. Child molesters are always just weak faggots who can’t get sex any other way.

>>213601207
corporate greed stopping crossovers because they don't wanna share the profits even when they know it will make hundreds of millions is so stupid

>>213601080
>>213601207
the comic is free on YouTube I think ? it's just 6 issues.
I had them but sold them to someone at a penitentiary lol. I put them on mercari or eBay can't remember. the mailing address was a correctional facility

>>213601309
that's what killed MEN IN BLACK 22 JUMP STREET.
producers wanted more money than the actual budget

>>213601309
Not only that but I believe the issue was mostly who got their licks in and where. Like Freddy can't be too strong or Jason can't be too strong compared to eachother. Shit like that. Protecting the property. There's that scene in Who Framed Roger Rabbit where Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse were on screen together and the only way Disney and WB allowed that to happen was if they had the exact same amount of screentime. It's petty bullshit.

The remake doesn't deserve all the hate it gets.

>>213601540
it's the worst female I ever watched thanks to that awful cunt Rooney mara..what a fucking shit actress

>>213601540
yes it does

>>213601347
it was 6 issues then they did a follow up that was 6 more issues.

>>213601694
I never read them but the stuff in it looked crazy. Freddy becomes president or something?

>>213601944
he also has a sexual relationship with his daughter, Maggie, from Freddy's Dead and she's very much into it

>>213601998
yeah, that was...odd. Like out of the blue wtf odd.

>>213601944
>>213601998
The art is also terribly inconsistent. You can't tell who is supposed to be who half the time

>>213589287 (OP)
I watched this movie in theaters a couple of years ago
one of the greatest, most amazing experiences I ever had.
it was freaking amazing. the music, the sounds, the music was incredible In theaters.
the effects held up really well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noLPhZvcBpw&list=RDnoLPhZvcBpw&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeSuPB_5wr4&list=RDHeSuPB_5wr4&start_radio=1

>>213602530
I thought you were gonna post the Freddy rap

Can't wait for the 4k release later this year

>>213603116
big

The only good Krueger films are the ones without CGI.

>>213596086
Why did he go with the coach from the gay night club to the gym? What was that conversation like?

>>213593420
Based take

>>213600877
Yes, the JigCU idea. I would like to see them do it.

>>213589515
sequel bait was still a newish concept back then, that and shooting/budget constraints

Jumping in late to this gay debate. If the idea is that the monster isn't homosexuality, but the repression thereof, why does the happy ending entail Freddy being defeated and he ends up with the girl...but then it turns out in the final scene, Freddy is still out there? Which side does this bolster? If he at least seemingly beats repression, why does he end up with the girl? What is the metaphor for the ideal, an openly gay life?

>>213589978
Fucking dumb zoomer has never seen a tragedy, a noir, or even a comedy

>>213589287 (OP)
Studio forced final scare/sequel bait. The actual sequels ignore it too.

>>213598366
That's what's fun about Jason the changes are gradual and natural. You can see the series growing. Jason as he's popularly seen doesn't even show up til 3. Freddy came out the gate fully formed and then it was just a scramble to keep him relevant. Doing Freddy without Englund is impossible, but (provided you don't have courts fucking you) you can do anything you want with Jason forever.

I think these same two fags were having an argument about Natural Born Killers today, the dynamic is too similar. I'm starting to think half of the arguments on this site is these same two fags.

>>213603651
It's people who are trying to say something about gay shit collaborating with people who have no interest in that and just want to make money. Same reason there's a sequel hook in NOES the director didn't want but the producer did. Part 2's creative aspirations clash with it's commercial ones and they contradict each other. The messy hodgepodge of the two is what makes so many genre movies so fun.

>>213600550
The one who made the posters was a really good artist. All creepy as hell.

>>213593420
What causes night terrors?

>>213600538
I agree, it's not a popular opinion, but I liked the Remake. It establishes the same relationships, but Freddy is better highlighted ( or highdarkened)

>>213600927
Have Heather Langenkamp play Freddy, but with Robert Englund's voice.

>>213605003
demonic entities

>>213604454
most of the board are bots

>>213600927
I don't see why age matters when Freddy is burned up and not physically impressive, his voice is the most important part.

>>213606258
Because the actor doesn't wanna spend 4+ hours to get makeup done or do any of the physically demanding scenes like running or fighting

>>213589399
>>213589937
I agree 7 is the worst of the originals. Not sure why people still jerk it off. 5 and 6 were much better than I remembered.

>>213607743
The only people who rate 7 highly, only like 1,3, and 7 and think all the other sequels are trash.

>>213589399
Based ratings. Freddy's Revenge (Part 2) is the best one. The scene where Fred gate-crashes the garden party and wrecks the place is fuckin' hilarious; as is the exploding parakeet. I was completely oblivious to the gayness of the picture because I watched it as a young kid, so just grew up with the film's vibe without realising it. I would have been around 28 before the subtext clicked in my mongoloid head. The actress who played Jessie's mother was a milf, too.

