Thread 213651581

>aliens don’t exist
Is this plausible?

So far. The universe is so spread out that any ayylmao would be noncommunicable

>>213651581 (OP)
It's not only plausible, it's the (un)fortunate truth.

Sorta
A retarded number of things had to go right for us to even become double celled organisms let alone nacho munchers.
I do believe out there it definitely has happened again because space is very very big but the chances of it being relatively nearby is incredible.

Its the broscience position but not the mainstream consensus. A lot of damage was done about 15 years ago when two general audience books pushed the "rare Earth" narrative. One of the authors was working off of bad data and the other had evangelical leanings. Nowadays far more evidence exists on the side of abundance, but the public is still stuck.

Also Kardeshev did a lot of damage by proposing large visible heat signatures, which now seem unlikely. Chances are advanced civilizations likely waste such little heat as to be invisible in our own backyard. Its akin to looking for giant steam engine planets because you're living in the 19th century.

>>213651581 (OP)
If any advanced alien race existed it is almost certain that some point they would end up producing some sort of detectable signal, and not even for the purpose of communicating with us, just as background noise. Just like we're doing now by spraying radio waves and television broadcasts and such throughout the universe. But there's nothing. We've got high powered equipment scanning the cosmos for even the faintest whiff of intelligent signaling and there's nothing.

Which is explainable in a variety of ways but the simplest is that nobody's using any form of wave-based communication besides us. So either the ayys are pre-industrial primitives, communicate using dark matter or telepathy or something, or just don't exist at all.

The stories about ayys are really just encounters with angels and demons filtered through the paradigm of whatever culture the people who encountered them were living in.

le monke

>>213651581 (OP)
In this big universe there's a good chance alien civilizations (plural) exist all over but we cant reach them and they cant reach us. many of them might still be in their ooga booga stages of evolution

>>213651880
In that case, where is everybody?
Fermi, as usual, has the last word.

>>213651633
>any ayylmao would be noncommunicable
Why would that mean they dont exist?

>>213652198
It doesn't, but the point the film makes is that we really are all we're gonna have so we have to make the best of it.

It's plausible but is it probable? Yes.

>>213651894
When radio waves come in contact with molecules, they start to lose energy. Law of Thermodynamics. Space isn't a vacuum or void. The interstellar medium causes radio waves to not make it to the next star.

>>213651581 (OP)
yes. it took us like 4 billion years of mostly uninterrupted ideal living coniditions to go from 1 cellers to mammals
>>213652112
delusional

Isn't our galaxy just as old as the universe? meaning if anything, we are one of the first, if not the first civilization . Its plausible not possible

>>213651581 (OP)
The entire push of the endless universe cosmogony is a plot from jesuits who run the cia and nasa to fake an alien invasion. They dont do this via any one method, they use entertainment with real world happenings, and in the academic field they have the goal of distracting you with false premises that lead to meaningless philosophical quandaries and mental 'dilemas' like this just to distract you into leading a meaningless life driven by career and material gain while you are spiritually impotent. This whole discussion didnt even exist before the 1900s, there is no "technological progress" like the game civilization where you unlock tech and culture linearly and we just collectively maxxed out on research and culture now, there is only enslavement, morals, and dogma. Actually read that book morals and dogma its largely about how the ruling class justifies manipulating masses because they feel if youre too stupid to see through it you are just asking for it. The premise is largely that your 'morals and dogma' determine your view of reality, so 'we are alone in a endless microcosm of worlds and empty space, and if there is another world like ours with life its an existential threat" this is a dogma from which our morality and society stems from, but if you insist it is "objective reality" then you willl never see behind the curtain and im just a lunatic who cant be reasoned with.

>>213651581 (OP)
Atheists would be in shambles.

>they dont follow ufo disclosure
bunch of npc bots walking around clueless.

>>213651581 (OP)
They maybe do but with the inconceivable distances in the universe we'll go extinct before find them

>>213651581 (OP)
>not in the entirety of human history have we ever come into contact with something not from Earth
>double digit normie tards still question the existence of aliens
It's a psyop. Grow up and move on.

