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>While the Disney-produced King of the Hill revival may have delivered in terms of its writing, its animation was just as disappointingly stiff and lifeless as early previews had suggested – and while many fans were hoping it would bear something akin to the original’s hand-drawn aesthetic, showrunner Saladin K. Patterson says that such a goal is near “impossible” in the current era.
>Asked by White if he could “talk about the decision-making” that went into King of the Hill’s new ‘flat’ animation style, Patterson bluntly admitted to his host that said change was an unfortunate side-effect of the industry’s move towards cost-cutting and digitization:

>can't go back to the moon
>can't make good looking animation
I don't like this future

you vill consvme the stiff and lifeless animation

>>213644623 (OP)
Even if this were true, which I doubt, that doesn't excuse the animation looking so bad.

I bet AI can do it

>>213644655
Should have voted to protect unions and skilled labor

It wasn't that bad. dale, khan, and ted sounded like shit tho

Like we have any control over when the writers wanna kill us, we are like characters for them they ship us and play with us in their heads and in their posts like we were puppets

I thought telling the ai to add some irony to it would improve things

If it doesn't press 2

>>213644825
I would have if I could have

>>213644843
>Like we have any control over when the writers wanna kill us
Please take your meds

Peggy always looks like she's added into the scene as an afterthought, she never seems like she's actually looking directly at anyone and was shooped in.

>>213644655
Nobody has ever said we "can't" go back to the moon, that's a meme. What people say is that there isn't the financial infrastructure to just repeatedly launch rockets to or in orbit of the moon. That might change if NASA greenlights their plans to visit the moon in a few years but now with this maniac in office cutting their funding, who fucking knows?

>>213644832
>dale, khan, and ted sounded like shit tho
they had had new VAs

>>213645050
>killing the space shuttle replacement project that was 15 years behind schedule, billions over budget, had no time table for production, and even when it would be would ready it would cost 85x more per launch than a Space X rocket carrying a larger payload is being a madman

>>213644623 (OP)
>tfw pens and pencils don't exist anymore

>>213644877
Meds taken

Oh no you are vanishing cause you were a fictitional text on the internet

>>213645100
I know, whoever did dale at least tried to sound like him.

>>213645050
Obama killed the US space program.

>>213645114
>he's a trumptard
in what way do you want all that nonsense explained to you?

>>213645343
No he didn't, zoomie

>>213645357
>in what way do you want all that nonsense explained to you?
Lovingly, like a caring wife.

>Hank questions Bobby's in King of the Hill Season 14 Episode 2
Another great writer online

>>213645385
No, I'll talk to you like a disappointed mother soft parenting her retarded son:

Well, sweetie, what do we call a private space program with barely any successful launches and no long-term plans to deliver outside of just pretending they are doing "well" because the President is subsidizing the company? Do we call that "ready"? Sweetums? Do we put our thinking caps on and ask hmmmm why would a President, who has been given a few dozen million dollars from Elon, who owns Space X, have an incentive to kill NASA's public funding right before they patent for a new schematic for a moon rocket set to launch in a few years?

Gee...

>>213645380
Yes he did I'm 42 and hated Obama for cutting the space program. His fault STS was retired early.

>>213644623 (OP)
It can be done but will be more expensive, wich i agree with the comments technology is supposed to make good things easier, and the opposite is happening

>>213645468
Lmao SLS costs 2.2 billion fucking dollars per launch you dumb fucking faggot. Spacex is wholly superior. The super heavy booster is proven. The SLS Orion capsule can barely make it through rentry heating it's such fucking trash.

the animation is the same as the first 13 seasons, you guys are retarded

I don't know if I believe this, there are current anime that show that you can definitely emulate the older styles with modern tools, I think it's more likely that these companies just don't want to spend any money.

>>213645468
Damn nigga its time for suicide

>>213645050
>financial infrastructure
The finacial infrastructure is there, what's not there is the drive
Some people to this day think we went to the moon "for science"

>>213645050
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2015/12/11/how-we-lost-the-ability-to-travel-to-the-moon/?sh=5591709a1f48

The Saturn V rocket had over three million parts. The command and service modules and lunar module were composed of millions of additional parts. An individual person cannot contemplate the scale of detail needed to assemble and operate those vehicles.

So, when the Apollo program ended, the factories that assembled those vehicles were retasked or shut down. The jigs were disassembled. The molds were destroyed. The technicians, engineers, scientists, and flight controllers moved onto other jobs. Over time, some of the materials used became obsolete.

If we, today, said - "Let us build another Saturn V rocket and Apollo CSM/LEM and go to the moon!" it would not be a simple task of pulling out the blueprints and bending and cutting metal.

We don't have the factories or tools. We don't have the materials. We don't have the expertise to understand how the real vehicle differed from the drawings. We don't have the expertise to operate the vehicle.

We would have to substitute modern materials. That changes the vehicle. It changes the mass, it changes the stresses and strains, it changes the interactions. It changes the possible malfunctions. It changes the capabilities of the vehicle.

We would have to spend a few years re-developing the expertise. We would have to conduct new tests and simulations. We would have to draft new flight rules and procedures. We would have to certify new flight controllers and crew.

We would essentially be building a new vehicle.

>>213645239
Yeah people in entertainment have this rhetoric all the time, but the truth is they just have zero ambition and want to make slop and collect a paycheck.

>>213645851
See my post retard. >>213645847

>>213644825
I’m finally sold on this point, really just for the skilled labor like guilds used to be. We could still have tricolor baka
>>213645847
Dark Age bros… are we back?

