Thread 213604963

This mfcker sold his magnum opus to Hollywood, cried about it, but now decided to sell even more unfinished crap for a few million dollars that he won't be around long enough to fully enjoy it, and as a result will forever be known as a fraud hack. Just why?

Because he IS a fraud hack

People in their 100's book holidays for the next year.

>>213604963 (OP)
He's a fat coward his life history is basically crying on his blog about being a fat coward.

>>213604963 (OP)
He made retards to prideful for harry potter read

He is not a hack he is the last bastion of illumination

At this point I'm convinced he just wanted to see if he could get rich selling derivative crap and then if he could get even richer getting Hollywood to waste money adapting it

>>213605020
Nigger, GOT is the next step from Harry Potter. Daenerys is literally Harry with a vagina.

>>213604963 (OP)
My guess is that the TV show ending was actually pretty similar to how he planned to end the books, and everyone's already seen it and pretty much everyone hated it, so he can't find a motivation or a point to spend hours upon hours upon hours upon hours finishing something that has already been spoiled and reviled. At least this way he can sorta just go around pretending that his ending would've been better

>>213605076
The one thing he's definitely stuck on is Daenerys' descent into madness. It's been building up throughout the books, it would make sense if handled correctly, but he can't write it because feminists hated it. They don't care that it fits the theme of "self-righteousness + absolute power = disaster", they see a woman being evil and see it as an attack to the entire gender.

GRRM is a coward (his self-insert is fucking Sam), so he won't do anything until it becomes socially acceptable to hold women accountable for their mistakes. Incidentally, this is what subversion and having yourself beholden to a certain political side gets you. A fine lesson for all aspiring writers, I guess.

>>213605005
exactly. he is so terrified of potential poor reception to the conclusion of asoiaf that he would rather instead just never complete them.

>>213605076
I call bullshit on that desu. His writing has been dragging for 2 books by now. His original plan was to have like 10 books or something. He doesn't even know how to take the characters back in track. I doubt he even has a proper ending.

>>213605101
I thought her heel-turn was theoretically fine, as a plot point, it did make sense, but the way the show handled it was just retarded. So he could definitely improve on it. But he'd still just be writing a slightly better version of something everyone has already seen, it'd be a like a reverse-adaptation at this point, like a novelization of the show. He's old and rich and I honestly don't even really blame him for not wanting to spend the time it'd take to write thousand-page novels when he knows their moment has already passed

>>213605101
I will have you know Daenerys is still fucking around in the east for two entire books. I don't think we'll ever know what happens until Gurm dies and someone reads his scraps.

>>213605117
I thought he was planning two more books and claimed to have one already finished. Two books would roughly make sense for what happened on the show after D&D "ran out of book," with the events of the last season or two written out at a less rushed pace. I'm not an expert on behind-the-scenes stuff but I thought he was at least consulting on the writing of the show through the end, but correct me if I'm wrong

>>213604963 (OP)

He likens himself to Tyrion in the books so he has a very pragmatic/fatalistic view of things while still staying somewhat funnyl/cynical

He understands all his work is essentially meaningless and his stories are like a cheap whore churning tricks , same goes with all modern authors. He made his bag , who really gives a fuck in the grand sceme is probably what he's thinking.

This world is going to shit and he knows it and he spent most of it living in a tiny room romanticizing and writing and pretending to write on that ANCIENT DOS / wordstar bullshit.

He just wants to do side quests now.

>>213605182
Sorry I meant I'd heard he claimed to have one MOSTLY finished, dunno why I typed "already"

>>213605182
He stopped consulting back in S2 i believe. He just gave D&D some notes of his intentions, but who knows, knowing how cheeky this fat fuck is, maybe he wrote them fake bullshit.

is this nigga ever gonna write that next book? I don't want to start reading them if it's never gonna actually conclude

>>213605101
>>213605156
i'm not sure either of these two posters have read any of the books

>>213605185
I think you might be romanticizing George more than he deserves. Remember he worked for Hollywood in the past before he got frustrated by his shortcomings and decided to write le epic fantasy saga, and i believe he once admitted his plan was always to sell out to Hollywood and get rich as a kind of big f you to the industry.

>>213605185
>He understands all his work is essentially meaningless and his stories are like a cheap whore churning tricks , same goes with all modern authors
The fat faggot thinks of himself as the next tolkein and has a massive ego about his work (read his house of the dragon blogposts). Hes just a hack who had a lucky spurt of inspiration between 1996 and 2000 and then never had a good idea since

>>213605272
He just sold a third show to HBO based on another unfinished spin-off (Duncan and Egg), what do you think? Don't even bother.

>>213604963 (OP)
Fat

>>213605185

OR he is in fact secretly finished but is gonna drop it all when he dies. I doubt this though.

My real money is on he painted himself into too many corners for a fat fuck to handle. Lets be fucking real here - nerds that look like george are not some high IQ wizard most of the time. It takes him 10 fucking years to finish a book not because he's marinating / thinking really hard - its cause it takes him 10 bloody years just to think through all the bullshit he wrote - literally intel pentium CPU vs ryzen threadripper Tolkien shitting out LOTR in just 12 years.

>>213605276
I read the first three a WHILE ago, like years before they made the show. At this point I was mostly referring to what happened on the show, re: Daenerys going crazy. It fit her character arc but they did not execute it well at all

Reminder that GOT is basically 90% real world britbong history (War of the Roses) with a bunch of RPG sprinkled in. ChatGPT could probably do it.

>>213605371
>dunk and egg
That shit is gonna be so boring and pointless holy shit

>>213605329
He also made retcons in HOTD. He's George RR Lucas at this point.

>>213605454
> retcons in HOTD

such as?

>>213605065
Anon I can read I know, deceiving books don't trigger me

>>213605618
>Black Targaryens
>Progressive Targaryen queen creating feminist laws and a bunch of other crap
>The lightbringer prophecy inscribed in the dagger

>>213605676
Oh I thought you meant in the book itself. I don't think he wrote anything for the show and has been bitching about it (not the raceswapping though since he's a cuck)

>>213605741
Apart from the Black Targs he wrote the other stuff himself. He's working more than he ever did in GOT. Dude has lost it.

>>213604963 (OP)
>fraud hack

Do you know what either of those words mean?
He'll be remembered as a great author. The stupid TV show will always eclipse the books and his other written works, but that's how it is these days when people are stupid. Like you, OP.

>>213605792
>He'll be remembered as a great author.

hi George, how's the book coming along?

>>213605385
His weight and looks have nothing to do with his work output. J.D. Salinger was thin as a rail and he quit writing decades before his death.
You're a fucking retard. And your image describes your relationship situation.

>>213605760
>he wrote the other stuff himself.

I read the original short story the show was based on and don't remember anything feminist about it or anything about lightbringer.

I don't even like GRRM but I'm pretty sure everything woke was added by HBO.

>>213605741
Because a "non-cuck" would be upset that they weren't keeping it white?
You're an ignorant deplorable, anon. Sorry you came from a broken home and can't get pussy.

>>213605792
>He'll be remembered as a great author

>>213605810
Oh, I don't write much anymore. I'm too busy defending myself here on the /tv/ board of 4chan. I'm loaded and have cool friends and the finest weed, but I choose to keep my eye out here and pretend to be a fan.
Keep reading, my friend!

all of you are only posting because you love him and feel cheated for more

>>213605852
If GRRM wasn't a cuck he'd definitely be angry about his violet eyed light haired pseudo-aryan master race being turned into nogs.

>>213605840
The feminist stuff with queen Rhaenyra was in the book he wrote before the show. The dagger prophecy in the hilt has been confirmed to be his writing.

