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Anonymous No.213649439 >>213649478 >>213649533 >>213649714 >>213649749 >>213649871 >>213650008 >>213650067 >>213650097 >>213650099 >>213650100 >>213650157 >>213650182 >>213650193 >>213650201 >>213650760 >>213650992 >>213652249 >>213652487 >>213652859 >>213652920 >>213653049 >>213653198 >>213653342 >>213656417 >>213657849 >>213657907 >>213660800 >>213660907 >>213661989 >>213662034 >>213664965 >>213665030 >>213665111 >>213665178 >>213665623 >>213665788 >>213666790 >>213666791 >>213667019 >>213667141 >>213667514 >>213667829 >>213668305
Is this really how they fought wars? No tactics, no maneuvers, not even shooting back, just walking forward until death?
Anonymous No.213649478 >>213649533
>>213649439 (OP)
Crawl back into your mother's retarded vagina please
Anonymous No.213649533 >>213649582 >>213649749 >>213650105
>>213649439 (OP)
Yes. Wiggers don't like to talk about it because they can't blame the jooo for genociding themselves like they always have.

>>213649478
Cope and seethe wigger
Anonymous No.213649582
>>213649533
>parts of Germany reported population declines of over 50%
you know this just means one town of 1000 people reported 500 were gone
Anonymous No.213649714 >>213649749 >>213667645
>>213649439 (OP)
>Took two whole volleys before someone hit the fat fuck out in front.
Guns used to suck.
Anonymous No.213649749
>>213649439 (OP)
They had tactics, they had manuevers; drilling was extremely important in armies and discipline and drilling won the day the majority of the time.
>>213649533
Develop vocabulary.
>>213649714
Yeah they did!
Anonymous No.213649787 >>213649908
Oh boy this thread again!
Anonymous No.213649871 >>213649937 >>213660863
>>213649439 (OP)
they are maneuvering dumbass, they're moving in organised ranks to the beat of the drummer boy. they're also not in range for effective musket fire and tactics would not be effective because you need massed fire in order to be effective.
Anonymous No.213649908 >>213650366
>>213649787
oh boy this whiny post again!
Anonymous No.213649937 >>213650118
>>213649871
The best part of pretending to be a retard is pedantic autistic faggots replying to you while still somehow being wrong.
Anonymous No.213650008 >>213650178 >>213651623 >>213666526
>>213649439 (OP)
Yes. That's why the brits also drive on the wrong side of the road. It was a holdover from when they'd march on the left of us when we marched to the battlefield. That's also why they are still butthurt over Washington using camo and gorilla warfare tactics.
Anonymous No.213650067
>>213649439 (OP)
why don't they dodge?
Anonymous No.213650097 >>213650130 >>213650137 >>213665039
>>213649439 (OP)
>Is this really how they fought wars? No tactics, no maneuvers, not even shooting back, just walking forward until death?
Yes Europeans are retarded
Anonymous No.213650099
>>213649439 (OP)
Always make me kek at how ridiculous the fire rate is. 5 second reloads vs a minute of strolling along.
Classic spam thread so won't go into detail, but I like story of the Caroleans holding their fire until they see the whites of their opponents eyes. Great for morale damage + close range allows for good damage & shock prior to bayonet charge
Anonymous No.213650100 >>213650154 >>213650322 >>213657894
>>213649439 (OP)
Yes and the worst part is this was dominating tactic for hundreds of years until machine guns came along and then they finally figured out how retarded it was.
Anonymous No.213650105
>>213649533
This was 100 years prior to the 7 Years War.
Bayonets hat not yet been developed so Pikes were still necessary
Anonymous No.213650118 >>213650472
>>213649937
oh yeah how am i wrong
>pedantic
lol nah
Anonymous No.213650130 >>213650189
>>213650097
Why is their trenchline so straight? Germans love zigzag trenches
Anonymous No.213650137
>>213650097
is he ok
Anonymous No.213650154 >>213650185 >>213650935
>>213650100
They conquered the world with these tactics.
So basically the entire planet had even more retarded ways of waging war.
Anonymous No.213650157 >>213650797
>>213649439 (OP)
Yeah they’re retarded America mogged them.
Anonymous No.213650178 >>213650330
>>213650008
>gorilla warfare
Anonymous No.213650182
>>213649439 (OP)
Consider it takes like five minutes to reload one of those muskets, and they still keep coming. You can break rank and run, the cavalry is standing by. You will not survive.
Anonymous No.213650185 >>213650189
>>213650154
>So basically the entire planet had even more retarded ways of waging war.
The parts of the planet they conquered didn't even have guns...
Anonymous No.213650189 >>213650251
>>213650130
The movie isn't terribly accurate either to the war or the book it's based on.>>213650185
India d
Anonymous No.213650193 >>213665746
>>213649439 (OP)
>are battles in movies accurate
never
Anonymous No.213650201 >>213650257 >>213650310
>>213649439 (OP)
my father in law was a career soldier, loved history movies, but hated this particular type/era of war.
Anonymous No.213650251
>>213650189
Yeah, Remarque was a pussy bitch that used a lot of secondhand references for his story. The 1930 All Quiet on the Western Front was decent tho (a lot of actors were veterans iirc)
Anonymous No.213650257 >>213650287
>>213650201
your step-dad must have been that major faggot ive been hearing about hahhaa
Anonymous No.213650270 >>213650336 >>213650346 >>213650431 >>213651085 >>213654068 >>213665061 >>213665757
>Line battles vs. trench warfare
Choose, /tv/
Anonymous No.213650287
>>213650257
dont have a step dad, anon
Anonymous No.213650310
>>213650201
I can picture him boomer raging at the /tv/
>JUST FUCKING DUCK GODDAMN IT
Anonymous No.213650322 >>213650350 >>213650666
>>213650100
>it was the pinnacle of battle tactics until someone found/invented a way to beat it

