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Anonymous No.213660621 >>213660704 >>213660744 >>213660760 >>213660829 >>213661263 >>213661374 >>213661480 >>213661730 >>213661806 >>213662014 >>213662227 >>213662363 >>213662428 >>213662759 >>213662898 >>213663082 >>213663501 >>213663639 >>213663655 >>213663831 >>213663938 >>213664082 >>213664234 >>213665841 >>213665876 >>213666729 >>213666969 >>213667758 >>213669808
It's time to face the facts. Eating animals cannot be morally justified in the modern age, because we no longer need to eat animals to survive, so we're forcing them to die and suffer unnecessarily.
Anonymous No.213660704 >>213660797
>>213660621 (OP)
>because we no longer need to eat animals to survive
False, you will be nutrient deficient if you don't eat meat.
Anonymous No.213660731
Post the gif where the baby chicks get incinerated and I might listen
Anonymous No.213660744
>>213660621 (OP)
Copypasta spam thread
Anonymous No.213660760 >>213666550 >>213666618 >>213667184
>>213660621 (OP)
What’s up with the cows eyes?
Anonymous No.213660797 >>213660879 >>213661016 >>213662280 >>213663067 >>213663132
>>213660704
No you won't. You can get literally any nutrient from meat, from a non-meat source. Yes, that includes B12, which can easily be supplemented.
Anonymous No.213660829 >>213660874 >>213662917 >>213662961
>>213660621 (OP)
>Eating animals cannot be morally justified in the modern age
Eating is a morally neutral activity. People have been able to justify eating each other in extreme circumstances.
>because we no longer need to eat animals to survive
Meat is such a nutrient rich food source that vegans need to take artificial (and probably unethically sourced) supplements to make up for it.
>we're forcing them to die and suffer unnecessarily
The sustenance of 8 billion people is not unnecessary.
Anonymous No.213660874 >>213666709
>>213660829
Eating animals is only morally neutral if done out of survival (i.e. there is no other way to survive). That isn't the case now, we don't need to eat meat, which entails killing animals and forcing them to suffer. So it isn't morally neutral anymore.

Unless you think animal suffering doesn't matter, in which case, you should have no problem with someone shooting and killing stray puppies and cats for fun
Anonymous No.213660879 >>213660942
>>213660797
luxury based diet only available to first world 1%ers
check your privilege
Anonymous No.213660942 >>213661082 >>213663461
>>213660879
Veganism is not a "luxury based diet" unless you literally only eat Beyond Meat or highly processed slop and nothing else. Fruits, vegetables, beans, legumes, chickpeas, tofu, grains, are all cheap. The priciest thing there is may be just taking a multivitamin, which isn't expensive at all.
Anonymous No.213661016 >>213667025
>>213660797
Don't care one bit.
Anonymous No.213661082 >>213661109
>>213660942
>you don't need to eat meat bro!
>buy you *do* need this pill
Mhm
Anonymous No.213661109 >>213661168 >>213666900
>>213661082
Yes? You don't need to eat meat, all you have to do is take one multivitamin for B12?
Anonymous No.213661111 >>213661154
you will never convince me to go vegan

Chicken is simply god tier meat
Anonymous No.213661154 >>213661286
>>213661111
you are literally irrational, if someone just stomped on a live chicken right in front of you, you would think that's psychopathic yet you have no problem eating chickens despite knowing how they are raised and treated and knowing you don't actually need to eat them
Anonymous No.213661168 >>213661200
>>213661109
Or I can just eat meat. Ezpz, cry harder o algo
Anonymous No.213661200 >>213661324 >>213667082
>>213661168
Or you can just take one multivitamin, not eat meat, and not force hundreds of animals to die and suffer. Unless you think there is nothing wrong with forcing hundreds of animals to die and suffer unnecessarily?
Anonymous No.213661263
>>213660621 (OP)
Anonymous No.213661286 >>213661484
>>213661154
Yeah, crushing an animal to death for fun is fucked up, and so is factory farming.
But I'm still eating meat everyday, and always will
Anonymous No.213661324 >>213661456
>>213661200
Wearing shoes is unnecessary too, crybaby faggot.
I don't care how much you anxiety attack over it.
I grew up on a family farm and have raised animals and then manually turned them into food.
You're a weak embarrassment.
Anonymous No.213661374 >>213661484
>>213660621 (OP)
Not my problem.
Anonymous No.213661456 >>213664432
>>213661324
Eating animals has an easy substitute - not eating animals, and eating non-animal alternatives does not lead to injury.

Not wearing shoes obviously leads to injury and has no easy substitute. Try again

>I grew up on a family farm
So? That doesn't change the fact it's wrong to kill animals unnecessarily. If you think it's okay to kill animals unnecessarily, you have to defend someone killing stray dogs and puppies for fun.
Anonymous No.213661480 >>213661503 >>213663866
>>213660621 (OP)
nothing you do will ever reduce or alleviate the amount of suffering in the world. there will always be more and it grows at a pace that wildly outpaces every effort against it exponentially. humans ARE suffering in living form. either make up a plague in your basement that will kill everyone or spare the rest of us your existential crisis coming to terms with the facts of how shit everything is.
Anonymous No.213661484 >>213661522 >>213661668
>>213661286
And that makes you either irrational, or a hypocrite

>>213661374
See above. You are either illogical, or a hypocrite.
Anonymous No.213661503 >>213661531
>>213661480
That doesn't justify acting immorally. Nothing you do will stop murder in the world, that doesn't mean it's justified for you (or anyone else) to murder.
Anonymous No.213661522 >>213661618 >>213662774 >>213663313
>>213661484
>You are either illogical, or a hypocrite.
Sorry, I'm non-binary.
Anonymous No.213661531 >>213661561
>>213661503
who's asking for a justification? i'm only asking you to either do the impossible (fix it) or do the very possible (stop whining about it).
Anonymous No.213661561 >>213661681
>>213661531
So you have no problem with other people murdering, since hey, we can't stop murder, so murder is fine?

That literally makes zero sense. You would never apply this logic anywhere else aside from eating animals. If someone robbed you you and the police told you "well people get robbed all the time, can't stop all robberies" you would say that's retarded
Anonymous No.213661605 >>213661676
mentally ill zoomer trying to farm (you)'s like this topic hasn't been brought up for (you)'s before.
Anonymous No.213661612
Anonymous No.213661618 >>213661682
>>213661522
No, your thinking is literally illogical. You're in no position to mock anyone else for being irrational
Anonymous No.213661668 >>213661708
>>213661484
I literally don't care. What the fuck are you going to do about it?
Anonymous No.213661676 >>213661801
>>213661605
>Mentally ill
It isn't "mental illness" it's basic logic. What's "mental illness" is pretending it isn't basic logic.
>Is harming animals unnecessarily wrong.
>Yes
Then there is no justification to eat them, since there are alternatives to eating animals, eating them is harming them unnecessarily
>No
Then you should have zero problem with someone killing stray dogs and puppies, killing stray kittens, etc because harming animals unnecessarily isn't wrong. If you say yes to this, you are an actual literal psychopath (which makes you mentally ill)
Anonymous No.213661681
>>213661561
>So you have no problem with other people murdering
i just do my best not to get murdered because i know i can't stop the murdering form happening. the only one assigning moral value to this apathy is you when you say things like
>so murder is fine?
also
>police told you "well people get robbed all the time, can't stop all robberies"
they literally do that. very regularly, even. again, all you can do is try not to get robbed. or get even. i'd go to prison if i posted the various ways i've gotten back at people online. you'd be shocked how much you can get away with and how much better taking control back like that would make you feel if you only tried.
Anonymous No.213661682 >>213661738 >>213662795
>>213661618
I'm perfectly positioned to mock you for being irrational, except I wasn't even though you are.
Quite comfy, in fact.
Anonymous No.213661708 >>213661747 >>213662133
>>213661668
That's great. You're illogical, and I'm logical, I'm rational and you're irrational, and you acknowledge that I'm right and you're wrong, I'm moral and you're immoral, and you're weak while I'm strong.
Anonymous No.213661730
>>213660621 (OP)
The only animals I have ever noticed to show real sentience are dogs and primates, neither of which are eaten in civilized countries.

Animal suffering is of course always bad, but farm animals generally live happy lives followed by a quick death - the same can't always be said for humans.
Anonymous No.213661738 >>213661791
>>213661682
You aren't, you have no rebuttal. Again, very simple, basic logic
>Is harming animals unnecessarily wrong.
>Yes
Then there is no justification to eat them, since there are alternatives to eating animals, eating them is harming them unnecessarily
>No
Then you should have zero problem with someone killing stray dogs and puppies, killing stray kittens, etc because harming animals unnecessarily isn't wrong. If you say yes to this, you are an actual literal psychopath (which makes you mentally ill)

So do you have no problem with someone killing stray puppies and kittens?
Anonymous No.213661747 >>213661765 >>213662066 >>213662137 >>213662289
>>213661708
Oh well, since you say so and all.
Anonymous No.213661765 >>213661828 >>213662096
>>213661747
I don't just say so, I know so. You have no response, and you and I both know it. You weakling. All you can say is "yeah I'm wrong but uhhh I don't care"
Anonymous No.213661791 >>213661807
>>213661738
>You aren't
I am, though.
I'm in my comfy chair, with a drink and some snacks.
Beef sticks, in case you were wondering.
>blah blah blah...
Yeah, I don't care about the rest of your post though.
Anonymous No.213661801
>>213661676
>Then you should have zero problem with someone killing stray dogs and puppies, killing stray kittens, etc because harming animals unnecessarily isn't wrong. If you say yes to this, you are an actual literal psychopath (which makes you mentally ill)
nta but this already happens in a lot of places and is a objectively a good thing
how is that a "literal psychopath"
Anonymous No.213661806
>>213660621 (OP)
maybe you should kill yourself so this world has one less human to feed
Anonymous No.213661807 >>213661850
>>213661791
I still see no rebuttal. You are morally weak, irrational, and I am going to assume you kneel and concede to my point.
Anonymous No.213661828 >>213663392
>>213661765
Does this kind of shit ever work?
Like, do people ever go
>"wow, what an intelligent and insightful anon"
and change their behavior due to your efforts?
I kinda doubt it.
Anonymous No.213661850 >>213661874
>>213661807
Whatever helps you avoid the rope for one more day, I guess.
Anonymous No.213661874 >>213661898
>>213661850
I don't need any "help", I know I'm right, and you know you're wrong. You literally CANNOT refute me
Anonymous No.213661898 >>213661934
>>213661874
Refutation requires a coherent presumption, which I have yet to see.
Anonymous No.213661932
I only eat vegetarians.
Anonymous No.213661934 >>213661985 >>213662014
>>213661898
Okay, I'll repeat it again for you.
>Is harming animals unnecessarily wrong.
>Yes
Then there is no justification to eat them, since there are alternatives to eating animals, eating them is harming them unnecessarily
>No
Then you should have zero problem with someone killing stray dogs and puppies, killing stray kittens, etc because harming animals unnecessarily isn't wrong. If you say yes to this, you are an actual literal psychopath (which makes you mentally ill)