>>213605852
>He liked the nigger velaryons
Get a load of this cuck faggot

>>213605894
I mean the Targs are literally a ripoff of Elric Stormbringer and the Melnibonean race. They are supposed to be inhumanly white aliens.

>>213605905
I don't remember anything feminist though. I remember there being the whole controversy over recognizing a female heir, but that actually happened in the middle ages.

>>213605840
>the libertine progressive feminist faction gets all the cool houses and memorable moments and shit on the mysoginist religious conservatives in humiliating faction
The dance of the dragons in the books is peak libcuck revenge fantasy retardation

>>213604963 (OP)
At best he was always just a middling author. He didn't write anything better than what was being put out by Brooks, Eddings, Sanderson, Goodkind, Feist, Jordan or any of his other contemporaries. It was pure happenstance and luck that HBO devoted enough of a budget to the first few seasons of Game of Thrones to make it a success. He knows good and well but for the grace of God, his show could've been Legend of the Seeker, the Wheel of Time, the Shannara Chronicles, or any of the other failures.

But now the show is over and there's a light being shined on his work. People were disappointed by the ending of the series and want to see what he comes up with. But again, he's absolutely average at best and knows he can't meet expectations. And so... why even try? He's got the money. He's living the life. Fuck the fans. Anything he releases now can only hurt his legacy.

>>213605991
I read a lot of fantasyslop back in the day, and his first three books at least were a cut or two above most of the competition

MISERABLE PRESUMPTUOUS NO TALENT
YOURE NO ARTIST

>>213604963 (OP)
George languished for decades in relative obscurity, making a meagre living writing short stories of varying quality, churning out the occasional novel that would inevitably flop. He sought refuge among television writer's rooms, and found the techniques to create long running, soap opera -esque stories with constant cliffhangers, and applies this to ASOIAF. He thought he'd found a way to whittle away the time until his eventual retirement in obscurity and poverty, like all other writers who don't ever really make it.
Then HBO picked up his series and he made BANK. For the first time in his life he had more money than he really needed, he was earning each month more than he'd earned the average year for the entirety of his career. He no longer had to worry about paying bills, he no longer had to keep to strict deadlines to keep afloat.
So he just... stopped writing. Selling to Hollywood, selling ANYTHING to Hollywood, made BANK in ways that writing never did. He got treated like a celebrity all of a sudden. He got to hang out with other celebrities. He got put his hands on young starlets, when he'd spent his entire life as a fat hairy nerd whom most women wouldn't dignify to even notice if he approached them.
Why would he ever go back to the old ways, the bad days, the the imaginary lays?

>>213605076
This. Not finishing he can always say, and his followers will always say, W-Well MY ending was going to b-be diff-f-f-ferent! >:)

>>213605894
>>213605906
You don't realize that regular people don't think like you. They don't typically think about black people and jews and whatever else you types are so obsessed with. The majority of people are not bigot schizos like you.

>>213605991
The reason GOT went big is because the first two books are light on the fantasy and heavy on the historical political drama, and that's what HBO saw potential in and what normies liked about it. All the actual weird high brown fantasy aspects like warging, meisters, red wizards, Euron and Lady Stoneheart had to be toned down for the show, and the next books are supposed to go 100% into magic.

>>213606134
Ok well I’m in the right and those other guys are faggots. Fuck niggers and kikes, heil Hitler

>>213606027
I disagree. A Game of Thrones was what? The 90s? So it would've been up against the Farseer Trilogy, Wheel of Time series, the Heritage of Shannara series, the Coldfire Trilogy, the Harry Potter series, the Sword of Truth series, the Serpentwar Saga, and a bunch of others continuing from the 80s and 70s. While individual taste may vary, he was not a particular standout in that crowd.

>>213605185
Hey George it’s you, finish the books you coward

>>213605076
You've floated this theory before and I don't buy it. They ran out of books quickly and he wasn't known for planning things out far ahead. I didn't think the turns the show took made sense AT ALL as he would've written it. I don't think he had more than the makings of the next novel in mind. And he's also publicly stated that his endings are going a completely different direction, so you're not just speculating, you're accusing him of being dishonest and assuming you know better. That's retarded. I'm going to take him at his word.

>>213606198
Dany goes mad and is killed and bran becomes king are 100% George. The rest has some wiggle room

>>213605388
He goes off on tangents in the next two books so a lot of it wasn't adapted in the TV show at all
but this isn't good for finishing the story

and dany really hasn't done much, i don't think he really started her targaryen madness much yet

>>213606160
Out of those, I read the Farseer Trilogy and a lot of Sword of Truth (though I didn't finish that series, I think Naked Empire was the last I read, he was still releasing books after I passed out of the phase of reading that much)

I think Song of Ice and Fire was better than either of them, certainly better than Sword of Truth. You could make a case for the Farseer Trilogy, I think the actual quality of the writing was better and I did like those books a lot. But I think Martin's storytelling was much better and the plotting was richer and more engaging.

Reminder that Preston Jacobs is right about everything.

>>213606160
Oh and obviously I read Harry Potter too, and Martin clears Rowling easily as well. Different audiences, though, Harry Potter was great when I was younger

>>213606027
Read the Tad Williams trilogy, fatso ripped off half of the ideas in as soi af from that. The other half he ripped from historical fiction like I, Claudius. Only thing he adds that is his own is le subverted expectations, which make the book impossible to finish for the sake of cheap shocks.

>>213606320
Tad Williams is a champ, he just keeps going year after year and a lot of his books are doorstoppers

>>213606260
Like I said, individual tastes. But again, he wasn't doing anything unique or special. I'd argue the Farseer Trilogy was doing much better character-driven fantasy and world building. If we're talking epic scope and massive casts, the Wheel of Time beats him out easily. In just pure unique fantasy, Friedman's saga stands head and shoulders above his. Belief-based science fiction fantasy horror? And hell, Harry Potter just plain reached a broader audience and was better at drawing new readers in. I'd even make the argument that lowbrow smut was being done far better by Goodkind.

Martin can be your favorite, that's fair. But he wasn't doing anything better or more unique than anyone else. At best, he was mid of the pack.

>>213606480
ASOIAF is more like kid's first dark fantasy so you would have to compare it to stuff like The Black Company and Malazan, but yes i would say that as a fantasy in general ASOIAF is pretty average. Most of the stuff is ripped straight out of Stormbringer or Lovecraft (Targs, Asshai, Ironborn lore, and the rest is ripped from Martin's own sci-fi crap and Dune (Bran's entire arc), for ffs sake the guy literally has Carcosa in his universe. https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Carcosa

>>213606480
literally only thing fatty does is "subvert expectations" ie set up a typical fantasy trope then turn it into a bloodbath instead
unfortunately while those kind of shock tactics might impress in the first half of a story, in the latter half they will only lead to audience dissatisfaction

>>213604963 (OP)
He doesn't know what to do with the others. Just having them be mindless evil monsters doesn't sound like his style but that's the only thing that makes sense.

>>213606305
>Martin clears Rowling easily as well.
Nah, at least Rowling actually remembers what story she's telling and delivers on her setup.
If gurm had done Harry Potter, it would still be on book , with Voldemort barely on screen yett, Harry a secondary character in his own book and half a dozen subplots in other wizard schools

>>213606701
But they aren't? Book Others aren't the same as show Others. And heck, even in the show they had the baby buying deal with Craster, a display of intelligence that D&D just decided to ignore.

