Thread 213647968

>be me
>haven’t seen OG Jurassic Park films since childhood
>only memory is hiding behind dad and being traumatized
>decide to rewatch as adult
>movie starts
>bright, colorful, happy kids running around, positive music, fun theme park vibes
>begin to think maybe it was the sequels that were scary (or I was too big of a pussy)
>keep watching
>T. rex gets loose
>instantly turns into a full on horror and never stops

HOLY FUCKING KINO

>>213647968 (OP)
>>213647968 (OP)
Its actually kind of nuts how well some of those special effects hold up. Like what the hell happened? They figured out the best way to make it look good was to mix practical effect with CG touch ups in post. Did they murder the guy who did it after filling wrapped to stop him from spreading his secrets to good effects?

>>213648120
>Like what the hell happened?
As special effects got cheaper and faster to make, the less effort filmmakers had to put into making them intergrate into the movie seamlessly.

The things holding back CGI now is underpaid talentless pajeets, endless reshoots, infinitely tinkering with designs, retarded colour grading choices and not enough time to render it all properly.

>>213648120
It cost a lot, so they only let the highly-paid pros handle it.

Now it's cheap so they let low-paid retards do it.

>>213648120
>>213648328
Having the darkness and rain helps hide the imperfections. The cgi doesn't look as amazing in the non-rain scenes. I heard this on a behind the scenes thing

Yeah I watched it again last night too and it’s a top 5 kino for sure. My only gripe after years of watching is that I wish the ending sequence wasn’t so rushed.

>>213648120
>Like what the hell happened?
They stopped hiring competent white men to make movies.

>>213648328
>endless reshoots
This is the biggest issue desu. Back in the day when everything was shot on film they would prepare and shoot something practically and usually had one shot to get it right, so meticulous detail went into it. What they shot is what went in the movie. Now, everything is just done on green screens or volumes and they even entire scenes are recreated with CGI if they want to constantly change it based on focus groups.

The CG they used was cutting edge, and the animators worked hand in hand with stop motion guys and used that as their frame of reference so the movement still looks natural. The movie was originally going to use a lot more stop motion but the CG they were experimenting with got so good it convinced them to lean into it, but it was always there as a backup. They were also developing new methods for stop motion to make it look more realistic by blurring frames so it looked less static. It was like the two schools of thought were competing, not in a hostile way, but pushing each other to get better.

>>213647968 (OP)
it's good

>>213647968 (OP)
>only memory is hiding behind dad and being traumatized
Legitimately how? Its a fucking movie.

>>213647968 (OP)
Thats what made them good. It was simple. That and no one had seen a fucking cgi T-rex wrecking shit on screen before.

>>213648120
>Like what the hell happened
The idea was that relying fully on CGI would be easier and, supposedly, cheaper. Turns out full-on CGI always looks weird -completely fake and immersion breaking- and the costs involved also exploded over the years. Practical effects and shooting on location are forever king, but CGI is easier to use and tweak in post prod. That’s all.

The T-Rex worked so well because they mixed CGI shots with close up shots of animatronics in action and the result was that your brain overlooked the CGI problems (same deal with the raptors). Also the scene taking place at night during a storm further helped sell the magic, making the CGI far less noticeable. Compare with the scene where the Rex kills one of the running dinos in full day, it got the weird CGI look again.

Also Dilophosaurus had no CGI at all, it’s all practical effects. Best dino.

>>213651400
They replicated the same practical effect on cgi, is the editing of green screen footage that was revolutionary, location was the toughest part of making a good movie

>>213647968 (OP)
I've always found it strange why Jurassic Park was never thought of as a horror more often. It's not like children's horror wasn't already a thing by that point either. The book is perhaps more clear cut horror for an adult and I would love to see a more faithful adaptation of it one day, but I still watch the first JP with all the lights turned off even after all these years and it's still honestly really effective as a scary movie.

I kind of feel like if JP hadn't released in the 90s when Hollywood studios were obsessed with not labeling certain types of movies as horror (dirty word) it might be more widespread and acceptable to think of it as one. Marketing in the 90s is the reason why so many millennials can't define what a horror movie is and think everything is a thriller instead which they also can't define.
>t. millennial

>>213651510
>location was the toughest part of making a good movie
Even JP had trouble with location shooting. During filming an ouragan destroyed most of the Hawaiian movie sets so they couldnt do the scene showing Samuel L. Jackson getting killed by a raptor in the maintenance shed (poor man was looking toward to it). So we just have his arm spooking Ellie.

>>213651757
I have stupidly high standards for locations due to wandering around in pretty places

Kubrick is an example of how far you have to go, he was a freak taking pictures of everything 500 places to pick one scene

>>213647968 (OP)
Yeah, it's a horror movie for kids that's complete kino.

>>213648328
People don't talk enough about how retarded modern film making is, like how Marvel and others have these indecisive directors who constantly want to change things so there's less and less time to refine the cgi.

>>213647968 (OP)
JPIII is miles better than this slop.

>>213651901
Based JPIII enjoyer.

Making movies is a lost art form from the pre-2000's
it's all hour long video game cinematics now

The best people in the business made it and they spent a ton of time preparing before they started filming. Now they just shit out a new CGI flop every week.

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>>213648120
>All that movie has around 15 minutes of Dinosaurs
>Among which CGI represent a total of 4 to 5 minutes tops.
Spielberg is a genius, he knew how to use the CGI and to maximize the impact. He also spared no expenses and gave post prod a lot of time.

>>213651901
>>213651999

>>213651901
here's your you

>>213648120
Big-budget Hollywood CGI could still look incredible up until circa 2007. That year is roughly the tipping point from when shooting on digital instead of film became more common too. It's all about saving a couple bucks here and there, ultimately. What's the point having cutting-edge CGI or shooting on film stock when the audience doesn't even care (and can't even tell if it looks good) and your movie bombs at the box-office?

>>213651849
Good locations truly can elevate a movie, The Duellists is a 10/10 for me in that regard. So many great shots and scenes enhanced by the beautiful scenery and natural lighting.

>>213647968 (OP)
>They were never able to recapture the kino of JP1 ever again
>instead they churned out slop like this
What went wrong dino bros? Was the first movie just lightning in a bottle thats destined to never be recreated?