>>213653904
Pretty much the opposite

>>213654116
Why? How does our planet's exceptionalism and our uncontested top dog status in it and in the whole universe helps the atheists "it's all random don't think about it" way of thinking?

>>213651581 (OP)
no, can't explain how our species came to earth then

would he been court martial'd?

>>213654073
We're barely out of the banging rocks together phase
It's even arguable that we're still in it

>>213654262
Atheist don't believe in that anon, you're making weird strawmen, if anything it contradicts religions ideas and dogmas of the universe, the "space is fake, it's all lies, earth is flat" faggotry comes from christians and muslims, not science

>>213654401
>if anything it contradicts religions ideas and dogmas of the universe
nta, but please expand on this, genuinely intrigued in what dribble you'll come up with.

>>213651581 (OP)
I don't see why not.
But more importantly, even if there is other life in the universe, are we spread so far apart that we'll never ever be able to make contact with each other?

Aliens in the sense of there being other intelligent life out there doesn't exist. We are it. Every test and sign we have gotten for 100 years is us being alone. Now I'm sure there is some other planets out there that have some life on it. Maybe some water with fish that evolved to look similar to the fish we have but nothing like the imagination of there being these amazing alien civilizations that go out into space that we see in our media.

There are galaxies out there that have existed for multiple times longer than ours. So if one produced any kind of intelligent life they should have had billions of years as a head start. So far it seems nothing has come from it.

>>213654486
Are you stupid? Religiontards think the Earth is 6000 years old and dinosaurs are fake

>>213654401
A newsflash for you: science always had stupid dogmas even without religion. For example, for millennia until the 1800s scientists swore that there were four humors that made the human body work and the imbalances between them was what caused diseases and mental problems, all because of ancient Greek Hippocrates and ancient Roman Galen. Or Plato describing the ether. Or now with manmade global warming (previously global icing).
But I already know you're easily gullible since you mentioned flat Earth, which regardless of what they taught you in public school, no one in the Middle Ages believed in at least since ancient Greece. Just look at the royal regalia of the globus cruciger: literally a symbol of Christ's dominion over the world (round)

>>213655209
lol you accused me of believing in strawmen and then you go claiming things that only the most stereotypically retarded American inbreds still believe in.
Religion texts are not meant to be scientific manuals and people back then were limited to the level of scientific understanding they were born in.

>>213651581 (OP)
Well, there are really only a few possibilities given that such ludicrous amounts of time have already transpired.

1: Space travel on an interstellar scale is impractical and nobody does it universe-wide. Otherwise we would through brute force of time and odds have encountered it by now.

2: There are no aliens at all. Intelligent life is a radical anomaly to the scale of being unique.

3: The entire universe has some sort of treaty or common-sense reason to be as subtle and noncommunicative as possible, to the point that NOBODY has gone out of their way to create some big obvious beaconto the galaxy in a highly visible way in all the billions of years of its existence.

It is commonly said (by idiots) that there is "No stealth in space," because the failed writers at Atomic Rocket don't know how resolution works--it's easy to avoid visual detection, but less so to leave no trace whatsoever. It is very conspicuous given that the universe has existed in potentially life-producing form for millions of times the history of life on Earth, and yet we see NO evidence of alien visitation. They didn't leave a satelite to monitor the obviously habitable planet? Why not? We would, and it's not like it'd just be one alien species, if there were aliens and space travel were feasible you'd expect someone to have stumbled over Sol a few times.

One theory is that Earth is just highly remote, we are in an unusually less dense are of space, it might just be that we aren't important enough to visit, but even then, why not send a drone or something? It's been billions of years!

>>213655778
> for millennia until the 1800s scientists swore that there were four humors that made the human body work and the imbalances between them was what caused diseases and mental problems

Serotonin dopamine cortisol and oxytocin. They were right.

>>213655778
That's limited knowledge, not religious dogma, that's why it was discarded as soon they could advance, better get some basic definitions right because posters like ypu sound like goatfucker durkas or american when you come up with your moronic antinscience memery

>>213654073
Tell that to US airforce bases.