>>213606751
Martin wrote plenty of other novels than ASOIAF and had no trouble finishing their stories.
Well, except maybe Dying of the Light, since that one ends so open it can't really be said to end at all, it just stops.

>>213606790
ASOIAF is his first real fantasy epic tho. He never wrote anything even close to it in sheer page numbers before.

>>213606944
True enough.

>still working on Winds...
>yep, Winds...
>blaah blaah blaaaah btw Winds is coming

Fatty knows that no one cares about his other projects or opinions aside from ASOIAF. And yet he still won't finish it.

>>213604986
I thought he was a hack fraud

>>213604963 (OP)
Almost all fantasy writers are like this. They create a world and a story that they have no long-term plans for and write as many books as they can until they get bored or run out of excuses to finish it.

>>213604963 (OP)
he's a boomer.
explains everything really.

>>213604963 (OP)
Reminder that throughout the entirety of Game of Thrones that Martin has never ever publicly thrown any shade at it, but House of the Sissies S2 was so bad that he publicly smeared its story and called it shit and spoiled future events.

But of course it's probably never motivated him to actually start writing again.

>>213604963 (OP)
Dan Simmons said that this was his plan all along. The video was scrubbed from the internet, but you can still find people discussing it. GURM said:
>If I were really cynical I would start some medieval sword and sorcery thing, say it's a trilogy, then keep writing it for the rest of my life.
Turns out he didn't have to continue to write it and sting us along with no end in sight. Hollywood would just end up giving him money for nothing. Just according to keikaku.

>>213607816
didn't he delete the blogpost later?

>>213605385
The first three ASOIAF books were written in nine years (with many side projects, including a TV show), and are approx three times the length of LotR

>>213608080
Jesus Christ it all makes sense now

>>213606097
He's a double-income no kids boomer who spent ten years as a TV producer: he's been rich since the 90's
Plus ASOIAF were bestsellers for 15 years before the HBO deal: he hasn't needed the money in a long time
Left to his own devices, not needing to work anymore, what would he do? He would do what he did, which is write ASOIAF

LOATHSOME DUNG EATER

>>213606320
>Read the Tad Williams trilogy, fatso ripped off half of the ideas in as soi af from that
Yeah Tad Williams invented
>this boy is secretly the king

>>213608242
You haven't read MST and you haven't read ASOIAF. You're not cool or clever, you're cringe.

>>213608251
I've read both and formulated my own opinion, rather than parroting things I read online

>>213604963 (OP)
He had talent and sold out, something you aimless, zero value losers in this thread wish you could do

>>213608261
And yet you chose to pick an element that has absolutely nothing to do with the obvious points of comparison. Curious!

>>213607816
this blogpost was fucking retarded though. Complaining about them not including some nobody character when. HOTD is already struggling with a bloated cast

>>213604963 (OP)
He’s a fat hippie boomer. You could not find a more nihilistic person on the planet.

gotta feel bad for the guy. Whole live writing books and only gets all the fame and recognition for a series right and the back end of his life. Dudes gonna go to the grave and never finish his legacy. Thats gotta suck balls desu

Do you ever feel like we only have a finite amount of creativity in us? Like the best we can hope for is to shit out something half decent and ride that reputation boost for the rest of our lives because we never released anything more to disprove it?

>>213608242
>>213608261
There is a fuck lot more gurm rips off from MST than just that you disingenous cunt. The season, the Others, the geernal story structure. Even minor shit like character names and the Hounds helmet. Gurm is a hack and you don't know what you are talking about

>>213608305
He very clearly doesn't give a shit, anyone who thinks otherwise is addled by PSI

>>213608316
There are not too many people who can create more than one true masterwork. The only way to do it consistently is to take 15 years per book like William Gaddis did, but then your body of work will be tiny.

>>213608346
I think he definitely cares at some level. However its been so long now that it probably isn't such a big deal for him.

>>213605823
Found the fat fuck. Don't eat so much and exercise more often, your life doesn't have to be like this

>>213608279
>>213608333
I chose to be pithy, the point stands if we waste our time going thru the books page by page. MST is terribly cliched, as is ASOIAF, as is every other fantasy novel. It's retarded/autistic to say he must've been swiping things from one such particular; but now that someone's said it, every other brainless faggot online repeats it to try to sound clever

My theory is there's a lawsuit between him and the publisher, it's in mediation or arbitration and the parties are bound by NDAs
Something similar happened to Tool and delayed an album for a long time
Plus he's slowing down in old age, plus he's writing something very difficult and ambitious

Gentle reminder that there is no TWOW. Every sample chapter that got released was just something that was cut from either AFFC or ADWD.

>>213608468
Because AFFC and ADWD were forced out early by the publishers, hence the lawsuit theory >>213608436

>>213605076
Given he wrote literally nothing after dance, I doubt that was the reason he stagnated.
If he had seen how hated the ending was and been disheartened, he’d have more to show for it than sample chapters that turned out to be cut from Dance

>>213608419
>but now that someone's said it
Yeah, George. George said it. Why is this the hill of all hills you're choosing to die on?

>>213607816
>HotD is shit
True, but so was F&B, especially Dance.

>>213608282
The cast is like ten of people of any relevance. There were may more character is S1 GoT and everybody followed along just fine, even as more characters got added as the story progressed. Condal and Hess are just bad at writing and have no foresight.

>>213608563
Thank you. It really is insane that gurm and his fanboys have the gall to complain the HOTD 'ruined' his half assed lore book that was only ever released to be a spinoff TV series anyway.
Gurm pretyy clearly just scribbled some notes riffing on English history then handed it to his underlings to edit into a fake history book
>Oh but what about all the bit where you've just written ??? George?
>idk just say "sources differ" or some other hand wavey bullshit

>>213606264
george and preston is a text book example of never meet your heroes

>>213608735
>GURM gives an insane advantage to Nyra, somehow it's still a struggle
>most of her allies have no reason to side with her, especially Velaryons who kept getting fucked by her over and over again
>infinite, respawning Riverland armies
>GURM forgets an entire Stormlands army, kills them off because it was rainy, apparently, never mind that the only two things established about that region is that they are extremely martial, and that their weather is always ass

>>213608282
>Complaining about them not including some nobody character when. HOTD is already struggling with a bloated cast
Brainlet detected. Change begets change in storytelling. Ripples become waves that can become tsunamis. The removal of Maelor from the story isn't an issue because the cast is smaller, the issue is that Maelor's existence and death is what is supposed to set off a chain of events that are very important for the story later on. And whenever TV showrunners try to come up with some alternate method of ensuring this chain of events make sense, it ends up being worse 9/10 times and ends up warping the story and characters into something it was never supposed to be.

Maelor existing and dying is what prompts Haelena to kill herself, and it's what causes the mob in the capital to turn against Rhaenyra - because she is suspected of killing a beloved royal princess and seems to be a baby-killer twice over. Rhaenyra being chased out like this is later what leads to her and. Now in the show why the hell would Haelena off herself when she doesn't even have another son and when she isn't emotionally moved by any deaths in her family? Any reason the showrunners are going to come up with is undoubtedly going to be way more retarded.

>>213608881
And if you want proof that I'm right just look at what the showrunners have come up with to replace the original motivation: the prophecy nonsense, which is universally considered to be one of the worst parts of the show.

>>213608881
>>213608915
did not read past first line
gurm is a retard, and you are an even bigger retard for hanging on a retard's every word

he needs to be locked up and only allowed to be fed for each page he completes.
he'd finish the books real quick then.

Just took a shit.