>>213645635
This. They just don’t want to pay.

>>213644825
no way fag unions were overwhelmingly lefty demonrats

Where hilarious in Beavis and Butthead, Simpsons, etc was considered budget animation when they came out. Yet it looks a million times better then then the garbage now

>>213645559
...and it costs Space X double to produce literally nothing that works. I can't believe trumpfags fell for the Elon memes about his money laundering scheme that is Space X.

>>213645635
What show?

>>213645050
>Nobody has ever said we "can't" go back to the moon
yes, that's exactly what they said

>>213645963
Animation has also gone way downhill. Good luck finding someone with actual artistic talent after an entire generation graduated from Calarts

>>213645847
>>213645905
>>213646020
This is not "we CANT" this is just "it's expensive", you realize that's different...right?

>>213645905
>aNiMaTing CartOoN LiKe mAkInG RoCkET!
You’re a faggot.

>>213645847
>We would have to conduct new tests and simulations. We would have to draft new flight rules and procedures. We would have to certify new flight controllers and crew.
yes faggot, that tends to be what you need to do when you set up any launch...

>>213645492
Why is someone as old as you on 4chan instead of enjoying life with their family?

>>213645847
Why would a nigga build a damn rocket whip that can go to the MOON and just stop doin all that? These niggas just went up there and checked it like “aight, let’s go home before soul train comes on” and never went back? That’s some bs man. All imma say is, if that was a nigga like me? I’d be going back every day smoking moonrocks and fuckin space bitches. But thats me tho. How you gone build a rocket ship and not go back? Answer that mr oppenwahteva tf you call it.

>>213644825
lmao, animators are literally unionized. it's the cost of union animators that pushed the industry into doing it this way

>>213645969
>i don't want to support strong unionized labor and ultimately better prices for workers because my sports team and their sports team!

>>213645905
>comparing the moon landing with a drawing
I'm glad AI is replacing you

>>213644623 (OP)
It's a dead format

>>213644623 (OP)
>its animation was just as disappointingly stiff and lifeless as early previews had suggested

Animation has been shitty for the better part of the last decade. You just didn't notice because you don't watch new cartoons (and I don't blame you).

>>213644623 (OP)
>doesn't train an AI model to overlay the old look into the new animation
They're just lazy/stupid and cheap.

>>213646096
Because I’m actually trans btw

>>213645560
No it isn't.

>>213646034
I think 2D animation is going to make a comeback. With AI now, CGI shit now
looks generic. Nobody is excited seeing it now.

>>213646121
Pehaps Meat Canyon will save us..
Probably not though lmao

>>213645949
It wouldn't be "skilled labor guilds" it would be troons and other subhuman lefties gatekeeping who can work

>>213646192
Rent free.

>>213646147
The AI model would also look bad, that's why no one has done that yet.

>>213644623 (OP)
Oh yeah this is totally true
If Flash dying killed a lot of animation tools so I can't imagine what losing other older 2D tools toonboom and animate are both ugh
>>213644825
animators are unionized, it's why they killed the costs everywhere else

>>213645998
Think of all the B movies, direct to video, made for TV and fucking pornography that was shot on film that looks better than major multi million dollar films today.

>>213645847
Sure. Make a new one.
What's the problem

>>213645755
>no argument
K

>>213644623 (OP)
What was the last thing Disney produced that wasn't cheap looking slop?

>>213646017
My Dress-Up Darling Season 2

>>213644655
Its almost like replacing whites with browns also replaces white capabilities with brown capabilities

>>213646139
so turns out they were right, since drawing has become a useless skill because of ai

>>213646278
Sounds retarded

>>213646200
Nah nigga yall done paid the mortgage, insurance, and property taxes with all that crazy shit the last 10 years. Yall more confused than a chameleon in a bag of skittles

>>213646014
>literally nothing that works.
522 successive falcon missions
18 Crew Dragon missions
Starlink
4 super heavy booster catches.

Lmao shut the fuck up faggot leftist. Go back.

>>213645050
Is he really a maniac if they couldn't figure out how to go back to the moon after 55 years? Seems like they're just sucking on the teat of the taxpayers and accomplishing nothing.

>>213644655
Just wait till we use all the easily available oil.
That's when the game will truly be over.

>>213646375
we have all the necessary tech to replace it, it's a matter of will, not resources

>>213644623 (OP)
>huge studio says "we can't do it because it's impossible now"
Meanwhile, a couple of fucking canucks with a dream made Cuphead.

>>213646096
I cut circulation to my scrotum while jerking with my balls on top of my track pants which had sharp elastic. The blood vanished as did the size of my balls. I was too embarrassed to go to the ER as I was living with family in the 00s. I've been sterile ever since. Does that answer your question, faggot? Why aren't you with your family?

>>213646139
It's just gonna get worse AI will do everything
There aren't even any artists left to replace

>>213644785
yeah but all these faggots wanna pretend that AI tools don't exist so they can give handouts to their oh so special animators using some arcane combination of licensed adobe software

>>213646408

>meanwhile, the cartoon of said game is animated like Spongebob

>>213646408
Not the best example since it took them like 7 years and the lead dev mortgaging his house.

>>213646315
anon, you've talked about trannies non stop for a decade.

What's the point of making a cartoon if it's all going to be tweened and stiff?

>>213646213
Style transfers have come a long way, you can take any picture and make it look like KotH once trained (remember all the Ghibli pics from OpenAI's model). There's also tools out there that will do it even without training.