>>213651894
It's plausible that we just don't have the technology to detect whatever kind of signals advanced aliens use. Or that our planet is basically just a galactic backwater and we are super far away from the ayylmao intergalactic empire.

>>213651581 (OP)
Facts

>>213652115
Too far away to know we're here much less talk to us. Communication is difficult when it takes 200 years to send a message and get a reply.

>>213656310
The only kind of person you could be if not a goatfuck Durka or an American is someone who licks shit off of the feet of both, or an Indian.
Which is it?

>>213656256
>Space travel on an interstellar scale is impractical

I mean, don't we already know this to more or less be the case? Accelerating something non-photon size to anything approaching the speed of light is a huge logistical hurdle in itself, and even if you could reach actual light speed the nearest star is most likely years away and the nearest galaxy might be a million years away.

>>213655058
Nigga they are trillions of galaxies out there nigga we not alone an 100 years nothing compared to existance

>>213656437
Yeah, it's hilarious when idiots like jj abrams or someone equally retarded says "we've been looking at the stars for a couple centuries and beaming radar waves out for decades. They flew 2.7 billion miles out to Neptune and still couldn't find any alien life! that means no aliens exist anywhere!" Bitch please, on the scale of real space this has been an eyeblink and a femtometer of distance. We can be beaming things for millennia, not be anywhere near hitting another civilization, and it still wouldn't mean a thing. There's no guarantee any signals that far would even still be intelligible, or the nearest civilization desiring to respond. The current meat bag human beings will never travel the stars. It will be AI and robotic humans that go out there. Centuries long travel will mean nothing then.

>>213656576
True, but the scale of time we've had for this to happen is a million times the current existence of the human race. There's no universal start-date for civilization on the galactic scale, there could have been aliens a billion years ago who had already been intelligent for a billion years. And yet they never figured out immortality, never sent out automated self-replicating drones, never did intelligent exploring AI ships, even if they took a million years to get anywhere, for machines this would not necessarily be a big deal.

There must be some significant barrier beyond the mere distance and time involved, or else a significant paucity of intelligent life. The scale is just too massive for it not to have happened by pure chance unless there were some limiting factor we have not yet encountered, because from what we see today, it's totally believable that we would be colonizing space in a few hundred years, and we're probably not going to be subtle about it.

>>213656727
Okay, but that means that other species who evolved a billion years ahead of us should've done that already. If it takes 200 million years to get to us--okay, we should be seeing one of those every 30 seconds or so, because the observable galaxy by itself is hundreds of billions of stars. Did none of them develop intelligent life and AI, and then also have the thirst for exploration?

Or is it just not possible. This isn't JJ Abrams either it's the Fermi Paradox, a very serious question as to why exactly there is no evidence of this thing that has had billions of years to happen over trillions of worlds and yet hasn't happened.

>>213651581 (OP)
Its possible. What is absolutely not possible and what ruined the movie is that it is possible to ever check everywhere and make sure they dont exist.

FFS most of the universe is moving away from us so quickly we will never be able to see it.

>aliens don't exist
is this plausible?
>god doesn't exist
is this plausible?

>>213651581 (OP)
Why isn't it possible

>>213656948
The possible is so far outside the realm of possibility that you would have no idea.

>>213655058
what you have just done is take a grain of sand. Put it under a microscope, not found anything living and concluded there is no life on earth.

>>213656927
according to scientists, the odds of life forming and evolving to the point of advanced intelligence are so low that even we shouldn't exist, god is the only answer

>>213656727
thats why the 3 body problem was so interesting, even if the show was a let down. it took this kind of serious, cynical perspective on the scenario.

>>213656985
>you would have no idea
Why NOT you stupid BASTARD

>>213657001
According to the specs we have of life on this particular mote of dust.

>>213651581 (OP)
God didnt make aliens

>>213657018
Why? Fuck you, that's why!

>>213657028
these "god did x" assertions are always retarded because i can just ask you "who made god" and we're back to square one, where we were originally.