>>213606217
Even though the show left out half the context that would make those events make sense
>left out the blackfyre pretender, who dany will have to crush, becoming seen as a conquering tyrant before she even reaches king's landing
>cersei will still be clinging to the throne despite being totally mental; dany will probably burn her out of the sept and in doing so set off the wildfyre, causing the city to be burned and her to be cast in history forever as a mad targ psychopath
>bran becoming king might really mean any of the following:
>1) bran becomes king, he's all-powerful and apparently a nice guy - good ending (show version)
>2) bran becomes king, he's all-powerful but not a nice guy - neutral ending
>3) "bran" becomes king, but he's really an avatar of bloodraven / the old gods, who are probably bad - bad ending 1
>4) "somebody" becomes king, but he's really an avatar of bran / bloodraven / old gods, who are probably bad - bad ending 2

>>213609277
>none of those things remotely address what people actually like disliked about the show ending.
The bloat of subplots and extra characters because gurm has a mater plan to pull off the ending, they are there because he's lazy and undisciplined, and would rather start something new than finish what he's already started

the biggest lie was GRRM saying DnD guessed the plot. No, GRRM was about to retire and panicking. Goldman Sachs nepo baby comes knocking and sells him on adapting UP TO the red wedding. DnD clearly have no intention or interest in adapting anything post red wedding. Fast forward end of first season and Sean's decapitation sets off a firestorm of excitment. As HBO has said openly, there was never an end point directive given. So read the tea leaves, DnD get career boxed in to GoT, no way you continuing in hollywood abandoning a cash cow like GoT for a player like WB.
Now the Disney rumors make a little more sense. However i believe during the years of DCU, GoT etc. Disney deployed corporate espionage to harm their products. My evidence is the fact DnD will never produce a Star Wars film and the entire background of JJ and his wife rabitt hole

>>213609824
What's funny is that they fucked up the red wedding, by failing to properly adapt both Robb and Cat, all the while giving them low screen time. Not having any of his bannermen who were casualties being named and given personalities also sucked.
The directing was bad too.
>sidesteps into the frame to stab robb
>sidesteps out
>sidesteps to slit cat's throat
>sidesteps out
Also, the most gut-wrenching part of the whole ordeal for me was Cat losing her mind. Making her catatonic and focusing the tragedy on their shitty OC undercut the effect imo.

>>213604963 (OP)
To be fair they took a big fucking dump on his work.
So bad that its basically tainted forever.
You also got no freedon of writing anymore because you are constantly comparing it to the show - one way or another.
They basically raped his baby in exchange for money.

>>213610000
>failing to properly adapt both Robb and Cat
100% correct, checked too. Its the crux of my theory. Theres no nuance in Cat and the vital jaime/stoneheart thread. So to me, they skirted Rob for obvious reasons, kept Cat as the worried overly loving mother to drill home that murder. I agree i think the cracks start to show end of s03, so4 in direction and set design especially. Everything post red wedding, while circumstantial, just leads me to believe the game plan fully fleshed out, written well, was up to red wedding. Hindsight is always 20/20, but lord forgive me, those kids got ugly as hell. Wouldnt have hurt the show to take 2 years off after Red wedding to flesh out the rest

Also, pure speculation but the ending DnD showed is only correct for a few characters.
>Danny, she is absolutely the overarching villain in the series
>Bran does become ruler (but its from the cave)
>Sansa arch has been groomed to be the most compassionate leader, conncted with common folk and trained by the best. She is the ultimate victor in GoT

The rest is either semi true or completely made up. LF is going to die but his plan will come to fruition, meaning installing the stark daughter. Varys will fail bc griff, while winning, will be destroyed by mad danny. Euron will provide the ultimate battle climax however, because the Wights are likely just a weapon and not a sentient species, but the show really fucked that

>>213609824
>background of JJ and his wife rabitt hole
?

>>213610209
stfu you subhuman retard
DnD had week long conversations with grrm about the show endin
You have watched some Youtube theory vidoes and are trying to pass them off as your own insight
Show ending is the only ending there will ever be, no one cares about your dumb fanfiction

>>213610153
Agreed except in hindsight the fuckups were present in s02 and probably s01 too
>littlefinger at harrenhal
>talisa
We just wrote it off at the time because we thought it was going somewhere
Worth pointing out that these dips in quality are as nothing to the drop starting s5

>>213610275
Harrenhall is off the table?

>>213608551
I'm not dying on a hill, I'm having a conversation on an internet forum.
>George Martin admitted to copying MST
Why would you lie like that? He said he liked it, was inspired by it or whatever

I don't recall what he said but I'm pretty sure his actual remarks were a backhanded compliment, my theory: to the extent he was inspired by MST, he was inspired to write something that lived up to its promise - which was most assuredly not MST itself

Do you recall the MST foreword?

>>213610297
They have Littlefinger at Harrenhal, in the same room as Arya, whom he should recognise
The actors play it like Littlefinger maybe recognises her and maybe doesn't, because D&D obviously hadn't anticipated that problem and figured they'd leave themselves the option to fix it later (they didn't)

>>213605076
The show is it's own canon. It omitted too much from the books. The shows ending has nothing to do with anything.

>>213610209
shut up ahmed, i started reading this series before you were born or on hbo nigger. The reason Grrm can not finish the book is bringing Marwyn to Danny. If he had the balls to kill danny in meereen like he should i wouldnt have to listen to your peckerwood response

>>213610262
250M deal with Warnermedia, owner of WB. Basically dealt with ATT top of the media food chain.

>>213610275
talisa, shouldve known then. Isnt this where Grrm walked off too. I recall at the time the rumor being chosing not to adapt Lady Stoneheart

>>213610300
>e was inspired to write something that lived up to its promise
Well he failed spectacularly at that, didn't he?

>>213608215
He was a writer for Beauty and the Beast
It was a CBS show
he made a living off it, but he wasnt rich
His ASOIaF books were best sellers, and he made a lot of money off them, but he wasnt rich, he was niche
HBO is what made him a celebrity and RICH

>>213610275
I was willing to forgive the little deviations and flaws until the absolute abortion that was the Dorne storyline.

>>213604963 (OP)
>his mfcker sold his magnum opus to Hollywood
That was his first and biggest problem. He should've had discipline and just wrote the books in a shed or in an attic or something. He let distractions fuck over what could've been a lasting legacy and just became another Douglas Adams.

>>213610418
anon, he sold the rights because he had already determined he wasnt going to finish asoiad in 2010. Are you familiar with the tragic lore that is the decision with Dance and Feast? There hasnt been a page released to the public that was written in close to 20 years

>>213610321
The books crashed and burned 20 years ago because of the bloat of subplots. Show ending is the only one you're getting
>>213610367
gurm didn't walk away from shit. He was never anything more than a glorified consultant. The showrunners stopped letting him put his name on an episode as a writer becaue they wanted to get on with writing winds

>>213610406
Dorne is if anything worse in the books. It's like if halfway through Harry Potter, Rowling had suddenly introduced a POV from Hufflepuff, that has basically nothing to do with the wider plot and introduces a bunch of lame tryhard characters who fuck all.

>>213606134
Theyre a clan of eugenic racists that commit incest
Yes, black targs are incredibly lore breaking and offputting
You dumb fucking retard

>>213604963 (OP)
The TV show is genuinely better than his books.

>>213610454
>they wanted to get on with writing winds
kek, i hope it was awkward as hell when they told him.