Mouth breather
Anonymous No.213650330 >>213650412
>>213650178
Did I stutter?
Anonymous No.213650336 >>213650389
>>213650270
Trench warfare is indefinite ignoble and hellish. Line battles decisive and kino in every regard.
Anonymous No.213650346 >>213650401 >>213650404
>>213650270
Trench warfare if I don't have to participate in those retarded charges across no man's land, line battles otherwise.
Anonymous No.213650350
>>213650322
do you have a lot of sand in your vagina, or only a little?
Anonymous No.213650366
>>213649908
Sorry, I was being unironic. I do enjoy these threads.
Anonymous No.213650389
>>213650336
Trenches have been in use as early as the 15th century, especially in seiges.
Anonymous No.213650401
>>213650346
You're gonna charge for a ditch today, boy. Don't you worry.
Anonymous No.213650404 >>213650518 >>213652026
>>213650346
Trench warfare fucking sucked because before modern artillery it meant sieging some shithole town and waiting for the sapper autists to literally Minecraft their way into the enemies basement.
Anonymous No.213650412
>>213650330
Jimmy Russles was an old school OP.
Anonymous No.213650431 >>213653846
>>213650270
trench warfare as long as im the on the side with the trench guns (the winning side)
Anonymous No.213650472 >>213650495
>>213650118
>how am i wrong
By not being correct.
Anonymous No.213650495
>>213650472
how am i not being correct
Anonymous No.213650515 >>213660830 >>213668589
Line infantry makes perfect sense given the constraints of the period and I am tired of normies failing to understand this and declaring that those people were idiots who didn't know any better
Anonymous No.213650518 >>213652026
>>213650404
Sometimes the enemy had their own sappers to dig a counter mine.
High stakes dig dug.
Anonymous No.213650666
>>213650322
Not so pinnacle if it was replaced now is it retard
Anonymous No.213650760 >>213651100 >>213651327 >>213651933 >>213665077
>>213649439 (OP)
>Be me in 1776
>Fuck the britbongs
>But anon they have 50,000 troopz
>Be me hiding behind trees and brush and rocks
>Fuck it imma pick em off one by one
>They keep coming
>Start killing the officers first
>Britbongs run away faster than a dindu running for free fried chicken

In reality, the "hide behind things" strategy only worked for a bit. When the americans started targeting British Officers is when the tide turned. The brits just couldn't comprehend or cope with a force that had no respect for ranking officials.

They got wise and put up a good fight when they came back in 1812. But the Alligators joined our side and sent the bongs home again.
Anonymous No.213650797 >>213650932
>>213650157
The British also had sneaky rifleman and the Americans complained about them.
Why do you think they hated the Hessians so much?
Anonymous No.213650932 >>213661941
>>213650797
The Americans rightfully hated the Hessians because they were german mercs. George Washington dunking on those faggots earned him the presidency.
Anonymous No.213650935 >>213651075
>>213650154
>conquered the world with these tactics
Yabuntu had a spear and Jameson had a rifle. Thats not conquering, its mercy killing.
Anonymous No.213650992
>>213649439 (OP)
Why didn't they just approach using a phalanx to stop the bullets?
Anonymous No.213651075
>>213650935
Jagmeet had muskets by the time the EIC started flexing its muscles.
They even had European mercenaries (usually Fr*nch) to help organize and train their armies.
Anonymous No.213651085
>>213650270
>campaign seasons are often summer so nice weather for marches
>travel and appreciate the landscape along the way
>stay in comfy camp
>occassionally go out hunting and foraging with your bros
>any time off you can enjoy local whores who love the new variety and extra business of the new campaign
>active battle sucks ass but you can atleast see your surroundings and the colorful uniforms and standards before smoke obscures everything
>if shit goes bad into a rout you can still go into woods and fields that aren't alien planets
Versus
>shipped around like cattle on traincars and boats
>continuous living in a muddy pit of squalor
>daily shelling sucks ass
>battles sucks ass plus barbwire
>can't be above ground without getting sniped or shelled
>wilderness around you is an ugly inhosibitable alien landscape
>any time off away from the lines you're jaded and can't enjoy life
>any civilians you can access are as depressed as you
>if shit goes bad you bleed out in a muddy hole if you don't get trench foot or die of disease