You STILL can't refute me. LOL
Anonymous No.213661985 >>213662014 >>213662027
>>213661934
Why would I bother trying to refute an emotional opinion?
That's just silly.
Anonymous No.213662014 >>213662064
>>213660621 (OP)
>we're forcing them to die and suffer unnecessarily
they are being killed for tasty meat
that's not unnecessarily at all
>>213661934
>Then there is no justification to eat them
tasty meat is justification
>>213661985
this
Anonymous No.213662027 >>213662066
>>213661985
It isn't emotion, it's pure logic, which you STILL can't refute. LOL
Anonymous No.213662032
thanks for reminding me that i need to pick up some veal for this weekend
Anonymous No.213662064 >>213662107 >>213662140 >>213662168
>>213662014
>Tasty meat is a justification
No it isn't. "I force animals to die and suffer, when there are non-animal alternatives, because they're tasty" is functionally no different from "I kill stray puppies and kittens unnecessarily because it's fun". They are both for pleasure, not necessity.
Anonymous No.213662066 >>213662096
>>213662027
>It isn't emotion, it's pure logic
see
>>213661747
Anonymous No.213662096 >>213662137
>>213662066
see
>>213661765
Anonymous No.213662107 >>213662151
>>213662064
>I force animals to die and suffer
Never have never will.
I'll eat what I like and there's nothing you can do about it except seethe, mald, and fail to cope.
Anonymous No.213662133 >>213662172 >>213662231
>>213661708
Good for you, you still can't do shit about it or do anything to stop me or change my mind. I'm also going to go hunting and fishing, I might even go on one of those cool helicopter hog hunts where you blast apart wild boars with a minigun
Anonymous No.213662137
>>213662096
see
>>213661747
Anonymous No.213662140 >>213662191
>>213662064
>is functionally no different
you can't distinguish between pointless animal abuse and meat industry?
let me help you: one gets you meat, the other gets normal people upset
BAM
refuted with facts and logic
Anonymous No.213662151 >>213662195
>>213662107
Yes you do, you pay the meat industry to do it for you.
>I'll eat what I like and there's nothing you can do about it except seethe, mald, and fail to cope.
That's great, but you're literally illogical and the fact you have no rebuttal is you conceding that you're wrong and I'm right
Anonymous No.213662168
>>213662064
Do you wear shoes? Clothes? Any type of manufactured good? I bet you're using a technological device that was made with literal human slave labor. You're just a hypocrite and or retard
Anonymous No.213662172 >>213662220
>>213662133
>I might even go on one of those cool helicopter hog hunts where you blast apart wild boars with a minigun
Metal as fuck
Anonymous No.213662191 >>213662232 >>213662263 >>213662353
>>213662140
They are both unnecessary animal suffering. You don't need to eat animals to be fed, you don't need to kill stray puppies for fun to have fun. It is consequentially the same thing, you kill the animal for your own pleasure, not necessity
Anonymous No.213662195 >>213662257
>>213662151
>you're literally illogical
Your concerned opinion is touching, if irrelevant.
Anonymous No.213662220
>>213662172
The hogs are a massive invasion, so there are a bunch of companies that can let you do them pretty affordably, especially if you and your buddies split the initial costs (helicopter rental etc).
You don't even have to do any cleanup, they will hook you up with thermals and explosive rounds and everything
Anonymous No.213662227
>>213660621 (OP)
for all of your posturing about logic and rationality, you're spending your time trying to undo literal thousands of years of social conditioning and human nature itself via a /tv/ television & film post on 4chan. that's about as high up on the irrationality scale as you can get without doing something illegal.
Anonymous No.213662231 >>213662279 >>213662291
>>213662133
Okay? You are still literally illogical and irrational, and you still concede that I'm right and you're wrong. This is basically you saying
>yeah I'm retarded but so what?
It's like shitting your pants and bragging about it
Anonymous No.213662232 >>213662279
>>213662191
Cool, enjoy your moral superiority while the rest of us enjoy a burger.
Anonymous No.213662257 >>213662289
>>213662195
It isn't an opinion, it is basic logic, which you've failed to refute. Literally the only way to cope is to admit that you're wrong and retarded and you'll continue being wrong and retarded anyways
Anonymous No.213662258
Killer thread OP

Way to own the chuds fr no cap
Anonymous No.213662263 >>213662308
>>213662191
And nobody needs eyeglasses or asthma medication, or even a car, and yet here we are and yet here we are
Anonymous No.213662269
Plants have feelings too.
Anonymous No.213662279 >>213662311
>>213662232
see
>>213662231
>Yeah I'm retarded, but so what?
Anonymous No.213662280 >>213662403
>>213660797
It's generally not a good idea to rely on a complex medical product over something as fundamentally simple as raising livestock. Kinda like how we're fucking ourselves by relying on crop pesticides so much, or coming up with wild ideas about vertical farming that waste electricity on water pumps and UV lights and again rely on high (fragile) technological complexity. Of course we've made raising livestock overly complex too but mainly in pursuit of volume and efficiency. If there was a complete societal collapse the pharmacy would be closed but cows would still eat grass.
Anonymous No.213662289
>>213662257
see
>>213661747
Anonymous No.213662291 >>213662333
>>213662231
You're the one who has to go on 4chan and piss his pants about how the last few hundred thousand years of human development were a mistake, when really, the only mistake here is (You).
Anonymous No.213662308
>>213662263
Eyeglasses and eye medication do not necessitate killing animals unnecessarily
>failed basic logic again
Lmao
Anonymous No.213662311
>>213662279
>eating a burger is like shitting your pants
Anonymous No.213662333 >>213662364
>>213662291
All I'm seeing is more coping and no actual rebuttal
>Yeah I'm retarded, but so what?
Why are you still replying, anyways? Every time you post you just concede you have no response and you kneel to my very basic argument
Anonymous No.213662353 >>213662441 >>213666773
>>213662191
>It is consequentially the same thing, you kill the animal for your own pleasure, not necessity
no it's not
meat industry is a well established process that minimizes animal suffering when possible specifically for bleeding hearts like you
"killing stray puppies for fun" does not
why do we need to remove "animal suffering" completely? all those cows and pigs won't be released into the wild, since they can't survive, they'll simply disappear completely under fascist vegan rule
Anonymous No.213662363
>>213660621 (OP)
Meat GUD!
Anonymous No.213662364 >>213662466
>>213662333
>you kneel
Anonymous No.213662367
Agriculture is bad, m'kay.
Anonymous No.213662403 >>213669842
>>213662280
>fundamentally simple as raising livestock
Most meat eaters do not raise their own livestock
Nearly all of the meat consumed in developed countries comes from factory farming, where the animals are subjected to growth hormones
The majority of food most people eat in developed countries is ultraprocessed slop anyways, meat eaters love it
Anonymous No.213662404 >>213662871
Post
/tv/ foods
Anonymous No.213662428 >>213662690
>>213660621 (OP)
Actually, we've helped them to become some of the most successful species on the planet. And the top priorities for any organism is to reproduce as far and wide as possible. Basically they're winners because of us.
Anonymous No.213662441 >>213662546
>>213662353
Yes it is. You don't need to eat the animal to survive, all the nutrients you get from it you can get from somewhere else, so the animal is getting killed unnecessarily. You're just eating the animal because it "tastes good" (i.e. your own pleasure)

Someone who shoots stray dogs and puppies for fun does the same thing, they just kill the animal for pleasure.
Anonymous No.213662449
Anonymous No.213662466 >>213662503
>>213662364
Yes, you kneel. That is all you can do, my argument is literally unbeatable, all you can do is posts copes and concede that yes you're wrong and retarded and irrational but you'll eat meat anyways. Lmfao
Anonymous No.213662472
Anonymous No.213662503 >>213662541
>>213662466
I can also eat a steak.
Anonymous No.213662531
Anonymous No.213662541 >>213662598
>>213662503
Yes, to cope with the fact that you're wrong and irrational, you know you're wrong and irrational, have no rebuttal and must kneel to my basic logical argument
Anonymous No.213662546 >>213662593
>>213662441
that's quite a retarded viewpoint
as I said, meat industry minimizes the suffering, I don't personally make animals suffer for fun
by this measure you're responsible for suffering of all 3rd world people that mined cobalt for your shitty EV and smartphone, why are they less important than animals for you, since you're clearly shitposting here using one?
Anonymous No.213662550 >>213667880
ANIMALS EAT OTHER ANIMALS IN THE MOST HORRIFIC WAYS IN NATURE. WHAT ABOUT THE SUFFERING OF ANIMALS BY OTHER ANIMALS? ARE YOU GOING TO STOP THEM FROM DOING THAT? WHY DONT YOU GO AFTER THEM FOR THAT? WHY DO YOU ONLY ATTACK HUMAN BEINGS FOR MAKING ANIMALS SUFFER, WHEN THE ENTIRE ANIMAL KINGDOM FUCKING DOES THE SAME THING??
Anonymous No.213662561
Anonymous No.213662593 >>213662673
>>213662546
They both entail killing an animal unnecessarily. How hard is this for you to understand. It is very basic logic, you either think killing animals unnecessarily is wrong, or it isn't.
Anonymous No.213662598 >>213662629
>>213662541
I thought it was for pleasure?
Keep your story straight, please.
Anonymous No.213662623
Defi
Anonymous No.213662629 >>213662678
>>213662598
It is for pleasure, the pleasure helps you cope with the fact that you're wrong and irrational, you know you're wrong and irrational, have no rebuttal and must kneel to my basic logical argument.
Anonymous No.213662635
I don't care about animals thoughbeit
Anonymous No.213662653
How long will he make the sentence?
inquiring minds want to know
Anonymous No.213662673 >>213662717
>>213662593
why are dodging the question of applying your own logic to yourself
why aren't you shitposting on /tv/ about african miners suffering and focus on cows instead
are africans less than animals for you
Anonymous No.213662678
>>213662629
Anonymous No.213662690
>>213662428
2deep4tv
Anonymous No.213662707
Anonymous No.213662717 >>213662762 >>213662796
>>213662673
Why don't you want to answer my very basic question? Is killing animals unnecessarily okay or not? We don't execute African miners, we MUST kill animals when we eat them and there is no other option.
Anonymous No.213662741 >>213663654
Mmmm....
Rare.....
Anonymous No.213662759 >>213662791 >>213662797
>>213660621 (OP)
If we have a moral obligation to minimize animal suffering shouldn't we then be obliged to cage every carnivorous animal and force feed him your tofu slop?

