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Anonymous No.213622457 >>213622666 >>213622744 >>213622762 >>213622882 >>213623014 >>213623086 >>213623097 >>213623167 >>213623281 >>213625587 >>213625688 >>213625983 >>213627765 >>213632425 >>213632510 >>213634003 >>213637351 >>213639556
Hypernormalisation
This documentary was life-changing.
Anonymous No.213622558 >>213622620 >>213623255 >>213624573 >>213625816 >>213626951 >>213627870 >>213631755 >>213633139 >>213633610 >>213633777 >>213634832 >>213641369
Give me a QRD? All I know about it generally is that it's about how the world is run on collapsing and broken systems but everyone just pretends that everything is fine and maintains them for short term benefit
Anonymous No.213622620 >>213622773
>>213622558
Let's try a summary

First freud inspired psycology created marketing mass brainwashing, marketing mass brainwashing destroys people individuality

For example, anon I like dc movies what do you like
Anonymous No.213622666
>>213622457 (OP)
It is kino.
Anonymous No.213622744
>>213622457 (OP)
Uneducated paranoia does not matter. Only Jesus Christ and the holy Father matters.
Anonymous No.213622762 >>213622800 >>213622843 >>213627740 >>213632495
>>213622457 (OP)
Everything in it, including the term normalisation, is borrowed directly from Noam Chomsky.
Anonymous No.213622773 >>213622960 >>213627792
>>213622620
you summarized (poorly) The Century of the Self, not Hypernormalisation
Anonymous No.213622800
>>213622762
And Ed Hermann.
Anonymous No.213622843
>>213622762
Irrelevant
Anonymous No.213622882 >>213623281 >>213623370
>>213622457 (OP)
it was good until the halfway point where it tries to tie things together, just came off as tenuous.
Anonymous No.213622960 >>213623066 >>213625356
>>213622773
man that Edward Bernays was such an asshole
Anonymous No.213623014 >>213623370
>>213622457 (OP)
I like Adam Curtis but over time his documentaries have become longer, more fractured and esoteric, particularly the most recent ones that just use all bits of recordings, some which do come together in the narrative he is building and others that don't as much. Honestly I think some of his best stuff was the shorts he did for Charlie Brooker's Newswipe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8moePxHpvok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UstNBrmJFc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrSQinf8Qto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9FaIyc4vpU
Anonymous No.213623043 >>213627304
Century of the Self was great. Because there is distance from the events that it describes. Most people will agree it is a faithful portrayal of those events, if a bit polemical like every documentary is. What this one talks about is too recent, and therefore just strikes me as political and subjective. I don't agree or disagree with anything iin it. It just hits too close to home (the present).
Anonymous No.213623061
i like the more recent one where he talks about tupac shakurs mother and the black panthers.
Anonymous No.213623066 >>213624037 >>213628491
>>213622960
If Edward Bernays met you in person, he would call you stupid to your face. And he would be right to do so.
Anonymous No.213623086 >>213623125 >>213623197 >>213632470
>>213622457 (OP)
Literally what even was it saying though?

I always want to ask this of people who watch docs like this or read Zizek.

What is the point? Blah blah CAPITALISM, or something.
Anonymous No.213623097 >>213633171
>>213622457 (OP)
I like Can't Get You Out Of My Head more.
HyperNormalization feels far fetched.
Jumping from place to place, finding similarities, and tying them to other unconnected pieces.
A lot of Curtis' stuff feels like that desu.
Anonymous No.213623125 >>213623216 >>213631637
>>213623086
capitalism bad
and it's true
Anonymous No.213623167 >>213627478 >>213634022
>>213622457 (OP)
What's this bitch's name?
Anonymous No.213623182
He always knows how to come up with a great title, at least.
Anonymous No.213623197 >>213623241
>>213623086
>Literally what even was it saying though?
People in the Soviet Union knew their system was collapsing but all went along with it, almost like they couldn't see past it. Hypernormalisation is about how all these manufactured systems are so pervasive that they are treated as normal, even by people who see through them, a hypernormal state that people play along with. Ultimately the narratives around many things are being simplified as systems of control
Anonymous No.213623216
>>213623125
Sure Capitalism is bad, but also Communism bad desu. Two sides of the same rootless cosmopolitan shekel.
Anonymous No.213623236
The problem with critiquing capitalism is the same as telling a tiger that is holding your neck between its teeth, "this is bad!" It is bad! But what can you do about it?
Anonymous No.213623241 >>213623264
>>213623197
Sure but that's every world-system people might partake in. There is not demystified materialist master key