>>213644655
It's the competency crisis and it can only get catastrophically worse from now on, enough sane white men won't be around to undue DEI hires' disasters forever. Wait until it fully hits infrastructure, health systems, food production, etc.

>>213646493
It was two guys doing that shit from home. Imagine what a whole well-paid team of those guys could do.

>>213646408
they did and it nearly killed them

>>213644623 (OP)
>people exist
>art lessons exist
>pencils exist
>cels exist
>cameras exist
The tools absolutely exist. They just require effort.

>>213646530
>remember all the Ghibli pics from OpenAI's model
Yea, they looked like shit and none of them were animated.
Sorry bro, AI is never going to result in anything high quality because it's just used to save a buck.
It's like saying that farming out all animation to jeets and flips will result in better animation.

>>213646506
Nigga if you see a clown are you not finna laugh? Cmon bruhbruh keep up

>>213644623 (OP)
What was the last time cartoons didn't look stiff as shit?

>>213646600
yes millions and millions of effort

>>213646573
>they did and it nearly killed them
>they did
And they succeeded. What's the big infinite money studios' excuse? If two guys from canada can do it, why can't Hollywood?

>>213646573
Good. Real art is suffering and deprivation.

>>213646610
2004

>>213646625
No. Just more than what Hollywood is willing to give. The original KOTH didn't have a massive budget.

>>213646278
Clearly not

>>213646411
NTA but really? You fapstrated yourself?

>a literally who shitty low budget anime can have good animation
>a high budget famous cartoon can't get anything but half-assed tweened shit
Why is it like this

>>213646343
>you are a "leftist" if you are critical of Space X and how half the time Elon is lying to shareholders

>>213646669
No, it is.

>>213646635
Hollywood doesn't want to inspire people with human ingenuity, excellence, and high effort? Hollywood doesn't want to be impressive. The kikes and nepo kids now just want money and cheap ways to make it. That's it.

>>213646692
Yes. Wearing briefs is super uncomfortable because they're designed for people with a normal sized scrotum and given mine has shrunk into nothing and its mostly just hanging skin it's extremely uncomfortable unless the briefs are really tight. I would not recommend it.

>>213645635
You can see that's new immediately you cannot replicate hand drawn colors and painting with digital tools at all it's immediately apparent

>>213646756
Pyw

>>213646663
i believe the guy in that there is zero possibility you could animate something of original KOTH for original KOTH budget. animators charge a retarded amount of money now

>>213644655
I was told globalization and automation was going to make everything better and cheaper

>>213644655
The competency crisis is just beginning.

>>213646743
How do you know you’re sterile then? You could try squeezing goonjuice out like it’s a ketchup packet

> The hand-drawn animation, the water colors, those don’t exist anymore. If they exist, they certainly don’t exist at a cost where you can do a TV show. So it has to be updated, and so we updated it with the current style and makeup of animation that animated shows do.

>“I admit it does look different and maybe jarring to some people. I just want to put out there that even though it’s updated, we still went and tried to give it an age old look, to make it feel more like the color palette and the landscape of the original, more so than other shows. We certainly went through a lot of back and forth with the background designers and things like that, to make our colors feel closer to what they felt in the original and the tones and things the most that we could.

>>213646782
>animators charge a retarded amount of money now
Just the ones that are known.

>>213646605
it's obsession, you are currently the only one even talking about them in this thread.

financially support shitty youtube animators

>>213646711
>how half the time Elon is lying to shareholders
Spacex doesn't have shareholders. Tesla does. But you were focused on the space program for which:
- 522 successful Falcon launches.
- 18 successful Crew Dragon crewed missions to the ISS.
- 8000 Starlink satellites in a LEO constellation serving 134 countries and 6 million customers and 6.8 billion in revenue.
- 4 successful super heavy booster catches.

>>213646836
>If they exist
The sheer kikery of this motherfucker. Of course watercolors exist.

>>213645050
You're fucking retarded. It's not a funding issue, it's a cultural issue. NASA has been forced to become extremely risk averse after the shuttle disasters. That means they have to take lliteral decades spending tens of billions of dollars developing the most "safe" system possible using legacy technology and hardware. Their "new" moon rocket, SLS, is literally using 1970's technology and cost 5 Billion a launch while being much less capable than the Saturn V. The culture of the 1960's doesn't exist anymore at NASA. If it wasn't for SpaceX who are literally a decade ahead of the rest of the world American spaceflight would be practically none existent.

>>213646876
I don't think you understand the conversation I was trying to have earlier, but you just want to dick ride this fucking faggot some more I guess.

>>213646756
if someone really, really wanted to, you could definitely replicate it flawlessly, it's just not worth it. viewers don't care that much about perfectly recreating the quirks of physical paint and the way light shines through a cel pinhole, and simulating physical tweening would be ludicrously laborious, just like it was when everything was physical, for a niche audience

>>213646875
Even shitty youtube animators are better than what hollywood's pumping out now.
There was a time when Hollywood was the world's greatest entertainment thinktank. Inventors working their asses off at coming up with the craziest shit to put onscreen.
Now Hollywood's a septic tank.

>>213646876
>sometimes the spaceship that's supposed to bring people to Mars in a few years randomly explodes
whoopsies

>>213644825
You have to pay union workers way more than they're worth and it makes it impossible to fire them. So they can be lazy half assed pieces of shit and get away with it

>>213646836
>the water colors, those don’t exist anymore.
Ufuckingwotm8?

>>213646816
I got tested, obviously. My dick got fractured while losing my virginity to my 2 years older cunting gf at the time, 10 years before that incident. And then the long and high dose roaccutane at 15 later made me totally impotent by 2002. It's a lost cause, fren.