>>213600927
Animated movie of Freddy vs Jason vs Ash

>>213589287 (OP)
I think slasher flicks were an outcome of boomer lead poisoning, in terms of just rock-stupid violence.

>>213603116
Enhance!

>>213589515
Seems pretty normal for an 80s horror flick.

>>213606025
sounds like something a bot would say

>>213600352
Kid diddling is not a source of many laughs. Quipping kills meanwhile works because it’s so fantastically done.

>>213589451
It had nothing to do with the sequel or the third one or any of the ones that came after.

>>213597194
Why do I have night terrors about alligators and spiders? Was I molested by alligators and spiders instead of just raised in florida and relentlessly teased about how they would eat me and bite me until my skin rotted off as a child?

>>213591681
No, it was established that he would molest pretty much anyone who would let him, it didn't matter what sex they were, most of the films he is chasing girls as the final boss.

>>213591605
>Don't see how gay people would happily identify with the themes of this or I guess as you say most gay films when it's all about woe is me bullshit
Somehow this little monster became an icon for gays.

>>213600440
>Nancy is supposed be much younger
It wasn't originally set in high school?

>>213600877
Isn't Jason/FtT in IP hell while the various creators and stakeholders are fighting over the rights?

>>213602096
Wasn't one of his origin stories, I think from freddy's dead, that his grandfather raped his mom pregnant after they dropped the whole gangraped nun thing from the third one?

>>213605003
Drinking too much milk before bed.

>>213609417
there will never be another jason film, thats how fucked the situation has become. Its like disney making a hulk movie

>>213609653
if you arent aware the judge ruled fairly, but the way it breaks down is one person owns the IP in America and a company owns the IP internationally. AND then add someone else owns the trademark entirely. 3 landmines to weave just to get to production stage. The IP is effectively over

>>213609653
Its not just films, didn't a video game get pulled too because of the rights?

>>213609695
all dead post 2017. You have to pay 3 different license holders to use anything Jason now. IP is as good as dead. Or commit commerical suicide like that stupid disney movie and name it completely different, hide jason in marketing and release it in US. OR make a friday the 13th movie with NO JASON. There will never be another investment in the tens of millions to navigate this shit show

>>213609875
Strange they’re doing a TV show right now and they’ve been actively developing movies for several years

>>213609910
simply dont believe it will happen. Only netflix would lose money on a film for a service at this point. Not reading anything but producer announcements, which means dick all

>>213609910
strange, youre a liar like most retards online. Direct quote from your in production for years bullshit
>"“I can tell you that a new sequel movie and new sequel game, are at the top of our list. It’s where most of our energy’s going right now. And I can tell you finally we’re in a position to deliver on that. While we’re not officially announcing with our partners today, both are coming. They’re both in the works and they’re both coming.:

the lyin anon Friday the 13th tv show
>This won’t be your typical Friday the 13th installment in which Jason Vorhees dons a hockey mask and chops down a hoard of unsuspecting victims. As the name suggests, the production will center around the camp that was first introduced in the 1980 movie that started the franchise. In it, we’ll meet a young Pam Vorhees, played by Linda Cardellini — you know, the grieving mother who would eventually become the true killer in the first film (sorry for the 45-year-old spoiler). Pam has dreams of becoming a singer, but is forced to abandon her hopeful life of fame and fortune to take care of her special-needs child, Jason. But after the unthinkable happens to Jason at summer camp, Pam goes off the deep end in her quest for blood-soaked vengeance.

>>213589287 (OP)
The premise is this guy can appear in your dreams, so it's to give the audience the uneasy feeling that it might be real on some level. The best horror movie concepts are like this. The kind that have you looking in mirrors afterwards wondering if your reflection is another evil you staring back at you from a negative dimension, or whether saying particular words will actually summon the Devil or whatever the fuck.

>>213609406
She's supposed to be like 16 in the first movie.

>>213609482
No, they kept the origins consistent (if a little convoluted)

Freddy was the son of Amanda Kruger who was raped by the inmates of the asylum (pt 3 and 5)

Freddy lived with a foster father (played by Alice Cooper) who abused him (pt 6)

Freddy got married and had a daughter, Katherine, who grew up and was the one who killed him (pt 6)

and no where was it implied that Freddy and Katherine were on good terms, making the incest relationship in the comics bizarre. It's supposed to be a surprise, because before the reveal, everyone thinks she's on their side, but there's still never an explanation on why or when she switched over.

>>213603313
He did go with the coach. He was just wandering around and would up in the leather bar. It just so happens that the coach frequents that bar and caught him.

>>213610263
didn't

>>213609993
Set photo with Linda as Pamela

>>213611241
Pam and Ralph

>>213611241
>>213611261
fucks sake. who is asking for this?
just give me Jason chopping up half naked bitches.

>>213609993
I am definitely not watching. I'll just watch the first Ft13th movie which is the same shit.