You are in one world or another, under one God or another
Anonymous No.213623255
>>213622558
>the world is run on collapsing and broken systems but everyone just pretends that everything is fine and maintains them for short term benefit
That's literally every civilization since the dawn of time.
Anonymous No.213623264
>>213623241
>Sure but that's every world-system people might partake in
Sure, and he is just describing the modern system that has been built, particularly in the west.
Anonymous No.213623281
>>213622457 (OP)
weird, I just had it on this morning for the first time in years
>>213622882 I agree with this anon. and the thesis he starts with is, "nothing makes any sense." I just watch it for what it is: a collage of BBC archival footage
Anonymous No.213623370
>>213622882
>it was good until the halfway point where it tries to tie things together, just came off as tenuous.
>>213623014
>I like Adam Curtis but over time his documentaries have become longer, more fractured and esoteric, particularly the most recent ones that just use all bits of recordings, some which do come together in the narrative he is building and others that don't as much.
Adam Curtis' ideas are interesting but it is essentially a grand narrative (even though he criticises grand narratives sometimes) and overtime has gotten messy. Bit like how Youtubers can't explain a subject in 40 minutes but need to make a 3 hour video essay nowadays.
Anonymous No.213623381
For me? It's this
Anonymous No.213623613 >>213624157 >>213632533
Nonsense to distract you that every problem in the world is caused by jews.
Why? Well you know how there are parasite birds like cuckoos, or parasite wasps? Jews are the cuckoos of the human-primate. It's in their nature. Obviously every type of human is needed for something in the overall environmental balance, if you destroy every single cuckoo or every single parasitic wasp it could cause harm, but their population and influence is kept in check by the natural order, which humans have breached. This is why at least 70% of jews should be exterminated and the rest sent to desert from which they come from. When this happens suddenly you will find out that non-whites, sodomites and uppity whores are no longer protected in any western country and can get their comeuppance and eradicated from the normal society. More effectively that in the past too thanks to technology.
Anonymous No.213624037
>>213623066
pathetic
Anonymous No.213624157 >>213624248
>>213623613
Shut the fuck up retard
Anonymous No.213624204 >>213624277 >>213626630 >>213635183
Has anyone got the copypasta?
Anonymous No.213624248 >>213624309
>>213624157
Shalom
Anonymous No.213624277 >>213626683
>>213624204
Who's the idiot who made this? 5x7 doesn't work for fucking bingo
Anonymous No.213624309 >>213624501
>>213624248
>everyone who disagrees with me must be a Jew!
Anonymous No.213624323 >>213624489 >>213631437 >>213632533
If only you knew the real reasons (((they))) pretend to tell you the truth in "documentaries." God I feel such SHAME when some dimwit anon thinks he's just broken the matrix because he watched some "documentary" thinking it was some kind of perfectly encapsulated truth and he was the first anon who ever discovered it. Escaping the matrix is a lie, anon.
Anonymous No.213624489 >>213625158 >>213625425
>>213624323
Okay so what are the real reasons? Why don't you enlighten us? You sound smarter than Adam Curtis, I'm sure you can explain.
Anonymous No.213624501
>>213624309
Or a shabbos goy
Anonymous No.213624573
>>213622558
it's over
Anonymous No.213625158
>>213624489
Start off by accepting that World War II didn't really take place and everything will begin to make sense.
Anonymous No.213625356 >>213627508
>>213622960
He was right about controlling the masses. Read his essay, he is basically calling for a kwisatz hedirach.
Anonymous No.213625425 >>213626670
>>213624489
If you have to worship a man because you think his name means something to me, it's already too late for you.
Anonymous No.213625527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pel0FntPSbU
Watch this
Anonymous No.213625587
>>213622457 (OP)
Bitter Lake also by Adam Curtis is also pure kino.
Anonymous No.213625669 >>213626477
>another Adam Curtis thread
Anonymous No.213625688
>>213622457 (OP)
>vulgarizes Jean Baudrillard, Christopher Lasch and other cultural critics for people who can't read books
yeah man, real cool
Anonymous No.213625816 >>213626128 >>213634067
>>213622558
society is run by people optimizing for spreadsheets and abstractions and not reality, e.g. the fallacy that GDP going up means the average persons life has gotten better, or people saying quality of life is the best it’s ever been when people are basically voluntarily choosing suicide either literally or through childlessness like never before
Anonymous No.213625983 >>213626136
>>213622457 (OP)
Curtis is not a documentary filmmaker, he is a journalist. Once I realized this I liked his stuff a lot better.
One of my favorite themes of his is about how people make models of reality. They believe the model is a good map of reality, and follow it, and it fails them
Anonymous No.213626128 >>213626203 >>213626295 >>213626411 >>213631622 >>213631622 >>213633230 >>213638455 >>213639397
>>213625816
The average quality of life literally has improved though. In fact we're already living in a pseudo-utopian world and most people don't realize this. Of course there are still conflicts and wealth imbalances but that's not the point. In the Dark Ages your option was to work or die. In the Great Depression every sector of society needed to adapt simultaneously, and this is mirrored whenever a country goes through a recession today. But now that's pretty much over, you can just be a hedonistic troglodyte from birth until death and won't really suffer any consequences outside of existential dread a.k.a. burnt out receptors. I mean think about it, people literally make up mental illness in the developed world because we are so bored that it is making us go insane. That's unironically an achievement in its own right. Nobody experiences strife so they just invent it out of thin air, that's the polar opposite of what a dystopian view of modernity would be.
Anonymous No.213626136 >>213626474
>>213625983
Curtis is not a documentary filmmaker or a journalist. For me he is a more skilled video essayist.
Anonymous No.213626184 >>213626234
This and the dudes other doc all get called amazing but no one can even give a legible summary of either
Anonymous No.213626203 >>213626372
>>213626128
>In the Dark Ages your option was to work or die.
The Dark Ages are charactised in popular culture as a time of intellectual decline, even though historians challenge this assertion all the time. The fact that you use such a term means your perception of the past is already flawed. People have a rather poor understanding of the lives people lived in the past.
Anonymous No.213626234
>>213626184
People have summarised docs in this thread. Most of them have rather clear throughlines.
Anonymous No.213626295
>>213626128
“made up” mental illness is still mental illness. You’re mistaking abstractions for reality. If a person is mentally ill, does it really matter if they’re transitioning their gender for a “made up” reason? The end result is the same. Just because it’s a historically novel dystopia doesn’t mean it isn’t a dystopia. A utopia would have people be happy instead of going crazy over things made up out of thin air. It’s definitely a dystopia for anyone who wants to marry young, for life, and have plenty of children that they can provide for. Dark Ages peasants had this in abundance compared to us
Anonymous No.213626372 >>213626407 >>213626562 >>213626725 >>213636766
>>213626203
Look jackass. Your life is better compared to some farmer losing his teeth and is killed by the flu back in the 13th century. That's a certified fact. Getting hung up on technicals is fag behavior chump.
Anonymous No.213626407
>>213626372
That farmer had an actual community and lived more than the average person today does
Anonymous No.213626411
>>213626128
I think that materially we're in a better place than for much of history, but spiritually and mentally we're worse off than ever, what with increasing hyper-individualism and social alienation, access to social media playing a large part in both. There's also no longer a unifying cultural nomos (a widespread, universal belief in inherent meaning to life that brought people together in communities) to offset existential terror or the material pain conflict in the world brings anymore. People are now just a lot lonelier and isolated than they ever were before.
Anonymous No.213626474
>>213626136
What is a video essayist? Is that some YouTube thing?
Anonymous No.213626477 >>213626965
>>213625669
"men" who create drivel like that which you've posted have deluded themselves into believing every human consciousness is fundamentally equal in its ability for rational, discipline, time-preference, morality, creativity, innovation, etc.
(You) ought to spend 1 minute considering the implications of iq.
Anonymous No.213626562
>>213626372
That farmer was less likely to get influenza in the 13th century than you are today.
Increased population density of humans and our domestic animals help drive the evolution of this virus
Many of the diseases that you think we "cured" ourselves of were diseases that our technology gave to us in the first place
Anonymous No.213626630 >>213626683
>>213624204
why the fuck is your bingo card 7 columns wide
Anonymous No.213626653
>But on the other side of the globe, a new coalition was forming
>They constructed for themselves a dream world, where none of the logic of everyday life would apply
>But as they retreated further into their dream, it began to manifest outwardly as well
Anonymous No.213626670
>>213625425
I gracefully accept your concession
Anonymous No.213626683 >>213626827
>>213624277
>>213626630
Here bros, I've fixed it.
Anonymous No.213626725
>>213626372
>Look jackass.
Why are you getting angry at me?
>Your life is better compared to some farmer losing his teeth and is killed by the flu back in the 13th century.
I never claimed anything different, I simply stated that people have a lot of ignorance on how people lived their lives.
>That's a certified fact.
Progression isn't a straight line. The 19th century saw an explosion of technology, but then at the start of the 20th century we have the horrors of the First World War, and would people say that technology was a good thing when used in mass slaughter? Or how about the people exploited under those systems?
> Getting hung up on technicals is fag behavior chump.
I'm simply trying to challenge your perceptions and how your perceptions are built on top of narratives. Adam Curtis' documentary is literally about how harmful simplistic narratives can be. And you're just repeating narratives of how things can be whilst using terminology (like the Dark Ages) that is very simplistic and has been challenged greatly. The fact that you can't understand that is silly.
Anonymous No.213626827 >>213626876 >>213626914
>>213626683
why the fuck is your bingo card 6 columns wide and 6 columns tall
Anonymous No.213626876 >>213627031
>>213626827
It's completely playable that way
Anonymous No.213626914 >>213626970
>>213626827
Anon is trying to own Adam Curtis while not knowing that B I N G O cards have 5 columns/rows
Anonymous No.213626951 >>213627065 >>213632812
>>213622558
>thing happens that's been happening forever
>OH NOT ITS A BIG CONSPIRACY, THE END IS NIGH