>>213644623 (OP)
>Disney produced
>Tools for traditional animation don't exist anymore

>>213646849
no, all american animators cost significantly more than they once did. shit like MTV was reliant on the existence of young and ambitious animators willing to work at a significant discount. that's not something that exists pretty much at all anymore, and even if it did Disney subsidiaries would be precluded from taking advantage of it by all their union contracts

>>213645343
he killed the shuttle program, but the shuttle program never accomplished its goals of making space flight cheaper so the right thing was to do was cut the program. elon musk's reusable rockets are a continuation of the shuttle program's initial mission

>>213644655
You don't understand chud king of the hill remake is better than the original and yes we can't go back to the moon because climate change or something

>>213646836
>"updating" involves making something much worse than before

>>213646948
every time, in fact, until it doesn't. that's how physically iterative engineering works

>>213646916
>you just want to dick ride this fucking faggot some more I guess.
No, I just hate lying redditors. Elon can be a colossal dick and is hard to like most of the time.

>>213646876
And NASA has a 85 percent success rate on over 115 missions and it wasn't at the behest of a South African diamond mine lord who straight up lies about technology he made up while on crack.

>>213646014
HAHAHAHAHA no it fucking doesn't. US tax payers has spent almost a 80 fucking Billion dollars on SLS development. A rocket using 1970 technology that is so under performing it can't barely bring half to TLI than Saturn V. It cost over 5 Billion a launch nowadays. It's absurd how fucking expensive it is. SpaceX spent literally 1/80th the amount on their Falcon 9 development program, which is now the most successful, reliable and cheapest rocket every. Even Starship has "only" cost around 7 Billion in development so far and is a FAR FAR FAR more technologically advanced and capable system than SLS.

Fucking retarded secondary redditors obsessed with Musk.

>>213646710
>>a literally who shitty low budget anime can have good animation

This is what Fist of the North Star gets in 2025

>>213644655
The media says the reboot is good, therefore it's good. Don't question the experts, chud. That's dangerous to democracy,

>>213645239
Why is it they dont want to draw?

>>213644623 (OP)
The talent pool for traditional animators must be tiny now

>>213647047
I'd love to see a source on that infographic.

>>213647061
Good, we don't need more FotNS, move on already.

This does not exist any more

Even Ghibli the last of the die hards are dead

Moontards seethimg ITT

>>213646948
Yes, that's called iterative design you retard. They deliberately remove ablative tiles to observe how the ship handles renetry burning. It's called 'testing'. Are you familiar with the concept? No one is supposed to be on starship block 2. They've already got another 6 new ships under construction. They are readying a new block 2 ship for launch later this month. It's on the orbital launch mount being tested right now.

>>213647099
move on to what? modern properties are so dead they are reviving psyren and other ancient shit

>>213647033
>he's just hard to like
he's literally an enemy of the State but ok, kid gloves I suppose.

>>213646710
They don't need high quality because suckers will consooom anything with a title they know and liked on it, so all that money will go straight to cover for the other failed projects of the company.

>>213647133
>move on to what
In your case? Preferably the grave.

If it wasn't for Elon's autism, a Mars mission wouldn't happen until the 2060s, and more likely just isn't going to happen.

>>213647047
It takes too long to explain how and why you are wrong so here's a (you)

>>213646966
i think he just literally doesn't know what the tools are actually capable of. presumably he's a part of the same system that produces modern family guy and american dad and whatever, and is not invested in the tech outside of that. frankly, the biggest issue with the new style is the lack of shading, and that's pure laziness. like, look at the image in the OP, hank isn't even using fucking two-toned shading. the most bottom of the barrel anime still manages to use two, decent stuff will sprinkle in three. kabaneri literally developed a whole production process just to try and maximize their shading and had artists whose entire job was just to work on the coloring of characters' eyes.
Disney's tv animators are very very lazy

>>213647039
so what? the goal was never to get into space, the goal was to make getting into space significantly cheaper which we didn't do

They could emulate it digitally. I’ve seen recent examples

>>213647128
Ok I will leave you with your copium.

>>213647039
>South African diamond mine lord
The mine was in Zambia, not SA. Zambia had no apartied. The mine was an emerald mine, not a diamond mine. His father had a share in an emerald mine worth only 300,000. So, a small share of 300k. Please stop embarrassing yourself by repeating the things you read on reddit, taking them at face value and believing them to be true because you want them to be true.

>>213645468
lmao what a massive FAGGOT

>>213646862
You nuttier than a squirrel trynna bury a cashew in concrete. You’d be talkin too if the circus came to town and never left. Getcho shit together dawg, what u think this is, the booty scratchin contest?

>>213647142
>he's literally an enemy of the State
Go back to plebbit predditor, I beg you.

Don’t they hire a studio from overseas to do everything?

so what do the kids learn in art school and calarts these days

>>213647249
how to be queer

>>213647202
>your copium.
You mean facts. Why are you so allergic to facts? You can just google (or chat GPT) and verify everything I've told you.

>>213647157
Oh it wasn't a conversation you wanted

fine fuck off and be done with it then

>>213647061
QRD? Is there a new show or something? Is it that rotoscoped crap like CLANKzerk?

>>213647249
In art school you learn how to write those blurbs you see on a plaque next to the art.

>>213646972
You can’t even goon/fap/masturbate/jerkoff? That’s very grim friend. No wonder you’ve mastered rocket science. No distractions

>>213646997
>young ambitious people don't exist anymore
Bullshit.