>>213656917
The rest of the movie was a cheap rip off of apocalypse now but the i was enjoying it up until the bit where brad pit had a quick look around and decided there was nothing interesting in the universe.

Unless the point of the movie was that our ridiculous small mortal sentimental attractions distract us from answering the big questions.

god diid it™

I wish there was atleast some proof of life ( maybe a single celled organism detected in the exo planets ) but it seems that is not the case and we are alone

I think one big part thats ignored is that we are relatively early in the universe’s cycle. Give it a few hundred billion years and maybe life is more common

>>213657018
Why would an iterative improvement on an ape be able to understand literally everything?

the Fermi paradox makes several retarded assumptions but the most retarded is it assumes we can look for alien life effectively

wikipedia says there are 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the observable universe

if we were able to observe 1 million stars every year with good enough telescopes to detect radio/infrared waves from alien communications

then it would take 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 years to observe them all

even if you assume there are 1 billion advanced alien civilization occupied stars existing right now, it could take that many years before we find one

if those alien civilizations are scattered across the age of the universe (14 billion years old), then our odds of finding one are basically 0

if i found an alien i would kick its butt anyways

>>213657075
God is infinite
that's it
the problem with atheist is their arrogance, it's not that you don't believe, you don't want to believe.

>>213657154
this also space is too fucking big

>>213657152
Are you people actively trying to be obtuse, or is this the extent of most peoples understanding? Imagine if you couldnt find any elephants in your bedroom so you decided they must not exist.

>>213657180
ironic. the problem with obedient dogma believers (slaves) is you just want to settle for the path of least resistance.

>>213657180
lol nice coping mechanism

you'll be dust soon enough brocho; enjoy your one chance at life

>>213657154
The answer is that there are many universes with different laws of physics. Obviously, we occupy the universe with the particular laws that gave rise to life. Even then, life might arise on just one micron of a planet within it.

>>213657154
Given the way the universe is predicted to age, its also possible we are late to the party. We might be the last intelligent species in this part of the universe at least.

I think it would be hilarious if we finally receive a transmission from ET and it is something like "Shut up or they will hear you"

Issac Awthuw hawps about dyson sphewes being the gweatest way to weduce the numbew of staws we need to weseawch

>>213657220
>enjoy your one chance at life
yeah and christians dont. because they spend their time in guilt and obsession over some neurotic jew tales from the desert that tell them what to think and how to live.
basically it brainwashes them into being slave minded so that predators can use them and enjoy THEIR one chance at life. the christians are merely NPC's sitting in the lobby, waiting for their game to start, in their minds, in the next life. sad.

>>213651581 (OP)
Alien life in general is unlikely
Intelligent alien life is even more unlikely
Non-extinct intelligent alien life is even more unlikely than that.

>>213657246
Dark

>>213657220
it's literally the truth
God is infinitem there is no better anwser, he has no beginning or end
any other options has the problem of infinite regress

>>213657246
If the universe ends in the next few minutes, the fact of your ever being intelligent will be lost to time, like tears in rain.

>>213657278
its more likely than anything. take for instance the meticulous specificities of the moon.
this was calculated and engineered to be in that specific position, with the specific dimensions, to do something on earth. move the tides and stoke life. basically the only logical evidence we have for life on earth is the moon being an autistically crafted mechanism for stoking it, intentionally placed and manufactured.

>The moon has confounded scientists for many years. It does not obey the known rules of astrophysics and there is no theory of its origin that explains the known facts - in fact it should not really be there. When researching the ancient system of geometry and measurement used in the Stone Age that they discovered in their previous book, Civilization One, the authors discovered to their great surprise that the system also works perfectly on the Moon! On further investigation, they found a consistent sequence of beautiful integer numbers when looking at every major aspect of the Moon - no pattern emerges for any other planet or moon in the solar system. For example, the Moon revolves at exactly one hundredth of the speed that the Earth turns on ...

Muh heckin ayylumz being inevitable is a reddit theory that presupposes nihilistic random chance. Truth is that we are alone.