I hate you faggots so much. The world is not going to collapse instantly into a ruinous mess overnight, and even if it does gradually within your lifetime, you will never be realized as the "true leader" you think you should be, and you'll probably be raped and murdered in the first week.
Anonymous No.213626965
>>213626477
>the implications of iq
Nothing about my post was related to IQ, weird strawman
Anonymous No.213626970
>>213626914
bingo
Anonymous No.213627031
>>213626876
how many letters are in the word bingo
Anonymous No.213627065 >>213627110 >>213627626 >>213628125
>>213626951
what in God's name are you babbling about? Are you a bot?
Anonymous No.213627110 >>213628125
>>213627065
I think that is a very angry and frustrated human trying to vent by lashing out at random people
Anonymous No.213627304
>>213623043
Based, it's my favorite one.
Anonymous No.213627478
>>213623167
Adam Curtis
Anonymous No.213627508
>>213625356
fucking kill yourself retard
Anonymous No.213627524 >>213630103
His most important, relevant and also best documentary. Also coincidentally I feel like his least watched.
Anonymous No.213627626 >>213628125
>>213627065
Worse; a kike

I look forward to my inexplicable 3-day for racism outside of /b/. Free palestine, nuke israel, rape every kike on this earth to death
Anonymous No.213627740 >>213633631
>>213622762
Normalisation is a scientific term older than chomsky it means standardization
Anonymous No.213627765 >>213628097 >>213633853
>>213622457 (OP)
picrel gets at something more pertinent
Anonymous No.213627792
>>213622773
You are right but am right about individualization
Anonymous No.213627870 >>213627915
>>213622558
>Give me a QRD?
everything is Fake and gay
if youre not rich. life sucks
Anonymous No.213627915 >>213627955
>>213627870
I don't tjink rich people fare much better, they just get to try more expensive things
Anonymous No.213627955 >>213628333
>>213627915
they dont have to stop eating eggs and beef because of inflation
Anonymous No.213628097 >>213633853
>>213627765
that murakami book really sucks.
Anonymous No.213628125
>>213627065
>>213627110
>>213627626
Retarded NEET's who think that the world is on the hinge of collapse for the last 100 years and that they'll be able to rape women and kill niggers because they're powerless beta male losers.
Anonymous No.213628256
THE WEST HAS FALLEN
Anonymous No.213628333
>>213627955
Consider the following if eggs or meat are rare they get sold less stay on stores for longer and end bad

I have seen filthy rich vegans eat things I wouldn't eat and I randomly pick up tree fruit
Anonymous No.213628407
You could say it's demoralizing but it's more like a black pill.