>>213647182
I'm mostly wondering what the fuck he means when he says watercolors just flat out don't exist, it's such a retarded thing to say.

>>213647088
It's actually outdated, the cost are FAR higher nowadays.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/05/white-house-budget-seeks-to-end-sls-orion-and-lunar-gateway-programs/
>Over 4 Billion USD for a regular SLS launch
https://zapatatalksnasa.com/2024/02/21/sls-and-orion-costs-the-third-rail-of-cost-estimating/
>Over 85 Billion USD in development costs
https://web.archive.org/web/20240607074502/https://www.spacex.com/media/Capabilities&Services.pdf
>70 Million USD per Falcon 9 launch in 2024
https://payloadspace.com/rocket-development-costs-by-vehicle-payload-research/
>550 Million USD Falcon 9 development costs in 2024

So nowadays you could actually launch well over 100 falcon 9's. And that's ignoring that SpaceX mark up Falcon 9 heavily since it's the only reusable rocket in the world it actually costs them around 15 Million USD to launch it rather than 70.

>>213647168
You can't explain because you're a retarded secondary obsessed with Musk. NASA's culture is absolute fucking garbage, it's to blame. They aren't allowed to do shit.

>>213647314
Then where are they

>>213644623 (OP)
Its a lie to say that because the tools do still exist and I will go one step further in saying that its the job of the executive of photography to create those tools or filters to recapture the look of the old show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g799-4rB0IM
This shows how you can recapture that look of the animation now as it was then.

YOU CAN DO IT!
Its just its cheaper to not do it, and tween assets.

They use Toonboom to do the animation, there is a french animation program that exists that can capture the look they want but they wont spend the $1000 for the program.

>>213644623 (OP)
>impossible to recreate well loved TV series
then DON'T

>>213647317
Maybe the specific brand or colors were discontinued.

>>213646889
he means there isn't a readily available workforce that can do that process. don't be retarded.

>>213644825
>bro you should've been alive to vote against the boomers on every issue which mattered
FUCK YOU
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>>213646062
Same shit you semantic jew.

>>213647327
working a gas station because nobody will hire them. The companies need to hires everyone's kids and buttbuddies.

>>213647352
where did they go?

>>213647352
There is, but they're not as cheap as the studio would like.
It's the same reason movie studios try to say fills can't look as good anymore, when what they really mean is that they don't want to pay a decent cree to produce a film that looks good.

>>213647314
no, no, they certainly exist. i included that to explain why mtv animation was good, but its existence was predicated on the fact that those animators were willing to work for cheap. people with skill in the industry are not willing to do do that now, first because they all live in california with california cost of living, and second because they all graduate with modern levels of art school debt they need to pay off.
and again, even if you had a stable of animators willing to work for 90s mtv salaries, Disney can't hire them because they've already made commitments to the unions

>>213647311
I ejaculate immediately if i try. No time to enjoy anything. Putting on a condom makes me ejaculate lmao. It's fucked bro. Fucked balls. Fucked dick. You're damn right I used my time to focus on academics instead. Big picture STEM helps take my mind off my earthly horrors and reminds me that my suffering doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things.

>>213647408
>those animators were willing to work for cheap.
So look somewhere that isn't california. Again, two canadians were doing that shit for free.

>>213647317
i really think it's because he's got ANIMATION DOMINATION production process blinders. he does not know about the tools outside of his core competency, and he is not curious to learn

Digitial animation can still look good. Even Smiling Friends looks good in places.
No one is forcing people to use motion tweens.

>>213647208
Lol his dad owned it you fucking retard. Are we really trying to defend the emerald mine?

>>213644623 (OP)
Still not a good excuse for it looking like a flash animation.

>>213647469
Reddit moment. This shit got deboooonked ages ago.

>>213647439
Disney cannot because they have contracts with their unions. Everybody with the money to fund animation has made contracts with the unions. You could start a company that only hires non-union animators, but you would then get blackballed from ever working with union animators, so it's a hard sell.

>>213644825
This but unironically.

>>213647235
>an unelected goon quid pro quos the president to the tune of millions and then illegally sets up a program run by retarded teenagers to rip through sens tive IRS and retirement data
>this is fine

>>213647484
>Disney cannot because they have contracts with their unions
Who the fuck's saying Disney has to do it?

>>213647484
>blackballed from ever working with union animators
Oh no that sucks. I'd hate to never work with snobs who ask too much for simple animation.

>>213647499
Disney produced King of the Hill, and is therefore the primary topic of conversation. But if you read as far as the second sentence of my post, you will note I anticipated your reply and included reasons that other companies are in the same bind.

>>213647390
they retired and their replacements were not trained in the same way

>>213647480
Sigh.
>>213647469
Redditors ignore facts. Only feelings are real and if they feel Errol was a trillionaire emerald mine slaver mega villan then that's what they'll believe. You can't reason an irrational person out of an irrational position.

>>213644623 (OP)
>PENCILS AND PAPER AND A CAMERA?! ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE? WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET THOSE ANCIENT ARTIFACTS?!

>>213644623 (OP)
SATURDAY SUN....I MET SOMEONE!
GOTTA GET BACK TO SAN FRANTONIO

>>213647499
What are the other options? WB and who else?

>>213647565
I think they do want to stop making those things and just have people on the computer all the time.