Industrial era trench warfare has got to be the closest to hell on Earth we've ever had.
Anonymous No.213651100 >>213651193 >>213651228 >>213651386 >>213651486 >>213665281
>>213650760
This is why they didn't bring iron plated barricades on wheels or just have half carry shields or anything like that. It was dishonorable to not just let someone have a free shot at you. If had brought a shield you'd have been killed by your own side for being a coward. It makes no sense today but their are equivalent beliefs that a lot of people have that that are just as retarded, thankfully a lot are often pointed out these days. Historically only the rich class fought the wars, unthinkable of sending the poor to fight for them (how could a peasant fight and be noble?) Things have obviously changed.
Anonymous No.213651193
>>213651100
Hussites had battle Wagons in the 1400s.
Anonymous No.213651228
>>213651100
You are retarded.
Anonymous No.213651327 >>213651932
>>213650760
Meanwhile irl the revolutionary war was fought between two actual uniformed and drilled armies, and the romantic fantasy of "muh plucky sharpshooters" was no more relevant to the colonial americans than it was to every european army, all of which had their own rifle sharpshooters
Anonymous No.213651386 >>213651423 >>213666804
>>213651100
Actually the nobles hung back with their horses and fancy armor as their indentured wagecucks killed each other in the field.
Anonymous No.213651402 >>213651476 >>213655576
>this confuses and infuriates the Englishman
Anonymous No.213651423
>>213651386
That is not what happened at Crecy
Or Agincourt for that matter
Anonymous No.213651476 >>213651582
>>213651402
That's cute laddy, but you're not the King's Man now are ya?
Anonymous No.213651486 >>213667091 >>213667163 >>213667188
>>213651100
>Historically only the rich class fought the wars
Anon I... where do I even begin with this?
Anonymous No.213651582
>>213651476
I liked this guy as Blackbeard.
Anonymous No.213651623 >>213651711 >>213651832 >>213658838
>>213650008
Brits drive on the left side because back in the days when everyone was on horseback, you'd want oncoming traffic to pass you on your right, so in the event that they tried to attack you or rob you, you'd have your sword hand (most people are right handed) free to defend yourself. If they passed on your left you'd have to fight backhand.
Anonymous No.213651675
No, it was more like in Sharpe where there are constant sword fights
Anonymous No.213651711
>>213651623
This sounds made up but I'll believe it because I can't be bothered to look it up.
Anonymous No.213651713
>Conquered literally everyone else
>"Ackshewerlly Europeans are retarded and really bad at war"
Anonymous No.213651832 >>213652013 >>213652269
>>213651623
You'd think it would be more apt to not have to be in defence mode with no space and horse between you and no power behind your thrusts. You'd be blocking instead of thrusting if he came up from behind on your right you'd have no leverage to swing hard. I guess maybe you don't want your horse to get stabbed but if he came in your left you could whip around and have the horse be a barrier and more leverage for overhead/side swings, not as much reach though idk. I'm a retard who doesn't sword fight or ride horses I'm just going off of physics and how I assume if be more comfortable defending my self in that situation.
Anonymous No.213651932 >>213651982 >>213652077 >>213652983 >>213653007 >>213653497
>>213651327
>uniformed and drilled armies
Except that the american side was 70% farmers and highly undrilled. So that blows your high school lesson to hell
Anonymous No.213651933 >>213651969
>>213650760
>But the Alligators joined our side and sent the bongs home again.
We won 1812 however
Anonymous No.213651969 >>213652011
>>213651933
What part of "sent the bongs home again" didn't you get?
Anonymous No.213651982
>>213651932
Maybe before Valley Forge, but we got a German Sodomite to drill those farm boys into shape.
Anonymous No.213652011 >>213652894
>>213651969
The Americans were sent home, since they started the war by invading dear, sweet, precious, innocent Canada, then they got absolute BTFO by the British Empire which stayed in Canada
Anonymous No.213652013
>>213651832
Thought about this from an attack perspective of you were going to sneak off right handed you'd definitely pass on the left to stab the guy otherwise you'd have to reach over the horse and it would be awkward. So if some stranger passes on the left you'd know to watch out, hence why you'd ride on the left side or if defense. In that way it makes sense. Don't pass on my left fucks because why else would you need to?
Anonymous No.213652026 >>213652068 >>213652097 >>213652109 >>213652237
>>213650404
>>213650518
Fuck are you talking about, world war 1 or karak eight peaks?
Anonymous No.213652068
>>213652026
lmao
Anonymous No.213652077
>>213651932
They were being trained and drilled as militias for a few years before the war even kicked off anon
Then George Washington was put in command, the experienced officer who knew how to drill soldiers properly
Anonymous No.213652097 >>213665026
>>213652026
Trench warfare was a thing before wwi you dumb autist.
Imagine being physically and mentally retarded.
Anonymous No.213652109 >>213652237
>>213652026
It actually happened at the seige of Harfleur in 1415, in the lead up the Agincourt.
Anonymous No.213652237
>>213652026
>>213652109
In fact it was fairly common in seiges, it was pretty much the only way to stop sappers.
Anonymous No.213652249 >>213653013 >>213668624
>>213649439 (OP)
That's how regular infantry fought in those days, yeah.
Although I think Light Infantry did fight in a skirmish-like fashion.
Anonymous No.213652269 >>213652653
>>213651832
what the fuck are you on about, right hand free to punch someone coming in the other direction, simple
Anonymous No.213652487
>>213649439 (OP)
It's a throwback to the common tactic their barbaric ancestors used to fight against the Romans: bum rushing. It wasn't until the early 20th century that westerners rediscovered battlefield tactics and abandoned this dumb, suicidal way of fighting.
Anonymous No.213652653
>>213652269
Absolutely right, I was being retarded. Being American it is so unnatural to even walk down a hallway on the left when I put myself in that scenario the whole thing was just weird to me and I way overthought it not thinking right was never done for that reason.
Anonymous No.213652859 >>213653538
>>213649439 (OP)
why dont they shoot while walking? their guns are pointed forward
Anonymous No.213652894 >>213654971
>>213652011
Technically there was no "winner". But in reality England lost.
USA got all of the remaining British land in western Florida area and stopped the British from taking back the Northwest territory for Canada (5 states , 1 full great lake and 1/2 the other 4 great lakes and control of Mississippi river).
End result is that England fled and left Canada to the savages and the french-english (also savages). It also resulted in the US going full bore into building a navy larger and better than England.
Anonymous No.213652920 >>213652995 >>213663608
>>213649439 (OP)
why didnt they just make carts with holes in it and push them forward? And dont tell me that doesnt work because they literally did that in a different country
Anonymous No.213652983 >>213653346 >>213653454
>>213651932
You're fucking dumb and had no history lesson if that is what you assert.
Anonymous No.213652995
>>213652920
You can't volley fire through those.
Anonymous No.213653007 >>213653117
>>213651932
>and highly undrilled
isnt the whole point of a musket is that it only takes a few weeks to learn?
Anonymous No.213653013 >>213668624
>>213652249
>AHHHHH BANG!
>o'er the hills and far away
luv me Sharpe
simple as
Anonymous No.213653049
>>213649439 (OP)
Mb read any of the history books you piece of shit?
Anonymous No.213653117
>>213653007
You learn how to load it and pull the trigger but after 50yds muskets really sucked.
femanon !M6R0eWkIpk No.213653198
>>213649439 (OP)
It worked against literally every single shitskin they came across lol
Anonymous No.213653342 >>213658770 >>213660623 >>213668105 >>213668305
>>213649439 (OP)
To your completely uneducated eyes, this appears to just be guys walking forward.