"It's all a psyop. The noise is intentional."
Anonymous No.213628491
>>213623066
Yeah and then I'd tell him that he's named after a hot emulsion that french faggots eat
Anonymous No.213630103
>>213627524
Yes, it's really good and definitely underrated. That's a good reminder for me to rewatch it.
Anonymous No.213630736
I like how most posters arguing against the video are proving it correct.
Anonymous No.213631013
I have no idea what is real or fake anymore. All the news on mainstream channels seems fake, or by out of touch journalists who don't really have an interest in telling the truth. The only other option is comedians turned pundits screaming about the latest culture war on youtube.
Anonymous No.213631087
Literally not what the documentary is about you are making shit up. Retard, bot, or shill that you are.
Anonymous No.213631143 >>213631528
He has a new one out about 80s.
I think his best film is Bitter Lake though really.
Anonymous No.213631437 >>213631554
>>213624323
They let Adam Curtis make documentaries because they already own all the footage, he writes, edits and narrates it himself and he has one assistant. Its the cheapest content the BBC makes by some distance.
Anonymous No.213631528 >>213639873
>>213631143
I hadn't heard about this one, good looking out
Anonymous No.213631554
>>213631437
Would be the best one if dr who wasn't so charismatic
Anonymous No.213631622 >>213632628 >>213633443
>>213626128
>>213626128
This is a textbook example of flattening history and human experience into a feel-good progress narrative that mistakes comfort for flourishing. It’s intellectually immature because it treats “average quality of life” as a sufficient measure of civilization’s health—reducing all the complex, multidimensional realities of human existence to material abundance and the absence of famine. It’s two-dimensional because it ignores the qualitative dimensions of meaning, purpose, culture, ecological stability, and social cohesion, as if human history can be graded on a single axis of “more stuff and less immediate danger = utopia.”

It romanticizes modernity through cherry-picked contrasts with caricatures of the past (“work or die” in the Dark Ages, “everyone adapting” in the Great Depression) while neglecting the structural, technological, and psychological fragilities unique to our era. It also misrepresents existential and mental health crises as mere “boredom,” trivializing the deeper social, spiritual, and systemic dysfunctions that underlie them. By treating invented or exacerbated suffering as a sign of achievement, it mistakes numbness for enlightenment and comfort for liberation; missing that a pseudo-utopia without meaning is just a well-upholstered dystopia.
Anonymous No.213631637
>>213623125
>capitalism
>multiple 6 to 900B interventiones in the yield curve over the last 20 years

We chopped off the invisible hand. The US economy is centrally planned by a 12 person committee callled the FOMC.
Anonymous No.213631755 >>213631798 >>213635171 >>213636938 >>213638526 >>213639080 >>213641369
>>213622558
How is everyone filtered by Curtis? He makes it as digestible as possible…

Adam Curtis’s HyperNormalisation argues that since the late 20th century, political leaders, corporations, and media have increasingly replaced complex, chaotic realities with simplified, manageable narratives—stories that everyone knows are incomplete or false, yet still accepts because they make the world feel stable and navigable. This manufactured “normal” depoliticizes the public, encouraging passive consumption and detachment rather than collective action. Citizens become spectators in a reality where spectacle, consumer comfort, and techno-utopian promises mask deep systemic contradictions, social fragmentation, and looming crises. The paradox is that people live in a state of double-awareness—recognizing the artificiality of the narrative while still conforming to it—creating a strange pseudo-reality that feels safer than confronting the uncertainty of the real world.

Some examples:
1. Politics: Politicians all say the same vague nonsense, everyone knows it’s BS, but we keep voting like it matters because the alternative is chaos.
2. News: The news cycle is just drama and clickbait to keep us hooked—real issues get buried under feel-good stories and celebrity gossip.
3. Social Media: We scroll endlessly through memes and pointless arguments instead of organizing or doing anything meaningful.
4. Tech hype: New gadgets and AI promises sound cool, but mostly they’re distractions from the fact society’s on fire behind the scenes.
5. Mental health: People joke about “boredom” causing mental illness, ignoring real trauma and systemic issues because it’s easier to say “just chill lol.”
Anonymous No.213631798 >>213631972
>>213631755
I watched the power of nightmares

9 hours it filters anything with a bladder
Anonymous No.213631972 >>213632097
>>213631798
Ha, well that IS true. I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t a chore to get through. However…this proves the point: Society’s hypernormalised state doesn’t just simplify reality, it actively conditions people to avoid complexity and deep analysis because doing so feels exhausting or even threatening.

For example, the fact that watching a 9-hour Adam Curtis documentary “filters out anything with a bladder” is evidence of this (while I agree with you, and I know you’re being cheeky, I’m gunna take some leeway and use your line as an example of a greater proof)…It shows how cultural and cognitive environments have been engineered so that engaging seriously with inconvenient truths is a chore, not the norm.

This is no accident. It’s part of the same manufactured “normal” Curtis describes, where spectacle and distraction replace meaningful understanding. People are habituated to shallow narratives because those are easier to swallow…and that leaves real power concentrated in the hands of those who control the stories.