>>213647527
I don't disagree, but they're legit like 99% of your possible workforce. Even outside of direct animator hires, studios often outsource things like backgrounds, tweening, etc, and if you've pissed off the unions then you can't work with any union shops, which means you also have to commit to doing the entire production in house, from beginning to end.
None of this is impossible, but it's not easy either. Oh, also, probably the streaming services refuse to work with you, because they all do production now, too, and have union contracts.

>>213647575
Betting real money that whoever makes good animation next isn't gonna be anyone we've ever heard of. Those "options" are obstacles. They're jerking themselves off to death and hoping going cheaper and cheaper will make them stay relevant.

>>213647548
They trained them wrong? seems like a pretty big fuck up

>>213644825
Unions don't work in a global economy where you can easily hire someone on the other side of the planet

>>213647426
I wonder how far humanity would advance if we could not be bogged down by our base desires. How has it affected your life if you don’t mind me asking that sounds intense. What do you mean by the blood “vanished” If all else fails you can always use your stem magic to build a RocketCock

>>213647623
Or just replace you with AI

>>213647493
Mind broken. You're too far gone. You're scared of highly-qualified college graduates doing supposedly worse damage than 50yo obese nigger government bureaucrat Karens. Like what the fuck bro? Lmao. Think about the hysteria you've bought into.

>>213647401
you're underestimating how knowledge transfer works. high-level skills are not learned in schools, they are passed down by working with the previous generation of masters. if everyone switches to a new meme technology and this interrupts that generational education process you can't just arbitrarily restart it later. the new people don't know the old way of working and the old people are already dead/retired.

I remember a youtube video from a few months ago of one of the animation union heads saying they fucked up their negotiations and the industry in America is fucked now

>>213647622
i already asked you not to be retarded

>>213646062
No we can't, Trump allowed Elon to put 12,000 satellites in orbit, which increased space junk so much that its now impossible to go to the Moon without the rocket being hit and destroyed by the debris

>>213647208
Lol imagine needing to defend Elon with your /pol/tard cope

>>213645468
Elon is a fag but spacex and starlink are legit game changers you moron. Fuck tesla tho

>>213647695
I wonder if any retards will fall for this bait

>>213647695
source: my ass

>>213647632
>If all else fails you can always use your stem magic to build a RocketCock
As one of my surgeons told me a few years back — surgery is not magic. Biology is much more difficult to fix than engineering.
And Issac Newton is your clear answer. Developed calculus at the age of 24 while away in isolation for years avoiding the Great Bubonic Plague of London.

>>213647692
so they just taught them how to be shit on purpose????

WOW

>>213647664
the animation processes and procedures used in the mid-20th century are well documented enough that it probably wouldn't be that hard to revive, it's not like fogbank where it was lost completely. plus, all of that was relatively young and uncomplex to begin with, Don Bluth has talked in interviews about how much they had to re-invent on the fly when they split away from Disney

>>213647711
Elon is the only space billionaire who has never gone to space. Virtually all of his rockets explode so he doesn't dare.

>>213647702
>Lol imagine needing to defend Elon with your /pol/tard cope
Cope and seethe predditor.

>>213647695
those so-called "satellites" are actually human remains launched into space by the biden administration in a desperate bid to lower the trans suicide rate by reclassifying them as MIA astronauts

>>213647731
Is it bait? Some of these predittors are certifiable retards.

>>213647784
Will trumpcels ever stop crying about Biden?

We can't do space shit anymore because we chose to import endless brownoids and take take care of obese blacks instead. And now the people who would have had entire careers dedicated to engineering experimental aircraft and spacecraft instead make phone apps and data mining shit so they can know how best to market and sell goyslop.

This might be the future of American animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wax1rmvnoDs

>>213647711
What game has it changed? Oh wow some rural brownoids can now post about their latest bowel movements on twitter. Thank you starlink, very cool.

>>213647858
a cityslicker made this post

>>213647784
kek

>>213647638
>highly qualified
>literal teenager with a twitter handle of "Big balls"
lol this is bait?

>>213647827
this is in your head

>>213647809
>Dude, that was almost a whole year ago. Like, move on!

>>213647373
It literally isn't

>>213647827
I thought America didn't have public health care.

>>213647480
It's literally never been debunked lol why are you lying for?

>>213647896
>post pic of all the pink haired trannies in dog masks that were working in the White House and Pentagon the last 4 years

>>213647896
If you're +150IQ that graduated top of the class at the most prestigious universities in the world and doing shit like developing AI tools to read the text of 3000 year old burnt up Greek scrolls as a kid you're definitely most qualified in data management than 99% of politicians and their pets that would otherwise do it

>>213647960
that's gonna be difficult because it didn't happen

>>213647952
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-father-errol-never-owned-emerald-mine-telling-truth-2023-9

>>213647638
>using your eyes and ears
>"hysteria"
cool, Trump is still a pedo though.

Can we back to discussing King of the Hill

>>213647991
another thing we're sweeping under the rug, I see.

>>213648007
lol everyone stop the presses! His paid biographer said so!

>>213648091
I accept your concession.

>>213648091
Cant wait until faggots start claiming Elon never raw dogged Grimeth.

>>213647973
Anon lol come on

>>213648117
It's not a concession retard, the mine exists, the people who owned stakes in it are alive. You are just coping because the story makes his family seem comically evil...which they are.

I wonder what your cope is about Errol being sympathetic to the Nazi party too

>>213648179
Why do you redditors even come here? Why not just go back to your echo chamber?

>>213644623 (OP)
What the fuck are they talking about the tools don't exist anymore, just draw it by hand, rerarded fucks. You can buy pens at Staples or Walmart. Dumbass niggerfaggots.

