Thread 213590195

>house badguy betrays house goodguy
how could they have known?

>>213590195 (OP)
I'll watch these once someone uses AI to replace Chalamet and the girl with two acceptable actors. Preferably the actors form the 80s film.

>>213590195 (OP)
harkonen didn't betray anyone, their attack on atreides was sanctioned by the emperor and 100% legal

on the contrary the atreides insurgency was 100% illegal, which is why he had to marry irulan to gain legitimacy despite defeating harkonnen+emperor

>>213590195 (OP)
38 years old here

I was a nerd but no one ever liked the kids that loved Dune

never trust baldies
t. norwood 3

>>213590195 (OP)
They knew there would be Harkonnen mischief, what the Atreides didn't anticipate was the emperor being in on it as well

>>213590195 (OP)
they did know, they just couldn't do anything about it

this guy is the biggest fraud retard in the books.

>>213590331
One has to give props to Leto given how well he was playing a very shitty hand. He could well have escaped the trap if the Harkonnens weren't in cahoots with the Emperor to get his Sardaukars on planet so soon, it was a prohibitive expense.

>>213590195 (OP)
They knew the Harkonnen were up to something, what many fail to notice (though it's said in the film multiple times) is that this operation was so insanely expensive that the Harkonnen were basically broke by the time they got Dune back.

The Harkonnen were only a Barony, a relatively minor family compared to the Atreides, they had to leverage so much of their wealth and power just to get Dune back that the only way they were able to remain solvent was by squeezing the planet to an insane degree, brutalizing the locals, extracting as much Spice as possible and trading everything--lives, public goodwill, peace--to expedite it.

The ultimate failure of the Harkonnen wasn't even them being evil, it was that they were simply unaware that the Fremen population was large enough that it could actually threaten Imperial hold on the world by rising up. They thought there were a few thousand of them, not millions.

Personally I always felt this was actually undermined by the Fremen being these super-soldier types, which really made no sense. Desert people aren't good at fighting, they're good at surviving.

>>213590195 (OP)
I'm pretty sure the first or second scene is King Oscar Issac saying "Yep, the emperor fucked us and the albinos are going to pull some shit"
And the albino king openly saying "The emperor is fucking with us so we'll pull some shit. Let's pull some shit."

>>213590195 (OP)
The book itself has the characters say "Yeah, so this is obviously a trap but the Emperor is forcing our hand so" when House Atreides is given rights over Arrakis

>>213590230
>I don't like good actors, I want that autistic loser from Twin Peaks

>>213590337
qrd?

>>213590270
This is true. You had the Star Trek kids (the uber-spergs who all had weird allergies and permission slips to sit out during gym class) and the Star Wars kids (slightly more well adjusted but not as scholastically inclined), and everyone thought Dune was gay and retarded (which it is).

If they refuse the emperor’s wishes, they’re seen to lack honour and will be made an example of. But they know they’re being given a poisoned chalice. They’re very much sent there to die with little they can do about it

>>213591364
Now, now...
You're all gay and retarded

>>213590195 (OP)
FEYD RAUTHA
FEYD RAUTHA
FEYD RAUTHA

>Normniggers don't know about kanly
Read. The. Book.

They did know. Everyone knew. The Atreides were completely aware this was a move intended to provoke a war between them and the Harkonnens. What they didn't expect was for the Emperor to directly intervene and lend a Sardaukar legion to the Harkonnens.

I have no real interest in Dune the book. Should I watch these? They look glacially boring.

>>213591730
You might as well skip to the part where you stare at your phone for two hours.

>>213591730
>They look glacially boring.
fr fr no cap on god?

>>213591730
You sound like a fucking scumbag who nobody likes.

>>213591751
>>213591861
Aw, hurt your feels feels?

How did "house badguy" betray "house goodguy"?

>>213591311
>Chalamet
>Zendaya
>good actors

>>213591730
Nah, the villanueve adaptations are shit. Read the first book, you might like the 2-3 ones after it. Watch lynch for a fun flick that tries really hard and does some stuff great and other stuff not great, and the series if you want more.

>>213590761
>possess satellites that can view every inch of the planet
>the southern-hemisphere is gatekept by an equatorial storm but the actual climate is calm
>satellites would inevitably notice that there is SOME human activity in the southern-hemisphere which would necessitate investigation into how much
>nah bro, it is uninhabitable. just trust me

>>213592067
I like the Lynch version but don't think it's a particularly good movie. I just like all the weirdness and the score. It's a fun bad movie to watch

Should I watch Jodorowski's Dune?

>>213591730
Nice, you made the jeetbots mad.

I also found these visually too boring to sit through.

>>213592096
Absolutely, Lynch was an artist and Dune was an incredibly earnest attempt for all its flaws. And some stuff is still pretty great, just by no means all of it.

>>213592096
>Riding worms while the guitar riffs

>>213591730
well they are boring. it's a series about sand.

>>213592195
Dale knew how to make sand exciting.

>>213590246
My understanding is that it was sanctioned by the emperor and the guild but the emperors involvement needed to be kept secret to avoid the other houses freaking out.

>>213592073
Surveillance satellites were destroyed by the Fremen with the assistance of the Spacing Guild, who the Fremen paid with smuggled spice.

What was the point of even having the shields if they never do anything? I get that it's an extremely lazy excuse to have futuristic technology with medieval fight sequences, but you probably could've just done it without the shield excuse and nobody would care.