So, the widespread aversion to sustained critical thought is proof that hypernormalisation works: by making serious analysis unpleasant or inaccessible, it keeps most people passive, disempowered, and trapped inside the pseudo-reality (how many people would actually have the gumption/attention span/TIME to focus and sit through a 9 hour doc??). Yet, if someone wants true agency and to grasp what’s really happening, they must push past that cultural conditioning and endure the “chore” of deep reflection because that’s the only way out of the “trap”.
Anonymous No.213632097 >>213632372
>>213631972
Psst nine hours detailing the conflict in the middle east and Israel the entire country ain't even on it, in this crackhead times feels like an intellectual soft pillow

9 hours no one blames the jews
Anonymous No.213632301
I bet he could make something amazing about the trump 1-biden-trump 2 presidential terms when trump 2 is done.
Anonymous No.213632372 >>213632410 >>213632480
>>213632097
While I agree with your sentiment.. Curtis is still a mainstream journalist and documentarian… he can’t just name the J outright loll. But he gives you the whole network and infrastructure of people, and associations. That’s good enough in my book.
Anonymous No.213632410 >>213632564 >>213632653
>>213632372
He sort of does but goes on detail about everyone else to the point I actually learned something
Anonymous No.213632425 >>213633803
>>213622457 (OP)
I just like the short glimpses of that ideal 80s babe from the doc
Anonymous No.213632470 >>213632578
>>213623086
Capitalism is bad but we are so deeply fucked that meaningful change in any direction is impossible and we're just riding this train off a cliff.
Anonymous No.213632480 >>213632539 >>213632822
>>213632372
>he can’t just name the J outright lol
he wouldn't want to. he seems like a lot of his generation's meta-morality is around how sacred jews are because of the holocaust narrative. he wouldn't want to be ostracized from his peers; that's like being a modern apostate.
Anonymous No.213632495 >>213635514
>>213622762
>The word hypernormalisation was coined by Alexei Yurchak, a professor of anthropology who was born in Leningrad and later went to teach at the University of California, Berkeley. He introduced the word in his book Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More: The Last Soviet Generation (2006), which describes paradoxes of Soviet life during the 1970s and 1980s.
Anonymous No.213632510
>>213622457 (OP)
documentaries are midwit shit
Anonymous No.213632533 >>213632604 >>213636764 >>213640364
>>213623613
>>213624323
Does it get boring to just blame the jews for everything all the time? No really, I'm honestly curious.
Anonymous No.213632539
>>213632480
Just go and watch it, if you gotta blame the jews you didn't got it, they were burning american flags
Anonymous No.213632564 >>213632648
>>213632410
Yayy, that’s good. If you want to know what’s really going on in this world, you need to know the nuts and bolts.
>You may know who the “king” is, but if you don’t understand how the power is wielded in practice to keep him(them) the king (politics, allegiances, generals, knights, other kingdoms, etc.), you won’t get far. Adam Curtis’s docs help show all this
Anonymous No.213632578 >>213632634 >>213633121 >>213636572
>>213632470
Corrupt crony capitalism and proliferation of unchecked robber barons is bad, but the alternatives to capitalism are inevitably worse. Don't make the mistake of thinking what we have is just plain capitalism.
Anonymous No.213632604
>>213632533
That's like saying "does it get boring saying the sky is blue and water is wet?" The truth is what it is.
Anonymous No.213632628 >>213632711 >>213632730
>>213631622
AI go away
Anonymous No.213632634
>>213632578
What I should've said is neoliberalism is bad. Marxists think all socioeconomic hierarchy is inherently wrong so by that token all capitalism is bad to them, but really it's more of a post-war, post-keynesian phenomenon.
Anonymous No.213632648 >>213632703
>>213632564
Footage is worth on itself, man I love british patté for example, Curtis has a good eye for editing better than most
Anonymous No.213632653
>>213632410
The more you know!

One may know who the king is, but if one neglects to understand how the power is wielded to keep him(them) the king (politics, resources, the mob, generals, knights, other kingdoms, etc.), then one will not get far…
Anonymous No.213632703
>>213632648
Absolutely, agreed. Plus his taste in music is immaculate
Anonymous No.213632711
>>213632628
It had the horrific thought that they are prepping the burgers to invade Israel like they did with, roll credits, b4
Anonymous No.213632730 >>213632756
>>213632628
I like to use em dashes okay, it’s flows in the way I talk. Focus on the content you goober
Anonymous No.213632756
>>213632730
Totally on topic
Anonymous No.213632769 >>213632806 >>213632914
the tl;dr is that the financialization of the western economy post 1975 decoupled economic performance from actually measurable productivity and has left us in a permanent kayfabe where getting the number on the graph to go up is more important than outproducing X quantity of steel, Y quantity of petrol, Z manhours etc. the same reason why alabama has a higher GDP than like russia; it's all measured in speculative financial investment and not in actual productive capacity.

this "play fake" economy became mirrored in politics and now the purpose of politics in the west isn't really to deliver desired outcomes to constituents, but to manage the number going up. politics is increasingly abstracted from what's actually happening on the street. the socialist left in the 70s gave up and when the USSR collapsed, there was no real alternative. so now we live in a fake and gay society on a fake and gay economic structure
Anonymous No.213632806
>>213632769
that's a pretty good summary
Anonymous No.213632812 >>213633084 >>213635992
>>213626951
Why do loser 30+ anons always claim to have always known something they've never talked about before? lol
Anonymous No.213632822
>>213632480
I agree, that’s well said desu. No media figure is going to be perfect, let’s be real, if we go schizo on everyone for not being cavalier like a 4chan pol/ster then we won’t have anything to go on, which keeps one paralyzed and stationary. Can’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Everything you read and take from media is gunna have to require your own filter and discretion.
Anonymous No.213632914 >>213632935
>>213632769
Well said. I think one of the takeaways from Curtis’s latest USSR docu-footage was to actually show that many places in the West are just like that now, if you can change your lens and perception of aesthetic. Like downtrodden parts of the US have the same feel as shots in that doc, just with western “skins”
Anonymous No.213632935
>>213632914
Yeah life can be bad, but is the banalization what takes the cherry on top
Anonymous No.213633084
>>213632812
B4 you are 30+ years old I learned ton of crap I never bother to remember
Anonymous No.213633121
>>213632578
Actual free market capitalism would be great
Anonymous No.213633139 >>213633203
>>213622558
Western elites have, for decades, created fake but convenient narratives which worked because they were "close enough" to reality. Reality has changed but the stories haven't, which is why nothing "makes sense" anymore.
Anonymous No.213633171
>>213623097
Can't Get You Out Of My Head is kino but you really need to watch Curtis's other stuff first to get used to his style. Otherwise it's going to be completely incomprehensible.
Anonymous No.213633203
>>213633139
They have a pattern, certain people bad, we must invade them, procede to criminalize said people, arm said people, give military cooperation then turn on them (at convenient time), establish puppet governments who turn out to be bombable genocidal
Anonymous No.213633230
>>213626128
What about avoiding social media and politics, and keep digitalization in your life restricted. You're part of a fringe group now. Whereas, you used to be normal.
Anonymous No.213633265 >>213634559 >>213634728
PSA Curtis has a new series for 2025: *Shifty*