>>213648229
To make 4chan a safer place for LGBTQ+ and POCs. Nazis need to follow their leader

>>213648275
Based trans ally

>>213648269
Californians are sissies who can't hold a pencil

>>213648229
>WAHHH WAHHH REBBIT REBBIT REBBIT PLS NO BULLY MY EMERALD MINE NAZI
fuck off summerfaggot, it's a blue board.

>>213648315
see >>213648229

>>213648007
I can literally with my eyeballs, see the documents regarding the emerald mine but I have to tell my brain to betray my eyes and ears, because his paid biographer said so?


K

>>213647960
No tranny ever tried to wipe my social security information by accident because he used an open fucking server in his basement, anon.

Crazy how early 2010s low budget cartoons had better animation than modern big budget cartoons

>>213646371
>sucking on the teat of the taxpayers and accomplishing nothing.
Nah you’re thinking of all the kikes Donald Jew Trump gave a tax cut to. Remember goy, Schlomo’s yacht payment is more important than balancing the budget or building a wall.

>>213645468
Wow, you are really upset right now. Take a nap.

>>213648360
Show me these "documents" then.

>>213644623 (OP)
>tools
They mean money, they don't have the money to hire the people who can do all of this

>>213648340
>WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit
cool, he still owned an emerald mine.

>>213648433
No need to be so upset.

>>213648422
I think it's funnier to watch you cope for another hundred threads that it didn't happen, then I'll post it right before the thread dies, and you can't respond to it or come up with a cope and get enraged that the thread is archived.

That's usually how I deal with polfaggots

>>213648396
You can blame global (((inflation))) for that. Lest your bitch ass forgets your favorite animes were drawn by korean slave labor.
Nowadays the sout east asian sweatshops use AI for the keyframes.

>>213648453
You mad.

>>213648440
I'm not defending billionaires for free as if they are going to kiss me

>>213645847
>We would essentially be building a new vehicle
Cool. Let's do that.

>>213648432
i bet you they spent a million dollars an episode, minimum. they're just incapable of deploying the cash intelligently

>>213648453
*hundred posts

>>213648478
You seem very enraged about the truth.

>>213646669
>>213646716
Its on the first episode of the second season. It was a measly 2 minute scene where the protagonist was watching a show on his phone.

>>213648477
Why doesn't it make you mad that a man's entire wealth is not earned? This is "le small loan of a million dollars" cope

>>213648496
Like 90% of that money goes to voice actors, that's why most big budget adult cartoons look like shit

>>213648517
The truth is that his father owned and operated an emerald mine lol and now that Elon is (in)famous, all of the dirty laundry is out there

>>213648535
Caring about another mans hussle is female brained shit.

>>213648496
Thats just the cost of making episodes these days with inflation
We could have every bit of 2D animation be properly hand animated but it would cut into profits and to stockholders that would mean they need to jump ship which kinda starts a cycle of pain since the amount of new customers buying in won't match the costs even in the long term

>>213648535
I don't obsess over lying about some billionaire on the other side of the world for some petty agenda like yourself. I really only care for the truth. This seems to enrage you. We both know it.

>>213648467
honestly, i bet AI doing tweening is a net improvement. toonboom and the like produced the deadest looking motion, and it's not like the vietnamese were doing squash and stretch frames either

>>213648578
Anon, his dad literally did in fact own a emerald mine.

>>213648575
How come anime studios don't suffer from shareholders

koreans dont exist anymore? i wish

>>213648535
because envy is an ugly emotion and you only hurt yourself when you indulge in it

>>213648575
oh, well if that's just the cost i guess there's nothing to be done, no one to blame. everyone's trying their best, and the differences in final product are mere chance. no one could expect professionals to color match their palettes to the original product, and utilizing more than a single line thickness would be a completely unreasonable ask. this is the best that can be produced for one million united states dollars.

>>213648395
nobody did anything to your information, you dumb shit.

>>213648617
Not even the Pokemon company has shareholders

>>213648659
Envy is female shit so its no wonder the tranny twists it into an obsession with that nerd Elon.

>>213648603
Yes yes, I know reddit told you so.

>>213648617
A lot of anime studios are privately-owned or incorporated without public shareholders.

I'm going to stick to my original plan of waiting a few months until everyone's forgotten about this and the Disney shills are off shitting out the next soulless godforsaken reboot or jewish rape of something that used to be decent in the before times.

Then I still won't watch it.

>>213648617
while i agree with your general sentiment here, anime actually does have a super fucky financial model where they start shell companies for every production, with ownership split among the various financiers. additionally, profits from the show are not usually distributed like a normal financial vehicle, and they'll instead divide up the individual revenue streams among one another. it's fucking weird

>>213648669
Dodge is currently involved in a major legal battle specifically for "accidentally" leaking private information, trumptard.

I don't think it looks so bad in motion, in stills it looks a lot worse than it is

>>213644623 (OP)
>While the Disney-produced King of the Hill revival may have delivered in terms of its writing
It absolutely did fucking not. Koth is one of my favorite shows and I gave up partway through episode 3. I almost didnt even give it a full shot after episode 1 was shit from the get go.

Trump needs to Make Animation Great Again and close CalArts when he starts his war on California.

>>213648275
LGBTQ+ sounds like a tv

>>213648694
>everyone who calls me a retard is "le reddit"

>>213648617
The culture forces the japanese to work insane hours with lower pay compared to most western studios.
>>213648665
Nah work ethic and pay plays a big part because its super expensive and they can't have the numbers to match how things were before.
Back when 2D was proper things weren't as expensive
Pretty much the best way to fix this is for people to not live so densely in the Los Angeles area so costs start to drop
Also the streaming age needs to not be so insane with the shit ton of streaming services that cost more than cable ever did

>>213648617
they have something worse - committees

>>213648784
You will not post any "documents" lmao.