In actuality warfare in this time period was an extremely well coordinated system. The reason for large units and controlled formations is that every man on the battlefield is firing off a giant smoke-projector, and after about 30 seconds of battle there's so much fucking smoke that visibility is shot. You had to basically be able to fire semi-blind and still know that you're not shooting your own men. Trumpets, flags and a complex system of officers was necessary to affect this.

When non-Europeans encountered European tactics from around this period the universal consensus was that they were essentially invincible. The ability of British infantry formations to affect platoon fire (basically firing in sections so that bullets were always coming out of the unit like a machinegun instead of firing in big bursts and then silence) was enormous in its implications, it gave the enemy no psychological space to breathe, no "safe" time to charge. The ability of these units to wheel around and move independently of each other is far more complex than a normgroid would give it credit for.

Moreover consider that these also had to coordinate with artillery, meaning that on top of all of this marching around and keeping in units and firing and reloading (which they were doing essentially blind half the time) they also had to make sure that they didn't hit their own guys with grapeshot. This was the era in which war truly became highly tactical, because they had no other choice, no prior era had had such bad visibility combined with such lethal missiles.
Anonymous No.213653346 >>213653554 >>213656586
>>213652983
Classic american who doesn't understand the difference between an army and militia. George Washington was a highly trained army man but he had to learn how to lead Daryl, his other brother Daryl, and Frank.
Anonymous No.213653454 >>213653537 >>213653586 >>213656586
>>213652983
von steuben was gay thoughbeit
Anonymous No.213653497 >>213653568
>>213651932
College level sociology, actually.
Anonymous No.213653537
>>213653454
We're standing on the shoulders of freaks
Anonymous No.213653538
>>213652859
They only get one shot per reload, and they need to stop in order to refill ammo, but if they stop walking, the intimidating effect on the enemy is lost.
Anonymous No.213653554 >>213653664 >>213656586
>>213653346
Northerners don't actually learn American history before 1860, because none of them are descended from the founding stock anymore, they're all wops and Indians now. The last Anglo-Saxon in the North died of a fetanyl overdose in 2019.

Part of the LARP they put on is this idea that the war was won by skirmishers and peasant militias because this lent justification to them enslaving a million starving Irishmen and using them in human wave attacks against the South during the Civil War. Down here we are aware that the French and that German homo had to basically retrain the entire army, irregulars and skirmishers were not cutting it outside of a couple of incidents which, of course, are the incidents that get movies made about them.
Anonymous No.213653568
>>213653497
Brian! Is that you?
Anonymous No.213653586 >>213653657
>>213653454
So was his King.
Pretty unfair they drummed him out of the Prussian army for it. I guess only Freddy gets the bussy.
Anonymous No.213653657 >>213654001
>>213653586
Look he was a really good King okay
Anonymous No.213653664 >>213661535
>>213653554
Anonymous No.213653846
>>213650431
Wrong choice.
The losing side did significantly less going over the top.
If you don't mind going hungry you'll have significantly better chances of survival on the losing side.
Anonymous No.213654001 >>213661086 >>213661218 >>213665058
>>213653657
He was a shithead
Anonymous No.213654068
>>213650270
Line. Infinitely more dignity.
Anonymous No.213654971 >>213655318
>>213652894
>Technically there was no "winner".
>invade country
>get ass kicked
>white house burnt down
>"uhm we didn't lose okay"
Anonymous No.213655318
>>213654971
yes basically it ended with no change except for the Indians that sided with the Brits (they got kicked off their land)
Anonymous No.213655576 >>213655813 >>213655887 >>213656621
>>213651402
Mel Gibson hopping from tree to tree is the gayest shit
the Patriot just sucks, the only good scene is the bouncy cannonball that tears that guy's head off
Anonymous No.213655813 >>213655855
>>213655576
England is a fag country
Anonymous No.213655855
>>213655813
americans are bigger fags
Anonymous No.213655887
>>213655576
Mel going action hero on redcoats was mega based. You britiah faggots are still seething
Anonymous No.213656417
>>213649439 (OP)
Please anon, enlighten us on the superior method of musket based warfare. What would you have done, o wise one??
Anonymous No.213656586 >>213657224 >>213657274
>>213653346
You're dumb, ignorant, arrogant, and hypocritical. Stay obsessed with your betters.
>>213653454
Being a homosexual doesn't stop you from posting your shit opinions, so why would it stop him?
>>213653554
Name your eight great-grandparents. You can't.
Anonymous No.213656621 >>213658631 >>213667982 >>213668567
>>213655576
>mfw a British is near me
Anonymous No.213657224 >>213660623
>>213656586
>Name your eight great-grandparents. You can't.
I know the men's names at least, I had the privilege to meet a few of them.
Italian, German Immigrant, Irish American, German American.
Anonymous No.213657274 >>213662079
>>213656586
>Name your eight great-grandparents. You can't.
In the age of the internet it's pretty easy to do genealogy research if you care. My great grandfathers 20 page will was digitized and put online for some reason.
Anonymous No.213657849
>>213649439 (OP)
If you shot to early, then you would miss because of the lack of rifling in the guns, also, you would have to reload, which meant that the enemy would get their chance to now shoot you (but closer) and cause more damage.
It's a balancing act, you don't want to waste all your shots while you're too far away to do damage, but if you wait to long, your guys are gonna get killed and you'll get less shots in just simply because you're fewer.
Anonymous No.213657870
Why not just carry more pre-loaded guns?
Anonymous No.213657894 >>213657927
>>213650100
>hundreds of years