>>213610483
thats because dorne was entirely made up to fix problems grrm created in storm of swords iirc. Funny you mention that, there was a recent quote of grrm questioning himself if he should have done that with Oakheart. I will give it to him though, if he lands what he built in game of thrones, clash of kings, storm of swords, he absolutely is in the convo with Tolkein

>>213610502
poppycock, GoT season1 is regarded as some of the best Tv has to offer and its a very faithful adaptation, down to old nan explaining the entire thread in the first season. Only Feast and Dance are weak, and even then, us Jaime Chads like Feast for that

>>213604963 (OP)
he's given up on his pride and doesn't care about things like legacy anymore. now he's all about ensuring the family he leaves behind is well off.

>>213610502
This.
GoT is an ambitious and groundbreaking series that somewhat fumbled the landing
ASoIaF is a complete mess that promises everything and delivers almost nothing

>>213610599
shut up david, grrm blogging about his GERD is more relevant then both you butt pirates

>>213610539
>Feast and Dance
I liked these books much more on my second time reading the series. The only parts I didn't particularly like were the Dany chapters.

>>213610656
gurm is a pathetic mewling embarrassment. Only dumb ass redditors are still worshipping this senile boomer

>>213605852
What does this have to do with getting pussy?

>>213604963 (OP)
Spend 90% of your life struggling to barely make ends meet (you know, the regular writer life) and then suddenly someone drops A TON of money for your idea (read: soul).
You're never gonna have economic issues again. You'll be a rockstar. You will spend the rest of your life doing basically nothing and people will still suck up to you, besides some absolute retards on the Internet whom you will never see again because they would have to leave their mom's basement for that to happen.
Yeah, 90% of people would do it. Hell, 95%, and I'm being generous.
Does it suck balls? Yes. Do I understand why the old fart did it? Also yes.

>>213611365
Rowling, King and Benard Cornwell had already made a fuck you money, but still finished their projects and went on to new ones. Those are just the most obvious examples that pop into my head.
Gurm is justa lazy fat piece of shit, who deserves all the hate he gets

>>213605076
I'd like to believe this but given how much was cut and changed from the books its basically its own seperate canon. The real reason is much less sexy and that he wrote himself into a corner with the Mereen plot and even worse wrote himself into a corner with the Winterfell plot. Basically so many characters are converging in single locations he doesn't know who the fuck to use for the POV and how to effectively communicate key plot points in a way without the characters seeming like their omniscient or acting out of character.

hilarious that bookcucks still worship this fat fuck, when he's basically told them they're incels and he doesn't give a fuck about them

>>213610702
Dany chapters turn into an absolute slog once she gets to Mereen. All the Jon amd Jamie chapters are peak writing

Also, GRRM is a pedophile.
>>213611768
Dany is a good character, but her supportive cast is extremely forgettable, she can't carry the plot alone.
Jon's chapters are good, especially his bants with Stannis, but some fat should have been trimmed. 13 chapters is just too much.

There’s another timeline where all the books are made, and every one was as good as Storm

He just needs to finish folding it into the Thousand World mythos, like he was always going to, and have the Hrangans or the Fyndii swoop in and kill everyone.

>>213610367
>250M deal with Warnermedia, owner of WB. Basically dealt with ATT top of the media food chain.
what's that got to do with anything?
>>213610391
He succeeded beyond all expectation, however most readers have been significantly filtered. He may fear a backlash when they realised how thoroughly they've been bamboozled.
>>213610396
He was a writer and producer on several TV shows for ten years, and lives in Santa Fe, and has no kids: his real estate investments alone ought to have given him a comfy retirement, i.e., ought to have made it so he doesn't need to do anything else besides write - and it did - and he did
HBO made him extremely rich, but he already didn't need to take any day jobs
Also he was also a celebrity within his own little world of science fiction fandom, which is what's really important to him
>>213610483
Filtered

Does he have children to manage his estate? Once both he and his wife are dead, without someone to hold the rights, publishers are definitely going to have someone else finish it. Too much money to leave on the table.

>>213612722
No kids, don't think he has a wife either? Does he?

>>213612722
>>213612799
Married, no kids
Has nieces/nephews though

He’s unironically gotten even more mad over house of the dragon. GOT was based on unfinished books so I think GRRM gave them some leeway. HOTD is based on finished books. And they fucked it up. Purposely.

His estate will probably be inherited by Worldcon and an anti-Trump PAC

>>213612818
GRRM.

>>213612693
reminder that while you are bootlicking this fat failure, he holds you in nothing but contempt see>>213611623

>>213612822
F&B is not fucking finished, it's a gloried outline

>>213612910
The vast majority of Tolkien's work has been published posthumously in an unfinished state so this feels a little odd

>>213612722
>Too much money to leave on the table.
Most of the book sales happened when the show was at its peak.
Despite what the internet would have you believe, the books are a shadow of the show IRL

>>213612955
He still finished LOTR dumbass

>>213612955
Not his magnum opus. Besides he didn't write the silmarillion with an intention of it being published. Just a fun collection of history for himself

>>213604963 (OP)
I've turned on the books as well at this point.

>>213613007
GRRM finished more novels prior to ASOIAF than Tolkien wrote in his whole life so what are you even trying to say with this?
>>213613012
Dude. You don't know shit about Tolkien. Lord of the Rings wasn't his magnum opus. You don't even know what "magnum opus" means. The Silmarillion and the whole mythor and history of Middle-Earth and the made up languages like quenya were his life's work, Lord of the Rings was just a sequel to the Hobbit he cooked up for a laugh.

>>213613060
>GRRM finished more novels
All garbage, no one cares
>muh mangum ops
stop trying to sound clever you subhuman retard

>>213613134
You said it first, not me

>>213604986
/thread

>>213613169
NTA but you kept repeating it as it's some profound title that must be rigorously defined and gatekept

>>213613060
There's absolutely no story in the world he created that he spent more time and effort on than LOTR

>>213604963 (OP)
This cunt makes me respect JK Rowling for finishing het gay books even though she got mad cash for the movies.

>>213605101
>muh feminists

>>213613060
Oh yeah you're right, people totally remember Tolkien as a hack that couldn't complete his most popular series because he only had a few short stories about Beren and Luthien from the 1st age instead of a 1000 page published book. Martin bootlickers are a special breed of retard

Tbh ASOIAF isn't even a very good allegory of actual historical events or medieval politics.
It's incredibly dumbed down, all titles are reduced to Lords and High Lords, basically everybody speaks the same language on a continent the size of South America, local judicial systems seem entirely standardized.
The big one that was kind of rectified in the last book with the introduction of the High Sparrow was the lack of the Churchs influence in politics, which if your taking inspiration from medieval Europe is a bit of an oversight.

>>213613224
Factually incorrect. He wrote many of the stories set in the First Age over and over before, during and after Lord of the Rings and some of them exist not only in prose but also verse format.

>>213613341
Tolkien is a better writer than Martin could ever hope to be and has had an impact on the world Maritn will never be able to match, don't get me wrong. But you're still saying stupid shit.

>have to actually legitimately wait for something
>not some babby tier 4-8 years for a movie sequel shit but rather decades
>piss and shit yourself I WANT IT NAO I WANT IT NAO
you don't deserve the sequel tbqh YOU DESERVE MORE HOLLYSLOP

>>213613396
>HOLLYSLOP
No Mr. King please, not another book about Holly! Noooo

>>213613342
Also Martin seems to think Medieval Troop Levies were the same thing as a draft, they were not.

>>213613396
>>have to actually legitimately wait for something
Only subhuman gurm bootlickers are still waiting.
Those of us with an IQ over 70 realised he was never finishing when he got overtaken by the show

>>213611623
Lmao the guy is writing about the new year in March.