>>213648709
I will do you one better. Most of the anime studios not only have legacy media ownership but the committees that approve of new series are sat on by boomers from the big TV stations and advertising ececs that are on the board of companies therein.

>>213648754
source: my ass

>>213648821
America also has committees, they're called shareholders.

>>213648786
>lower pay compared to most western studios
>most
bruh, the median anime salary is $2k/month. the union minimum in america is $4.6k/month

>>213648875
>he hasn't even remotely been keeping up with the Doge shitstorm
Why are you people like this?

>>213648909
We don't get our information from reddit.

>>213648852
Aww you are right, I am not going to post anything at all!

>>213648933
Can you post your tits before you leave btw?

>>213648877
so they both have the same thing then

>>213648949

Do you think someone like that has nice ones? You don't turn into that if you're attractive or genetically well endowed.

>>213648879
But what is the rent in Japan?
What is the cost of food, necessities, insurance, etc.
Wage Parity is important as it explains the difference in costs.
Many third world countries have yearly wages of a couple hundred dollars but they still have homes, hospitals, etc because that is enough to survive there.

>>213648874
Huh?
Most of the big committees are sat on by big publishers like Kadokawa, hence why so many shitty light novels published by them get adapted nowadays.

>>213648970
Love me some sloppy pancake tits of a femcel

>>213648962
In America it's worse because their shareholders are all Jews and financebros, many of whom aren't even American.

>>213648994

I'm glad you've found love in the jews rape KOTH shill thread #7,201,929.

>>213648929
>front page national news every day
>all over the country
>reddit
Everyone under the sun is suing them lol

>>213648949
That sounds gay, anon

>>213649028
>bunch of lawyers file a lawsuit.
that's your big shitstorm?

>>213649082
It was on reddit afterall, so she believes that was the case everywhere else.

>>213649028
You ass would've been a better source

>>213649082
Lol no, it's a shit storm that it continues to get worse and worse for everyone involved in DODGE

>>213648973
i'm sure that minimum makes perfect sense for the inflated california cost of living, but you can't fix it by just hiring out of state because it's the union minimum. you have to pay that much regardless of who you hire, no matter where they live. it's just untenable

>>213649116

Why is this cunt angry with a discontinued car brand?

>>213649116
yeah, you, um....you keep thinking that.
two more weeks.

>>213649110
I wonder if we can get you to cry about reddit for another ten posts?

>>213649140
How behind are you on what's happening in your own country? Are you terminally online?

>>213648754
>>213649116
>DODGE
This femcel doesn't even know the name of the agency lmao

>>213649116
>Honey, bring your boyfriend in! We got Trump for sure THIS TIME!

>>213644623 (OP)
>enter thread about animation industry
>SpaceX and Elon shitstorm

personally, i would murder every single person who posts about politics outside of /pol/

>>213649168
You are terminally online if you think this nuthingburger means anything.

>>213649168
well you not doing a good job providing any info. unless that story on some ambulance chasers filing a lawsuit, like people do everyday, was supposed to blow me away

>>213647784
Imagine satellites made up of male skelletons

>>213649130
Thats why making costs lower in the area as a whole will help
If its cheaper for Disney and other companies to work without lowering their taxes they will be able to hire more people which will work to allow people
If costs are low then they can hire more people at lower wages without them suffering

>>213644655
Things are getting better and if you disagree you're a fascist

>>213649187
The bots latched on when someone mentioned we don’t have the technology to go into space anymore. It’s one of their talking points. They jump in whenever the moon landing is mentioned too

>>213649252
I forgot to finish the sentence but basically cheaper costs in the area allow for lower wages and for less work to be outsourced meaning you can pay closer to the minimum pay with it still being competitive enough to bring quality animators instead of people who are rich who get into animation because their parents want them doing something and have the connections to get them in.
This is an issue that is much bigger in the writers room but it still is prevalent everywhere in the entertainment industry

Did all the asian animation studios doing all the actual work close down?

>>213649554
They’re doing the same shitty job they usually do

>>213645100
Johnny Hardwick's Dale in this season actually sounded worse than Toby Huss's.

>>213649204
>everything we get caught doing, is a "nothingburger"

>>213649800
Post tits whore

Nooo, it's just impossible to pay good animators

>In 1986, he acquired rights to the output of three Zambian emerald mines, though he did not own the mines themselves. In interviews with Walter Isaacson he explained, "If you registered it, you would wind up with nothing, because the Blacks would take everything from you",[7] He later referred to his wealth during Elon's teen years in an interview with Business Insider South Africa, saying he had "so much money we couldn't even close our safe" and mentioned his emerald dealings.[13][14] Snopes confirmed that at some point he owned "a stake in an emerald mine near Lake Tanganyika in Zambia."[15] He once described his emerald mine as an "under the table" operation.[16]

7]Isaacson, Walter (12 September 2023). Elon Musk. Simon and Schuster. ISBN 978-1-3985-2751-5 – via Google Books.

16]Mahdawi, Arwa (25 April 2023). "What's that going up in flames? Why, it's Elon Musk's reputation". The Guardian.

>no you see it was just owning stakes in the mines while also running and operating the mines!

>>213645635

Is this PowerPoint presentation supposed to be a "good" example? Fuck.