“Shifty is a series of films that traverse the past 40 years in Britain, showing how the shift of political power to finance and hyper-individualism came together in powerful ways, to undermine one of the fundamental structures of mass democracy–the shared idea of what is real. As that fell apart, with it went the language and the ideas that people had turned to for the last 150 years to make sense of the world they lived in. As a result, life in Britain and the current and former colonies of its empire, has become strange–a hazy dream-like flux, where distrust in politicians keeps growing, and the political class seems to have lost control. Through archive footage, news reels, and on-screen-text in video essay format, Shifty documents the shapes of how this happened, using the vast ranges of footage to evoke what if felt like to live through an epic transformation during the 1980s. A shift in consciousness among people in how they saw and felt about the world. Hundreds of moments captured on film and video that give a true sense of the crazy complexity and variety of peoples actual lives. Moments of intimacy and strangeness and absurdity. From nuns playing Cluedo and fat-shaming ventriloquists, to dark moments of racist attacks, suspicion of others, and modern paranoia about conspiracies in Britain’s past. The politicians from Mrs Thatcher onwards unleashed the power of finance to try and manage and deal with this new complexity, but they lost control and the money inevitably broke free. While at the same time the growing chaotic force of hyper-individualism created an ever more fragmented and atomised society that ate away at the idea that was at the heart of democracy: that people could come together in groups. There is a now a mismatch between the world we experience day-to-day, and the world that the politicians, journalists and experts describe to us. The map no longer describes the territory.”
Anonymous No.213633443 >>213633876
>>213631622
I think it’s a mix of both. Things are better today, but perhaps things should be way better..? We have no sense of perspective since we are present in real time within our timeline, but maybe we have lost out on a 100 years of progress. Perhaps things should really be more utopian for more people, more meaningful, etc. but we took a wrong turn some hundred years ago and now we find ourselves in a pseudo-progressive future. Things aren’t thaat bad compared to the way past, but would we really know? Could we know? Idk if I’m making sense. I think Alex jones idea of a breakaway civilization is actually true, but in a different way…for an ever decreasing minority life probably is a utopia rn, but they essentially broke away from the ever increasing majority that was kept on the back burner. Kept on the slow bus going nowhere. Idk. Can anyone articulate this better for me?
Anonymous No.213633610
>>213622558
>Hypernormalisation
If you are familiar with Yuri Bezmenov then you are already with the misleading term "normalization". This is all that is.
Anonymous No.213633631
>>213627740
It has been perverted to mean something else.
Don't you remember covid era hysteria and how we gave up our rights as a collective for some flu bug?
>It was always this way anon
I feel bad for people born post 9/11, they have no idea what was taken from them.
Anonymous No.213633681 >>213635443
S-Tier thread.
Anonymous No.213633777 >>213633897 >>213633962 >>213634079 >>213641369
>>213622558
It's a bit more complicated than a TL;DR but the gist of it is this:

1. For starters, the term Hypernormalization refers to how everyone in the Soviet Union in the late 1970s and 1980s knew damn fucking well that Communism failed and life was a literal hell on Earth of poverty and corruption with no way to get ahead. BUT the Soviet government basically was so fucking evil and refusing to admit that Communism failed, that under penalty of death or life imprisonment, you had to fucking eat shit, stay quiet, and publicly lie that life in the USSR was the best in all the world.

2. The film itself is a half dozen tangents loosely connected together by two central storylines:

The first is that Kissinger pretty much irrevocably turned Syria against the west by lying to it's leader to his face about how he wouldn't get Egypt to create a separate peace with Israel. This was due to Kissinger being terrified of a united Middle East and him preferring to keep everyone at each other's throats and using the Palestinian displacement by Israel to basically make the Middle East a cauldron of chaos unable to rise as a united power that would threaten the US/Russian dual system of world power.

The second was that after NYC went bankrupt, three things happened:

1. Banks started exerting power over politics, putting profits over helping the public/fixing the world's problems. This led to "too big to fail" and the idea that government shouldn't try and fix shit, but make things "more managable" because keeping society in stasis protected the status quo for the banks and big business.

2. That the left abandoned the pursuit of political power to instead capture control over pop culture and pushing the idea of "the political is personal", which is why the left got their asses kicked by Reagan and Bush I.