What about animals who kill others to reproduce? Should we exterminate the entire botfly family?
Anonymous No.213662762
>>213662717
>we MUST kill animals when we eat them
He doesn't know...
Anonymous No.213662774
>>213661522
That image is Marina-Abramovic-core.
Anonymous No.213662791
>>213662759
>Should we exterminate the entire botfly family?
I don't care about OP's thread enough to reply to him, but this needs to happen on principle.
Anonymous No.213662795 >>213662822
>>213661682

The irony of posting this gif is the nuggets are actually mostly fish with some chicken.
Anonymous No.213662796 >>213662827
>>213662717
why is killing suddenly in focus, I thought it was about "suffering"?
animals are killed painlessly and instantly, I thought that's the least "disturbing" part for you. Don't you want to literally kill all cows and pigs so there wouldn't be any more "suffering"?
why do you continue dodging the question about human suffering you're personally responsible for
Anonymous No.213662797 >>213662818
>>213662759
No. Carnivorous animals actually have to eat other animals for survival. We do not.
>wow, that was hard
Anonymous No.213662818 >>213662883
>>213662797
They don't, we can cage and feed them your supplements
Anonymous No.213662822
>>213662795
They're mostly ovaries, but i don't mind.
Anonymous No.213662827 >>213662897
>>213662796
Literally all I talked about was killing stray puppies versus killing animals. So is it okay to kill animals unnecessarily? Yes or no?
Anonymous No.213662843
The universe is a torture-prison just get to used to it and die.
Anonymous No.213662871
>>213662404
Anonymous No.213662883 >>213662907
>>213662818
No, because 1. that isn't physically feasible and 2. like I said, carnivorous animals actually need to eat other animals to survive. Carnivorous animals do not have access to supermarkets or grocery stores like we do where food and non-animal alternatives are trivial to acquire

It is very easily feasible for humans to simply.... stop eating animals. Is this the best meatfags can do? PATHETIC
Anonymous No.213662897 >>213662928
>>213662827
>So is it okay to kill animals unnecessarily? Yes or no?
no
it's like talking to a wall
but if I'm being made directly responsible for animal suffering when I eat meat then you're directly responsible for all human suffering of production of all your possessions
then why are you shitposting on /tv/ about animals and not human people
Anonymous No.213662898
>>213660621 (OP)
It needs to be morally justified? Oh wait, no it doesn't.
Anonymous No.213662907
>>213662883
This thread is great

Best laugh I've had all week
Anonymous No.213662917 >>213662927
>>213660829
>The sustenance of 8 billion people is not unnecessary.
yes it is, there's a few billions we could do without
Anonymous No.213662927 >>213662982
>>213662917
Okay, you first.
Anonymous No.213662928 >>213663008
>>213662897
>no
So if it's wrong, there is no moral justification to eat animals.
>human suffering
We don't execute humans every time we buy products, whereas we necessarily kill animals when we eat meat. Furthermore, avoiding eating animals is very trivial to do, avoiding all products is near impossible since businesses don't even know their own supply chains.
Anonymous No.213662961 >>213662979 >>213663122
>>213660829
>The sustenance of 8 billion people is not unnecessary.
Meat is less efficient of a food source than plant-based foods because you have to grow plants to feed the animals, on top of having land available for the animals to be raised in to begin with. Meat takes up far more land than growing plant-based foods
Anonymous No.213662979 >>213663002 >>213663021
>>213662961
Plants are alive too, why draw the line at animals? Unless you're a hypocrite of course.
Anonymous No.213662982 >>213663000
>>213662927
nah i'll be fine
Anonymous No.213663000 >>213663017
>>213662982
Okay.
Still having a steak.
I'll toss an extra one on in your name.
Anonymous No.213663002 >>213663054 >>213663242
>>213662979
And now we're on the "plants feel pain too" cope. Plants do not have a CNS like animals or we do.
Anonymous No.213663008 >>213663092
>>213662928
>avoiding eating animals is very trivial to do
no it's not, it severely limits all food options and makes you gay
>avoiding all products is near impossible
no it's not, you can easily go live in amish commune
there's no moral justification for contributing to human suffering, you pig hugging hypocrite
Anonymous No.213663017 >>213663409
>>213663000
you really want to keep feeding africa?
Anonymous No.213663021 >>213663275
>>213662979
By your own logic raising animals is still worse, since like I said, we still need to grow plants specifically to feed the animals being raised for slaughter, on top of slaughtering the animals.
Anonymous No.213663037
It seems none of you understand the definition of "pain." Pain is defined as a signal of present or impending tissue damage affected by a harmful stimulus, and thus is experienced by almost all multicellular organisms. The question isn't whether or not plants feel pain, the question is why is it okay to cause pain to plants but not animals? Keep in mind not all plants react to pain in the same way. Not all animals feel pain the same way (e.g. lobsters). This is part of a much more complex argument. We need to ask some tough questions. Is it wrong to harm people? Do plants and animals have the same rights as people (to be free from harm)? Do they have any rights at all? What kind of diet is within our nature and why should we second-guess doing what is natural? Good luck.
Anonymous No.213663054 >>213663120
>>213663002
is lack of CNS a moral justification for plant suffering? seems like a weak cope
Anonymous No.213663067
>>213660797
In an urbanized hustlebustle where all your food is processed for you. If the supply is disrupted or if you aren't in the city to begin with, you have to rely on meat. There's also the issue of ecosystems being disrupted if humans quit eating animals
Anonymous No.213663082
>>213660621 (OP)
You're an absolute retard if you think going vegan is a good thing.
>Muh morality: Animals kill other animals, animals rape other animals, animals eat other animals, animals mate with their own offsprings... So don't bother bringing human morality on beings that have no morality to begin with.
>Muh environment: Do you know how much space and water you need just to feed a small population? How many exotic animals are being wiped out by destroying their natural environment, and how many people are being shooed off their own land, in order for people like you to enjoy their kinoa, and avocado privilege ?.
Both industrial meat and veggies are horrible for your health enver since corpos got their filthy hands on them. Fruits and vegetables are full of GMOs, pesticides, microplastics... That are poisonous for you. Same thing with meat. The only realistic change that everyone can do is to buy their meat and veggies from small businesses and local farms, but sadly even that is getting hard due to corpo competition and monopoly.
Anonymous No.213663092
>>213663008
>no it's not, it severely limits all food options and makes you gay
Yes it is. Plant-based foods are cheaper than meat and are widely available in grocery stores as long as they aren't ultraprocessed. Also dairy products contain estrogen btw
>no it's not, you can easily go live in amish commune
The Amish don't avoid all products. Acquiring land to live on your own with is not trivial, it is also nowhere near as easy as just... not eating animals
>yeah, uhh not eating meat is as hard as acquiring private land where I grow all my own crops, build my own house, use no technology, and buy zero products
Anonymous No.213663103
Anonymous No.213663120 >>213663206
>>213663054
Yes. Otherwise by your own logic whenever we scratch our arms we're committing murder since hey, we're killing cells, and cells are alive!

This argument is retarded
Anonymous No.213663122 >>213663153
>>213662961
>because you have to grow plants to feed the animals
Nah, most places around the world animals eat grass which grows naturally.
Anonymous No.213663132
>>213660797
>You can get literally any nutrient from meat, from a non-meat source
Not where I live without incurring a significant carbon footprint so its either eat meat or destroy the planet. but you would like that wouldn't you, you monster.
Anonymous No.213663138
Anonymous No.213663153 >>213663227
>>213663122
Nope. True "grass fed pasture raised" animals are a very tiny minority of animals that are actually consumed and sold in markets. If all animals were grass fed and pasture raised that would take a metric shitton of land and would massively cut down on supply. Factory farming exists for a reason, because it is an efficient way of meeting demand for meat.
Anonymous No.213663164
Anonymous No.213663200
Anonymous No.213663206 >>213663265
>>213663120
>This argument is retarded
and how is a cell different from a plant and from a cow for you
is the only distinction between them vegans can muster is "having doey eyes" and "CNS"
everything living has a pain response
Anonymous No.213663213
Anonymous No.213663227
>>213663153
Feeding corn to your cows is an American thing, that's why their poisoned meet can't be sold in the EU
Anonymous No.213663242 >>213663346
>>213663002
>The singular moral determination for why animals shouldn't be eaten is because they feel pain
So as long as we kill them painlessly, it's fine? Got it.
Anonymous No.213663254
EET MOR CHIK'N
Anonymous No.213663265 >>213663312 >>213663354
>>213663206
Because cells and plants do not have a CNS. Animals and humans do.
>CNS
Yes, that is a good distinction, unless you think killing cells is murder now? If someone stepped on grass is that the same as someone killing a dog?
Anonymous No.213663275 >>213663317
>>213663021
>Justification by degrees
Okay so you're a hypocrite making excuses, just say that next time
Anonymous No.213663284
Anonymous No.213663303
I'm vegan, btw. Over five years at this point
Anonymous No.213663312
>>213663265
>Yes, that is a good distinction, unless you think killing cells is murder now? If someone stepped on grass is that the same as someone killing a dog?
I don't notice """"animal suffering"""" when I eat a burger
just because you don't notice the suffering doesn't mean it's morally justifiable
Anonymous No.213663313
>>213661522
underrated
Anonymous No.213663317 >>213663466
>>213663275
No, you are the hypocrite, you're pretending to care about plant lives solely to "win" the argument when you don't actually care. By your own logic we still shouldn't be eating animals, since we need to grow crops to feed the animals being raised for slaughter.