Can't make this shit up

>>213613473
Gurm and hsi fanboys always try to make out that the broken man speech is some brilliant piece of prose on le horrors of war
It just reminds me of picrel scene

>>213604963 (OP)
The narrative has now shifted from "Well, he's old, he just wants to enjoy the time he has left and take it easy" to "Wow, he really is a lazy and whiny boomer".

>>213613657
I don't think he even describes battles properly.
He could have had the Infantry Revolution take place during this time to solidify the period as transformative, "the consequences will never be the same" but he's a fat retard.

>>213605792
If he does not complete, his name is shite forever.

>>213613698
I gave up on the books being finsihed 10 years ago, and I was ok with it.
What makes me hate him is the petulant entitlement, and the way he always makes out like he's responsible for everything good about the shows, while everything bad is scapegoated on the show-runners

>>213605792
>fraud: a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities
>hack: a writer or journalist producing dull, unoriginal work.
Sounds about right

>>213613748
I think the return of magic, dragons, and the Others is already a pretty big watershed moment, but of course in the show these ended up being just so much hot air, and we'll never get the novels where they make their full appearance in Westeros

>>213613952
It's thematic.
Should have had guns too.

>>213614005
I think George was already at the end of his rope regarding the worldbuilding, he couldn't have managed to put in the military revolutions of the 15th century without screwing up the setting completely. You already have people coping about the lack of progress or widespread use of wildfire in the setting by building up some conspiracy theory involving the maesters. Now imagine if the Vale suddenly showed up in tercios flanked by culverines, and the fat man could only explain it by saying that they have iron mines or something.

>>213605101
Why would she start killing people randomly for no material gain after defeating the Others in act three of the story?

>>213612880
>muh bootlicking
Reminder that your sass means nothing to him either, and unlike me, you care

>>213614325
I think he shot himself in the foot a little by crowing about his "realism"
The books aren't realistic at all, he doesn't know shit
The Wall is 700ft high, and when he saw a 200ft high wall built for the show, he told them it was too big - he had no idea how high 700ft was and didn't check
This isn't a problem at all because the books aren't supposed to be realistic, even if Martin thinks otherwise. "Realism" in his mind is just a buzzword that you're supposed to claim

>>213614420
anon you just wrote fucking essay addressing several different anons whiteknighting the fat fuck. It is too late to try and pull out "erm I dont aksually care" card
Now put that tongue to a it's proper use. Mr Gurm has a date with Sahe's actress tonight and expects his boots to be extra shiny

>>213614464
>I think he shot himself in the foot a little by crowing about his "realism"
Absolutely, he never even discussed the 7 Kingdoms Tax policy.

>>213614628
That's cause he has no idea how medieval economies worked. He just wanted to act like his world is more "serious" than LOTR. The funny thing is, Tolkien probably had a better understanding of Aragorns tax policy than Martin did of the 7 kingdoms

>>213614737
Medieval taxation was such an enormous pain in the ass that if a local lord had some alternate means of income like a toll road or a mine he would just waive taxes on certain peasants if they lived inconveniently far away.
What are you gonna do, shake down the swamp people for their eels?

>>213614799
That just occurs to me that that's a bad example, people in Eastanglia and Cornwall did pay taxes in eels.
I'm thinking more Alpine people

>>213605076
The explanation is much simpler than that: GRRM is not a good writer and relies on shock value and mystery boxes to trick people into thinking there's something more to his works. He reached a wall where he literally has no one left the audience cares about to kill for shock without the entire story collapsing and he ran out of ideas for mystery boxes. He had no idea how to end his books and now just wants to die with them unfinished hoping that people will posthumously think of his death as a tragic writer who died before he could finish his magnum opus and that the ending would be so good if only he hadn't perished so untimely before it.

Nothing in Gurms imagination can beat actual history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_latrine_disaster

Why do the work when you already got the paycheck? Who cares if NPCs don't like the aftertaste of their goyslop? Fuck 'em. GRRM is based.

Fantasy nerds are the 2nd LEAST descriminating fanbase (behind capeshit nerds) who will literally spend money on anything they are told. Such types of people exist for no other reason than to be exploited.

>>213614934
Too bad Robert Jordan already did all of that, and better.

You just know there are niggas ITT who like Sanderson kek

>>213610321
the major points of GoT are the same major points of ASoIaF.
"Bran" king, Dany crazy & dead, Jon takes the black (for a third time).
The execution could have been better if the books were ever to be made but the major notes are the same.
The only thing that I've been curious about is if Arya is the one to kill the night King or if that was fanfiction. Sadly we'll never know.

>>213604986
fpbp

read erikson if u want actual anthropology

>>213612722
>Does he have children
No, which is probably the best thing in hindsight given his incest fetish.

>>213616190
GURM, or rather D&D only confirmed king Bran. We don't really know what was supposed to happen to Jon and Dany. The foreshadowing of her destroying KL is there, but given the wildfire stashes, the total obliteration could be accidental. To be clear, that doesn't mean that loosening dragonfire on a city/castle is not evil, just not as batshit insane as nuking the place.

>>213609277
>3) "bran" becomes king, but he's really an avatar of bloodraven / the old gods, who are probably bad - bad ending 1
Isn't that what more or less happened in the show aswell? His personality radically shifted after all.

>>213615622
Except the fat fuck would write this scene but have a rival house be the ones who had the floor built with rotten beams supplied by a minor house that have a long lineage of being the greatest lumbermen of westeros who's flag is a sturdy fir and they're upset at X major house for not taking their wood god seriously and their youngest child is born with a rare wooden tooth which is a sign their old gods have returned and will take over westeros.

And then nothing fucking happens and they bend the knee to Bran

>>213604963 (OP)
the books are fucking trash, this fat retard writes like a woman. why they picked this slop for a high budget fantasy show i'll never understand

>>213606320
I just finished To Green Angel Tower. It's insane how much Georgie lifted from the trilogy. Arguably better than asoiaf because it's tidy series that hits all of the fantasy marks, it's got nuanced POVs, and it's not degenerately depraved or debauched with the darker subject matter. Also, it's actually finished.

>The umpteenth thread of wondering why a weak lazy fat fuck is a weak lazy fat fuck
General public gave up on him years ago

>>213616572
What a little bitch. GoT encourages all the behavior he's lamenting

>>213616418
Dave and Dan said they came up with Jon killing Dany themselves in 2013 for some reason, this was in the development book.

>>213608217
elden ring is its gameplay and world not its story.. good luck

>>213616457
Bran is changed in the show but he isn't evil or possessed. He's just sort of an omniscient true good being.

>>213605076
The real problem is that after the third book he was going to do a timeskip because the Red Wedding had ended the plotline with the most momentum at that point and the rest of the cast had been put in places where you could easily leave them for a few years and then come back to them being older, wiser, ready to fight again (e.g. Jon had just been elected head of the Nights Watch, Arya just set off for Braavos, Dany just decided to rule Mereen, Tyrion just killed Tywin and set off for Essos leaving Cersei as Queen) without too much having changed in the interim.

But there were a handful of things that were not set up for the timeskip, so he decided against it, which meant he had to find some way to flesh out all of the boring leaning and growth moments for all of these characters that he previously could have just handwaved away with the skip. And in the process of writing out those plots he added a bunch of new subplots that will now also need to be resolved. And it's not going to be possible in two books given how many of these plot threads are now out there and how far away all of the characters still are from even being on the same continent.

He's still not at the point in the story that he would have been at the start of the fourth book with the skip and I think he realized at some point that he had made a big mistake and that it's such a muddled fucking mess there's no hope of ever bringing it to a satisfying conclusion and gave up.