>>213651581 (OP)
i saw it at the cinema and everyone was bored

>>213657267
to be fair most religions are like this just look at the muslims with their idea that this life is just a stepping stone to whatever their form of heaven is called. Technology has not helped them either it has made things even more mystical, and them more comfortable and unafraid to practice an archaic belief system. You only build churches once your necessities are taken care of.

>>213657389
the crowd couldve used a helpful dose of marijuana, of the sativa variety preferably

Why dont we start blasting bacteria all over the galaxy for fun

alonefagging seems to be the bog standard position for incels

>>213657332
Linear progression of time is a trick being played by your consciousness as it moves forward through time.

All moments exist simultaneously, in the sense that if you walk down a street the buildings you pass still exist. The Universe is ending, its also the beginning, the best and worst things that have ever happened to you or anyone else are currently happening, you are just not experiencing yourself as being there currently.

>>213657389
it's a slow burn you definitely need to be in the right mood for it. Hard to advertise something like this effectively.

>>213657152
We already know it won't be anywhere there isn't liquid water. When they finally can explore the oceans of Europa, they will find it.

>>213657438
it's a simple form of measurement I don't think it needs to be that abstract

>>213657550
Its probably adaptive for us to behave and presume things are going forward in a straight line.

>>213657438
wouldnt that mean that we are just going through the motions and dont have any real choice

>>213656286
The science is settled, you need a nice long bloodletting session to get better, anon. Fetch the leeches.
>>213656310
>it's only bad when they do it!
Sure, sure. Tell it to all the scientists who got defunded, ridiculed and their lives ruined for daring to believe things against the scientific mainstream. Semmelweis in the 1800s was put in an asylum because his fellow doctors thought that his theory of washing hands before attending living patients was crazy and against Galen's principles. James Watson recently got cancelled because he rightly said there's a link between genes and intelligence.

>>213657685
Maybe. It might be something more like everything that you could possibly ever do exists somewhere and your choices direct where your experience goes. What becomes of the rest of it you dont experience, i cant imagine.

>>213657727
you have a midwits understanding

>>213657727
>>213657813
Samefag

>>213657813
I dont care. If you have the solution to everything, by all means enlighten me.

>>213657267
>only ME, the enlightened atheist, EVER lived life fully. Now excuse me while I go watch My Little Pony and goon to Fluttershy porn

>>213657908
great rebuttal im convinced

>>213651581 (OP)
depends on if the simplest life is amino acid based like us.

If it is, yes we are alone with absolute, mathematical certainty and all the aliens are gonna be put there by us.

the universe is so vast that we'll likely never come into contact with other sentient beings unless we get lucky (or unlucky, as it were)

>>213657267
woah never thought about it this way

>>213657990
No, the current group of living humans will never leave this planet in any meaningful way nor contact aliens. Perhaps, the humans a century or two from now will. But as has been shown, it's infinitely easier to just send drones and AI everywhere. The current human form is far too bothersome for long term space travel. No one wants to admit it, but future spacefaring humans will be completely different. We've already seen how different generations can be just a couple decades apart. Now imagine generations growing up living their entire lives in zero/low gravity and away from gravity wells.

>>213656576
If we can accelerate ships to near c (and that's a big if) then it won't matter so much because relativity fuckery means the faster you're travelling the shorter it'll seem to you. i.e If a ship travels at near C to Alpha Centauri from our perspective on Earth it'll seem like it takes 4+ years but from the ships perspective it'll only take a couple of months. Which isn't so bad, it's about the speed of cross-continental journeys during the age of sail, it just means that there'll be a disconnect between space travellers and people stuck on planets.

It won't matter anyway because there's already methods for FTL, they're just too dangerous to be commercialised/leave the military.

>>213656948
It's just. Not.

>>213657300
God only exists because man created him; take away man and science still exists

Faith is literally a coping mechanism created by your brain to handle the total vast and pointlessness of life. Just accept it and enjoy your time here.