Since humans need to eat something to survive, eating plants in that case is morally justifiable, because in that scenario it actually is for survival and not solely out of pleasure. It is killing the fewest plants possible to survive.
Anonymous No.213663346 >>213663466 >>213668368 >>213668399
>>213663242
So if someone stepped on grass you think that's the same as killing a dog or a human child. This is the insane logical leap meatfags must make to simply avoid saying "yeah it's wrong to eat meat". Lmfao
Anonymous No.213663354 >>213663415
>>213663265
Ok so if your argument is we should stop killing being with a CNS then we can still kill and eat clams, snails and every other gastropod?
Anonymous No.213663392
>>213661828
Anonymous No.213663409
>>213663017
Africa isn't the problem, it's developed countries who overproduce and then throw away food because it wasn't sold even tho it's still completely fine.
Anonymous No.213663415 >>213663487
>>213663354
Snails have a CNS. What you're thinking of is oysters, and yes, that's perfectly fine.

Are you done now?
Anonymous No.213663453
dam, vegans got btfo with facts and logic AGAIN
why does this keep happening
Anonymous No.213663461
>>213660942
I was a vegetarian on and off growing up, and I'm now a srtict vegan. I struggle daily with whether I should sacrifice the life of a plant to eat, when I can find the same nutrition from a fruit (if you research fruit nutrition many people survive more than happy healthy lives). I adore my garden and house plants and know what they need to be happy/healthy, and so when it comes to eating one I can't help but think twice. Fruit seems to be given to us by the plants, bushes and trees they come from, they want to provide for us the best they have offer so that we will spread their seed. COHABITATION! Name another life form that WANTS to feed us?. The very fact that in the first stagest of life on Earth, everything was evolving from plants (making them our orignal ansestors), I think should help us in giving them the respect they deserve....
Anonymous No.213663466 >>213663512
>>213663317
>>213663346
So basically
>No but
>It's not the same
Now you know how i feel about eating animals, court is adjourned retards.
Anonymous No.213663487
>>213663415
>Snails have a CNS
They don't they have ganglia which is not considered a CNS, ofcourse the vegan fag has no understanding of anatomy or taxonomy
Anonymous No.213663501
>>213660621 (OP)
Kino poster for the opposite reasons these fags designed it for. Humanity won. Fuck animals. I eat them every day.
Anonymous No.213663503 >>213663672
Meat is only second-hand plants. Period.
Anonymous No.213663512 >>213663572 >>213663578
>>213663466
Let us summarize the argument
>Eating animals is wrong, because it's wrong to kill animals unnecessarily
versus
>Actually, plants feel pain too, and when we kill or "hurt" plants, it's as bad as killing a puppy and a human child. Also, whenever someone scratches their arm, they're committing murder, since cells feel pain too. Since stepping on a plant is equal to killing a dog eating plants is equally as wrong as eating animals
The mental gymnastics. Lmfao
Anonymous No.213663532
Anonymous No.213663544 >>213663586
Anonymous No.213663572 >>213663652
>>213663512
I'll humor you, why is it wrong to kill animals "unnecessarily"?
>All life is sacred
It clearly isn't, since you are okay with eating plants, the only difference is where you draw the line compared to where I do.
Anonymous No.213663578 >>213663669
>>213663512
>still can't articulate the difference beyond """""CNS"""""
it's ok to be vegan due to woman/emotional because of tiktoks with cow petting, but trying to wrap that pure emotion as "objective" and "moral" is always going to be a failure
Anonymous No.213663586
>>213663544
For me, it's The Boss
Anonymous No.213663592
Anonymous No.213663639 >>213665621 >>213665658 >>213666666
>>213660621 (OP)
Anonymous No.213663652 >>213663730 >>213663749 >>213663776
>>213663572
Why is it wrong to kill humans? Why is it wrong to kill anything?

An animal has a CNS and can feel and process pain the same as we can. Everyone who isn't a psychopath agrees killing a stray puppy, needlessly, is wrong. Meat eaters acknowledge that too. If we accept killing animals unnecessarily is wrong then it is wrong to eat animals.

A plant does not have a CNS. No one on the planet believes stepping on grass, is equatable to killing a puppy, or killing a human. No one believes that killing a skin cell is the same as killing a human. It's as simple as that.
Anonymous No.213663654
>>213662741
That motherfucker holding the camera is living the dream
Anonymous No.213663655 >>213663675 >>213663697
>>213660621 (OP)
Animals can't talk, so we don't have to worry whether or not it's moral eat them. Vegans weren't beaten enough by their parents.
Anonymous No.213663669 >>213663749
>>213663578
So then you think stepping on grass is as bad as killing a puppy. Yes or no?
Anonymous No.213663672
>>213663503
Anonymous No.213663675 >>213663696
>>213663655
They aren't beaten enough in general if you ask me.
Anonymous No.213663696
>>213663675
>They aren't beaten enough in general if you ask me.
Too true, that's what the thread should be about, how can we increase the beatings that vegans receive.
Anonymous No.213663697 >>213663732
>>213663655
>Dog, cats, puppies and kittens can't talk, so we don't have to worry whether or not it's moral to eat or kill them
>Newborn infants can't talk so we don't have to worry whether or not it's moral to eat or kill them
Meatfag retardation strikes again
Anonymous No.213663730 >>213663773
>>213663652
What are you even advocating for?

Stop all killing? Stop killing in ways that produce pain? Stop only killing animals with a CNS?
Anonymous No.213663732 >>213663748
>>213663697
I wouldn't let the chinese eat dogs or cats around where I live but if they do it on their turf in chyna ain't gonna stop em now am I?
Trying to equate humans to animals is a non-starter vegatard.
Anonymous No.213663748 >>213663803
>>213663732
>I wouldn't let the chinese eat dogs or cats around where I live
Why not? They can't talk, so by your own logic we don't have to worry about eating them.
Anonymous No.213663749 >>213663764 >>213663791
>>213663652
>my mom is literally no different for me from a cow
that's a great argument anon, but other people might feel different about sentient beings
>No one on the planet believes
>believes
ok anon, then I, along with most of humanity believe that meat industry is "unnecessary"
that makes it morally correct, right?
>>213663669
by own your logic of """minimizing suffering""", yes
practically, of course, no
Anonymous No.213663764
>>213663749
*don't believe that meat industry is "unnecessary"
Anonymous No.213663773 >>213663813 >>213663817
>>213663730
No, we should stop killing animals unnecessarily. We can start by not eating them, since non-animal alternatives are plentiful and easily accessible

Meatfags, on the other hand, are unironically arguing that killing grass is the same as killing a dog or a human child. That is the level of mental gymnastics you're on, lmao
Anonymous No.213663776 >>213663837
>>213663652
Look at all the mental gymnastics you have to do to cobble together the least coherent moral panicking you can possibly conceive
>muh pain! muh pain! muh pain!
animals can be killed painlessly
>BUT YOU WOULDN'T KILL A HUMAN
no sane person is going to put animal life on the same level as human life, and neither would you, even if you pretend and lie out your fucking ass otherwise. If you saw a drowning cow and a drowning child, who would you choose to save? I rest my case. At some point along the logical line you have to be a misanthrope to take these attempts at moral outrage seriously. I could eat a bucket of chicken in front of an actual chicken and it would not give 1/1000th the amount of fucks you do about me doing so.
Anonymous No.213663791 >>213663908
>>213663749
What do you mean "practically no". It's either as bad or it isn't. If it isn't as bad then your entire argument is pointless, you even admit that killing grass isn't the same as killing an animal. So bringing up plants is pointless, they aren't the same.
Anonymous No.213663803
>>213663748
>Why not? They can't talk, so by your own logic we don't have to worry about eating them.
Because I don't respect the chinese or their choices. They don't get to choose in civilized places, nor should they be allowed to.
Subhumans get to acclimate to the only culture that matters, not the other way around.
Anonymous No.213663813
>>213663773
>No, we should stop killing animals unnecessarily
So if it's necessary we can butcher animals in the most gruesome way possible? Who decides when it's necessary? You?
Anonymous No.213663817 >>213663875
>>213663773
They're not arguing that, they are bullying you for your inability to realize you are simply drawing a line arbitrarily, where under your logic you shouldn't be killing plants for food either.
Anonymous No.213663831
>>213660621 (OP)
It doesn't need to be justified because they're not human
Anonymous No.213663837 >>213663867 >>213663916
>>213663776
There are no mental gymnastics on my part. It's very simple.
>Humans have a CNS that allows us to process pain and suffering
>Animals have a CNS that allows them to process pain and suffering similar to us
>Plants do not
Meanwhile your argument is
>Ummm actually plants feel pain just like animals, humans, and skin cells do so killing plants is equally as bad as killing animals, humans, and skin cells! Checkmate vegans!
No one believes you argument. Meanwhile, virtually every sane human agrees killing a puppy unnecessarily is psychotic, which means most people accept killing animals unnecessarily is wrong. It is very simply logic
Anonymous No.213663866
>>213661480
>Muh life is pain
Blinkered subhuman coward anti-moral outlook vegans themselves love
Anonymous No.213663867
>>213663837
>killing animals unnecessarily is wrong
most people do not accept this, they just feel bad about it sometimes. Everyone knows that life consumes life, they just don't like talking about it much.
Gonna have a steak in your honor vegatard.
Anonymous No.213663875 >>213663934
>>213663817
That literally is their argument. It isn't arbitrary, I specifically stated that plants do not have a CNS