Maybe 150 years tops.

Von clauswitz even had a tactic where you would fire one volley for mazimum affect then zerg rush the enemy
Anonymous No.213657907
>>213649439 (OP)
all wars are managed depop events
Anonymous No.213657927
>>213657894
>Von clauswitz
Drink.
Anonymous No.213658631 >>213665189 >>213667920 >>213667982
>>213656621
>Braveheart
>The Patriot

Why does that Australian hate England so much?
I thought that you two were friends.
Anonymous No.213658770
>>213653342
great post
Anonymous No.213658838 >>213660771
>>213651623
That makes no sense though. The attacker is just as advantaged by the orientation you pass in, and he (by virtue of his criminal mind) gets to choose when to draw and begin slashing.
Anonymous No.213660623
>>213657224
That is a treasure when you can meet them, especially at an age where you can remember them.
I usually use that line because a lot of LARPers on the internet talk about "genetic purity" and nonsense like that in broadstrokes terms and it gets annoying.
>>213653342
Appreciate the effortpost. Good description of what the organization and movements entail.
Anonymous No.213660769 >>213666126
Line combat was the last vestige of romance in war. Its a shame there's no movies with the precursor to line that is the uber based Pike and Shot.
Anonymous No.213660771 >>213662161
>>213658838
it does make sense you just cant picture it in your mind because you're low iq so i drew you a picture. i'm actually from canada so we drive opposite side but i was still able to understand what he was implying.
Anonymous No.213660800
>>213649439 (OP)
These posts are a midwit magnet.
Anonymous No.213660830 >>213661261
>>213650515
While I don't think the people of the time were retards I did always question if you had to march to get into range why Longbows still were not utilized to demoralize the enemy ranks ahead of time. I understand fletching is tedious but it's less resource heavy than gunpowder and bullets.
Anonymous No.213660863 >>213665022 >>213667140
>>213649871
What if the drummer boy gets shot
Anonymous No.213660907
>>213649439 (OP)
If you think about it logically war is just the natural extension of "You're not gonna do it, yuh huh, nuh uh, oh yeah well watch this" which if you reason it out is most efficiently and directly applied en masse by simply walking where you're not supposed to. Eventually the meta evolves and it's not optimal but that's how these things go
Anonymous No.213661086 >>213668381
>>213654001
Fat cunt
Anonymous No.213661218 >>213668381
>>213654001
>gay mens greatest enemies where women
Absolute kino
Anonymous No.213661261
>>213660830
It's requires much less fitness and training to use guns compared to bows.
Anonymous No.213661535
>>213653664
That's not the quote from the movie.
Anonymous No.213661941 >>213665091
>>213650932
They weren't mercs. it's been state troops officially rented to Britain. Pretty much like USS Liberty crew was rented to Israel
Anonymous No.213661959
run barry run
Anonymous No.213661989
>>213649439 (OP)
why did they just kite the enemy with longer range units?
Anonymous No.213662034 >>213662125
>>213649439 (OP)
I recognize the flag of England and the flag of Great Britain, but where are those other two flags from?
Anonymous No.213662079
>>213657274
You have to be careful with the online services and definitely verify the information among them. I remember in the early 2000s my mother had a big tree set up on Ancestry.com and one day it was edited with a big new branch added off a previous "dead end" great-great uncle.

Turns out her cousin (a burgeoning amateur genealogist herself) had become good friends with a woman in a local family of the same last name, and found out old Great-Grandpa SoAndSo Samename had the same name, in the same area, and same general age range as was known to match Great-uncle DeadEnd. So Cousin went and started filling a bunch of shit in on her tree, and my mom's open tree on Ancestry (as it was set up to be open for cousins and whatnot to contribute and add to it). Cousin and her friend were tickled pink about being third cousins or whatever.