What the fuck isva lion-lizard?
Someone uses the word "crocodile" somewhere else but it's not that.

>>213616709
Meera was weirded out by him, he is detached from any family and insinuated that he only came down South to become king.
It's Bloodraven.

>>213616052
I'm not a fan but he is miles head of gurm as a fantasy writer. Actually thinks his stories and world-building through as opposed to gurm's retarded 'gardening'

>>213616637
No they didn't. They said they specially planned out the scene where she is stabbed, which is obvious when you rewatch s2. They never claimed to have come up with the plot point themselves

>>213616755
Ah yes, bloodraven's end goal of being a objectively true and just ruler for the world.
You're silly.

It only got picked up by HBO because they were the only ones who had the budget at the time but needed a fantasy series with the most explicit rape, scat, and pedophilia.

>>213610487
NTA, but then say that instead of going
>AUGHHH BLACK AND JEWS!! AUGHHH

>>213613845
Yeah, it's the non-stop whinging on his failblog. If it's not shilling Wild Cards (that literally nobody gives a fuck about), it's UGH I STILL CARE ABOUT ASOIAF OKAY? WHY DO I GET SHIT FOR PROMISING DEADLINES THAT ARE YEARS OFF???

Either don't post at all until you finish the book, or fuck off.

>>213616572
Kek he really is an insufferable libshit boomtard

>>213616937
This is unironically true btw. When HBO began advertising for it in the lead-up to S1 everyone who wasn't familiar with the books thought it was just more erotic realist fantasy garbage like True Blood, which is why it took 2-3 seasons for normies to finally trust it was actually good and not shit.

>>213616998
People meme on wildcards so much they lose sight of the fact gurm genuinely thinks that it is as important as asoaif, and gets mad when his audience shows they don't give a shit of about it

>>213616572
>I can't finish my series about a shitty fake world full of shitty fake people because...because...BECAUSE THE REAL WORLD IS SHITTY TOO AND THAT MAKES ME SAD.

has he ever considered that finishing with the message with >Power corrupts and we should put aside our differences because all we have is each other
would actually maybe help?

>>213617172
Ya but that wouldn't SuBvErT uR eXpEcTaTiONs would it?? Sorry bby GOT is for REAL adults because it's so RAW and REAL

There was a meme making fun of him, Rothfuss, and Scott Lynch for being obese tards but I didn't save it

>>213604963 (OP)
Gay of Thrones was originally pitched as a script for a show or movie but no one wanted to produce it so fatso turned it into a book.

>>213610367
>The reason Grrm can not finish the book is bringing Marwyn to Danny
Really late to this discussion but I became quite interested in Marwyn after re-reading the books and seeing him mentioned by Mirri Maz Dur in book 1.
What do you think he intends to do when he reaches Dany? I've also seen a theory that he's magically disguised as the red priest Moqorro on Victarion's ship. If that turns out to be true he just landed in Mereen with the Ironborn as seen in the Barristan teaser chapter.

>>213604963 (OP)
based fatso

>>213617383
I need to finish The Wizard Knight. I liked what I read but the hero was coming off as too much of a Marty Sue

>>213617396
Doesn't Marwyn know about the Others from Sam? Probably going to tell Dany about the threat beyond the wall, I assume.

>>213616804
You are a genuine retard. Sanderson characters are as shallow as a puddle and the dialogue between them are on par with marvel movies.

>>213616804
Sanderson is literally YA writing tier

>>213617712
>>213617744
And yet he's better than Martin "everyone's an asshole the more she drank the more she shat"

>>213616804
Sanderson seems to like writing more about magical dissertations than leaving anything to the imagination. I remember reading his Mistborn trilogy and literally everything about the world, magic, and different species was explained in the most boring and dry way possible.

>>213617833
Yeah, I really disliked how small the world of Mistborn felt by the third book.

Since Daenerys winning in Westeros is the second act and the Others are act 3 her only death that makes sense is in conflict with the Ice Demons, having there be extra story after that where she is doing randomized murder for no materially gain is stupid.

>>213604963 (OP)
>mfcker
You can swear here, faggot

>>213604963 (OP)
>only ever created dogshit
>somehow managed to sell it to some retarded suits who made a popular show of dogshit
>fill your mobile scooter with cash
Respect the hustle. Still a god awful writer.

>>213617833
As I said, I'm not a huge fan. But the dissertation approach at least means the magic is properly integrated in the rest of the story.
In Asoiaf on the other hand, it's just never ending honey dicking, teasing that the series is going to go from very Low Fantasy to High Fantasy, but never actually doing so.
>>213617712
>>213617744
At least he can finish a book series, dumb bootlicker

>>213617447
Seems like a long way to go just to deliver that message.

The thing with ASOIAF is the ending and message is what the GRRM that existed in the context of the early 90s believed in, and though decades of neoliberal decay what king Bran represents has aged poorly.

GRRM could only write a good ending if he was a Marxist instead of a Lib Bill Clinton guy

>>213617808
He really isn't. For all of GRRM's faults, he still knows how to create complex characters. Sanderson is like reading some highschooler's work.
>>213617973
Who cares if he can finish trash, it's still trash. Read Malazan if you want a competent high fantasy series that's finished.

>>213605076
Nah I think he just got bored of the story he started after Storm of Swords and his writing started to meander and veer off course because he's one of those writers who think planning and outlines are gay and now he's gotten himself up a river without a paddle. Like have you noticed he's seemingly gotten bored of the original great houses except for the Targaryens? Like the Tyrells and the Arryns and the Lannisters are amlost completely irrelevant outside the main story. But if you never read the main series of books and only the side material you would think the Blackwoods are the most important house in westeros.

>>213614606
>whiteknighting
You lack the necessary broadmindedness. You can only conceive of my actions with regard to my feelings towards Martin personally, and vice versa, because that's how you're approaching the situation; also why you think/write in cliches.

>>213618063
Are you saying Bran/Bloodraven/the weirwoodnet represents the unseen hand of the neoliberal managerial state?

>>213604963 (OP)
His dream was for his story to become famous and have a star wars-like fandom

HotD claims to be progressive, yet none of the fat characters are fat
>Nyra, Aegon, Viserys, Helaena, Mysaria...
Not very body positive of them.

I love how he tries to portray Stannis as some authoritarian monster (even with a knockoff "ein volk, ein reich, ein fuhrer" chant) but he still makes him everyone's favorite king of the civil war.

>>213617396
Don't think the timeline quite works for Marwyn to be Moqorro
Marwyn has Aemon's corpse pickled in a barrel, which will come up again for some reason - and Moqorro doesn't

>>213618071
>complex characters
Yeah dude, Ned Stark, the Mountain and Ramsay are really Shakespearean lmao

>>213618384
>Marwyn has Aemon's corpse pickled in a barrel, which will come up again for some reason
Totally forgot about that. In fact, I have a false memory of him getting a sea burial. Wonder if some necromancy is at foot.

>>213616484
It's twice as long as it needs to be, the twists are obvious, and it's cliched
The GRRM robbed MST meme needs to die

>>213618270
How do you know they aren't?

>>213618438
You can say the same for GoT

>>213618337
Turning an explicitly white character into a black one was enough kowtowing

>>213618290
>also why you think/write in cliches.
And you think think/write like an idiot trying to sound clever. No wonder you bootlick gurm

>>213618437
No you probably just misremembered

>nuncle
>mayhaps
>he broke his fast
>mummer's farce
>boiled leather jerkin doublet
>on the nonce
>she was seven and twenty
>he was in his cups
>much and more
>little and less
>words are wind
>he was a man grown
>as you say

>>213618418
Have you read any Shakespeare? There are plenty of shallow villains on par with Ramsay (who are also bastards btw) and honorable fools on par with Ned.