It is the meatfags like you who are being arbitrary. Okay then, where do you draw the line for killing? When is killing wrong? Is killing a stray puppy okay now? After all, it's the same as killing a plant, right?
Anonymous No.213663877
Can we eat animals which die from natural causes no matter how painful their death?
Anonymous No.213663901
/tv/?
Anonymous No.213663908 >>213663942
>>213663791
>What do you mean "practically no".
when I say "practically" I mean sane human reaction to the event
>It's either as bad or it isn't
of course it isn't, but, you haven't justified that it "isn't" beyond """muh CNS"""
while trying to wrap it as "objective" and "moral" you are only lead by your subjective human reactions and definitions, such as "yes plants and cells experience pain but it doesn't matter because I personally don't see it", "chicken suffering matters because I watched a PETA movie about it even though I personally don't see it either", "african people are less then animals for me, fuck them, I'll shit up /tv/ for chickens"
you are an emotional woman and there's nothing wrong with it, but logic isn't your strong suit
Anonymous No.213663916
>>213663837
Again animals can be and are killed PAINLESSLY so your one crutch goes out the window along with your whole argument.
>Reee plants don't feel pain
Plants react to noxious stimulus just like animals do, so again your logic falls apart just like you.
Anonymous No.213663934 >>213663965
>>213663875
Maybe if you say "CNS" a few more times you'll realize it's not an argument someday. I doubt it, but keep parroting it.
Anonymous No.213663938
>>213660621 (OP)
fk off walkin. human life is sacred. husbandry + food prep can be humane.
Anonymous No.213663942 >>213663965 >>213663972 >>213664053 >>213664069
>>213663908
So then where do YOU draw the line for killing? Is killing a stray dog okay now, since it's functionally the same as killing a plant? What differentiates the plant from the puppy?
Anonymous No.213663955
Hold up you're telling me if I put a living lobster in boiling water it will shrivel up and then die?
Anonymous No.213663965 >>213664000 >>213664021
>>213663934
See
>>213663942
You won't answer that because it is the meatfag who has arbitrary standards. Just like how you won't answer "is it okay to kill stray dogs for fun". Dishonest weakling
Anonymous No.213663972 >>213664010
>>213663942
I draw the line at household pets, but even then only mine. I would gun my neighbor's shitbull down without a second thought if I thought it might be a threat.
Anonymous No.213664000 >>213664034
>>213663965
>No but actually YOUR standards are arbitrary, not mine
>Even though my logic applies 1:1 to anything else with living cells
I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.213664010 >>213664056
>>213663972
>I would gun my neighbor's shitbull down without a second thought if I thought it might be a threat.
>thought it might be a threat
Nope, you don't get to use that argument you dishonest meatfag. You have to defend killing any dog or puppy, for literally any reason, not just for self defense. You can kill a human in "self defense" too. Where do YOU draw the line? Is killing any stray dog okay now? If your answer is yes you are literally a psychopath, congrats
Anonymous No.213664021 >>213664053
>>213663965
>who has arbitrary standards
all standards are arbitrary vegatard.
Anonymous No.213664034 >>213664077
>>213664000
>still won't answer
I accept your concession. You're weak and irrational, while I'm strong and logical.
Anonymous No.213664053
>>213664021
See
>>213663942
I accept your concession, all you can do is cope
Anonymous No.213664056 >>213664085
>>213664010
>You have to answer the way *I* dictate that you must!!
No I don't. In fact i'll just watch you crash out and slit your wrists while I eat this veal dinner lol
Anonymous No.213664069 >>213664107
>>213663942
killing stray dogs and cats (humanely) is done in plenty of places and is a necessary thing to do
>What differentiates the plant from the puppy?
in this context ONLY your personal emotional reaction to seeing its suffering, there's nothing else
"animal suffering" needs to be minimized, which is what's happening IRL, so everything's fine and nothing is "morally unjustified"
Anonymous No.213664077
>>213664034
>I'm logical so i'm just going to regurgirate what you said to me back at you like a low IQ midwit
I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.213664082
>>213660621 (OP)
>so we're forcing them to die
Nobody is making it out of this world alive, anon.
Anonymous No.213664085 >>213664135
>>213664056
Yes you do. Where do you draw the line for killing anything, not just self defense. Is killing any stray puppy okay now, since it's basically no different from killing a plant?

You won't answer that, because you are an irrational weakling and have no choice
Anonymous No.213664107 >>213664160
>>213664069
>humanely
Nope. Where do you draw the line for killing anything, humanely or not. If you think killing dogs is the same as killing plants, is it *only* okay to kill plants humanely then?
Anonymous No.213664135 >>213664245
>>213664085
Killing (euthanasia) stray puppies happens all the time, and is not only considered okay, but necessary. How retarded so you have to be to ask this?
>Weakling
I could kill you with my bare hands unironically, my malnourished friend.
Anonymous No.213664160 >>213664214
>>213664107
>If you think killing dogs is the same as killing plants, is it *only* okay to kill plants humanely then?
I don't see why it's so hard for you
killing plants doesn't need to be humane because vegans don't care about their suffering due to plants not having doey eyes and """"CNS"""" and thus doesn't need to be optimized out
maybe few completely loony tree huggers do, but they're not here to shit up /tv/
Anonymous No.213664214 >>213664283 >>213664336
>>213664160
So you're actually arguing killing a dog is the same as killing a plant. Amazing. All my argument requires is
>don't kill animals needlessly
While your mental gymnastics is
>ummm skin cells are the same as plants and animals, humans they're all the same killing them all is literally the same AAAAA
Anonymous No.213664234 >>213666849
>>213660621 (OP)
>Eating animals cannot be morally justified in the modern age,
why does it need to be morally justified?
Anonymous No.213664245
>>213664135
I'm not talking about "euthanasia", I'm talking about killing strays for any reason. If someone kills strays for fun, versus someone who just stomps on grass, are they the same. Are they morally equivalent actions.

If your answer is no your entire argument is pointless, you've conceded eating plants is not the same as eating animals. I accept your concession
Anonymous No.213664283 >>213664302
>>213664214
>So you're actually arguing killing a dog is the same as killing a plant.
I'm arguing that you can't articulate the "moral" and "objective" difference
>All my argument requires is >don't kill animals needlessly
that's right and you still are unable to qualify
why just animals
why it's "needless"
how is no cows at all better than dead cows
Anonymous No.213664302 >>213664369
>>213664283
Is killing strays for any reason, morally equivalent to killing plants for any reason. Yes or no. If someone just kill strays because they felt like it (no self defense, no euthanasia) is that morally equivalent to someone stomping on grass just because they feel like it

If your answer is no your entire argument is pointless, you've conceded eating plants is not the same as eating animals. I accept your concession
Anonymous No.213664336
>>213664214
>Don't kill animals needlessly
why?
>Would you kill a random puppy for no reason.
Insane strawman you keep using, farm animals aren't killed for no reason, they're killed to be eaten, puppies are not highly-sought after as a source of food.
>Animals feel pain
Literally no they don't, they're killed painlessly. All living cells can feel pain, it's called a reaction to noxious stimuli and you don't need a nervous system for this, your argument hyperfixates on one single, specific processing of pain that you are too uneducated to lecture anyone about.
Anonymous No.213664369 >>213664412
>>213664302
I dont want to eat strays, I want to eat cows and chickens. I don't go killing cows and chickens for no reason, it's because i want to eat them.
Anonymous No.213664412 >>213664458
>>213664369
I'm not asking what you do, I asked a very simple question. Is killing strays for any reason, morally equivalent to killing plants for any reason. Yes or no. If someone just kill strays because they felt like it (no self defense, no euthanasia) is that morally equivalent to someone stomping on grass just because they feel like it

It sounds like you're afraid of answering that, so I'm assuming you concede that no, they're not the same, which means killing animals is not the same as killing plants. Like I said, I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.213664432 >>213666690
>>213661456
If you didn't live in a big city, you could go around barefoot, I'm sorry that niggers drop syringes everywhere and break glass.
Why is it wrong to kill animals that were specifically selected and bred for millennia to be consumed as food? Absolutely not the same as killing them for fun.
You should jump off a bridge you vegan, leftist cuck, you existing and consuming resources for no reason hurts everyone around you, you shouldn't exist.
Anonymous No.213664458
>>213664412
>You HAVE to answer my false dichotomy or you lose!!!
No retard. I don't kill plants for no reason either, I kill them to eat them or because they're weeds.
Anonymous No.213665107 >>213665355
pwnt
Anonymous No.213665355
>>213665107
trvke, vegetard OP passed out from malnourishment
Anonymous No.213665621
>>213663639
/tv/ been real quiet since this dropped
Anonymous No.213665658
>>213663639
what a prime example of carnist mental health
Anonymous No.213665841
>>213660621 (OP)
Organic life was a mistake
Anonymous No.213665876 >>213666826 >>213666853
>>213660621 (OP)
>It's time to face the facts. Eating animals cannot be morally justified in the modern age, because we no longer need to eat animals to survive

We rarely ever did, it's still not a moral question as ethics only apply to conscious beings capable of rationality.

>so we're forcing them to die and suffer unnecessarily

Suffering should be avoided for our own sake, the death of an animal meanwhile is as meaningless to it as its life.
Anonymous No.213666550
>>213660760
its looking at two pairs of breasts at the same time
Anonymous No.213666618
>>213660760
The cow is expressing distress after being tortured by a vegan for the documentary.
Anonymous No.213666662
Since OP is just rehashing a stupid thread, I shall post this rehashed image. While eating hash browns and smoking hash.
Anonymous No.213666666 >>213666733 >>213668056
>>213663639
>necks himself
kwab
Anonymous No.213666690
>>213664432
Are you a larping faggot or do you have hookworm?
Anonymous No.213666705
For me? It's cause I like borgar :)
Anonymous No.213666709
>>213660874
i dont, stray animals are nuisances that carry disease like rabies. torture is one thing, swift death another. but theyre so cute!!!
Anonymous No.213666729
>>213660621 (OP)
Animals eat other animals, retard.
Anonymous No.213666733
>>213666666
Checked. All edgy faggots deserve the rope
Anonymous No.213666773
>>213662353
>meat industry is a well established process that minimizes animal suffering when possible
Retard
Most animals raised for meat come from factory farms. They spend their whole lives in crowded pens standing in their own shit.
Anonymous No.213666806
I watched all those animal slaughterhouse docs like Dominion. There's a lot of good points made (psychopathic workers abusing the animals, abhorrent conditions that make them needlessly suffer). But I'm never going to eat bugs or lab grown meat or tofu patties or whatever. Just not happening. They should gas the pigs and cows and cut some of the profits instead of letting some 60IQ hick play with them using hammers. Professionals are supposed to have standards.

Also, listening to Phoenix cry in this doc over le moo moo cows was when I knew he was a homosexual man and the rumors were true (long before Joker sequel).
Anonymous No.213666826
>>213665876
>redditor nonsense
go back
Anonymous No.213666849 >>213666865
>>213664234
because when you run out of real problems you care about in a society you've got to go looking for ones to make up
Anonymous No.213666853
>>213665876
Sentience, not rationality, is the only criterion for being a moral subject. You're confusing being a moral subject with being a moral agent because you're fucking retarded.
Anonymous No.213666865 >>213666878
>>213666849
The destruction of life on this planet for the pleasure and greed of a few is the only real problem. All social "problems" stem from civilization's hatred of life.
Anonymous No.213666877
anyone else a little baffled when they see vegans driving cars (automobiles that have animal fat in the interior and in the tires, and have animal fossils in the fuel)?
Anonymous No.213666878 >>213666898 >>213666983
>>213666865
>your face when you go outside and see a stray cat eating a bird
snuffing out life is the cosmic game and we're the MVPs
Anonymous No.213666898
>>213666878
Natural predation doesn't bother me because animals don't know better and it isn't industrialized. Subhumans who wallow in death and suffering always get what's coming to them.
Anonymous No.213666900
>>213661109
Did you know that supplement capsules are made from gelatin, which comes from animal collagen?
Anonymous No.213666930 >>213666956
mfw when I see vegans wearing shoes, which are held together by glue, which is made from animal collagen
Anonymous No.213666956 >>213666998
>>213666930
You can purity spiral only when you've made the steps they've made.
Anonymous No.213666969
>>213660621 (OP)

Spiritually you need to eat animals to survive. And kill them. This is also true of harvesting non meat sources of food like grains, rices fruits and veggies.