My mother was unimpressed and a stickler for documentation of any figure or relationship in her tree (something I will attest to as I was tasked many times to search ledger, microfilm and microfiche, for birth, death, and marriage certificates in many a county courthouse or archive). So a big fight ensues with cousin and cousin's main evidence is there was never any doubling of that name in availible censuses; so nothing directly contradicting the connection either (and lack of documentation of DeadEnd in general didn't help and Samename family didn't know of much). So my mother sends out feelers on forums, BBS, and IRC genealogy channels.

Some distant aunt of Samename family catches wind of it checks the tree and immediately calls bullshit on the connection and pulls out Grandpa Samename's documented story that does not line up with Great-uncle Deadend in the least. Unfortunately never found concrete fate of Deadend, but Aunt Samename became good friends with my mother, firstly over the net but then in person when my mom could still travel; they were both genealogists and sticklers for doing things properly.
Anonymous No.213662125 >>213662187
>>213662034
>but where are those other two flags from?
France. Who sponsored American war.
Anonymous No.213662161 >>213662652
>>213660771
You're a fucking moron. Read the post you quoted, that person had no confusion of the set up. The post you quoted was pointing out that the posture benefits the attacker as much as the defender (although I don't know why that matters in that regard anyway).

Brits drive on the wrong side of the road, however, simply because they do not drive on the right side.
Anonymous No.213662187
>>213662125
OP's clip has nothing to do with America.
Anonymous No.213662652
>>213662161
true, i did make an error in judgement on the specifics of their argument i attacked.
however i was pointing out this mostly
>The post you quoted was pointing out that the posture benefits the attacker as much as the defender (although I don't know why that matters in that regard anyway).
>(although I don't know why that matters in that regard anyway).
basically you are both at the same length and you are both at the maximum distance between each other. both equal ground. so you as the defender can react in the best possible way against an attacker. also being able to hold the reigns with left hand and take sword in dominant hand is the better fighting position.
Anonymous No.213663608
>>213652920
Good vs 1400s knights, bad vs 1700s infantry & cannons
(Was still a valid tactic in East Europe steppes due to mobility, and in American frontier vs Amerindians)
Anonymous No.213664908
This was the age of tactics.
Anonymous No.213664965
>>213649439 (OP)
>LOL LOOK AT THESE STUPID WHITE MEN WITH THEIR FORMATIONS AND TACTICS
t. every single group of people outside of Europe on the entire fucking planet before being so one-sidedly conquered they're still bitching about it to this day
Anonymous No.213665022
>>213660863
knew this would be one of the replies
Anonymous No.213665026 >>213665608
>>213652097
>Trench warfare was a thing before wwi you dumb autist.
No it wasn't.
Being dug in =/= trench warfare
Anonymous No.213665030
>>213649439 (OP)
And it beat all previously employed methods. Turns out we keep creating new things to beat old things. Weird!
Anonymous No.213665039
>>213650097
So...how did they conquer your people then? Are yours even dumber?
Anonymous No.213665058
>>213654001
Cry more, creekshitter
Anonymous No.213665061
>>213650270
Line battle you march for 3 weeks then fight for 4 hours. Trench combat you're in the trench always and frequently under artillery fire. Anyone who picks trench is a fool.
Anonymous No.213665077
>>213650760
https://youtu.be/ZYw4i4D1Sm8?si=iOgEnjYHA8HgwILD
Anonymous No.213665091
>>213661941
>They weren't mercs. it's been state troops officially rented to Britain.

So mercenaries, yes.

>Pretty much like USS Liberty crew was rented to Israel

Are you ESL or retarded?
Anonymous No.213665111
>>213649439 (OP)
It's how you'll die against the Russian troops eventually. Christians killing Christians.
Anonymous No.213665161
War became tedious as fuck. You go from snappy, highly responsive medieval soldiers who can kite, swap formations and dodge mangonel fire in an instant, to lame musketeers who reload slowly, slow down when they're "snared" in melee, and can't even do an instant prongs flank formation in order to dodge canon shots. Overall, this age of warfare has rightfully been denounced as the inferior military experience.
Anonymous No.213665178
>>213649439 (OP)
>Is this really how they fought wars? No tactics, no maneuvers, not even shooting back, just walking forward until death?
No. It's one of those historylet misconceptions like knights having been mounted on horses by cranes.
Anonymous No.213665189
>>213658631
Plastic paddy thing.
Anonymous No.213665281
>>213651100
Is this bait? Is it a dying bot sending one last desperate retarded message? Such a baffling post, I've read it multiple times.
Anonymous No.213665608 >>213665887
>>213665026
Previous replies are talking about tactic of digging various trenches during sieges to encroach upon forts
Anonymous No.213665623
>>213649439 (OP)
Pretty much. The kicker is they would also chant "We are The Walking Dead" as they do it.
Anonymous No.213665746 >>213666016
>>213650193
Communist countries made super autistic massive scale military movies with largely hyper realistic tactical detail. Liberation series, Counterattack, The War in the Western Direction, Waterloo, War and Peace series, The Decisive Engagement Series.
Also for ancient war, Alexander is very good. Probably the only good depiction of actual ancient warfare on screen.
Anonymous No.213665757 >>213667984
>>213650270
Since spear chucking Maori and their Trenches were pretty much the only natives who actually assfucked British assaults, Trench Warfare.
Anonymous No.213665788
>>213649439 (OP)
What is not mentioned often is how ass it is to communicate between large masses of men even with modern equipment. I can only imagine how bad it is without radios. Colourful clothes and strict hierarchy is necessary. Also, whoever fights to the last man, if not winning, costs the opponent huge casualties. Never retreat.