3. When Bush II took office, the internet became a containment zone for lefties to bitch and moan and not do shit to change the world.
Anonymous No.213633803
>>213632425
Bring back these beauty standards please
Anonymous No.213633853
When I saw a couple Curtis documentaries a few years ago my takeaway was that most people prefer simplified narratives (stories) over the complexities of reality. Politicians, businessmen, the technological elite use simple narratives of everlasting progress to get what they want. The issue is that sometimes these narratives are wildly out of sync with reality. A recent example would be the hype about AI.
>>213627765
Can you elaborate on what this chart is supposed to be
>>213628097
I'm reading it right now. The hard boiled part sucks, end of the world is pretty good.
Anonymous No.213633876 >>213635040 >>213635300
>>213633443
>ever increasing majority that was kept on the back burner. Kept on the slow bus going nowhere.
Spengler calls these the "fellaheen" masses, basically the human leftovers after the death of a civilization that has burnt through all of its cultural capital.
Anonymous No.213633879 >>213633897 >>213633962 >>213633979
Curtis then opines that as everything went to hell in the wake of Obama's election, because:

1. Obama wanted to seem hard on terrorist, so he killed Khudaffi (who Bush II had buck broken into becoming a US ally out of fear that he might be next for "regime change") and plunged Libya into civil war and that Syria is to blame for pretty much everything from suicide bombers to ISIS and eventually had case of "The tiger I sicced on my enemies finally ate my face" syndrome when the Syria civil war started.

2. The left started pushing Hypernormalization to silence critics over how bad things got under Obama, aided by Big Tech realizing how internet was like crack to people and using internet to as a tool to keep people bitching online instead of lynching Obama.

It ends with Curtis admitting that shit got so bad Brexit passed and Trump got elected to the Presidency, with the two being presented as what happens with the average person is tired of being fucked over .
Anonymous No.213633897 >>213634079
>>213633879
>>213633777
does he really say all this or does he gesture in the direction of these things?
Anonymous No.213633962 >>213634079
>>213633879
>>213633777

I never got the reason for the Syria stuff in the fim. So basically you are saying that because Obama decided to kill Khudoffi, that caused the Syrian civil war?
Anonymous No.213633979 >>213634104
>>213633879
>Obama
How is this different or worse from blatantly lying about WMD in Iraq? Or about Gulf of Tonkin?
Anonymous No.213634003 >>213634171
>>213622457 (OP)
>mfw John Denver
Anonymous No.213634022
>>213623167
I think he means the fitness model.
Anonymous No.213634067
>>213625816
>the fallacy that GDP going up means the average persons life has gotten better

geeIwonderwhocouldbebehindthispost.jpg
Anonymous No.213634079 >>213634111
>>213633897
Says it but in a convoluted disjointed sort of way.

>>213633962
As >>213633777 said, Kissinger turned Syria heel by lying to him about Egypt/Israel making peace and basically telling Asaad Sr that the US didn't give a shit about the Palestinian hordes running wild in the Middle East, destabilizing everyone, because it made Israel stronger and made the Middle East weak. So Asaad started funding terrorists and inventing the concept of Muslims committing suicide bombings and daring the US to do something about them.

Gaddafi was used as a scapegoat for the Asaad family's funding and use of terrorism in the Middle East in the 80s by Reagan, who didn't want a war with Syria because of their power and standing in the Arab world.

But Asaad died and his son took over and continued to fund terrorists via the insurgency and ISIS in Iraq, but when we decided to help rebels kill Gaddafi, the people in Syria decided to rebel against Asaad and basically used all of the dirty tricks Syria popularized against him. Which ties into the whole "fake reality" thing because had we gone after Asaad instead of Gaddafi, shit wouldn't be so bad in the middle east.
Anonymous No.213634104
>>213633979
Obama was the first President to push the Hypernormalization meme in the US because

A. he only put a bandaid on the collapse of the economy but said he saved it outright

B. he crushed Occupied Wall Street via identity politics

C. he smothered all criticism and problems in American society and what he couldn't cover up, he villified the people bringing it up.
Anonymous No.213634111 >>213634268 >>213634925
>>213634079
>Says it but in a convoluted disjointed sort of way.
this is my issue with adam. he goes from putin, to trump, to an obscure british politician from the 60's, to brexit, back to trump in like 10 minutes. I have a feeling that lots of people just pretend to understand what adam is saying. I guess I agree with his thesis that politicians don't know how to solve anything anymore so they create culture wars to distract the public and the public no longer sees a future where they can implement change because they don't even know what they want.