If you disagree feel free to jump in the pod now and stay there for ever.
Anonymous No.213666983 >>213667066
>>213666878
The majority of terrestrial biomass is livestock. Whatever suffering occurs in nature, which again, is due to animals needing to kill to survive, pales in comparison to the suffering and environmental destruction caused by the meat industry
>but animals don't matter!
Yet if I post a video of some niggers torturing a baby monkey, you'll all tell me to kill myself
>But we get meat from animals! It's not the same thing as torture!
You get pleasure from a juicy burger, the nigger gets pleasure from torturing the monkey, neither action is done out of necessity.
>But what about plant lives?
Nobody tells me to kill myself if I post a video of somebody cutting grass. Evidently, nobody cares.
Anyway, I'm not a vegan I just hate hypocrisy. I would eat a human. I'm evil nigga hahaha
Anonymous No.213666998 >>213667030 >>213667068
>>213666956
Steps towards what? Selectively not eating living things?

Why do vegans think its acceptable to eat plants? They're living things with senses.

Because they don't feel pain? Does that mean if I kill an animal in a 100% painless way, than I can eat it?

Your worldview is about as flimsy as a wet napkin.
Anonymous No.213667025
>>213661016
Then you admit to be a retard, simple as.
Television and films
Anonymous No.213667030 >>213667164
>>213666998
The goal is the minimization of harm, not eradication. You're confused. Veganism is perfectly self-consistent, as is Jainism which accepts that plants must die if human beings are to survive because life must always be inflicting a non-zero degree of suffering on life.
Anonymous No.213667066
>>213666983
>Yet if I post a video of some niggers torturing a baby monkey, you'll all tell me to kill myself
nah that sounds mad funny
>Nobody tells me to kill myself if I post a video of somebody cutting grass. Evidently, nobody cares
have you considered nobody actually cares about the monkeys or the cows or the chickens except for a vocal minority? never seen a violent LA-level protest because the local normies were pissed about a chicken farm going up, it's always smaller groups projecting numbers by moving around or directly interfering (because it's the only route realistically available to do anything when they're so overwhelmed)
Anonymous No.213667068 >>213667106
>>213666998
If you had some perfect farm where the animals all had good lives and they were killed instantly, that would be fine, yes. The problem is that factory farming has all the animals in terrible crowded conditions, they spend their whole lives screaming. They hang the pigs upside down while they slaughter them, still screaming, without any anesthetic they cut the throats. People have some retarded idea where they think all their meat comes from some small farmer when economic reality means it's coming from the meat factories.
Anonymous No.213667082 >>213667998
>>213661200
you cant argue with meat-eaters because eating meat has been sold to them as the pinnacle of manliness by decades of advertisement, and millenia of Meat being the more expensive, tastier, healthy alternative to inexpensive grains and gruel. When they think "eating meat" the first image that comes to mind is a buff lumberjack eating a big steak, so they adopt the unbothered macho persona and ignore all rationale and argumentation to affirm that they are in fact the big cool lumberjack and you the little basedboy vegan one million and one mockeries are told about every single day. They might even throw in "yea but factory farming is messed up or whatever" but they will never bring it up or criticise the industry in any other context to not arise suspicion to others that they might be a vegan basedboy. itt you can see the many gentile golems of the meat industry parrot the same catchphrases, thinking, in their minds, "I might be taking the side of backroom baby calf castrations, mass torture of innocent animals and multitrillion dollar companies in this argument, but at least, for this moment, i am the big, strong, cool lumberjack". In fact, they "get off" on it. by ignoring the animals' pain they reinforce their persona by showcasing a kind of unfeeling and utilitarian stoicism. Murder, savagery and suffering are all natural after all, thus, by defending the industrialized hellish pocket dimension that trillions of animals are born into each year, which never experience a droplet of the environment they evolved to inhabit, they are taking part in a "natural" process, just as the lumberjack would not care if he is hurting the forests in his trade. the idea that meat bad is as sacrilegious to them as the holocaust not being real, and even when they discover the latter as most in this thread probably have they will still suffer the effects of the conditioning imposed on them to maintain the former, as it runs even deeper and runs the gamut of human culture.
Anonymous No.213667106 >>213667130
>>213667068
So hypothetically speaking, if I had the methodology to literally kill 50 million cows instantly, but none of them would feel even so much as a tickle, you'd be perfectly fine with it...

Your entire worldview operates on the axiom of "I don't like it when living things feel pain."

They can all die, that's perfectly fine, but if they get an ouchy boo boo, that's where you draw the line.
Anonymous No.213667130 >>213667152
>>213667106
Well, I'm not the other guy you were arguing with, but yes, an animal lacks the capacity to understand its life is being cut short, but it is still capable of suffering.
Anonymous No.213667152 >>213667310
>>213667130
Well I'm atleast happy that you are upfront and honest about how dangerously retarded you are.
Anonymous No.213667164 >>213667682
>>213667030
>The goal is the minimization of harm

Then why haven't you killed yourself? Every ecological species on this planet would be in safer hands without you, even just on an individual level.
Anonymous No.213667184
>>213660760
Prey eyes
Anonymous No.213667310 >>213667352
>>213667152
you could have pointed out to him many animals do in fact understand they're about to be killed if they're watching their buddy get a bolt through the head, which is why they segregate some animals during the slaughtering like cows
instead you just called him a retard, offered no real rebuttal and confirmed to him and everyone else that could've engaged in a good faith discussion that you're not actually here for that

how the fuck do vegans even convert others when you're this insufferable? is it having your own epiphany at 12 years old that it's fucked up that animals die and carrying it for life? who is actually being convinced by these hot points ITT?
Anonymous No.213667333
It didn't work when you tried to guilt me into stopping piracy, and its not going to stop me from eating meat
Anonymous No.213667352 >>213667682
>>213667310
You don't have to argue with vegans, their worldview is utterly hopeless in both the empirical and logical realm.

There's no evidence that veganism actually reduces animal suffering collectively long term.

There's no logically consistent argument you can give for why humans have a duty to reduce animal suffering.

Why would you combat an argument that is observably incompetent? It'd be like trying to have a boxing match with a corpse.
Anonymous No.213667682 >>213667778
>>213667164
Jains do engage in terminal fasts, but only after a lifetime of spiritual practice.

>>213667352
Human beings have a duty to reduce the animal suffering they're directly responsible for.

>Why?
Because they have the capacity to, by virtue of the rationality you think distinguishes us from animals.
Anonymous No.213667758
>>213660621 (OP)
Eating animal is morally justifiable because if we didn't eat them they'd be tortured and killed for no reason
Anonymous No.213667778 >>213667869 >>213667883 >>213667987
>>213667682
>Human beings have a duty to reduce the animal suffering they're directly responsible for

Great! You have a duty to stop using the computer or phone you are currently typing in this thread on, right now. It contains acids and cellulose and shellac and a bunch of other materials that plants and animals had to die for.

>Jains do engage in terminal fasts, but only after a lifetime of spiritual practice

This doesn't reduce harm as much as killing yourself would. You said minimising harm is the goal, yet you are not doing the one thing that would reduce harm most efficiently.
Anonymous No.213667869 >>213668043
>>213667778
The Jain rationale is that killing myself prematurely would ensure rebirth in a lower plane, which would only continue the cycle of suffering. The harm living things cause each other is a symptom of karmic impurity.

Veganism only prescribes abstinence from animal products. They haven't pledged their lives to harm eradication/antinatalism/Mariana trench ecologies, so on.
Anonymous No.213667880 >>213667990 >>213668036
>>213662550
I actually agree with this, but since we have the intelligence to be compassionate we should strive to make animals suffer as little as possible before we butcher them for food, but we can't stop it 100% so it's foolish to make such a big deal about it and try to force us to eat bugs instead.

Vegans are like gays: only a small percentage of the global population will ever not eat meat. We're omnivores, we have 4 canine teeth for this reason and that's why vegans have to take supplements all the time because they don't get all the nourishment they actually require from just eating plants and it's probably also why Hitler lost the war
Anonymous No.213667883 >>213667946
>>213667778
When I say there's a duty to minimize harm, I mean other people have a duty to adapt to my chosen way of life that I'm comfortable with while I already lead the optimal way of life which need not be changed because that would require effort from me rather than other people.
Anonymous No.213667946
>>213667883
Why lecture others about standards you don't even apply to yourself? Do day drinking alcoholics have the right to lecture someone for having a couple glasses of wine every Friday night? Who made addicts the arbiters of sober living?
Anonymous No.213667987 >>213668019
>>213667778
Even if anon doesn't quite hit the moral target his axiom sets, he's certainly getting a lot closer by avoiding products which necessarily require the death of animals. Your argument is kind of bad here. Hell even if anon was hypocritical it doesn't make him wrong.
Anonymous No.213667990
>>213667880
>we should strive to make animals suffer as little as possible before we butcher them for food
We already do that in 1st world nations.
>Spoiler
Hitler was not vegan, he was vegetarian and he didn't want his Volk to be vegetarians like him, he wanted them to be STRONG.
Anonymous No.213667998 >>213668011 >>213668514
>>213667082
The meat industry is the verifiably the most demonic industry on the planet. All these retards have in their arsenal is meme caricatures of masculinity and effeminacy. The seeds predate even the culture war, if we stick to internet culture. Look at Maddox circa 2003.
Anonymous No.213668011
>>213667998
>The meat industry is the verifiably the most demonic industry on the planet
>on the planet
In america*.
Anonymous No.213668019
>>213667987
>he's certainly getting a lot closer by avoiding products which necessarily require the death of animals

prove it
Anonymous No.213668036
>>213667880
If you have the intelligence to be compassionate, then why not find some substitute for animal products? You're lauding humanity for a virtue that you only want to partially use.
Anonymous No.213668043 >>213668074
>>213667869
>Veganism only prescribes abstinence from animal products

yeah, which is my point

its completely arbritary and has zero logical merit
Anonymous No.213668056
>>213666666
>6 6s
Anonymous No.213668074 >>213668135
>>213668043
Again, accusing others of not living up to standards you don't even apply to yourself is hypocritical. Hypocrites accusing others of hypocrisy is doubly hypocritical. You could say that you're not the one who believes in the moral value of abstaining from animal products, but then why should we take your views into consideration at all?
Anonymous No.213668135 >>213668189 >>213668246
>>213668074
Are you even reading the messages that you are replying to?