I would like to see a movie about warbands absolutely tearing apart hundred kilometer stretches making the landscape hell.
Anonymous No.213665850
the history nerds still haven't put up a good defense of it in these threads.
Anonymous No.213665887
>>213665608
That's just combat engineering, and has existed since before trench warfare.

Maybe we should define what "trench warfare" even is before discussing this further.
Anonymous No.213666016 >>213666792
>>213665746
>Communist countries made super autistic massive scale military movies
Completely at the expense of any good action or staging, especially Liberation with the same movements playing over and over from different angles to that nauseating score.
Anonymous No.213666126
>>213660769
>Its a shame there's no movies with the precursor to line that is the uber based Pike and Shot.
Anonymous No.213666526 >>213667420 >>213667645
>>213650008
>using camo
Yes, you basically cheated, by the standards of the time and all ages up to that point. And war forever became a little less noble and dignified as a result.
>gorilla warfare
How is Chicago these days?
>never mentioned by "Yeah! Murica!" types...
How the American rebellion was, at the time, a sideshow in what was essentially a world war between Britain and France, with most of Britain's forces necessarily committed elsewhere. How the rebels wouldn't have won without French naval support. How, having won, America immediately fucked its ally over by securing a peace treaty without them. How Americans routinely mock the French as cowards and militarily inept, with not one ounce of self-awareness or gratitude. The moral: never ally with America.
Anonymous No.213666680
>>213666666
Anonymous No.213666790
>>213649439 (OP)
There are games where you can replicate these battle nowadays, turns out holding a position in tight formation under a leader while using volley fire is indeed the best tactic given the weapons of the time.
What a surprise.
Anonymous No.213666791
>>213649439 (OP)
The number of soldiers in the formation are your life bar and whenever you shoot at the enemy the damage depends on a dice roll. It's like tabletop.
Anonymous No.213666792
>>213666016
For some of them but Waterloo, Decisive Engagement campaign series and War and Peace are absolute fucking KINO.
https://youtu.be/lp0dlDNle8U?si=CoQKvmYFZTRUWz3A&t=4021
Anonymous No.213666804
>>213651386
Mongols said european rulers were idiots for leading from the front and losing sight of the big picture.
Fuckign raw-meat eating pony-riding bagdad-burning Mongols
Anonymous No.213666805 >>213666920
Why didn't people just use longbows or repeating crossbows or compound bows in conjunction with firearms?
Anonymous No.213666920
>>213666805
Longbows= years & years of training to be proficient in + no defence vs cavalry + annoying logistics to accommodate
Anonymous No.213667019
>>213649439 (OP)
There were shitloads of tactics and maneuvers
https://youtu.be/57auSISCvIA?si=wcpgiZ9xpyM6UyHe&t=192
But one of the reasons that this era of combat is quite formal, is that the commanders and elites, were typically good friends, or associated, often even married family of the commanders, officers etc on the other side. They all went to the same elite schools and academies, went to the same events, balls, concerts, gentlemans clubs etc across Europe.
Often for this era of combat, it was elites basically have a good scrap with their friends, while soldiers typically paid the price.
That was the irony of this era of combat, the commanders and officers of both sides, were typically more friendly and associated with eachother, than their own men.
https://libgen.gl/edition.php?id=137861426
Anonymous No.213667091
>>213651486
for a few hundred years European wars were fought almost exclusively by the rich elite of society since only they could afford the training and equipment needed to field a viable force
Anonymous No.213667140
>>213660863
>What if the drummer boy gets shot
He is eaten
Anonymous No.213667141 >>213667645
>>213649439 (OP)
Even as late as the napoleonic war musket shot was pretty shit at killing you. Artillery was the true beast
Anonymous No.213667163
>>213651486
Aristocrats disappeared after WW1 because they were no longer needed in society's roles as warriors (and a vast portion of them died in the war). Mass mobilization of proles was used by every major empire.
Anonymous No.213667188
>>213651486
the rich wore plate armour and went around killing peasants wielding pitchforks to feel strong.
Anonymous No.213667420 >>213667794
>>213666526
>basically cheated, by the standards of the time
Did hannibal do the same hiding guys in that creek or in the woods by that lake?
Anonymous No.213667514 >>213667645
>>213649439 (OP)
Yes, the guns were so shit that it only made sense to use them when a line of men would fire like a 100 of them in the direction of a target simultaneously
Anonymous No.213667645 >>213667839 >>213668745
>>213649714
>>213667514
>>213667141
it's not even like the guns themselves were that bad. the issue is they used the wrong sized musket balls so they could fire for longer. If you used the correct sized musket balls after a handful of shots the fouling would get so bad it would be hard to drive the ball down the barrel and the tactics of the time favored fire rate over anything else so the lose of accuracy an under sized ball caused was seen as worth it when it didn't fuck up the rate of fire. there are a bunch of reports of American skirmishers, even as far back as patriots day, using smoothbores and out ranging the bong coats because we were using properly sized ball and the bong coats were using undersized ball
>muh Kentucky long rifles