>>213658511
to get the closest feeling akin to this, in an approachable way for most people would be hang gliding. youre basically in control of your own rollercoaster and its superior to skydiving because like a bird you can ride things called thermals (hot air rising) to achieve altitude. meaning you are not only descending (sky diving) but also capable of ascending(paragliding is capable of this too), so you can have hour long flights where you are just floating in the sky.

>>213658719
holy reddit

>>213658827
Why did your God cause or allow the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami?

How devastating is it to our philosophical and religious beliefs if there aren't any?

>>213658867
dunno lol

>>213658978
Not a good reason to have faith.

>>213658774
https://youtu.be/CprTlJ0HiIo
https://youtu.be/A7t4ehNxISo

>>213658920
its only an issue when you turn them into things that must be obeyed in my opinion. the problem is monotheism, rather than a pantheon of gods like pagans had. where you would have a collection of specific instances you personally identified with, respected, and followed the codes of their doctrine. a soldier would "worship" the god mars, in rome, etc. and if he was a chad too, the goddess of "rizz". greek/roman versions respectively.
>Charis (mythology) Charis (/ˈkærJs/; Ancient Greek: Χάρις, or Kharis, "Grace"), is a goddess in Greek mythology. She is a member of the Charites (Ancient Greek: Χάριτες) — or Gratiae (Graces) in Roman mythology — who are goddesses of charm, beauty, nature, creativity and fertility.

thats a much healthier way to look at it in my opinion. the gods are not infallible and needing to be worshipped, they make errors that we gain wisdom from in their tales. they dont want to help us, they want us to help ourselves. and when we do something good, in the back of our mind we give them some praise because of the mindset they encouraged. doesnt have to actually revolve around believing in this dude watching me in the sky ready to hit me with a thunder bolt.

>>213659017
i'm not religious, but i believe in a creator, or God. i don't believe something that could have created all that we know is comprehensible to our ape brains though, so conversation about it is pointless

>>213659041
to put it in the simplest/ most autistic terms i can think of.
the gods for most pagan cultures were basically our 4chan memes. wojack, chad, in the way that we assosciate certain peoples behaviors and characteristic with these quick summary memes.
now, christianity, and other monotheistic, abrahamic religions, judaism, islam. these are like reddit moderators shutting down a "based and redpilled" subreddit and saying "no you have to identify just with this one meme now, anything else is forbidden", and most of them do it for free too

/tv/ never talks about this show involving potential alien/paranormal activity on a ranch in utah. it's been going for 6 seasons with no end in sight. every episode they investigate part of the ranch, do some experiments, etc. and just end up with more questions. everyone involved seems credible, but the owner also talks like an actor. whole thing is weird and i can't explain it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_of_Skinwalker_Ranch

>>213651581 (OP)
>Is this plausible?
Sure, but it's statistically unlikely.

>>213652115
>where is everybody?
Somewhere else.

>Fermi, as usual, has the last word.
Fermi's paradox is problematic because it presumes that aliens want to come to Earth or interact with us. It's entirely possible that they have other things to do and just don't feel a need to come to Earth.

>>213660182
dude who owns the ranch has turned it into a cash cow. it's definitely profitable for him since he bought it for only $500k.

>>213660182
history channel is retarded these days though unfortunately and this
>every episode they investigate part of the ranch, do some experiments, etc. and just end up with more questions
is just LOST tier "writing as we go" kinda direction, which is okay and its going to stimulate your right hemisphere.
>vid related
https://youtu.be/TgV9OcaMEI4

but its (your show) all going to be meaningless ultimately.
someone like this is much more sincere and actually trying to shine a light on something real that occurs frequently;
https://www.youtube.com/user/canammissingproject
where he just narrates the instances and descriptions of the people involved that randomly and frequently disappear in the "wilderness"

>>213660290
yea i only caught a couple of the first eps, lost interest when i realized they were going to keep dragging it forever to maximize shekels. but it is interesting.

>>213652727
The time isn't a big deal if the experiment is being run hundreds of billions of times simultaneously across a period two or three times greater than our life cycle.