Everything you just said was a complete non sequitur.
Anonymous No.213668189 >>213668246
>>213668135
You're aggressively retarded. Lecturing others about the finer points of an ethical system you dismiss out of hand is hypocrisy. You violate its precepts with glee, then wag your finger at vegans for insufficiently minimizing the harm you as an avowed meat eater are doubly responsible for. Why should the hypocrisy of vegans invalidate their argument, if your hypocrisy doesn't invalidate yours?
Anonymous No.213668246 >>213668296 >>213668309
>>213668189
I'll refer you back to the message you once again responded to without reading>>213668135
Anonymous No.213668296
>>213668246
>addict lecturing others about the virtues of abstinence
This is what your position amounts to. It's not difficult to understand, and it isn't serious philosophy. "What about plants?" is also a non sequitur with regard to veganism.
Anonymous No.213668309 >>213668325 >>213668350
>>213668246
I think he's saying "I won't listen to you until you agree with me on everything"
Anonymous No.213668325 >>213668363
>>213668309
I don't think he has the faintest clue what he's saying.
Anonymous No.213668350 >>213668379
>>213668309
It's not inconsistent or "arbitrary" for an ethical system that prescribes harm minimization to not also be a suicide cult, if the system's goals extend past just harm minimization (as with Jainism, Buddhist vegetarianism, some Gnostic traditions, and even with vegans who dedicate their lives to the cause). This board is so egregiously fucking retarded.
Anonymous No.213668363
>>213668325
I know exactly what I'm saying. You're just slow.
Anonymous No.213668368
>>213663346
>You want to eat cows and pigs?
>Hah, that means I get to eat carnivores who need even more meat to survive
Chinks wanting to eat cats and dogs are retarded. You don't have grass to feed cows or what?
Anonymous No.213668379 >>213668434 >>213668600
>>213668350
>"We want to minimise harm."
>"This course of action is objectively the most efficient way to minimise harm."
>"We won't do that."
Anonymous No.213668399
>>213663346
>disingenuously interprets post

Why do I see this so often?
Anonymous No.213668434 >>213668468 >>213668499
>>213668379
>just repeats himself like a parrot
I'll say it one last time: harm minimization in vegan/vegetarian ethical systems - secular and religious - is a means to an end, not an end in itself. Ergo: it is not logically incoherent for vegetarians to not be committing mass suicide in the streets.
Anonymous No.213668468 >>213668510
>>213668434
Then why would anyone care about harm minimization?
Anonymous No.213668499
>>213668434
>just repeats himself like a parrot
>"I'll say it one last time"

how self aware would you say you are on a scale of 1-10?
Anonymous No.213668510 >>213668549 >>213668584
>>213668468
Because we're moral beings, and suffering is the only real moral problem.
Anonymous No.213668514 >>213668562
>>213667998
>The meat industry is the verifiably the most demonic industry on the planet
Why are they like this? It's never "animals should have better conditions" or "inhumane slaughtering is wrong", it's "eating meat is sadistic and you are a spiritually dead complicit golem if you participate in the ghoulish carnival, which is the worst crime Man has wrought". Asking the average person to care about the plight of the moo cows is already a huge ask, of course nobody except the most mentally sick fringe extremists are going to prioritize animal welfare over immediately-relevant issues to their own family's quality of life (or agree with the notion that it's *THE* largest issue humanity is facing).

You already watched the dems burn their entire base by making trifling social issues their sacred cows, no pun intended, while Trump nabbed two elections because he kept shouting about talking points people actually cared about. How's this game plan of appealing to people's compassion for animals over themselves going to work for your big movement? Do you really see a future where we've got Federation scout ships and nobody harms a precious shrimp because you somehow enacted widespread social change? You gotta come up with some better tactics if you actually care and aren't trolling, because this is going nowhere.
Anonymous No.213668549 >>213668578
>>213668510
Myabe if you're in the 4th grade, then yeah I'm sure it seems that way
Anonymous No.213668562
>>213668514
I stopped reading when your culture warrior implant kicked in. I don't care about politics or what normal people and their blinkered morality would consider a "burden". If you can't see the karmic throughline running from ecological ravage and animal suffering to muh politics and civil unrest, you're exactly the kind of golem you decry. Only extremists are interesting people with interesting views, anyways.
Anonymous No.213668578 >>213668598
>>213668549
Can only infantilize and insult his opponent because he can't mount a defense of his own views.
Anonymous No.213668584 >>213668614
>>213668510
>harm minimization in vegan/vegetarian ethical systems - secular and religious - is a means to an end, not an end in itself.
>suffering is the only real moral problem.
These two statements are in contradiction. If harm minimization is not an end in itself, then suffering can't tbe only real moral problem, something else supercedes it. What is that something?
Anonymous No.213668598 >>213668637
>>213668578
You made a positive claim. You have to make the defense. I don't have to do anything.
Anonymous No.213668600 >>213668615
>>213668379
There's a difference between harm minimization that requires very little of you and harm minimization that requires so substantial a commitment your life would be dramatically made worse by it.
Anonymous No.213668614 >>213668693
>>213668584
A permanent and not a provisional end to suffering, as in dharmic systems. Advocating for lasting social change, with the secular vegans. Harm minimization in the now is a means to the end of eradicating the metaphysical potential for harm in the future (which is the dharmic view, and one I accept). Morality is pragmatic, but not for that reason "arbitrary".
Anonymous No.213668615 >>213668649
>>213668600
>moral issues only matter if they are convenient
Well it's convenient for me to eat meat, so that settles that.
Anonymous No.213668637 >>213668710 >>213668724
>>213668598
A bird that can't fly isn't much of a bird. It has failed to actualize its potential for flight. An amoral human being has failed to actualize their potential for reason, ergo they are deficient human beings.
Anonymous No.213668649 >>213668693 >>213668712 >>213668720
>>213668615
It's convenient for you to ignore a baby drowning in an inch deep puddle but most people would agree it's moral to save it. Convenience doesn't mean much.
Anonymous No.213668685
>Only extremists are interesting people with interesting views, anyways
Anonymous No.213668693 >>213668723 >>213668738
>>213668614
>Advocating for lasting social change, with the secular vegans.
Advocating for lasting social change... why? Why is social change required? What is the change desired?
> the end of eradicating the metaphysical potential for harm in the future
The potential for harm can only be eradicated if all life were ended. So long a thing is alive, it can and will experience harm.
>>213668649
>Convenience doesn't mean much
Then why don't you seek the objectively most efficient means of harm minimization, but you've already said that harm minimization is not worth pursuing in its most efficient form since some Jainist somewhere believes in reincarnation or something, so whatever.
Anonymous No.213668710 >>213668775
>>213668637
>A bird that can't fly isn't much of a bird
Am I a joke to you?
Anonymous No.213668712 >>213668794
>>213668649
its convenient for you to not kill yourself as well
Anonymous No.213668720 >>213668757
>>213668649
>It's convenient for you to ignore a baby drowning in an inch deep puddle
No it isn't. The legal and social consequences of failing to act in such a situation would be horribly inconvenient.
Anonymous No.213668723
>>213668693
I'm not the same anon. I think harm minimization is valuable given some caveats. We should save drowning babies because the cost to us is very low and the effect is very great (saving a life). The effect of saving an animal life by simply not eating meat is also quite great.
>why don't you seek the objectively most efficient means of harm minimization
Sure? If it could be programmed in some big AI with the caveats included, then I would.
Anonymous No.213668724
>>213668637
does that mean you can eat me?
Anonymous No.213668738 >>213668778
>>213668693
>The potential for harm can only be eradicated if all life were ended.
That's not the dharmic view. The will to life precedes its instantiation in a physical world.

I'm not a secular vegan. I'd venture to guess they're operating off the same crude utilitarianism you are: if being a part of lasting social change reduces more harm in the long-term than my suicide would reduce in the short, then it would be okay to stay alive.

The other anon isn't me. Again, though, you're missing the point: religious vegetarianism wouldn't even concede that mass suicide is the efficient form of harm reduction.
Anonymous No.213668757 >>213668831
>>213668720
It's not hard to construct a situation where there would be no legal or social consequences for ignoring the baby. Even so most people would seem to say it's immoral.
Anonymous No.213668775 >>213668787
>>213668710
Don't start hair-splitting like a tranny. I don't feel like definition chopping.
Anonymous No.213668778 >>213668789 >>213668805 >>213668820
>>213668738
You know appealing to the tenets of a religion doesn't refute the argument right?

>"the jainists and the dharmic people don't believe this"

Nobody gives a fuck. Engage with the argument and actually give us a reason as to why its right or wrong.
Anonymous No.213668787
>>213668775
I'll fuck your shit up
Anonymous No.213668789
>>213668778
>engage with me but you had better not actually make any points I don't like
mental midget
Anonymous No.213668794 >>213668828 >>213668864
>>213668712
Killing myself is more than just an inconvenience, it's horribly distressing and the cost is massive. So there are grounds to say that this costs too much and is therefore not worth it even if it further minimizes harm.
If you love meat as much as life itself, well, then you can carry on eating it I suppose. But for most people it's a pleasant thing but not that major.
Anonymous No.213668805
>>213668778
It's right because hare krishna hare ha rama rama ding dong
Anonymous No.213668820 >>213668873
>>213668778
I'm trying to open your mind to how vegetarianism and animal welfare has been understood by ancient traditions that long predate your impoverished secular "ethics". I've already answered your objections on both fronts. The religions want to end the metaphysical potential for suffering in themselves, the secular vegans want to bring to an end to industrialized animal suffering in space and time.
Anonymous No.213668828
>>213668794
>Killing myself is more than just an inconvenience, it's horribly distressing and the cost is massive
don't overrate yourself sister, we're all just clumps of cells on a big grassy rock hurtling through space but the suffering of animals is also our burden to bear, for reasons
Anonymous No.213668831
>>213668757
> Even so most people would seem to say it's immoral.
Sure but that's not a matter of convenience or inconvenience at this point, the morality of the issue is completely unrelated. Hence why I made the point in the first place.
Anonymous No.213668864 >>213668896 >>213668936
>>213668794
alright well if you're gonna appeal to subjective distress as your reason for why you haven't killed yourself to reduce harm, I will do the same to justify why I eat meat