>>213591723
Thufer did expect that The Harkonans would spend 80 years of Spice profits to binge a force large enough to completely overwhelm the Duke

>>213592823
Read the source material, retard.

>>213590246
Even if it wasn't sanctioned, Harkonnen and Atreides were in kanly so there's no betrayal involved aside from Yueh.

>>213590337
How much money did they spend coming here?
Shiiiet I don't know man.
What's with the black line on your mouth
I burned my lip with the crack pipe shiiiiet.
These crackers think they can give orders to an Atreides Kang ? Fuck em . Salusa Secundus? More like Salusa Suckundus Dis Dick lmao.

>>213592898
Did not*

>>213592940
Why would I do that? This isn't >>>/lit/

Why did Paul marry Irulan?

>>213593078
Cucked* yes he will

>>213593078
To marry into the emperor's house

>>213590195 (OP)
>arakis is a harsh and desolate land where only the very strongest can survive, where every single day is a struggle
>but also there are literally millions of fremen
?

>>213592978
>Salusa Suckundus Dis Dick lmao

>>213593142
Daily spice orgies

>Princess character is the only offspring of the emperor of the universe
>Princess I rulan'
Bravo, Herbert.

>>213593137
But why?

>>213591340
shove your qrd up your arse zoomer

>>213590195 (OP)
>We need a beautiful, 11/10 actress to portray the desert warrior girl who becomes the hero's love interest
>Sir, our cave divers have already wrangled one of the local night goblins.

>>213590246
The cuck emperor jobbed to Atreides

>>213593251
>Never heard of the concept of marriage alliances or royal hostages
I knew this shithole was psued-central but... goddamn.

>>213590246
Might makes right
The emperor lost to might and only the mighty may rule and those who rule decide what is "legal"

>>213590195 (OP)
House badguy didn't betray house goodguy, the emperor did.
>>213590230
I like your style but you have the wrong pair.
>>213590337
Yeah Thufir was a disappointment. I did like his depiction in DUNC though, the Mentat Trance was a cool touch (although technical wasn't described until the later Frank novels). I wish the second film did more of his plotting against Jessica; even the bit with Gurney didn't have any of that, and that was a big theme of the time when Paul was becoming Maud'Dib among the Fremen, was the Atreides retainers that still lived thought Jessica was the traitor.

>>213593325
>We need a tall blonde woman, green-eyed, a face of patrician beauty, classic in its hauteur, untouched by tears, completely undefeated. Without being told it, Paul knew her — Princess Royal, Bene Gesserit-trained, a face that time vision had shown him in many aspects: Irulan. There's my key, he thought.[7]
>she's already diving through the donut dispensary sir

>>213592022
>Agent Cooper
>What's-her-face
>better actors in any way

>>213593397
My headcanon is that Thufir Hawat's the screaming torture victim in the scene where the Baron's soaking in healing oil

>>213593413
And they gave her alot of Puls lines from the book because DV needed a meme marvel cast.. fucking trash.... DV is faggot that claimed he was going ot be true to the books and all the faggits ate that shit up and he delivered a masterpiece

>>213593413
>donut dispensary
Why do we not have those? Even Winchell's donut shops are becoming more scarce, and Mister Donut shops seem extinct. Only that shitshow Dunkin Donuts and trash-ass Krispy Kreme are around, and they are pathetic. Must be why Cops are so mean nowadays, the donut market has crashed bad in flyover America.

>>213593361
No I've heard of 'em, but they don't really apply. Not in the movie anyway, cause the ending is everybody not giving a fuck and buying into Paul's gambit.
I guess he's technically not married to her yet, he was just using it as a bargaining chip.

>>213593527
>trash-ass Krispy Kreme
I felt so betrayed when I learned Krispy Kreme wasn't run by Kremlings

It's HAR-KO-NEN not HAR-KUH-NIN

>>213592073
spacing guild controls the satellites, they don't want anyone to know they need that much spice that the fremen bribes them with
harknonens have no reason to believe the southern hemisphere is anything but sand and worms

Emperor: Battle for Dune was based.

>>213590270
I remember flipping through the channels and stopping on Dune ‘84 during the Harkonnen scene where the Baron is flying around like a sperg, and Brad Dourif having big stupid eyebrows, and finding the whole thing so simultaneously cringe and repulsive to look at that I avoided the Dune franchise for over 30 years.

>>213592695
>Spacing Guild, who the Fremen paid with smuggled spice.
hmm. the most important world in a galaxy from which we get most important shit that all our business depends on... ok we will not observe it 24/7 for a bribe. Seem reasonable.

>>213590246
Under kanly Paul’s insurgency is perfectly acceptable
What wasn’t acceptable was the Emperor’s involvement with the Harkonnens and the use of his imperial troops on a house that wasn’t in rebellion
Rub two braincells together anon the politics of Dune are quite simple

>>213594131
What made you decide to give Dune a second chance?

>>213594153
Their only business is spice, spacing guild does not give a fuck what is going on with arrakis as long as spice flows.
Actually they know if they try to seize it, it leads to catastrophic events, they cannot take control of arrakis without producing such nexus up ahead in time so they decide it's better to simply let things go their course and keep getting spice.
That these films are complete utter garbage is an entirely different thing

>>213594153
"He who controls the spice controls the universe" the spacing guild could not get the copious amout of spice that they needed without the fremen. So yes they had to do it their way

>>213594153
>hmm.
You're dumb.