or at least thats what i think his work means.
Anonymous No.213634171
>>213634003
faggot ass redditor, leave.
Anonymous No.213634268
>>213634111
They're art films. They're about vibes moreso than narratives.
Anonymous No.213634559
>>213633265
This sounds like it will either be awesome or terrible.
Anonymous No.213634599 >>213634697
BUT THEN SOMETHING HAPPENED
Anonymous No.213634697
>>213634599
Did not.
Anonymous No.213634728
>>213633265
>finance and hyper-individualism came together in powerful ways, to undermine one of the fundamental structures of mass democracy–the shared idea of what is real
I'm sure he'll address mass imigration on this point as well.
>dark moments of racist attacks, suspicion of others, and modern paranoia about conspiracies in Britain’s past
Oh
Anonymous No.213634832
>>213622558
it can primarily be summed up as ~the rise of neoliberalism~ from it's origin in capitalists war with labor unions, it's mechanism in politics, culture, finance, the war machine and ending with the hopeful signs that their world order is in the process of collapsing,
Anonymous No.213634865
>just watched it
thumbing through a bit on the time-slider
>not life changing
def kino-tier
Anonymous No.213634893 >>213634960
I feel like when you know everything around you is fake and you're actively being discouraged and prevented from doing anything about it, you either become more discouraged or radicalized. What the hell can actually be done about this?
Anonymous No.213634925
>>213634111
i charitably believe he does it on purpose because it's generally believed someone needs to hear a thing multiple times for it to stick and so presenting the information in a confusing disjointed (but ultimately complete) way spurs people to rewatch.
Anonymous No.213634960 >>213635157
>>213634893
he shouts out David Graeber because Graeber RIP showed the way.
Anonymous No.213635040
>>213633876
We're living in a corpse and we don't even know it.
Anonymous No.213635063 >>213635083
don't love the cosmos
>or the things that are in the cosmos
when you love the cosmos the love of the father isn't in you
>the cosmos and it's wishes
are dying
Anonymous No.213635083
>>213635063
don't be molded to the cosmos
>instead be transformed
by refreshing your mind
Anonymous No.213635157 >>213636959
>>213634960
Love David Graeber. He was a real gem. I recommend watching the debate he did with Peter Thiel called “Where did the future go?”. Tells you all you need to know about both men, as well as the microcosm, macrocosm, and worldviews they represent. Very fitting for this thread in fact. Everything really is a fractal…
Anonymous No.213635171
>>213631755
thanks. saved me three hours.
Anonymous No.213635183
>>213624204
I love his shot but this is still so true.
Anonymous No.213635300
>>213633876
Yes. This. Thank you !
Anonymous No.213635443 >>213635661
>>213633681
shit tier indeed
Anonymous No.213635514 >>213636736
>>213632495
>Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More
Interesting, so it's almost like all that is solid just suddenly melts into air?
Anonymous No.213635588 >>213635661
BORING
Anonymous No.213635661
>>213635443
>>213635588
Hehe nice contributions faggots
Anonymous No.213635992
>>213632812
Because I'm smarter than you, have a higher IQ than you, and am overall better at researching and pattern recognition than your dysgenic ass could ever imagine being. Your genes are worthless and I hope you're castrated.
Anonymous No.213635999
I hate the house of Saud
Anonymous No.213636334
Some slav is seething in her for monetary gain over traumazone isn't he
Anonymous No.213636572
>>213632578
And don't forget it went hand in hand with Corprotism taking over and masquerading as Capitalism since the 70s/80s.
Anonymous No.213636656 >>213636949
Recommend this book for anyone who liked the documentary
Anonymous No.213636736 >>213636804
>>213635514
No it means everyone thought they were building an eternal empire until they 'sold' it for cases of vodka. And now Putin is the richest man on Earth.
Anonymous No.213636764
>>213632533
>No really, I'm honestly curious.
why do you talk like that?
Anonymous No.213636766
>>213626372
The microplastics in my child and I's brain say otherwise.
Anonymous No.213636804 >>213637051
>>213636736
I honestly just like quoting Marx bro.
Anonymous No.213636842
Curtis's narration makes me cringe. that's why his best docs are just footage like the Fall of the USSR one.
Anonymous No.213636938
>>213631755
Yes and no. He definitely argues that earlier times conformed to this rigidity but makes a clear assertion that this is dramatically changing, mainly though these
>Blackrock's Aladdin and Rentech basically destroying the foundations of society with arcane maths
>Russian post-modern constructed reality, where in the state has so much power they control all narratives, including those against the state
Anonymous No.213636949
>>213636656
Based literate anon.
Anonymous No.213636959 >>213637177
>>213635157
He is the guy that wrote about bullshit jobs?
Anonymous No.213637051
>>213636804
That's cool, I appreciate that.
Anonymous No.213637177
>>213636959
yeah that's one of his viral hits but DEBT THE FIRST 5000 YEARS is his GOAT book
Anonymous No.213637351 >>213637425
>>213622457 (OP)
>putin is le bad and russia is literally an evil empire!
wow, that was eye-opening, you won't see that in mainstream media
Anonymous No.213637425
>>213637351
putin is bad and russia is an evil empire
trump is bad and the us is an evil empire
don't let reflexive contrarianism poison your brain
Anonymous No.213637592
It’s about the Simpsons.
Anonymous No.213638390 >>213639473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1bX3F7uTrg
Anonymous No.213638455
>>213626128
But can you buy a house?
Anonymous No.213638526
>>213631755
people are mentally ill because moms are in control and mom = satan
Anonymous No.213639080 >>213639331
>>213631755
I see, but so what?
How would this change your life in any way except causing more people to think like picrel.
Anonymous No.213639331 >>213639409
>>213639080
It doesn’t, and it also doesn’t give you any tools to actually navigate the world because it doesn’t accurately reflect the actual narratives driving reality

If someone has it it all figured out, theyre rich or powerful, not bitching on the margins.
>“But we’re powerless because the system XYZ”
History is filled with retards changing the world.

The perspective presented by the piece is that of a navel gazing outsider with no agency
Anonymous No.213639397
>>213626128
Agree, and yet..
Anonymous No.213639409
>>213639331
Grow up

Literally any new info you get changes your life, info about full country policies lasting 40 years change your life a lot, what if I told you may had been under survelliance since 1998?
Anonymous No.213639473
>>213638390
I rather dislike quick editing. Always felt cheap and somehow rude to me. Thus, the collage format displeases me on an aesthetic and moral level.
Anonymous No.213639556
>>213622457 (OP)
He's still not saying the quiet part, which is that people are dumb animals that deserve to be farmed like cattle.
Anonymous No.213639873
>>213631528

it's good, although it's essentially a modern history of the UK from the 60s-00s just to temper your expectations
Anonymous No.213640364
>>213632533
Dumb sophistic argument. No one is blaming jews for stubbing their toes.
Anonymous No.213641369
>>213622558
the fact you can't get a simple straight answer shows how handwavy and retarded this docu is, i gave up after 10 or 15 mins
>>213631755
>words words words
>all amounts to 2008 occupy wallstreet buying shit is le bad
cute
>>213633777
>nobody misses the soviet union
>banks only got into politics in 70s nyc
mega l0lz