they weren't using rifles during the battle of lexington and concord and even later on only like 1 in 3 kentucky "long rifles" are actually rifled. some guy started using bore scopes when the tech as good and found most of the guns were smoothbore, prior to that most people just thought the rifling had worn away at the muzzle
>>213666526
based, fuck france. also you forgot
>Americans pay debt
fuck you we aren't paying our debt to a king
>french revoltion
>Americans pay debt
nah, our debt was to the king, not you
Anonymous No.213667794
>>213667420
I was being somewhat facetious. From what I understand "camouflage" per se was barely a thing (maybe that Marion fellow employed it a bit, but aside from him, I dunno). Perhaps you're right: I should have called him out on the implication that Americans invented camouflage and thereby triumphed due to their innate genius etc, rather than highlighting the fact that celebrating the advent of camo is a little sad. Inevitable, sure, but sad. Anyway, hiding/using cover =/= camouflage. Hell, Wellington used a ridge to conceal his forces at Waterloo.
Anonymous No.213667829 >>213667968
>>213649439 (OP)
It was a different time.
Anonymous No.213667839 >>213667982
>>213667645
>fuck [insert American ally here]
>won't pay our credit-card bills
Yep, you're an American.
Anonymous No.213667920
>>213658631
Self-insert faggotry.
Anonymous No.213667968 >>213668018
>>213667829
> place called waterloo
> theres no water
Anonymous No.213667982 >>213668008 >>213668092
>>213667839
>yurop
>ally
>>213656621
based, fuck bongaloids
>>213658631
I'd assume everyone hates bongs
Anonymous No.213667984
>>213665757
They truly once were warriors.
Anonymous No.213668008 >>213668243
>>213667982
>Hey bro we're invading Iraq. You're our allies so you need to go along, Article 5, you know?
>What do you mean we need to keep our end of the bargain? FUck you entitled yuropoor cucks we're out
Anonymous No.213668018
>>213667968
It's Waterloo not Waterlots
Anonymous No.213668092 >>213668243
>>213667982
Oh, you fuck over all your allies, European or no. All except one, of course, but then they're not really an ally; they're the tail wagging the dog.
Anonymous No.213668105
>>213653342
Terrible post.
Anonymous No.213668243 >>213668397
>>213668008
yeah, based. let the commies nuke yurop. you fags are annoying and won't meet you budget requirements. why should we waste our money and blood defending you ingrate pricks? >>213668092
GMS!!!
Anonymous No.213668305
>>213653342
>>213649439 (OP)
they movie isn't really depicting it well, there were bayonet charges but it would be weird for them to charge like that without firing and without anyone supporting their advance at all. Like in theory there should be another group firing or harassment with the horses or something instead of just charging into the enemy lines. if they were going to just charge right for the guys they would usually shoot first to intentionally kick up smoke. usually when someone did do a retarded charge like this it was either due to the general being retarded, see the bongs at cowpens or out of desperation, see picket's charge at Gettysburg
Anonymous No.213668381
>>213661086
16 childbirths will do that to you.
>>213661218
Is there a decent series about the European theater of the 7 Years War?
Anonymous No.213668397 >>213668440
>>213668243
>defending you ingrate pricks
Is that what you think you're doing?
Anonymous No.213668440 >>213668497
>>213668397
that's literally what nato is. it's yurop expecting the US to defend you fags for free when you fags do nothing but act like homos.
Anonymous No.213668497 >>213668714
>>213668440
Right - you're "defending us" from "Russian aggression".
Anonymous No.213668567 >>213668742
>>213656621
>the black dude fighting to remain a slave
based?
Anonymous No.213668589
>>213650515
What were the constraints? Needing decisive set battles because otherwise your soldiers will desert? If inbred muslims could figure out effective guerilla tactics before gunpowder why was this task too strenous for Europeans?
Anonymous No.213668624
>>213652249
>>213653013
Based Sharpe enjoyers.
Anonymous No.213668714 >>213669197
>>213668497
that's what nato was literally founded for and there are American nuke bases in naziland, spegettiland and waffle land
Anonymous No.213668742
>>213668567
one of the many issues I have with the hamilton play is they mention Hercules mulligan and have a black play him. irl Mulligan had a slave named Cato who literally got caught by the bongs and lied to them to get away so he could deliver a message to washington to tell him the bongs knew his location and to flee.
so one of the reasons we won the war was a literal slave decided he'd rather be a slave than a bong
Anonymous No.213668745 >>213668763
>>213667645
Literal niggers and proud of it too, incredible stuff
Anonymous No.213668763 >>213668788
>>213668745
nah, that's you, yurocuck
Anonymous No.213668788 >>213668878
>>213668763
I don’t believe you have an iq above 90 so I’ll leave you be
Anonymous No.213668878 >>213669229
>>213668788
we went to the moon and have AC. yuros still can't go to the moon 60 years later, because they are too dumb, and yuros still haven't invented AC as 175,000 yuros die of no AC a year
Anonymous No.213669197 >>213669318
>>213668714
So you're admitting that the US got into a dickwaving contest with the commies that has fucked up the world ever since?
Say, do you know how the turks first got into Germany?
Anonymous No.213669229 >>213669318
>>213668878
>we went to the moon
Who is "we"?

>and have AC
So have other turd world countries, your point being?
Anonymous No.213669318
>>213669197
the yuros welcomed the turks with open arms since all yuros are cucks and the turks are also yuros
>>213669229
America, America is a first world country, yurop is worse and poorer and dumber than third world countries