It would be horribly distressing and the cost would be massive for me not to eat meat
Anonymous No.213668873 >>213668889
>>213668820
>that long predate your impoverished secular "ethics"
Funny how these secular ethics have created the most prosperous societies with the highest standards of living and lowest rates of violent crime, while your wonderful societies created shitheeps where widows were burned to death on their husbands' funeral pyres
Well you can keep up your orientalism if it makes you feel special, thread's gone on long enough
Anonymous No.213668889 >>213668915 >>213668916
>>213668873
>but number go up
Yeah, you're a child with a redditor's understanding of history and religion. Waste of time.
Anonymous No.213668896 >>213668918
>>213668864
But you're not allowed to eat meat because bing bang walla walla ding as was written by Guru Schawmi in the Murababarabatahayim in the 35th mukbang dynasty, which your western secularism cannot even begin to comprehend
To eat meat is the sixty sixth potentiate of the karmic wheel's third spoke saar
Anonymous No.213668915 >>213668947
>>213668889
I really hope you're not the same guy who was complaining about insults and people undermining your arguments

it would be really funny if you were though
Anonymous No.213668916
>>213668889
>number
No, number go down, saar. Fewer murder, fewer rape saar, fewer child mortality saar, fewer dead women as result of pregnancy saar, fewer robbery saar.
Many number go down saar.
Anonymous No.213668918 >>213668939
>>213668896
Epic bro, I watch South Park, too
Anonymous No.213668935
this thread is unironically kino

best performance art I've seen in years
Anonymous No.213668936 >>213668952
>>213668864
Yes I already made that allowance for you. But for most people arguing in good faith, it's really not such a big problem.
Anonymous No.213668939 >>213668963
>>213668918
How do you feel about South Park's arguments against veganism? i.e. if you don't eat meat at all you turn into a giant pussy
Anonymous No.213668947 >>213668968 >>213668976
>>213668915
You're factually retarded and unwilling to engage in a thoughtful discussion on a subject you allegedly know so much about, especially when I'm refuting your utilitarianism on its own terms even outside the dharma lecture.
Anonymous No.213668952 >>213668973
>>213668936
Most people do eat meat though. Even the Buddha ate meat.
Anonymous No.213668963 >>213669001
>>213668939
>How do you feel about South Park's arguments against veganism
I don't
Anonymous No.213668968
>>213668947
Who's a utilitarian?
Anonymous No.213668973 >>213669028
>>213668952
Fr most people in the modern world, it's not very difficult to switch away from meat. I don't know what conditions Buddha lived in exactly, maybe it was very difficult to forego meat then, but now it isn't.
Anonymous No.213668976
>>213668947
Oh no, it was you hahahahahaha
Anonymous No.213669001 >>213669144
>>213668963
So why did you bring up South Park if you don't want to talk about it?
Anonymous No.213669028 >>213669060
>>213668973
Okay but the fact that it's easy not to eat meat is no reason not to eat it.
Anonymous No.213669060 >>213669102
>>213669028
The reason not to eat it is to minimize harm in circumstances where the cost to you is low. That's why you are obligated to save a baby drowning in an inch puddle of water.
Anonymous No.213669102 >>213669199 >>213669206 >>213669339
>>213669060
>The reason not to eat it is to minimize harm in circumstances where the cost to you is low
This seems arbitrary. By what right do you simply make this statement and demand that I follow it? What axioms is it founded on? How do you measure the heigh and lowness of a cost in comparison to the action you would demand I take?
>That's why you are obligated to save a baby drowning in an inch puddle of water.
No, that's because we are all created in the image of God. Animals are not. God has allowed the eating of animals ever since He made a covenant with Noah.
Anonymous No.213669144 >>213669176
>>213669001
Because it's one of the forerunners of snark culture: never engage with anything on a deep level, settle for vain platitudes ("it takes more strength to be more moderate in your addiction than to go cold turkey" - an addict), and make the other guy look le silly instead. It's kid stuff. You see it everywhere on this board. The roots of late 90s/early 00s American pop culture run so deep on this board and the internet in general everyone talks like they're on the set of The Simpsons.
Anonymous No.213669176 >>213669233
>>213669144
Well if eating meat is an 8-year-old boy, and veganism is my penis...
Anonymous No.213669199
>>213669102
This is the starting axiom.
>How do you measure the heigh and lowness of a cost in comparison
We can sort the costs by whether they're harmful (high), take an extremely long time (high), slightly inconveniencing (low), take a very short amount of time (low), and so on.
>No, that's because we are all created in the image of God. Animals are not
Animals have emotions and can experience pain and suffering so they have at least some aspect of God contained within them which rocks and such do not. They might not be as close to God as humans are, but they're still sufficiently close to warrant being treated with respect. There's something deeply unholy about a person who abuses their own pet dog. If we can avoid causing them harm without needing to suffer a great deal, then we should.
Anonymous No.213669206 >>213669279
>>213669102
>No, that's because we are all created in the image of God. Animals are not
>has no idea about the long history of Christian vegetarianism

Genesis 1:29-30. Retard. I hate faggots like you try to feign this smart-sounding reddit language (axioms, sir? axioms? where are your axioms???) but don't know shit about shit
Anonymous No.213669233
>>213669176
>mind immediately defaults to child molestation
Fucking pottery, kek.
Anonymous No.213669239 >>213669267
I eat more meat than entire families put together, drink a gallon of raw milk and a dozen minimum chicken/duck eggs on a daily basis. I'm more in tune with nature and the suffering of this reality than any pathetic vegan. Human digestive systems are not designed for plants and any vegan that believes so is going to live in ze podz und be happy. Veganism is a globalist ploy to reduce the collective health of humanity and after I've died in the woods with my brains crashed against a tree because a Bigfoot (a hypercarnivore just like us btw) didn't like me hunting on their turf I don't plan on reincarnating back into the hell hole the powers that be have planned for the 5% of humanity that survive the coming global cull.

Aajonus Vonderplanitz showed the truth about human diets, the Maunder minimum shows the lies of climate change and Klaus Schwab is a homosexual Jew acting on behalf of Reptilians that laugh as you faggots do their work for them like good livestock.
Anonymous No.213669267 >>213669296
>>213669239
>muh Schwab, muj wef, muh globalism
Develop a personality
Anonymous No.213669279 >>213669303
>>213669206
Genesis 9:1-3
>Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, β€œBe fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
Anonymous No.213669296
>>213669267
Develop a human body that can hunt without tools and doesn't lead to saggy breasts in women and premature death due to malnourishment.
Anonymous No.213669303 >>213669325 >>213669339
>>213669279
Yeah, that is spoken after the Fall you fucking imbecile. Meat eating and predation are symptoms of spiritual corruption.
Anonymous No.213669325 >>213669344
>>213669303
The only thing spiritual about a diet that restricts meat is that your body is less bound to this plane, because it's on the way to become a spirit. Skip the process and just hang yourself already tranny vegan faggot
Anonymous No.213669339 >>213669381
>>213669303
You know it's really weird, like I told you all the way back here >>213669102
that God did this after His covenant with Noah and now you're acting like I'm the one who doesn't know that. Do you even read my posts?
Anonymous No.213669344
>>213669325
You're easy to provoke, just like a woman.
Anonymous No.213669381 >>213669443 >>213669506
>>213669339
Noah wasn't allowed back into the Garden you ingrate, hunger and toil are curses. Human beings devour the world to stave off their spiritual emptiness. How do you think the first Christian monks were able to survive in the wilderness with just some boiled vegetables and a few bites of bread every other day? Why is Adam's sin the sin of consumption and not fornication?
Anonymous No.213669443 >>213669493
>>213669381
Why are you arguing Jew stories and neglecting the most prominent anti vegan one? Cain's offering of the land was rejected over Abel's offering of his herd.
Anonymous No.213669493 >>213669563
>>213669443
That speaks more to what each brother was willing to part with than the eternal God's dietary preferences. The Gnostic interpretation which vilifies Abel and exalts Cain is closer to the truth.

>nooo you have to argue within my pre-established framework
Nah
Anonymous No.213669506
>>213669381
>Noah wasn't allowed back into the Garden you ingrate
Yeah, you can't be allowed back in a place you've never even been in :D
Anonymous No.213669563 >>213669655
>>213669493
Gnostics would understand that this reality is suffering and every aspect of death whether it be animal or plant plays into feeding the system of the Demiurge, the only way to do good is with a healthy body and as a filthy vegan you've already failed by not only neglecting your own bodies needs but promoting the malnourishment of others
Anonymous No.213669655 >>213669979
>>213669563
>Gnostics would have been modern TikTok fitness models, bro
I understand Gnosticism better than you.
Anonymous No.213669808 >>213669846
>>213660621 (OP)
Propaganda made by Jews for their goyslaves. Vegans are the gayest faggots around honestly and it's a joy knowing they're the same bootlicking livestock that took the vax
Anonymous No.213669842
>>213662403
>you have to grow your own food, else it's not ethical
>growth hormones are used (in the US), which is wrong
>meat is bad because people who eat meat also eat ultraprocessed food, which would be more healthy if said consumers merely ate ultraprocessed food and no meat
I heard vegans are more grouchy due to their diet.
Anonymous No.213669846 >>213669931
>>213669808
it's 2025 and you still haven't evolved out of your 2016 era scripts. sad.
Anonymous No.213669922
Awful lot of slave morality in this thread.
Anonymous No.213669931
>>213669846
>sad.
Speaking of 2016
Anonymous No.213669979 >>213670030 >>213670080
>>213669655
Dishonest deflection with no proper argumentation, a goyslave that doesn't even know the origin of intrusive thoughts lmao
Anonymous No.213670030
>>213669979
The only Gnostics worth the name were ascetics, neglecting your body's needs within reason is the first principle of asceticism. They had no fitness culture. They weren't interested in "doing good" but saving themselves. The health of the body was a means to an end, not unlike in Buddhism. And finally: Cathar and Manichaean vegetarianism. The Manichaean Elect were almost fruitarian.
Anonymous No.213670058 >>213670065
Vegans should just go to India if they want to see what their disgusting diet does in the long term. It's a disgusting testament to the human bodies resilience that they can 'live' on such garbage they call food and another reason why human life is not inherently of any value.
Anonymous No.213670065
>>213670058
On that note, carnis should stay in America.
Anonymous No.213670080
>>213669979
And they were elitists, not proselytisers. They weren't "promoting" anything.
Anonymous No.213670286
Guys, the laughably half-baked studies that show red meat is worse than sugar and junk food isn't convincing anyone. What do we do next to get people to stop eating human food?