>>213618463
No, MST is much more plodding, even than AFFC/ADWD

>>213618507
>her cunt became the world

>>213605991
>Brooks
Lol.
>>213605991
>Goodkind
LMAO.>>213605991
>Eddings
IS good but Gurm is much better.
>>213605991
>Jordan
How is the show going with Amazon devoted enough of a budget to the first few seasons of the Wheel of Time.

>>213618270
The original houses don't really have a lot going for them, which gets even more ridiculous when you get into the lore and see that those like the Starks and Lannisters have ruled roughly same areas for like 2000 years

>>213608275
>Dreaming about making a bunch of money while being hated by every fan you ever had
Sounds great...

>>213618611
>the show
By the first 15 minutes it had already changed so much of the book it might as well have nothing to do with it. The directors and writers were of that "we didn't read the original work because we want to do our take of it" crowd. Thankfully it's already canceled.

>>213616742
There's also that one fairly recent interview where he admitted he realized he killed off a character that is actually necessary for the ending he had planned out.

>>213618470
They barely gave them any thought though. Also replacing one canonically black character with a blackwashed one is, yikes, not a good look, etc.
Are they trying to say that black people are interchangeable?
Furthermore, they erased Targ Velaryon ancestry. They could have had a whole main cast of black characters.

>>213614934
>>213605076

GRRM is not a good writer, but mainly because what he call ''being a gardener'' really means '' I make shit up as I go along''. This isnt so bad when you are in the first half of the story and you can expand, but after a certain point, when you have reach a conclusion, you have to contract all those independent plot points into a single coherent ending. This is not so easy, especially if you never planned or you made shit up along the way that didnt fit into the earlier plan. You can see that in the fourth book where he broke the preestablished structure of the first tree. And even earlier if you consider that the first book set up the fantastical elements to be much more proeminent in comparison to the ''human'' interpersonal drama of the later books, probably in reaction to fan reception.

He is also lazy as fuck, like all fat people. But his lazyness most likely also manifest itself in his work/moral ethics. He probably had lots of fun writing those episodic chapters and so it wasnt that hard for him to sit down and writte whatever. Espcecially since he also had no constraints on what he could devellop.

But now he has to sit down and force himself to finish the story, and it takes a lot of planning, foretought and he cannot write anything he wants anymore. He probably really try to sit down and write, but loose hearth and throw himself into a pile of donuts to eat his stress away.

Moreover, he is American, and americans have an implicit hierarchy of art within their culture, with TV/Cinema on top and writting books is just something you do when you cant get on TV/Cinema. But now he HAS access to visual medium and he probably isnt motivated that much for boring ol writting. He probably will spend the last moments of his life trying to get his older work made into movies or series. His writting days are over.

>All three of the sons of the fifth Aegon had wed for love in defiance of their father's wishes.
Barristan believes in gay marriage.

>>213618512
Yes anon, not every Shakespeare character is a 4d character study like hamlet, bravo for that stunning insight
Gurm does not have a single character who is genuinely 'complex'. The ones simps like you cite as such like Jamie or Stannis, are really just characters where George changed his mind about their arc halfway through writing the books

>>213618908
>His writting days are over
I am guessing we will get Winds eventually, whether or not it will actually be finished is another story.
Not getting Spring tho. Not unless he splits Winds and tacks on some thrown together conclusion.

>>213619039
He has not written a word of Winds and never will. The chapters he claims are previews are just shit he cut from ADWD and AFFC.

>>213619080
I'll have to take your word for it, but it wouldn't surprise me.
I gave up on ever reading them again around 2017, so I haven't even peaked at the preview chapters.
Almost like that rumor he told his close friends he was done writing the books.

>>213605631
Then you are a deceiver.

>>213605076
this has been obvious since it came out
>the biggest show in the world doesn't ask for the author's input about the ending
It was absolutely his ending

>>213619182
He was straight up saying it was his ending, up until the last few episodes where the reception became unambiguously negative.
The only reason there is any debate at all is because book fans have already got industrial scale reserves of copium, stocked up from 20 years of gurm lying to them

>>213618797
Which was it?
The Jon thing?

>>213619409
He never said which one. I think it's Oberyn Martell.

>>213619080
We know he mad not progress beyond leftovers for a adwd for a decade
then he wrote 70 percent of winds during the Pandemic
Now he has made zero progress since 2022

>>213619311
Cersei is going to be killed by Faegon way before the ending

He wants to die from overeating and his legacy intact as the US Tolkien who tragically coudn't finish his magnum opus.

Anybody with half a brain knows he gave D&D the Cliff Notes of the ending which includes Mad Dany. Many anons have astutely pointed out she's been exhibiting since the end of A Game of Thrones.

The fat man realizes that it's gonna piss off his fanbase so he's either backpedaling or he just doesn't give a fuck anymore. At best, he'll write 1 more book but no definitive conclusion.

>>213619919
>source: retarded fanfiction I got from youtube

>>213620261
I doubt she will die by Aegon's hand. But it's pretty much a given that his ass will be on the throne before Dany arrives.

>>213619409
>>213619507
I think it's funny fatman did basically picrelated years ago without realizing it.

>>213619919
>>213620261
It would be pretty cool if Faegon enters the throne room and Balerion hisses at him.

Imagine if one of his interns rage posted TWoW/ADoS on ao3 under a different name because he wasn't getting paid enough, and now he has to rewrite the entire thing because of copyright.

>>213605076
The books are well written and the show towards was, I mean this literally, worse than what any random retard on the street would write if they were somehow given the job as a joke, so even if some major plot points were sharedthat does not make the show ending in any way indicative of how the books would actually execute and flesh out anything, and how ending would be received

>>213620584
>The books are well written

>>213620383
>>213620493
Why are you retards talking as if gurm is ever going to finish lmao

>>213620813
The second he bites it that ghostwriter of his is going to publish his already written stuff.

>>213612693
>what's that got to do with anything?
likely nothing, but i find it odd that while JJ is doing disney star wars he and his wife are negotiating a 250M deal with warner, while disney is trying to deal with DnD while working with Warner. And then we get the conclusions we got to both IPs.

>>213617396
>I've also seen a theory
that sounds good, could definetly be, still has the age issues etc. But in my head cannon, the author stumbled with Bran, sent Arya on a dummy mission and doesnt have the balls to do with necessary with Danny.

>>213620584
The show was shaky in writing after S1. Even before it went to shit, there were always cracks.

>>213620875
There is no already written stuff. His blog posts and interviews are a bunch of easily debunked lies

>>213605101
thats ridiculous. But thats the thing, Dany even going back to Westeros is silly. Why would she care? Everything and everyone she ever cared about is in Essos. Westeros is her brothers dream.

>>213620261
>>213619919
fAegon is the dumbest shit in the books.

Oh and as far as the Others are concerned. I think everyone should re-read old nans tale.

It was 20-40 years of darkness and winter first, AND THEN the Others marched on the living. Dragonglass and Dragonsteel are red herrings. Good luck stabbing a cloud.

>>213620813
Good point. But "would have" and "would sit" doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well.

Fucking Silksong is going to come out before this fat fuck finishes his book series.

>>213604963 (OP)
degenerate fat pedo jew launders money for jews. while spreading vile jew propaganda. shocking

>>213611988
how... jew...

>>213612818
he probably has kids but doesn't tell anyone. or a dungeon full of others kids

>>213613249
right? rowling rushed them out and they were sloppy but the series was concluded